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DragonFlyBSD 1.0 Released

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the made-by-a-famous-actor dept.

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eeg3 writes "One year after starting the project as a fork of the FreeBSD-4.x tree, the DragonFly Team is pleased to announce its 1.0 release. Check out the project's diary for a list of the improvements the project has implemented. Also, be sure to grab it from one of the mirrors."

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272 comments

Cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692463)

Sounds like good information

Re:Cool (0, Offtopic)

csplinter (734017) | about 10 years ago | (#9692471)

Ubelievle, im second... oh yea good article

Re:Cool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692517)

damn, I almost had first post, but then:

Call It A Night, Cowboy!

Slashdot only allows anonymous users to post 10 times per day (more or less, depending on moderation). A user from your IP has already shared his or her thoughts with us that many times. Take a breather, and come back and see us in 24 hours or so.

If you think this is unfair, please email posting@slashdot.org with your MD5'd IPID, which is CRAP. Let us know how many comments you think you've posted in the last 24 hours.

damn now I have nothing to do but cede the first and second posts to you and go get drunk. who's with me?

LIke a rier ov flobood CRIPPLING BOMBSHELL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692465)

first ps0t

But Gartner research just confirmed that BSD is... (-1, Offtopic)

aardwolf204 (630780) | about 10 years ago | (#9692466)

But Gartner research just confirmed that BSD is dieing.

Re:But Gartner research just confirmed that BSD is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692698)

netcraft confirms: gartner is dying

(not to mention run by complete fscking morons who couldn't analyse themselves out of a paper bag)

fp (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692469)

BSD dead

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692537)

YOU FAIL IT at both the fp and the dead. CLEARLY BSD is alive and well-not just alive, but spreading, reproducing, as if it had mated. Which OS it mated with is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692553)

Hrm... BSD has mated with itself, that's worse than dead.

DEAD AND DYING (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692479)

Why bother to release shit for a dead and dying OS? I mean, BSD is even worse off than Linsux, which is on life support itself...!

yay randombsd! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692481)

Where would we be without it?!

GNAA - BTW ..BSD IS DEAD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692487)

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Serious question: (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692488)

What was the reason behind this fork?

Re:Serious question: (5, Informative)

RupertJ (520598) | about 10 years ago | (#9692552)

IIRC, the DF team wanted to implement SMP in a different way and weren't happy with the over-complicated approach in parts of FreeBSD. They're also ripping out a fair bit of the Perl dependent stuff too.

Check the DF interview article for more info.

Re:Serious question: (3, Informative)

swb (14022) | about 10 years ago | (#9692607)

Isn't Perl supposed to be dropped from FreeBSD's base real soon now? AFAIK it wasn't supposed to be a permenant part of 5, and wasn't going to be necessary to build world.

For a project that wanted to get away from FreeBSD, the final diary entry shows at least two imports from FreeBSD.

I can't be critical of a group of people that release their own BSD in their spare time, but I guess I'm not seeing SMP as being important enough to fork an entire BSD system.

Re:Serious question: (3, Interesting)

RupertJ (520598) | about 10 years ago | (#9692699)

Totally agree on the SMP thing. I work with some seriously "into it" techies (including myself) who live and breathe Linux/OpenBSD/FreeBSD/Solaris/HP-UX/IRIX at both work and home. Not a single one of them has a personal box with more than one CPU. Maybe that's a European, or maybe even specifically UK trend for developer's own kit at home. Weird. Maybe others would like to chip in here.

As for the "two imports" thing, the only OSS project that I was aware of a serious initial temporary code-freeze on was when Theo forked NetBSD into OpenBSD and audited the lot. But that said, they're now using NetBSD's SMP code as a starting point. Not that that is a bad thing, by any stretch of the imagination.

With Perl being dropped from FreeBSD, what are they actually replacing it with? (I know very little about the FreeBSD project and it shows =).

RJ

Re:Serious question: (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692778)

I have a couple SMP boxes at home.

Once you use a dual cpu machine, you never want to go back to single cpu.

This is true whether you're using Windows 2000/XP or *BSD/Linux.

When running Windows 2000, misbehaving apps that would normally suck up 100% of cpu only consume 1/2 of available cpu power.

Only downside (and maybe this is good for the reason mentioned just now) is that most apps don't take advantage of multiple cpus yet.

Another comment I have is that hyperthreading and other pseudo-smp technologies are evolving--so SMP might become more important sooner than we think.

Re:Serious question: (1)

RupertJ (520598) | about 10 years ago | (#9692882)

Good points, and it could also be that quality multi-CPU hardware always seems to fetch a hefty price here in Blighty. I remember seeing a Sun Ultra 80 with 4 x 400MHz processors going for something like US$600 on eBay USA, whereas a dual 300MHz Ultra 60 went on the UK site for about equivalent $650. Before anyone jumps down my throat with quotations for a dual P4 Xeon, notice the first line included the word "quality".

I've just bought an HP Visualize Workstation from a place in the USA. In the UK, 400 (~US$750) would have got me a C3000 with FX2 graphics, 512MB RAM and a 9GB SCSI disk. For the same money in the USA I got a C3000, FX4, 1GB RAM, 76GB Disk, plus loads of extra accessories and software ... AND that includes insured airmail shipping to the UK.

And that's just a single CPU system!!!

Re:Serious question: (3, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | about 10 years ago | (#9693069)

"Only downside (and maybe this is good for the reason mentioned just now) is that most apps don't take advantage of multiple cpus yet."

It's still useful even when you don't have SMP software. If you have an app that's burnin all of one CPU up, you still have the other CPU available to do just about anything else. For example, I have a plugin for Lightwave that is a 3D renderer. It's not multi-threaded yet, so I couldn't make it go faster with both processors. So while that was rendering, I played a game of Quake. Q3 ran great, and the rendering still happened on time. Pretty slick.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9693237)

He already made that point.

You post too much on /. Go outside.

Re:Serious question: (2, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | about 10 years ago | (#9693109)

Once you use a dual cpu machine, you never want to go back to single cpu. This is true whether you're using Windows 2000/XP or *BSD/Linux.

Or OS X.

Budget constraints forced me to buy the least-possible PowerMac G5 for my home system last year, with only 1 CPU. The dual-G5 systems at the work place make me wish they paid me well enough to afford one ("two"?) myself.

Re:Serious question: (5, Informative)

bsd_usr (140514) | about 10 years ago | (#9692832)

They're dropping Perl from the base. Meaning that it won't be required in order to build the system. Also, it will be installed as a third party port (add-on software).

Actually, the 4.X branch still has Perl in the base system. The 4.X branch is where DFBSD forked from. The 5.X branch is where Perl was removed.

Before, there were quite a few "system" programs that were perl scripts. Those programs were rewritten as "C" programs in order to rid the dependency of Perl in the base system.

It's not a bad thing. A Unix OS really doesn't need Perl. And if you really do need it, you can easily install it via the ports system or via the package system. No biggie. Makes the base install smaller and neater.

Re:Serious question: (5, Informative)

m.dillon (147925) | about 10 years ago | (#9693031)

Well, price and power is also a downside, especially if you run the boxes 24x7. All of our dual-cpu boxes (primarily DELL-2550's and some old VALinux boxes [running FreeBSD or DragonFly]) eat power like there was no tomorrow. Our single-cpu AMD64 boxes, on the otherhand, are twice as fast (as both cpus in the dell put together) and eat half the power (or less).

In nearly all cases you will be paying a premium for a SMP box over a UP box, so much so that if space is not an issue for you, and you have no special requirements (e.g. big honking database app), it will be more cost and maintainance effective to buy two single-cpu boxes then one dual-cpu box.

What this means is that I, at least, am turning off the SMP boxes in my machines room as fast as I can migrate them to new, faster, and far cheaper UP boxes.

On the flip side, though, both Intel and AMD are moving to dual core (and power-pc has had quad cores for a long time), so a SMP-efficient kernel design is as important as ever. Within the next 5 years I believe that all consumer cpus will be dual-core at a minimum.

Now all one needs to be able to do is seemlessly cluster them together, which is precisely one of our long-term goals! (seemless != the current hacks you see on Linux currently).

-Matt

Re:Serious question: (4, Insightful)

MavEtJu (241979) | about 10 years ago | (#9693231)

A Unix OS really doesn't need Perl.

That was not the reason. The reason is that there is more than one Perl version out right now (5.0, 5.6, 5.8) and that different people need different versions. So to get rid of this, Perl is removed from the base-system and if you need whatever-version of perl, install it via the ports system. Much more flexible.

Edwin

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692876)

By next year, Intel, AMD, and IBM will all be shipping cheap multi-core CPUs. So SMP support will be very important.

Re:Serious question: (3, Insightful)

pyrrhonist (701154) | about 10 years ago | (#9693270)

Not a single one of them has a personal box with more than one CPU.

Does any of your friends have a CPU with Hyperthreading? That uses an SMP kernel, doesn't it?

Maybe others would like to chip in here.

Ha! I get it!

Re:Serious question: (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692810)

They're not "trying to get away from FreeBSD". They think FreeBSD 5 has taken the wrong direction in some areas. They consider DFly to be the logical continuation of the FreeBSD 4 tree.

Because they're aware of how high quality FreeBSD is, they're very comfortable taking lots of code (drivers, etc) that would be impossible for such a small team to write/maintain. All they have to do is modify the code to work with their kernel modifications.

In addition to their kernel changes, they plan on (eventually) having a "better" ports system, with support for things like multiple versions installed concurrently, and selectable with variant symlinks.

Really, there's a lot more to Dfly than just improved SMP. Take the time to peruse the site and mailing list archives to learn more.

Re:Serious question: (4, Informative)

aanantha (186040) | about 10 years ago | (#9693228)

SMP will be mainstream very soon. You already need SMP support to use Hyperthreading/SMT. All recent Pentium 4's are 2-way hyperthreaded: so 2 logical processors. 2 sets of registers with shared functional units and cache.

Intel and AMD will be coming out with dual core CPUs by the end of next year: 2 CPUs in one chip with a very speed interconnect between the two. A dual CPU configuration is often faster than a single CPU that's twice as fast. (On the other hand, Hyperthreading gives a measly 30% at most). A dual core Pentium series processor would have 2 real processors each with 2 logical processors: so a quad processor. Once all new computers have at least 2 processors in them, the operating systems that can utilize them effectively will be have a significant advantage.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9693302)

> They're also ripping out a fair bit of the Perl
> dependent stuff too

ALWAYS a great thing thing to hear!!

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692557)

Too much beer and nothing better to do.

That's a totally serious and honest answer, by the way.

Re:Serious question: (5, Informative)

Bloody Pulp (101306) | about 10 years ago | (#9692628)

DragonFlyBSD project is intended to take over development of the FreeBSD 4.X branch. Using a different method SMP and rewrite of packaging system.

Check out the original announcement of DragonFlyBSD on the FreeBSD stable list:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stabl e/ 2003-July/002183.html

Re:Serious question: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692683)

Well, FreeBSD 5.X also take over development of the FreeBSD 4.X branch. They just don't do it the same way.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692691)

There probably is no good reason for this fork. Open source is great, but it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of real progress in open source software. If you don't like something people are compelled to start their own works instead of compromising and moving on. Linux is starting to look more like Unix in its development. I personally think it will splinter and die because it doesn't seem like people can suck it up and move on together. Instead everyone tries to be the hero and go lone wolf in aims of emulating Linus.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692750)

The answer to that question is fast turning into legend, just like the V6 Unix add-on package that became BSD, the 386BSD patchkit that became FreeBSD, de Raadt's fork of NetBSD... You may ask, but you will never truly understand until you run a BSD.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692887)

It was questionable whether FreeBSD was going to die or not, so they had to have a major developer purge.

Re:Serious question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692941)

Simple BSD == Fragmentation. The more fragmented the BSDs become, the better it makes the Linux camp look.

Diary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692489)

wtb changelog

diary just sounds so.....blog

Thats funny... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692499)

I thought BSD already had a fork stuck in it!

Re:Thats funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692631)

oh come on mods, thats a funny joke (yeah stupid humor), but it made me laugh after seeing all those lame BSD is * posts.

BSD is NOT dying! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692513)

It has been dead for some time now!
Netcraft Confirms!

hmm. (1)

Joshsmac (791309) | about 10 years ago | (#9692518)

Am I under the impression there is no PPC port of this. Pitty.... And for all you damn BSD is dying slashdotters, enough! It's OLD and it needs to die XD

Does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692522)

Yeah, I would like to go back to a BSD variant if I can run vmware and crossover. Otherwise, I will have to stick with Gentoo. I miss the daemon on the desktop.

Re:Does it run Linux? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692595)

Yeah, I would like to go back to a BSD variant if I can run vmware and crossover.
FreeBSD supports Linux emulation, so in a word, yes.

Re:Does it run Linux? (1)

RLiegh (247921) | about 10 years ago | (#9692644)

Emulating linux, and running linux kernel modules are not the same thing, as anyone who has fought to use vmware under NetBSD (a 50/50 proposistion) can tell you.

Re:Does it run Linux? (1)

DashEvil (645963) | about 10 years ago | (#9692714)

/usr/ports/emulators/vmware-tools4

Re:Does it run Linux? (3, Interesting)

kardar (636122) | about 10 years ago | (#9693251)

FreeBSD (I am using 4.10) has a Gentoo "stage 1" port, actually.

There is a directory called /usr/compat/linux, under which you have all the usual /usr (that would be /usr/compat/linux/usr/, if you know what I mean) and /bin and /lib, and so on...

so you... "chroot" into /usr/compat/linux and then you can "make system" or whatevever. It's not bad.

The default is a Red Hat - I have what is essentially a basic Red Hat 9.0 system on my FreeBSD machine, there is also a port for Debian Stable.

So you can do vmware for Linux, or you can do vmware for FreeBSD, just like you can do Mozilla for Linux, or any other app for Linux. I imagine you could install portage under /usr/compat/linux/usr/portage by chrooting into /usr/compat/linux and emerging sync, and then emerge whatever you want - as long as you are chrooted, it should work (I haven't tried it). So everything you emerge should be done while you are chrooted into /usr/compat/linux - if I understand this correctly -- however, the Gentoo port, the Gentoo FreeBSD port, under /usr/ports/emulators/, would be installed like any other FreeBSD port - and actually, there are many FreeBSD "Linux" ports that can be installed automatically from the FreeBSD ports system, no chrooting or anything required. The chrooting would be if you wanted to leave FreeBSD behind and enter into Linux land - apparently this works, but I haven't tried it. Everything I have needed to install that is a Linux binary has been available as a FreeBSD port.

Another cool thing is that you can apparently upgrade from FreeBSD 4.9 and above to Dragonfly BSD, which is something I will probably be doing at some point in the future.

Sounds cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692523)

I currently use Linux on most of my computers.. but I don't mind FreeBSD at all. I think DragonFly has the capability of becoming "the" BSD, except that right now it seems like the team is pretty small compared to FreeBSD's. I do, however, really like some of their ideas and think that they know what they're doing. I think I'm going to try this out on my laptop. I installed Windows XP on it a week ago and I miss FreeBSD already... FreeBSD *worked* properly...

Re:Sounds cool (3, Interesting)

eeg3 (785382) | about 10 years ago | (#9692700)

Although their team [dragonflybsd.org] is small, it's compiled with very competent and capable developers such as Jeffrey Hsu and Matt Dillon, among others.

Also, a small commit team helps get things done at a faster rate, whereas it's not so hard to get things added.

Ok, now THAT is impressive ... (-1, Offtopic)

Jahf (21968) | about 10 years ago | (#9692535)

10 minutes after posting and there are 14 replies ... none of which have a score over 0 :)

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692539)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692973)

Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article [internetnews.com] , Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election. [freebsd.org]
You can read more about FreeBSD here [freebsd.org]

If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD [freebsd.org] , OpenBSD [openbsd.org] , NetBSD [netbsd.org] , or DragonflyBSD [dragonflybsd.org]
Enjoy!

RED INK FLOWS LIKE A RIVER OF BLOOD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692547)

omg!!!!!!!11 BSD am teh dead!!!

And we care... why? (1, Redundant)

LostCluster (625375) | about 10 years ago | (#9692550)

For those of us hearing about this fork for the first time, could somebody explain what these people felt was so wrong about the FreeBSD tree that they decided to go off on their own?

Or, to put it another way... what's the diference between DragonFlyBSD and FreeBSD?

Re:And we care... why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692589)

mod -1 redundant, this same question has already been asked by an earlier post.

FreeBSD 5 (5, Informative)

CaptainPinko (753849) | about 10 years ago | (#9692593)

They felt that the approach the FreeBSD was taking for FreeBSD 5 was going in the wrong direction. I believe they hada problem with all the Mutexs or something specific like that. The main focus of DragonflyBSD is scalability and clustering. The are hoping to have SIS (Single Image Systems) as a priority. It won't be hear anytime son but thats a long term goal. OSNews has had some stuff on them over that last while. Here is the thread http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=7660 and here is the torrent I used http://download.exodusmachine.net/torrents/dfly-1. 0REL.iso.gz.torrent . Let me be the first to say: I for one welcome our new Dragonflu overlords! http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/mascot.cgi

Re:And we care... why? (3, Informative)

Teckla (630646) | about 10 years ago | (#9692605)

For those of us hearing about this fork for the first time, could somebody explain what these people felt was so wrong about the FreeBSD tree that they decided to go off on their own? Or, to put it another way... what's the diference between DragonFlyBSD and FreeBSD?

With all due respect, they answer your questions right on their home page! RTFHTML!

Re:And we care... why? (1)

Joshsmac (791309) | about 10 years ago | (#9692606)

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/dragonf ly_bsd_interview.html Theres the interview, you should be able to find out why. Something about not liking the way FreeBSD was going on SMP supposedly.

Re:And we care... why? (4, Informative)

eeg3 (785382) | about 10 years ago | (#9692635)

Quoting Matt Dillon, the project creator:

However, while committer relations have always been an issue, DragonFly split off from FreeBSD-5 over major architectural differences, not anything else. We really do feel that FreeBSD-5 is taking the wrong approach to SMP and building something that is so complex that it will ultimately not be maintainable. We think we have a better way.

You can find more information if you actually visit the project homepage [dragonflybsd.org] , or read a fairly recent ONLamp.com interview [onlamp.com] with the developers.

MOD PARENT DOWN = LOSTCLUSTER IS MULTIUSER ACCT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692677)

BUNCHA KARMAWHORES!11~`1

What We Can Learn From *BSD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692566)

What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore [slashdot.org] , Version 1.0

Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents [theos.com] on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT [mit.edu] found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study. [rice.edu]

Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar [tuxedo.org] , rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

Awesome feature set (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692586)

DragonFly is rotting in the grave

BSD is deader than Ronald Reagan

FIRST P0zt

Netcraft confirms it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692618)

I'm gonna kill the other Anonymous Cowards.

Packages? (4, Interesting)

RLiegh (247921) | about 10 years ago | (#9692619)

What is the ports/packages situation look like for Dragonfly? Have they ported the old ones over, or is their selection severely limited?

Re:Packages? (3, Informative)

eeg3 (785382) | about 10 years ago | (#9692662)

Quoting Matt Dillon, the project creator:

We have been in rigorous discussion over what kind of ports/packaging system we want to have. We have already agreed that the core ports/packaging system visible to end-users should be a binary system rather then a source build system. This isn't to say that sources would not be made available for customization purposes, just that most users just want to get a port/package installed as quickly as possible. While the BSD ports/packaging system does have a binary install capability it is insufficient for our needs.

The other thing we've decided on is to give the ports/packaging system the ability to isolate installations. One of the biggest problems one has maintaining a large multi-use system is when upgrading a package for one particular subsystem. Upgrades to the packages for one subsystem can interfere with packages already installed for another, and sysops cannot afford to have upgrades break unrelated subsystems. So, for example, we want there to be isolation between the packages associated with, say, the mail subsystem, and packages associated with, say, a workstation user. The two subsystems might install the same package or might install different versions of the same package... we want that to work.


Also... in response to whether they might use pkgsrc, he replies...

We are considering everything. Nothing is set in stone yet.

Re:Packages? (4, Informative)

m.dillon (147925) | about 10 years ago | (#9692692)

It's a big hack at the moment... we have an override system that runs on top of FreeBSD ports to try to keep the more interesting ports operational.

The DragonFly team has been discussing what ports/packages system to move to (or to build one) that supports our requirements. We've investigated several existing packaging systems so far and are right now investigating OpenPkg (www.openpkg.org), as it has the multi-instance support that is an absolute requirement for us.

Keep in mind that the DragonFly *USERLAND* is still primarily FreeBSD-4.xish (though with all the C99 stuff from FreeBSD-5 integrated), so anything that runs on 4.x will run on DFly with only minor tweaking.

-Matt

Re: It's a big hack at the moment!!! (0, Flamebait)

CaptainPinko (753849) | about 10 years ago | (#9693037)

See this really raises a serious question for me about your project. What I like about the *BSD's is that they are integrated OS with their port trees or whatever as opposed to Linux being just a bunch of package thrown on top of a kernel. Well how can you justify a 1.0 release when even you admit that your port system is a hack and you're not even sure what you want to do with it? Seems like jumping the gun a little? I don't mean to troll but I'm sincerely interested.

Anyways best of luck in the future.

Re: It's a big hack at the moment!!! (1)

Garin (26873) | about 10 years ago | (#9693306)

I think you're going too far with what the OS is all about.

The integrated OS concept is more about all the base utilities and such being all part of the release. Your bootscripts are xBSD bootscripts. Your /bin/foo is xBSD's /bin/foo. Your kernel is the xBSD version kernel. The core system is a fully-functioning ready-to-go operating system.

This contrasts with Linux because Linux is just the kernel. You build your own ls, your own tar, your own bootscripts, your own login systems and password checkers, etc.

The ports tree is above and beyond all of that. Any properly (for my particular version of "properly") configured production FreeBSD server will definitely NOT contain the ports tree, for example. It will have the base FreeBSD operating system plus exactly the installed packages that it requires to do its job properly. Nothing more.

Re:Packages? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692765)

I'll show you my package, baby.

Re:Packages? (1)

XeRXeS-TCN (788834) | about 10 years ago | (#9692767)

From their downloads page on the site:

GoBSD.com, a BSD-centric community website, is providing access to thousands of pre-built DragonFly software packages. These can be added via pkg_add -r packagename.

From a quick cursory glance at the site, it looks like there are more than enough packages sitting around to be getting on with, you shouldn't be left with nothing to use if you don't want to.

And there's always the option of compiling from source...

Examining this FreeBSD train wreck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692633)

Open Letter to FreeBSD Core

I've been an avid follower of the developments in FreeBSD for around 5 years now, so my overview of the entire history of "glue that binds" FreeBSD together isn't complete. That said, I've come to be a bit disappointed at how events in the last 18 months or so seem to be pushing the project in a direction that has made things more difficult, instead of more successful, that has shown distain for experience and quality and made FreeBSD a platform for large ego's to push their personal projects down everyone's throat.

The statistics sample from 2001 over a year was a cheap attempt to minimize Matt Dillon's contribution to the project. The reason why he has been mostly silent is probably one of the most prominent signs of his superior maturity. The fact that the official defense (mostly fronted by Greg, atm) he wasn't such a substantial committer is crap, for the most part. If one wanted to go by the stats, Jeff Robertson (sorry if I munged the spelling) would be one of the key committers, and his UMA system isn't even entirely ripe yet, it's just been committed within the sample timeframe. That suddenly phk is at the top of the list, is simple a result of his newest attempt to add another large chunk of bit rot to the project that he can later claim not to have time to maintain "unless someone is willing to pay for my time" (like the atm bits, the half-finished devd monster, et.al.) One can hardly get him to look at his malloc bits, that put his name in lights at some point in the long past.

Matt didn't contribute because he was convinced that that the smp development direction that was chosen (my impression at least from the archives and my fading memory) was overly complex, too complex for the number and talent level of the contributers involved, and that it would delay a release from the -current branch significantly. So he was right. I'll almost bet that that was a constant sore for John, who still hasn't gotten his long-promised, but little delivered re-entrant work done, but he always had time enough to object to any other commits that might help along the way. Strangely Julian and Matt could work together. One might attribute certain commits to both Matt and Julian (if that would matter anyway, since -core is interested in proving the opposite statistically).

If the issue here had anything to do with IPFW, then you all better get out your C-coder hats and take a little more time to fix that rotting pile of muck that has been the standard broken packet filter interface for FreeBSD long past its possible usefulness. A packet filter with no central maintainer which is subject to once yearly random feature bloat through some wild university project from Luigi. The brokenness that Luigi introduced (and the repository bloat through backing out and recommitting, ad absurdum) was probably no less a threat to security than anything Matt did. If the security officer was to be blatantly honest with himself, ipfw would be marked broken for either a full audit or full removal (just port obsd's pf or something that someone actually actively _cares_ about).

You've alienated Jordan, Mike, Bill Paul (for all I can see), Greenman, you constantly rag on Terry, even though he's seen and done more with FreeBSD than most of you, O'Brien is on the verge of quitting (since he, like I, am not convinced that GEOM is anything more than an ego trip that will never be completely maintained or usefully documented). There are certainly others, too, that have attempted to make technically correct contributions, but didn't fit into the sort of paranoid "glee club" that core would like to have around them. You guys lack the talent to steer the positive from Matt into the project and let the crap fall by the wayside. I'm not saying Matt's rants are the most intelligent thing he's done, but he's sat by the wayside and watch the superstars beat up the code to a point where it's less stable, slower, and more bloated than it ever was. I, for one, can understand his frustration (as I can with Mike's, Jordan's, and a few others), although I find his method of expressing it extreme, I often wished he'd have just visited the offenders personally with a clue bat.

All in all, history will judge if -core has made the right decision. I personally believe it was a decision made in weakness. The loss the project as a whole will suffer is greater than the bruised ego's the -core has had to deal with in its communications with Matt. Matt was an extremist, but he put up or shut up. I wish I could say that for most of -core. This is a personality confict in a technical project. I'd say that most of you take this just as personally as Matt did, but instead of insulting him in a moment of anger, you shoot off your own respective feet, lose a good deal of experience and embarass the man publicly. You talk the talk of respect, but you aren't walking the walk. I'd say most of you need thicker skin. In the end, FreeBSD folk will walk smiling though the streets, but the project will become a cult of likeable people, instead of one that achieved technical excellence. That will, imho, be what history says of the current -core. Hint: lose the touchy-feely, hack the code.

PS: if I've offended anyone (yeah, I singled a few out), prove me wrong, but spare me your insultedness. It's become a pathetic hobby in -core.

Re:Examining this FreeBSD train wreck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692798)

Thanks for keeping us informed Matt!

Very interesting read indeed!

Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692639)

Isn't it funny how Slashdot is ignoring the fact that Red Hat's CFO quit, AND that they are restating their earning for the past three years AND that the SEC is now investigating them?

If MSFT had done the same thing, it would be splashed all over the place, but when Red Hat delves in financial misdoings, they just bury it. What a bunch of hypocrites.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040713/tech_redhat_3.htm l

*BSD = MORE DEAD THAN MARY-KATE OLSEN! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692655)

Both died of a drug overdose.

RED HAT FINANCIAL SCANDAL COVERED BY SLASHDOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692657)

Red Hat is in the toilet. Serious Enron action. Yet Slashdot fails to report.

New BSD distros... (2, Interesting)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | about 10 years ago | (#9692664)

Deserve their own slashdot icon. Give this thing 3 months, and if they're still around, do the right thing Taco.

Oh my god (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692679)

When will the "*BSD IS DEAD" posts stop?

When I read the article, I thought "Okay, I'm guessing the first 10 posts are *BSD IS DEAD" and yeah, I was right.

I mean, come on. They are instantly modded down, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you can gain karma from them (even though 99% of all "BSD IS DEAD" posts are from AC's).

Get a life folks

Obscure Fawlty Towers reference.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692680)

fish wife!....flying tart! no, no! It got off to a flying START, and it's name...

was DragonFly!

Re:Obscure Fawlty Towers reference.... (1)

0racle (667029) | about 10 years ago | (#9693327)

Now now now, O'Reilly, no need to post anonymously. You're gonna have that gnome inserted into you either way.

unhelpful FAQ (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692690)

Forbidden [dragonflybsd.org]
You don't have permission to access /main/FAQ.cgi on this server.

test (-1, Offtopic)

fucktard657 (796336) | about 10 years ago | (#9692693)

SCO acquires a new business partner - GNAA

Darl here, with another fine Fr1st P0st. After all -- SCO did everything first, and the rest of the responses to this story will owe their heritage to a foundation built on SCO's staff of talented programmers.

You may be wondering why SCO salesmen are not answering your numerous calls while you try to order more SCO licenses. Well, we aren't answering the phones because we're too busy celebrating our newest business partner. Rather than explaining it myself, I'll let our formal press release do the talking. Take it away, Mr. Reuters...

LINDON, Utah, Sept. 8/PRNewswire - FirstCall/ -- The SCO Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SCOX [yahoo.com] - News [yahoo.com] ), the owner and licensor of the core UNIX operating system source code, today announced its second Fortune 500 clent for the SCO Linux IP license, the GNAA (Nasdaq: RHAT [yahoo.com] - News [yahoo.com] ), developer of fine Slashdot trolls on irc.efnet.net #GNAA, also well-known for revolutionizing small business development with its "Step 2: ??????" profit model. The availability of the SCO Intellectual Property License for Linux affords Linux deployments to come into compliance with international law for the use of all 2.4 and future kernels. The run-time license permits the use of SCO's intellectual property, in binary form only, as contained in Linux distributions.

By purchasing a SCO Intellectual Property License, customers avoid infringement of SCO's intellectual property rights in Linux 2.4 and Linux 2.5 kernels and assure Darl financial security for the purchase of his second home. Because the SCO license authorizes run-time use only, customers also comply with the General Public License, under which Linux is distributed. Source may still be distributed under the terms of the GPL, however source distributors are held accountable for all violation of SCO's IP. Indemnification is provided for customers of runtime clients only. Read that twice, dirty hippy. You're not in the clear yet.

GNAA spokesperson penisbird said of the licensure, "coming into compliance affords us a new competitive advantage with the other Slashdot authors. By being in the right, we can thumb down our noses at not only the Windows users and the BSD-thieving Mac Users, but also the unwashed Linux hippies running stolen code on their parents' PCs." VP of anus enlargement goat-see added, "fr1st p0st? damn i miss. how do i next story?"

Mr. Darl McBride concurred with GNAA's analysis, adding "We soon hope to convince additional clients such as Trollklore and Cabal of Logged In Trolls of the benefits of licensing SCO's valuable IP. Also, I <3 GNAA bunny. (@.@)" JesuitX clarified the nature of the SCO and GNAA alliance, adding "We're more than just a licensing client. We're also going to be helping to bring these other potential licensors into compliance. We can break them in little by little as paying sublicensors. The alternative is pretty horrible. Our lawyers can take a reticent client from virgin to hello.jpg [figure 2 [yahoo.com] ] in under an hour, and believe me -- it is not pleasant."

Commander Taco was unavailable for comment, however Cowboy Kneel was said to ask for a print of [figure 2] for his basement apartment. Simoniker remained British and unable to spell "color," while Timothy responded by posting the same story six times, and Hemos reposted a seventh time, the submission differing only from his application of that damned Einstein icon.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

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dem bones dem dry bones (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692694)

When I think about FreeBSD, I'm reminded of
DeForest Kelley's great observation:
It's dead, Jim.

omg, that was amazingly fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692703)

Once again, the small fast moving team blazes ahead.

Six Syllable Names Suck (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692707)

The logo looks neat but the name is way too long to pronouce in conversation.

Maybe they could name it Firebird. Oh wait...

SLASHDOT = *BSD = DYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692726)

Hey, lets all do a news submission and post ascii goatse in the "The Scoop" field! Here's some goatse now!

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BSD (1)

mboverload (657893) | about 10 years ago | (#9692731)

BSD is still dead.

SUBMIT SOME GOATSEMAN! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692757)


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Netcraft confirms it... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692774)

It's not even worthy [netcraft.com] of hosting their web site.

Looks like Netcraft confirms... that it's ALIVE (1)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | about 10 years ago | (#9693114)

I'm not sure why you posted that link... according to that page, dragonflybsd.org is running FreeBSD. Dragonfly BSD is a fork of FreeBSD.

Question - is it possible that a Dragonfly BSD installation would report itself as a FreeBSD installation, since that's what it forked off of? If so, Dragonfly BSD is not dead. And regardless, BSD in general is far from dead. I'll bet the trolls that post "BSD is dead" all the time are running BSD themselves.

BSD's FEEDING TUBE REINSERTED! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692788)

July 13 -- BSD resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.

"IF IT'S over a year, BSD's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just don't see it. It just doesn't happen."

BSD, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding tube in BSD's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband, Theo the Rat, who said his wife had told him she (BSD) would not want to be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (BSD) could die.

Intriguing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692792)

I wonder if the new installer is much better than freebsd's sysinstall. If it is, it might be nice if FreeBSD filched the source code (along with a number of other Dragonfly tweaks).

Is it dead? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692837)

Or is it whack?

Joak! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692847)

CmdrTaco comes to the pharmacy and asks for a vial of
cyanide. The pharmacist, trying to keep up a professional
posture, asks the customer what he might need it for.

"Oh" says taco, "I want to poison my wife".

"I am sorry Sir," says the pharmacist "but you will have to
understand, that under these circumstances, it is
impossible for me to sell you the cyanide."
CmdrTaco reaches in to his wallet and pulls out a picture of
his wife and quietly lays it on the sales counter.

The pharmacist blushes and politely remarks "I'm sorry Sir,
I didn't realize you had a prescription".

I thank you!

Fentz in tha mutha-grabbin' hizzouse!!!!!!

Poem for BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692853)

I think I shall never see
a tree as dead as BSD

Obligatory Letterman Quote (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692865)

"While you guys were down here talking, we were upstairs having hot buttered corn".

HeHE!

Elegy for *BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9692932)


Elegy For *BSD


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave,
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.

Rocky-Road Icecream is DEAD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9693018)

Everyone knows that Orange Sherbert icecream is better than Rocky-Road icecream.
You can ask anyone who works in an icecream shop, everyone wants Orange Sherbert!
If you eat Rocky-Road icecream, then you are a necropheliac because Rocky-Road icecream is dead!
Everyone knows that Orange Sherbert icecream is superior. Rocky-Road icecream eaters a re morons.
Even the people who make Rocky-Road icecream know that their days are numbered. They don't sell as much icecream as the Orange Sherbert icecream makers.

Any visible userland differences (2, Interesting)

beforewisdom (729725) | about 10 years ago | (#9693038)

Does Dragonfly offer any visible differences to the casual end user?

Re:Any visible userland differences (1)

CaptainPinko (753849) | about 10 years ago | (#9693095)

Read Matt Dillion's post. Most of the userland *IS* FreeBSD and most of the improvements are geared toward SMP.

The beat of a different drummer (1)

stox (131684) | about 10 years ago | (#9693247)

Congratulations to the Dragonfly team! Instead of continously whining and moaning, they are speaking their opinion with what really matters: hard work and code. It will be interesting to see how well it continues to develope and evolve.
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