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Derek Smart Lusting Rights To Freespace?

simoniker posted more than 9 years ago | from the infamous dept.

PC Games (Games) 95

WMCoolmon writes "Derek Smart (of Battlecruiser 3000 AD PC space-sim fame) has started a thread on the Adrenaline Vault forums stating that he is looking into buying the Freespace rights from Interplay and building his own Freespace 3. (For those of you who have not heard of Freespace, it is a space shooter developed by Volition Inc. and Interplay in 1998, which has received almost univeral acclaim.) Discussion has turned particularly ugly following Derek Smart's post on the main Freespace 2 fan site. In addition, he has threatened to shut down the Ferrium Project (an open-source project meant to replace the aging engine of Freespace 2) if he gets the license. To quote Derek: 'I have FULL intentions of getting this license. If I DO get it, you and your teenny leetle friends on your Ferrous Oxide project, are effectively, shutdown because I don't piss around when it comes to IP properties'."

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Go Derek, It's your Birthday! (2, Funny)

antigrimace (683222) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723652)

Just give'er Derek. It is your time to shine. Lets see a AAA title based on the FS Univers, that would rock!

Re:Go Derek, It's your Birthday! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9723784)

Haha...hahaha. Derek Smart. Is there ANYONE who takes this guy seriously anymore? He's lied about having a PhD, he launches constant empty threats to sue against anyone who he feels MIGHT be insulting him, etc etc. The guy is an incompetent shithead.

Re:Go Derek, It's your Birthday! (3, Funny)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723838)

Hello. I am Derek Smart. The papers are on their way.

From his forum - He is supreme Cmdr. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723843)

The next fool to attempt a thread hijacking with something that has *nothing* to do with the subject - even if its just one line - will be banned without warning.

I don't effing care if you buy the game, today, tomorrow, next week, one year later or ever. Just don't tell me about it. What you do with your gaming dollars is your goddamn problem; not mine.

[ 06-13-2004, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

FROM: http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_t opic;f=35;t=000001;p=2

Re:From his forum - He is supreme Cmdr. (3, Insightful)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725361)

He sued a site that gave BC3000 a bad review, and threatened to sue SomethingAwful for saying he was arrested for bank fraud.

I did not think it was possible. (5, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723654)

I didn't think it was possible, but he is worse than Theo (OpenBSD).

My goodness, he appears to have a chip on his sholder about 1000 miles wide and IIRC didn't it take years for BC 3000 AD to be patched enough to have the features listed on the back of the box?

"Dr" Smart, The destroyer of all that is good (1)

battered sav (797706) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723996)

NOOOOOOOO!!!!! his going to f$%k my favorite game!!!!! what a f!@king d@#k head!!!!!! If he goes though with it, im going to the US, go to a gun shop to buy a gun to "protect myself", find "Dr" Smart and use my new gun to "protect" the earth from what he could do to Freespace.

Re:I did not think it was possible. (2, Informative)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724200)

i actually bought BC3000AD and attempted to play it... the key word here is attempted, i even tried with all the most recent patches, it simply isn't playable and the manual seems to be talking about a different game half the time, the other half its talking about how cool something is.

if the guy that made BC3000AD is making Freespace 3, then may god help us all, prefereably by having somebody put a contract out on this Derek Smart

Derek Smart's DESKTOP COMMANDER!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9723676)

Extremely funny video made by SomethingAwful. The two relevant movies are at the bottom of the list.

Linkage [somethingawful.com]

Re:Derek Smart's DESKTOP COMMANDER!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9723710)

derek smart derek smart DEREK SMART

Re:Derek Smart's DESKTOP COMMANDER!!! (2)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723780)

If this were any normal asshole, that video would be terrible.

But because it's this guy, it's frickin' hilarious.

A review of BC 3k AD (2.6 out of 10.0) (5, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723694)

When Battlecruiser 3000 A.D. is dead and gone (and within a week of release it was on a fast track to oblivion), one question will linger: Could it have been a good game?

Was its creator's dreams and promises of a realistic, dynamic game universe where you could roam at will in a large ship, finding adventure, managing a complex crew, conducting ground warfare, and engaging in space combat, ever for real? Or were they just wishes sculpted in Jell-o?

We will probably never know. Battlecruiser 3000 A.D. is now out, and as one of the games with the longest development periods in computer history (seven years), it will go down in legend as the most bug-ridden, unstable, unplayable pieces of software ever released. (And, yes, I'm counting Falcon 3.0 and Patriot.) Who exactly is to blame is a subject for another time and place, but it is sufficient to point out that Dr. Derek Smart said a year ago that the game was "done except for the manual" and turned in his code to Take 2, who were supposed to test and refine this code graphically and then publish it. Neither of them is immune from culpability in this farce. Maybe they deserve each other.

Battlecruiser 3000 A.D. was planned as a universe simulator, without any real gameplay in the conventional sense, just a world to explore in a large starship that carried several smaller, faster fighter craft. Realizing that this was an unfulfilling structure for a game, the developers added a mission-based campaign, so that you actually have objectives and some sort of narrative. In the end, BC3K shipped with three modes of play: "Xtreme Carnage" is a jump-in action mode, Advanced Campaign Mode is a series of linked missions, and Free Flight is the free-range storyless mode in which you wander the galaxy looking for trouble.

According to the hype, BC3K offers an exciting array of new features. With a set of systems - including a bridge view, a tacops screen, a navigation mode, and various screens which process and provide information - you can travel to different star systems, scan planet surfaces, send out shuttles and fighter craft, interact with aliens and distant empires, and conduct landing missions and ground combat with jet-pack-equipped space marines.

Well, that was the plan. Little of it actually works, however. First, the game crashes constantly, more than any game I have ever played. Almost any action you perform will cause the program to go south. I didn't know what half the functions were or how to use them. Most of them don't work: going into orbit around a planet, using jump points, navigating to distant star systems, docking, and so on; the list is long. Objects pass through other objects. Ships don't do what they're told. Equipment won't work. I won't even go into the alleged ground combat mode because I couldn't make heads or tails of it, never got it to work, and haven't been able to find anyone who can even tell me if it's even in the game or not. Best of all, the campaign can't be played past the second mission, which is structured in such a way that it cannot possibly ever end.

All of this is made a thousand times worse by a manual that is more like an un-manual. If I fed my dog a set of Scrabble tiles he could have crapped a better manual. Online information only clouds the issue, with a long, rambling set of designer notes from Derek Smart that make him look like a charter member of the Jodie Foster Fan Club (John Hinkley Chapter). Take 2 is promising a replacement manual (as well as extensive bug fixes) for all registered users some time soon, but by then it will be too late. Right out of the box BC3K is the single most impenetrable game since Patriot.

The whole debacle is only aggravated by a core design that, even if properly documented and tested, was flawed from the outset. There is too much going on in too many places, and none of it is well-crafted. A messy network of screens, pop-up boxes, and function keys make managing even the most rudimentary functions a chore. Nothing is smoothly integrated or intuitive. Tacops - in which you manage space combat in a map-like top-down view - is a brain-scrambling mass of confusing commands and jargon.

Some other points can be handled quickly. The graphics are nice (the work of Take 2) but not extraordinary, and though the "living universe" elements are there in some places (day turns to night, people come and go), who really cares if there's nothing interesting to do? Privateer is fundamentally similar in play, and though it doesn't have the vaunted "depth" of BC3K, were such elements missed in the former? Not by me. I played Privateer from start to finish and loved it. BC3K had me reaching for the Alt-Q button after an hour.

And finally let's touch on the widely hyped "neural net" technology that supposedly gives BC3K its "terrific" AI (damned if I could find it) and real-world feel. There is no functional neural net in BC3K. Applying true neural net technology to a game of this size and getting it to run without causing havoc is improbable. Even if, by some unlikely stroke of programming genius, he has pulled this off, we will likely never know unless he opens his code to scrutiny, something he is loathe to do. (Even Take 2 was kept from seeing his secret code, which means they had to make their contributions and do their testing on half a product.)

Derek Smart and Take 2 were co-conspirators: Smart made the snake oil and Take 2 sold it. Even if this weren't the buggiest and worst documented game in history (which it is), chances are it wouldn't have delivered on all its many promises. Smart promised too much, and went about fulfilling that promise in all the wrong ways. In the process, he forgot that the most important object of creating a game is making it fun.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/battlecruise r3 000ad/review.html

Re:A review of BC 3k AD (2.6 out of 10.0) (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724044)

The reviews of his next game, Universal combat didn't look any better.
So we have a bad game developer with a huge ego and online-Tourettes syndrome trying to buy the rights to one of my favourite space games of all time. Just great.

Re:A review of BC 3k AD (2.6 out of 10.0) (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724408)

What makes me wonder is where on earth he gets his money. Don't the publishers realise what an utter liability he is? I mean the man is singlehandedly responsible for some of the worst games in computing history, who in the name of Great Cthulhu funds the loonie?

It makes me furious that people (and I use the term loosely) like Smart can run around throwing money at things when real developers, software houses that have real potential and vision, are driven to the wall by financial pressures.

Bah.

Please... (1)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724984)

don't refer to Derek Smart as a Doctor, at least without putting quotation marks around the "Dr". He has admitted that the "institution" he obtained it from was not accredited, and it is impossible to earn a valid PhD from a degree mill.

Furthering his delusions of grandeur is not something any sane person should be actively engaged in doing.

MODERATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9726589)

Are you fucking stupid? Plus five?

Not only does this review not having anything directly to do with the article, but it was just taken off of a website and posted.

May you get metamoderated to shit. Seriously, shit like this makes plus five mean jack shit.

Re:MODERATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9727744)

May you get metamoderated to shit. Seriously, shit like this makes plus five mean jack shit.

Shit nice shit sentence. Sheeit! Shit, man, I don't need to know shit about that shithead Derek Smart. Shit, Derek Smart has shit to do with shit (this shit being mentioned article, sheeit). Derek Smart, shit, didn't he design that Freespace shit? Shit, I said Derek "shit" Smart three (four!) times in one post. This shitty post will cause shit to hit the shit fan.
AC (The real one)

Re:MODERATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9729482)

Hahah. Forgot the preview. I messed up my usual "you stupid moderators" spiel, haven't done it in a few weeks.

I miss Derek Smart. Back in the Voodooextreme days of yor...

Re:MODERATORS! (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9729057)

Damn, you caught me! I was trying to be sneaky, what gave me away? Was it the URL at the bottom of the post showing were it came from?

Re:MODERATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9729474)

Was there any mention of any sneakiness? WAS THERE? HUH?!?!? Does the fact that you put a link on it make it somehow more relevant?

SHIT!

Re:MODERATORS! (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9730906)

If you used a few more caps and periods I would think I was talking to 'dr' smart.

Re:MODERATORS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9734417)

George Broussard used to be pretty good at flaming his audience as well... I miss VE.

Re:A review of BC 3k AD (2.6 out of 10.0) (1)

PD (9577) | more than 9 years ago | (#9728392)

If I fed my dog a set of Scrabble tiles he could have crapped a better manual.

I don't care if it's plagarism. I'm going to steal that line and use it frequently. Thanks.

Is this right? (3, Interesting)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723762)

No, I can't talk about it because like most issues such as this, the settlement terms are highly confidential (a DC requirement). Outside of our attorneys, the company primaries and the judge, nobody knows - or will know - the details.

FROM: http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_t opic;f=32;t=000156

If DC is district court, isn't he lying? It would be up to both parties involved as to the release of the terms of the settlement/agreement, would it not?

Re:Is this right? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723773)

The discrepancies on the BCM Gold sales stands at at staggering 62% shortfall. Once the legal briefing is filed in Canadian courts, I will ensure that they are not sealed and urge my attorneys to make the game deal points, LOI, LOI extension, contract drafts, final contract, royalty statements and indeed the projected corrected one they sent back in December, a matter of record. This will permit me to post them online verbatim.

FROM: http://www.3000ad.com/soapbox/dc/dc_issue_summary0 1.html

Re:Is this right? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724048)

If DC is district court, isn't he lying?

It would seem from what he wrote that DC stands for DreamCatcher, and that they imposed the non-disclosure requirement.

Is Derek serious? (5, Interesting)

The_Real_GooberMan (698083) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723824)

How does he plan on shutting down the Ferrium project? The minute I read that, I instantly thought to myself that the fact that the source code for Freespace 2 has been available for some time [freespace-2.com] which would be a huge dent in any attempt Derek tries to shut the project down. reveals that since the code for Ferrium isn't using any of the Interplay code it should be pretty safe. Of course, IANAL... [gamespy.com]

My first experience of slashdot bias (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9723850)

So, I read the slashdot article, and I think this Derek guy must be an asshole, reading the accompaning forum links, except the announcement on av.

After reading the av post, Derek seemed nice, wanting to keep the original series, and open to suggestions. Then the freespace fanboy trolls poured in, and started bashing him without reason.

Personally, I've never played any of Derek's games and I don't give a shit about Freespace, never even played it. But always be aware of slashdot bias, and RTFA before making a decision.

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Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (5, Insightful)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723942)

Just so you know, Derek Smart has been famous (as a dickwad) since maybe 1993 or thereabouts. He has a long and checkered history of attempting to do all manner of things, failing miserably, and then attacking his detractors, in court or elsewhere.

People don't attack a random game developer this way for no reason and for that length of time unless there's a good deal of substance to the rumors. Check out BC3000AD and you'll see what I mean.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (2, Insightful)

rev_dru (618154) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724286)

Wow, I've never heard of this guy before today.

If I treated people the same way he treats people, I'd probably be posting this comment from a hospital bed somewhere.

I'm seriously surprised he hasn't been killed in some kind of real-life drunken fight.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (1)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 9 years ago | (#9746887)

well, i don't know if he's that bad. it could even be that he stirs up flamewars on purpose for a kind of twisted marketing. however, go read the newsgroups about him, there should be stuff going waaaay back.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (5, Informative)

Westacular (118145) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723950)

Well, as others have indicated, Derek Smart has a bit of a history of ... saying things on forums. He talks a lot but, well, very few people have ever played his games, and even fewer are brave enough to admit it. For years, he claimed to have a Ph.D.; this was proven to be a lie.

It reached the point, long ago, where saying the name "Derek Smart" in an online forum was it's own punchline. It's also rumored that saying his name three times within a thread will cause him to appear and flame everyone in forum into oblivion... this has actually happened on many occasions.

So, you can understand if people tend to assume that he's not the best person to take over a fondly remembered game series... add to that his threats to shut down an otherwise worthwhile open source emulation project and the bias shown here on slashdot is quite understandable.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9724084)

It's also rumored that saying his name three times within a thread will cause him to appear and flame everyone in forum into oblivion...

:lights candles:
:rings bell:
"Derek Smart! Derek Smart! Derek Smart!"

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Tremble, fools! I have summoned him and called DOOM upon you all! Enjoy your oblivion-flames, puny Slashdotters!

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (1)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724398)

Hmm.. given that Slashdot is frequented by some of the Flame Warriors of Old, from the Great Usenet Days before the dawn of the web, I really doubt even Smart could flame /. into submission.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9723958)

Nice try Derek!

Read Further (2)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724969)

Read further into the thread on Avault where he made his announcement - like where he flames me after I politely told him we wouldn't accept anything from him.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9725230)

Nobody wants to be associated with Derek Smart who has been convicted of bank fraud and raping an entire petting zoo.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (2, Informative)

dackroyd (468778) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725418)

Derek Smart is an asshole. That is a well documented fact.

Further more he is a liar, a braggart, a bully and an all round crazy person.

May I present the evidence for the prosecution:

http://www.werewolves.org/~follies/

At the site above are many instances of Mr Smart lying, bullying people then lying about the lies etc etc.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (2, Informative)

Black Hitler (687112) | more than 9 years ago | (#9732893)

Well, yes, but in all fairness to Smart, the proprietor of that site (Bill Huffman) is also insane. If Smart is an arrogant egomaniacal asshole (yes) then Huffman is a crazy stalker. They deserve each other.

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9735101)

Army of Darkness starring Derek Smart:

Inquisitor: Are *all* programmers such loud-mouth braggarts?

Derek Smart: No. Just me, baby

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725950)

Hey, don't take our word for it- make up your own mind!

Here's a good starting place - Google groups [google.ca] has 36 thousand hits on my good buddy Derek Smart, PhD.

OT - Was Cmdr Taco involved in that flamewar? I dimly recall some talk about the "supreme taco commander".

Re:My first experience of slashdot bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9728538)

No, it appears to be some a unrelated handle DS picked up and uses on his DS fanboy forum.

I think a Star Wars quote is appropriate... (4, Funny)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#9723906)

"The more you tighten your grip, the more games will slip through your fingers."

Well thats the end really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9724033)

Space sims are, I think, relatively niche these days. And in the event he gets FS3, I very much doubt a single reviewer will be able to forego the pleasures of recounting this rocky period in its early history. Basically he is alienating the fan base and probably (in the end) quite a lot of the people who would consider purchasing it anyway. Having read his words in the links and few more, I certainly don't want to hand him a penny and FS3 would probably have been an automatic purchase for me previously.

IP? (4, Funny)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724189)

shutdown because I don't piss around when it comes to IP properties'."

I assume he'll be getting the money for the court case from an ATM Machine after entering his PIN Number.

Someone making FS3 would be good (3, Insightful)

bmnc (643126) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724247)

But I'm not convinced Derek Smart is the person to make that happen. I think his games are over ambitious, unfocussed and buggy. I bought BC3000AD and sequel, given that I thought the ideas sounded good, but neither was *actually playable*.

While I love the FS series, and would love to know how it continues, I doubt Derek Smarts ability to do it properly, and I doubt he even has the inclination to make a FS3 game properly. I suspect he'd prefer to take over the IP and then make some sort of massive space sim game where you could command troops on planets, move armadas, trade, mine asteroids for ore, research new technologies, build the great library to steal inventions from the alien species, etc... you get my drift.

Re:Someone making FS3 would be good (1)

AndyMouse GoHard (210170) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724736)

This can't be true. Here's my point: why would you buy the sequel (is there one?) if you'd bought the original? I think it's obvious, anyone having seen the original would *never* consider shelling out money again for that crap:)

Bill

Re:Someone making FS3 would be good (1)

bmnc (643126) | more than 9 years ago | (#9729001)

I agree, if my purchase decision had been well thought out, and I had been much less naieve, I never would've bought it. Problem was, I was so full of hope, it was on special and it said it had fixed the first ones bugs as well as added opengl support, etc. LIES LIES LIES, it was also shit. Stupid filthy faeces game. Derek Smart owes me some money, or some free games that aren't shit.

You Know (2, Interesting)

Trent Polack (622919) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724663)

I've always been curious to know just how Derek Smart avoids all the big sites that mention just how much of a joke he is to the gaming industry.
I mean, really, if he looked outside forums once and while, he'll see that not only do gamers hate him, but the professionals in the industry use him as fodder for just about every big-ego-no-talent joke made.

Re:You Know (1)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725602)

I knew a guy like him in college. He didn't even hear comments that were in any way negative (which included constructive criticism). The best I can figure is that after a person has had their ideas stomped down for so long by teachers, co-workers and reviewers, they just filter out everything that isn't innanely positive and sugarcoated.

He writes the material himself (1)

superultra (670002) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724695)

You know, that's the thing about Derek Smart. Just when he's almost set to become relegated to nostalgic net legend, like the flash Hamsters or dancing babies, he does something like this. Does this make him a living legend? I think so.

Actually, people like Derek Smart make me wonder why we don't have video game comedians. Sure, we have Penny Arcade and Something Awful, and enough of the Old Man Murray cronies are floating around that their humor pops up now and then, but we really need a live, stand up game comic. A physical embodiment of the humor that just overflows from the gaming community. Besides, Derek Smart writes the material himself! "Derek Smart: FU / LIVE IN DC" could one album title. Instead of standing before a set of bricks and garbage cans, they could be in front of oversized video game controllers. And there's even a single network to be broadcast on, and it wouldn't be very hard to be funny enough to get on there.

Hey, for anyone I might have inspired: ask him if any of the characters in Freespace 3 will be Asian. Writing the material himself, I tell you.

Re:He writes the material himself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9724828)

I've just look at those threads, one quote by Derek comes to mind...

'A game doesn't have to be great, it just has to be FUN and PROFITABLE'.

Yes, that says a very great deal.

Looking at this HLP (HTL is a graphics term), it's a bit confusing, but I'd rather download a FREE Freespace 3 by people who think it should be great than Derek's need to keep me quiet for a few minutes so he can count my money.

Re:He writes the material himself (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 9 years ago | (#9726286)

>Actually, people like Derek Smart make me wonder why we don't have video game comedians.
>
I run a forum for game developers (mostly young and/or first time developers), I can give you an endless supply of content. ;)

Re:He writes the material himself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9739458)

Yeah, he is good at writing his own material, for example the following quote [google.com] :

"BC3K works - prevailed - is still here - one solid dent in the anals of gaming."

For more funny stuff just go through google's usenet archive [google.com] .

People think this is bad? (1)

FreyarHunter (760978) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724711)

I am a proud owner of two titles of the Battlecruiser series. I have owned BCMG for a over a year and Universal Combat for about 3 months now. I personally don't understand the gripes and complaints that people have against him.

His games are great, and I am definatly glad that SOMEONE MADE THEM. The space-sim genre is so dead that if anyone were to make something ELSE then it would (sorry... "Should") be welcomed.

Did you guys read the thread on Avault? After his query to the public, the large community HTL started flaming him on thier forums and even started a mass flame on Darek for not posting on HTL forums.

A member of HTL said: "Please ask us at HLP, that is where you should of posted..."

Is it fair to decide where Darek should post or not? No, and it seems that with that statement that that lost HTL's "rights" to have any say in it. They were given a chance and they just bit his ass for it.

Can we even trust a community with rights to Freespace that doesn't even respect thier own members? Bad Language and general mean things are said, how are they supposed to get something out with a community like that.

The way I see it, is that no one is willing to give him a chance. True the Battlecruiser series only appeals to a certain group, but it's not fair to say "If it's touched by Darek Smart, I'm not buying it."

As far as the other smaller group goes... Ferrulium wasn't it? The person on that side had started that one. He was unprofessional and even attempted to gain favor by showing off an page that wasn't completed.

Guys, people like HTL and the others are only Modification users. HTL has threatened to attempt to buy the rights before DS does. Can HTL actually get a product that is any good on shelves? They may get enough to actually buy it, but they won't have any money left to actually develop something. They would have to write engines, and code on small bits of cash. Then publishing is a problem.

Re:People think this is bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9724762)

So you can't trust a small open development community but you can trust a man who still signs himself as a PHD despite this been proven false? is a well known troll, flamer, vending machine abuser and threatens to sue everybody he has business dealings with?

Derek smart is a laughing stock, a living joke, why is it so hard to understand that freespace community don't want him ruining a series they care enough about to have invested their time to extend.

Re:People think this is bad? (1)

FreyarHunter (760978) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725043)

They don't have to buy the product then. They don't have to say anything then. They can continue developing thier stuff on the Freespace 2 engine. It's not that hard.

Re:People think this is bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9725211)

Why doesn't Derek Smart just create his own backstory if THE GAME will be so great, why does he need the rights to the fs francise?

Re:People think this is bad? (1)

FreyarHunter (760978) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725387)

Because he wants the name and the whole story of it finished. He likes the franchise, and wanted it finished.

Re:People think this is bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9725609)

Derek makes shitty games, he asked if the freespace fanbase would buy a Derek Smart freespace game and then starts threatening legal action when they respond, just like he always does when he faces criticism! A Volition turd would be more welcome than a Smart masterpiece and be orders of magnitude better written into the bargin. If he really likes the franchise, he should leave it alone.

Re:People think this is bad? (1)

chris411 (610359) | more than 9 years ago | (#9728411)

Actually, didn't Derek Smart threaten legal action against them to prevent them from "developing thier stuff"?

Re:People think this is bad? (1)

Primis (71749) | more than 9 years ago | (#9732018)

Guys, people like HTL and the others are only Modification users. HTL has threatened to attempt to buy the rights before DS does. Can HTL actually get a product that is any good on shelves? They may get enough to actually buy it, but they won't have any money left to actually develop something.

Even if they didn't have the resources to get anything good out, it'd still be better than any abomination Smart would release.

Did you guys read the thread on Avault? After his query to the public, the large community HTL started flaming him on thier forums and even started a mass flame on Darek for not posting on HTL forums.

*YOU* clearly didn't not read the thread on AdrenalineVault. Any fool with half a brain can see the mod developer simply expressed displeasure at the thought of Smart touching the Freespace series because, quite frankly, Smart and his products have been nothing but miserable failures (and I will *not* argue about this because despite anything you may say about BC3K I can dredge up *hundreds* of awful reviews of his games as a counter). He did so in a tactful and polite manner though (quite frankly a more-polite manner than any fool like Smart deserves).

Smart could have ignored the comment outright, or could have taken the opportunity to present some evidence in his defense. But nooo, this is Derek Smart. So naturally his reaction is to threaten a lawsuit (which he does, constantly, about eveyrthing, but never has the balls to actually go through with), and begin flaming everything and anything in sight.

It's like this though -- Smart probably needs professional help. Seriously... I've been around long enough to see his flamewars, temper tantrums, and whatnot. Not only does he have an insatiable need to feel worshipped, but he's a completely dysfunctional human being when it comes to interacting with other human beings. He's also a borderline-pathological liar (as has been proven time and time again), and as the years continue to roll on his posts and incidents continue to become more-disturbing. He has serious problems, and they only seem to be getting worse. He needs help, honestly. It's not just a natural tendency to troll or something, he's really not a normal, functional human being...

-- Primis.

Re:People think this is bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9735975)

I believe that Derek Smart is actually a very functional squid.

So He (DS) Threatened us With Legal Action (4, Interesting)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 9 years ago | (#9724898)

Hello, I am also a Derek - Derek Meek, aka "Kazan" amongst just about everyone who knows me online. I am the project leader of Ferrium (the game engine project), and the Network programmer for the FreeSpace 2: Source Code project (i also do other various things for the SCP).

So Mr. Smart posted his message asking if we were interested I stated simply and calmly "We will not accept anything from you, sorry but your work in the past has been less than impressive." (not an exact quote, but very close). He then proceeded to insult me in very childlike fashion, and I calmly corrected him on all his misinformation.

That's when he threatend unfounded legal action by saying (direct quiote) "Let me assure you of one thing that you can go to sleep with tonite. I have FULL intentions of getting this license. If I DO get it, you and your teenny leetle friends on your Ferrous Oxide project, are effectively, shutdown because I don't piss around when it comes to IP properties. You would do well to ask around. I've sued publishers for less and I have attorneys around the world, literally on speed dial."

This legal threat is laughable when it comes to the Source Code Project. The intellectual property he may be acquiring from Interplay does not include the rights tot he source code - they belong to Volition, Inc. and we have an unlimited license to do what we want with the source as long as we don't make money of it. Furthermore any game content we distribute is protected by the laws protecting fan fiction.

When it comes to my project, Ferrium, they're downright laughable! Ferrium is a completely new game engine I'm designing from scratch and having members of the community right the code for. Neither Interplay or Volition have any claim to the intellectual property therein.

This seems to be very typical of him from everything that i've heard of him.

Re:So He (DS) Threatened us With Legal Action (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9725166)

"Furthermore any game content we distribute is protected by the laws protecting fan fiction."

What? You mean like no laws, right?

Re:So He (DS) Threatened us With Legal Action (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9726359)

+5 interesting my ass.

Your project is a complete joke, beisdes 3 c++ classes it only exists on paper. All of us on something awful hope you get sued and loose.

PS: your an asshole.

Re:So He (DS) Threatened us With Legal Action (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9726434)

I'm anon so this will get disregarded as a troll even though it's true, but...

Derek Smart's thread started out fine, until the forum raid from HLP. 15 year olds with egos got all pissed because he said he didn't have any reason to check out the source code project. But really, he's right. Aside from background knowledge of the Freespace universe (which I recall him saying HLP could be helpful with) he doesn't have any reason to check out the source code project, and yeah, it's irrelevant to anything he did. From this point all the kiddies got super pissed and read everything he said out of context, then went off and fumed in the HLP forums.

Enter Kazan, who says "One Derek to another, do NOT make this game" implying some sort of threat. After getting shot down with a "who are you again?", Kazan responds with "My dick is bigger than yours", or in the actual words "How long have you been programming, since you were 19 or 20? I've been programming since I was 10". That's a pretty petty and pointless boast.

In short, HLP are the ones that started it, and I'm not sure what's worse... Derek Smart rising to meet the flamewar challenge or Kazan pretending he has moral high ground.

HOWEVER...

Smart's threat to shut down Ferrium was stupid and I'm starting to agree that he is a dick (when provoked). Anyway, everyone in the thread acted like a child so it's stupid to pretend someone won.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9726471)

.. .. ..

NO (1)

topynate (694371) | more than 9 years ago | (#9728599)

Someone 15 years old would be how old exactly when Freespace 2 came out? And BC2K? That was out in 97, right? Granted, it was only playable 3 years later... so, in brief, NO.

Re:NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9733486)

It's a good thing you didn't read the thread.

Biased usage of direct quotes (1)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 9 years ago | (#9738170)

If you want to use direct quotes - use _ALL_ direct quotes The point of my comment about when I was programming from: A shot at his galatic ego which needs to be deflated

I fear Derek Smart (2, Insightful)

ThePyro (645161) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725020)

In a forum thread, Derek Smart mentioned plans for *mouse control* in flights, and *planet side missions* (As in, get out of your space fighter and run around on foot).

If those are his "revolutionary" ideas for the Freespace universe, then I fear that he doesn't understand what makes a space combat sim truly enjoyable. At the very least, someone should force him to play all the way through the previous game, and maybe Descent 3, using a really good joystick...

Rolling, banking, afterburning all over the place, laser fire screaming past you, dodging homing missiles left and right, huge beam weapons slicing capital ships apart in the background... THAT's a space combat sim. Not running around on a planet somewhere collecting goo. Not constantly picking your mouse up because you ran out of mouse pad.

Re:I fear Derek Smart (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 9 years ago | (#9726304)

You should try X2 The Threat. It's a pretty good space combat sim. It's got a decent story and mission based campaign, but you can fly around and do what you want as well. You can even buy a huge fleet of ships including capital ships. In the next patch (update) they are putting in a lot of cool features.

Also, they're working on a MMORPG based on the X2 universe with a lot of the same properties of the game. Looks promising.

Re:I fear Derek Smart (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 9 years ago | (#9730009)

I'd take Wing Commander (or Freelancer) style mouse based control over joystick anytime.

The typical way of simulating the joystick in space sims is not so good (as you say it causes mousepad-too-small problem)

Go for it, Mr. Smart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9725253)

I hope Derek Smart gets the Freespace license; crush those fanboys' dreams!

How is this guy still around? (3, Interesting)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 9 years ago | (#9725564)

I remember reading countless Usenet threads dealing with this guy, egos, and Coke machines way back in college (95-96). Funny thing is, that quote sounds exactly like what he would have said back then too.

I guess some people are just assholes from cradle to grave.

On Freespace (3)

M3wThr33 (310489) | more than 9 years ago | (#9726337)

Is this the same series that started with Descent: Freespace? Because that's the only one that comes to mind. I loved those old Descent games and I think they were from Interplay, right?

The new Freespace 3 release schedule (2, Funny)

Ath (643782) | more than 9 years ago | (#9727288)

The following schedule milestones have been defined for the new Freespace 3 game from none other than Derek Smart:

  • 07/01/2009 - Initial release
  • 01/01/2010 - Patch to make the installer work.
  • 06/01/2010 - Patch to allow the game to start.
  • 09/01/2010 - First draft of the manual.
  • 10/01/2010 - First lawsuit from Mr. Smart against the publisher.
  • 12/01/2010 - Class action lawsuit from the game purchasers against Mr. Smart.
  • 01/01/2011 - Class action lawsuit from Mr. Smart against the game purchasers for slander.
  • 05/01/2011 - Patch to the game released that allows the intro screen to function.
  • ...and the list could go on and on...

I think the link might be hidden somewhere in this (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#9727821)

thread :

but just to be sure : http://follies.werewolves.org/ : For a very very entertaining look at the guy calling himself Derek Smart (in the end , he doesn't seem to be -THAT- smart )

Derek Smart brings it on himself (3, Interesting)

RotJ (771744) | more than 9 years ago | (#9727826)

Derek Smart wouldn't have the reputation he has if he didn't go out of his way to feed the trolls. An earlier poster though "Derek seemed nice, wanting to keep the original series, and open to suggestions" in the Avault thread. But when people started bashing him on the HLP forum, he started shooting right back. If he responded to the reasonably thought out criticisms [gamespy.com] , it wouldn't be so bad. But he seemed to focus mainly on the juvenile "DEREK SMART?? MOR LIEK DEREK STUPID LOL!!!111" type of comments. First thing Mr. Smart does, of course, is insult everyone on the forum [gamespy.com] . As an added bonus, he ends the post with "That is all. As you were." Talking to people as if you are their military commander when you are in fact not their military commander does not instill them with loyalty and respect for you.

Let's also examine this exchange:

quote:Originally posted by Unknown Target Derek,
we're all trying to calm down now. Please don't instigate people to flame again. This community is 99% proffesional, and everyone that's been here for more than 1 or 2 months acts very mature. If you'll look through the other threads, you'll see this to be the truth. It's just this whole...issue has raised tempers somewhat.

Wot? You finally decided to take your meds? I'm not inciting nor flaming anyone. Thats not my style unless the other side (like you for instance) starts first. I'm an equal opportunity jackass.

You see, to imply that someone has a psychological problem for which he needs medication is to incite an angry response. Maybe the social context is different in Florida or something.

It is generally unwise for the public face of a game company to start flamewars with the potential fanbase. Hence, you don't see Gabe Newell showing up and talking smack whenever someone makes a fat joke. It is also unwise to believe this statement: "Gents, some of the posts in this thread, are EXACTLY the reason why game developers AND publishers hardly pay attention to a game's fanbase." Game developers and publishers don't stop paying attention to its fanbase because a few people start spewing vitriol about them. They simply learn to ignore their anti-fanbase. Derek Smart, on the other hand, pays way too much attention to his anti-fanbase.

Battlecruiser 3000AD is not as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. The initial reaction was mostly the fault of Take 2's decision to release it in a buggy, unplayable state. But because of the Derek Smart mystique (somewhat akin to the John Romero mystique), people get in on the running joke without really knowing anything about the game. Then again, were Mr. Smart not so outspoken, he probably wouldn't have as much name recognition as he does now. (Does anyone know who the lead developer for Extreme PaintBrawl [gamerankings.com] was?) Maybe Battlecruiser would have just faded away if he hadn't kept himself in the news. So I guess it works for him.

Re:Derek Smart brings it on himself (1)

Axem (713217) | more than 9 years ago | (#9728058)

Agreed, if he was smart (pun not intended), he would've ignored the trolls and made them look like idiots. Instead he felt it necessary to stoop down to their level and flame back. I expect to buy a game from a professional, not a childish bully Smart is making himself out to be.

I think we should all admit... (1)

inkless1 (1269) | more than 9 years ago | (#9730475)

This is getting so much press because everyone loves a Smart FlameWar (tm) ... not so much about the license, which there's not much indication he'd actually get (and has made it clear he is getting it regardless of what the fanbase thinks)

Flamewar History (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 9 years ago | (#9732117)


This history of Derek Smart's Usenet Flamewar.

The funniest thing I've read in a long time.

The guy's a douche. They say if you say his name 3 times he'll come and start flaming...

Derek Smart, Derek Smart, Derek Smarth!

BC 3000AD Support (3, Interesting)

eberry (84517) | more than 9 years ago | (#9732521)

This guy has to be the biggest ass in gaming history. Just look at the support forum for his last game, BattleCruiser 3000AD.

So-called Support Forum [3000ad.com]

Examples:

1) Now that this major patch has been released, starting from now on, all subsequent patches will only be available via the registration downloads page.

For this reason, you must register the game and ensure that your profile contains correct, accurate and useful information.

Today, a large number of records have been DELETED from the database. These range from single letter first/last names, to completely empty profile info. Now, those people will have to re-register. And if the same problem occurs, the database will again flush these records every week. After three such deletions, the CDKEY will be invalidated and you will no longer be able to register it.

I paid a LOT of money for this system and I don't like people making a mockery out of my system.

So, now would be a really good time to login to your profile and update it accordingly.

[ 05-10-2004, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

2) From now on, ANYONE posting ANYWHERE on this site without their valid sys info in their signature, will be site banned. If you don't know what a site wide ban is, read this.

There won't be ANY warnings whatsoever. And once you are site banned there is absolutely ZERO chance of coming back here. Ever. If you feel so bad about it, next time you see my games on the shelves, just walk on by.


And this is how the guy talks to customers! Why would any company put up with this asshole?

Re:BC 3000AD Support (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9734755)

Seeesh, with his attitude I am amazed that he actually has people who buy his products, post on his forum, and support him. Sounds like the short tempered DS is quick to ban even his loyal fanboys.

Here [google.com] is a collection of some "insightful" DS quotes.

"Just because a disgruntled few can't run it due to bugs and crashes does NOT make it a bad game."

A "disgruntled few?" I think it was a lot more then "disgruntled few" would couldn't get your shoddy "game" running.

"I did not want to make you all testers. But think, how many of you would'nt have killed to test this game if it were offered to you?? The only difference is, you paid dollars to get it."

Sure people would kill to get into beta testing for games, and might pay some fee, but they fucking wouldn't pay nor should they pay $50.00 to bug test an unplayable game that was shipped as and expected to be a finished product.

"All pirates reading this, the next patch and ALL subsequent releases WILL require the cd-rom in the drive. I've got it covered."

Oooh, I bet they were really worried!

AC (1)

eberry (84517) | more than 9 years ago | (#9783833)

I should have posted as AC too. Now I'm banned from his forums!

If, for some reason, this guy still has fans; I think they might be suffering from Stockholm syndrome [wikipedia.org] .

Why this would be a very bad thing (1)

Black Hitler (687112) | more than 9 years ago | (#9733057)

"When I saw that Interplay had seemingly started selling off IPs, rather than see the Freespace IP fall into the WRONG hands, I thought it would be nice to TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT and which is totally BELOW my current skill levels and experience."
Why does this seem so oddly familiar? Oh, that's right, he's said it before [oldmanmurray.com] :
"I'm used to developing and coding high-end migraine inducing modules for my games, therefore, going to a streamlined and less hardcore game, just gives my brain some breathing room...After the Battlecruiser series, believe me, anything else not even closely related to its complexity, will be like programming tic-tac-toe to me."
The result of this attitude? His Serious Engine project has yet to be made (which is what happens when you treat a game engine as an impulse buy) and Universal Combat was crap. If Smart does in fact end up with the Freespace IP, run as far as you possibly can in the opposite direction and brace yourself for the impending train wreck.
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