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No. (3, Insightful)

Mr. Vandemar (797798) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726531)

nt

Re:No. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726545)

Amen. Next story, please.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726556)

Exactly. End of discussion.

Thanks for playing, timothy...now go back to your Tonka trucks and stuffed animals.

Yes (3, Funny)

stoborrobots (577882) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726594)

And in addition:
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

Oh, my, Is my math degree showing?

Re:Yes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726600)

Thats interesting. I would have thought that somebody with a math degree would be smart enough to know that math is not a sport.

Ridiculous. (4, Insightful)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726541)

Absolutely ridiculous. If math is a sport then what isn't a sport. Fuck. The world has gone nuts.

Re:Ridiculous. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726554)

If math is a sport then what isn't a sport.

Bowling.

Re:Ridiculous. (5, Funny)

Corgha (60478) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726619)

If math is a sport then what isn't a sport. Fuck. [emphasis mine]

You said it. That is something that probably won't be in the Olympics for a long while.

Re:Ridiculous. (1)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726624)

I guess you are one of those people who decry both Curling AND Ballroom Dancing as Olympic sports. Basement dwelling trogledyte.

-Charlie

(Yes, sarcasm folks....)

Re:Ridiculous. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726655)

I agree sounds like the person who came up with this one is smoking crack. What's next? Olympic Spelling Bee competitions?

GNAA announces plans to assassinate George W. Bush (0, Troll)

users.pl (689022) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726544)

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Well... (5, Funny)

sk6307 (797832) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726549)

If curling is a sport, anything is possible.

Takeshi's Castle (1)

mikael (484) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726682)

If synchronised swimming can make it to the olymics, then "The Run Way" maths test game in Takeshi's castle should be in the olympics (contestants slide down a ramp while trying to work th answer to a simple arithmetic calculation. Get it right and the contestant remains in the game. Get it wrong and they get dumped into the powder).

Math Major Point of View: (1)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726550)

I know plenty of people that sweat when they do math - test time usually. So, math has that incommon with sports atleast.

Re:Math Major Point of View: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726612)

That is the most asinine rationalization of this nonsense I've ever heard. You should be ashamed.

clicking for reflexes (1)

rd4tech (711615) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726551)

Next on slashdot:

- Pump up those fingers typing.
- Eye-hand coordination.
- Unix manual power lifting for biceps.
- Thinking about using muscles grows them*

Furthermore, I'm proposing new /. section, called 'heavy weight', and, as a first article:
- New monitor installation, extra secion on protein intake for this activity.

Jokes aside, more than half of the geeks in my company are really build up types (or lean girls). Once you spend 7 hours in front of the screen, you HAVE to do some king of exercise. Now that usually is the gym downstairs, and/or, football/volleyball/etc, guess the stereotype is wrong.

* Someone actually proved this

Re:clicking for reflexes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726571)

How about the Masterbation Workout? Lets face it- thats the most physical activity most of the geeks here get...

Absolutely (3, Insightful)

3l1za (770108) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726555)

No question about it -- they are.

Here are some traits of a sport:

(1) It's something that you can train for -- and, with training, improve in

(2) It's something in which your progress and fitness and skill/talent can be measured

(3) It's something in which some people are just naturally gifted and others can achieve at a level commensurate with their effort -- to a point. At some higher levels of mathematics, though -- just like at some levels of athletics (e.g. the Tour de France, the Olympics), no amount of training can overcome a genetic deficiency.

Most of all, both (mathematics & sports) are fun!

Re:Absolutely (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726588)

You are wrong, on most of your accounts.

sport Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
n.

1.
a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.
4.
a. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
b. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
c. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
5.
a. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
b. Informal. One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
c. Informal. A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
6. Informal.
a. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
b. A gambler at sporting events.
7. Biology. An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.
8. Maine. See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.
9. Obsolete. Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.

Re:Absolutely (1)

stoborrobots (577882) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726615)

Well, by your definition 3, math is a pastime which involves interaction, hence an active pastime, and hence a sport...

(And in addition see 4b - math is often an object of mockery... ;-P )

Dream on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726598)

Just another form of penis envy.

Re:Absolutely (2, Funny)

pb9494 (550141) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726627)

In your definition of sports, beer-drinking is a sport too:
(1) you can train for it, and you actually get better with training.
(2) Your beer-drinking skill can absolutely be measured.
(3) Some people have a gift for beer-drinking.
Most of all, beer-drinking is just fun !
Same reasoning goes for sex, BTW.

Re:Absolutely (1)

stoborrobots (577882) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726704)

At my uni, the student association has a beer-drinking olympics [monash.edu.au]... In fact I think most australian uni's do...

I think the one missing factor in the original comment is competition; it is the competition which converts a skill (like driving) into a sport (like car racing). That's where sex fails to make sport status. But socializing (politically-correct term for picking up hot chicks), now that can get competitive... and it can involve sex...

I disagree... (5, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726645)

Those criteria can make anything a sport. For example, by your criteria, masturbation can be a sport. I know people who have been training in masturbation for years. They do it every day. They progress and get better at it. No more of the right hand only, then use the left hand too, and upside down. They can even postpone ejaculation. And yes, some people are more naturally gifted at masturbating than others. But do we want to call it a sport?

You are missing one of the main criteria for sports. You have to be able to stop someone else from scoring or getting what they want. In all games, there is a defense for the offense. What can you defensivly do to stop someone in math?

Re:I disagree... (5, Funny)

Epistax (544591) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726679)

I'd like to see you play defense in bowling. Or golf. I'll bring the camera, you bring the ambulance.

Re:I disagree... (3, Insightful)

stoborrobots (577882) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726725)

Actually, rather than the existance of defence, the criterion should be the existance of competition...

Tennis, basketball, swimming, cycling and track are not sports when they're not competitive - they are exercise.

(And doing maths yourself, i.e. homework, is also called exercise...)

Re:I disagree... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726741)

Sure there is, playing the safe shots is defensive. There's no way of playing safe shots - or even knowing who's on the offense - in maths.

Re:I disagree... (1)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726698)

You have to be able to stop someone else from scoring or getting what they want

Like when someone walks in on you? Masturbation is a sport!

Re:I disagree... (4, Funny)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726711)

You have to be able to stop someone else from scoring.

Isn't that the definition of masturbation?

Re:Absolutely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726692)

I disagree. I tend to think the term sport implies some athleticism to take part in it, not pushing a pencil, chalk or whiteboard marker to solve a math problem the quickest or most elegantly.

Re:Absolutely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726713)

You forgot something... is it *WATCHABLE*?!

The answer is: "God no."

Let's narrow things a bit (3, Interesting)

carlos92 (682924) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726729)

Math is not a sport. Problem solving could be considered to be similar to a sport. You don't actually train on Math; you learn Math, and you train on solving problems. And you can show your progress and fitness (and speed) on solving a particular class of problems. I did, and I won the Olimpíada Matemática Argentina in 1989 and I would have gone to the International Mathematics Olympiad, if only the stupid government of Raúl Alfonsín (Argentina's president at the time) hadn't leaked all the central bank's reserves into every politician's pocket.
Plus, these competitions are also very fun (for those who like Math).

Poker on ESPN (5, Interesting)

ikea5 (608732) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726558)

Well, if World Series Of Poker can be broacasted on ESPN, then I guess math is a sport.

definition: (1, Informative)

akincisor (603833) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726559)

sport n.

1.
1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.
4.
1. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
2. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
3. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
5.
1. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
2. Informal. One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
3. Informal. A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
6. Informal.
1. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
2. A gambler at sporting events.
7. Biology. An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.
8. Maine. See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.
9. Obsolete. Amorous dalliance; lovemaking.

Re:definition: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726616)

definition

akincisor n.

1. a karma whoring retard

Sure! (5, Funny)

natefanaro (304646) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726560)

Math should be a sport as much as 0 equals 1.

Math is a sport, then! (1, Troll)

mothz (788133) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726691)

Let X = Y. Then:
X*(X) = X*(Y)
X^2 - Y^2 = XY - Y^2
(X+Y)*(X-Y) = X*(X-Y)
(X+Y) = X
X + X = X
2*X = 1*X
2 = 1
2-1 = 1-1
1 = 0.
QED.

WTF? Un, hmm... NO! (1, Insightful)

sumac (714320) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726563)

Why is it that smart folks can't be happy with simply being smart? Math is obviously not a sport, nor is it a competition. Compete at math? Huh? What does competition add to the struggle? (mumbles something about never reading slashdot again...)

RTFA (1)

carrett (671802) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726599)

The International Math Olympiad is a math competition. Check it out. The link's in the article. I agree however that math is obviously not a sport in the common perception of the word.

If Math is or is not a sport... (5, Funny)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726564)

I would like to see a mathematical proof written to support the claim.

Re:If Math is or is not a sport... (1)

Florian Weimer (88405) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726631)

I would like to see a mathematical proof written to support the claim.

I'd guess that's the difference between math and mathematics.

Of course not (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726569)

It's an art.

Re:Of course not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726678)

Umm.. No - it's a science.

Please don't make a legion of artists come out of the woodwork and bonk you on the head - it's not pretty.

Olympics vs. Sports (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726573)

Math may not be a 'sport', but I like the idea of such a competition in an international setting like the Olympics. Let's trim some of the fluff sports that currently litter the Olympics and add math competitions.

Anectdotal evidence (0)

foidulus (743482) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726576)

In high school I lettered 3 times....in Academic Games. Our high school considered any club that was competive eligible to receive letters.
So yeah, it's a sport.

Re:Anectdotal evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726595)

Sonofabitch, I meant to include this [academicgames.org] but I failed it!

Re:Anectdotal evidence (1)

Guildencrantz (234779) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726674)

In addition to math and football I received a letter in theatre for a play which in competition. Is playwrighting going to be an Olympic sport? I'm sorry, sports and academic competitions are different. The Olympics is about sports. Should we have international academic competitions? Hell yeah, I'm all for that, but don't muddle the Olympics any more than they already have been.

Re:Anectdotal evidence (1)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726697)

No, just because you can compete in something doesn't make it a sport...You can have a chess tournament, but it doesn't test physical prowess, so it isn't a sport. Someone decided to propose letting math team qualify a student for a letter jacket when I was in high school, and everyone (including me) laughed in their face.

There are other benefits and awards for intelligentsia, and if one wants to become an athlete, there's no law against it. All he has to do is work at a sport long enough to have some skill, and spend a couple of years on the school's team.

You just have a weird high school. :)

No more than bridge is a sport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726577)

Here's a test: Does it make you sweat? No? Then it's not a sport. Could be a game, but not a sport.

Depends (4, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726578)

Just about every word in the english language has multiple definitions. You know, when you look in the dictionary and there are numbers 1,2,3, etc. Lets' take a look at one in the OED.

I. 1. a. Pleasant pastime; entertainment or amusement; recreation, diversion.

If you use that one, then yes, math can be a sport for some people.

d. Participation in games or exercises, esp. those of an athletic character or pursued in the open air; such games or amusements collectively.

That one depends on how you do the math.

c. spec. Pastime afforded by the endeavour to take or kill wild animals, game, or fish. Freq. with adjs. referring to the result achieved.

no, math is not a sport. Unless you can make a funny joke about how doing math kills wild animals. See replies to this post for witty comments.

Re:Depends (1)

Epistax (544591) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726654)

See replies to this post for witty comments.

I totally differentiated that zebra. Even if he somehow manages to integrate he'll never really know where he was before.

Sliders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726581)

Anyone else immediately think of that Sliders episode where the main sport is this strategy game where you have to answer different questions before you can score ?

m-w.com definition of sport (1)

carrett (671802) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726584)

1 a : a source of diversion : RECREATION b : sexual play c (1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in I guess math could be considered a source of diversion, but it's not sexual nor does it involve physical activity. I think if we start calling math a sport, the word will lose its meaning. We have academic decathlons, science bowls, quiz bowls, and math olympiads, but I think they should be seperate from symposiums of physical prowess (the super bowl, the olympics, etc.) This seems like a silly story.

a simple answer (1)

selderrr (523988) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726591)

from dictionary.com [reference.com]

athlete PPronunciation Key(thlt) n. A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

First step (2, Funny)

dewie (685736) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726592)

I think the first thing they have to do if they're looking for respect and recognition is to stop calling themselves "mathletes".

Ew.

Math is not a sport... (1, Redundant)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726602)

I don't think something is a sport unless there is some physical activity involved. Unless you are activly doing something with your body, and it is against someone else, then it is not a sport.

That is why I would classify something like ping pong as a sport. You have an opponent and you have to use your body to win. You move your legs to get you in place to make a shot, and you use your hands to add touch to the shot.

Math is not a sport. And you can't really have an oponent the way you can in real sports. How is the opponent going to stop you? In football cornerbacks try and stop wide recievers. In basketball people are gaurded. In baseball the pitcher trys to make you miss the pitch. What can your opponent do do in math? Nothing. Chess might be more arguable because the opponent can make moves to open up traps for you.

Re:Math is not a sport... (1)

shut_up_man (450725) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726673)

I agree with you the Math isn't a sport, but not for the last reason you presented. Competition doesn't require rules that allow opponents to affect you - look at sprinting, shooting, ice skating (well, apart from Tonya Harding) etc etc. Math could just be presented as a competition based on whoever can do the problems fastest, or with the most accuracy, or with points for flair and style.

I do agree that sports have to involve some kind of competitive physical activity though, which math lacks. If it's just about "competition", then everything is a sport, since a competitive angle can be applied everywhere.

Opponent often not present... (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726675)

Would you argue polevaulting is or is not a sport ?

There is no opponent to thwart your moves.

You could argue that there are opponents who can jump higher, thereby raising the bar (as a result, literally).

But what if there were no others practicing polevaulting, would it no longer be a sport, merely because you are competing against.. well.. yourself ?

I just don't think chess should be a sport ;)

And I don't think elimination sports should be Olympic sports..
e.g. Tennis.
If you lose a game, your kicked out. Even if the the person you lost again would lose against every other opponent, and you were to be able to win against them.
That's hardly 'fair' and hardly in the spirit of the Olympics.

Then again, the Olympics have been commercialized to the extent of not being allowed to choose what to wear; If your shirt spans the logo of a company that isn't sponsoring the Olympics, you are refused access. This to prevent, of course, large groups of people each carrying, say, a single letter of the competitor, from standing up when the camera is on them and making for a human advertising sign. But, really, geeze :/

Re:Math is not a sport... (1)

jammindice (786569) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726690)

Yeah, i'd like to see chess at the olympics. Wizard chess where taking an opponents piece means a battle that would have to be fought and won for the piece to be moved there. Would add a third demension to chess and playing with people would be awesome.

Shaun
____________________

Re:Math is not a sport... (1)

Frequency Domain (601421) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726707)

And you can't really have an oponent the way you can in real sports. How is the opponent going to stop you? In football cornerbacks try and stop wide recievers. In basketball people are gaurded. In baseball the pitcher trys to make you miss the pitch. What can your opponent do do in math? Nothing.
Are you claiming that track and field events aren't sports because they don't involve blocking maneuvers? (I wouldn't want to play defense against the javelin throwers!) There are lots of sports which have nothing to do with blocking opponents. What sports seem to have in common is opportunities to outperform the opposition. Math wouldn't be eliminated by that criterion.

Re:Math is not a sport... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726732)

I suppose by that definition, then track & field, Olympic swimming, diving, archery, golf, etc. aren't sports. I don't know whether that agrees with common usage. Well okay, golf isn't a sport. :-)

If Math is a Sport... (1)

ps_inkling (525251) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726617)

Would you have calculus relays, trigometric throws, and balance equations?

Could we organize a Mental Olympics, with chess boards, engineering feats, and story problems? Math would be just one of many arenas of competition.

It reminds me of the Monty Python skit watching a "World Famous Writer" working on a new book.

Nobody's going to pay for the rights to broadcast math competitions. The (U.S.) National Spelling Bee [spellingbee.com] is the closest thing to this suggestion.

Re:If Math is a Sport... (1)

kryten (28985) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726699)

On a more worldwide level perhaps the Mindsports Olympiad [msoworld.com] is the sort of thing you mean?

Math(s) will never be an 'Olympic' 'sport' in it's own right because it doesn't make good TV.

It's not a sport... (1)

killjoe (766577) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726620)

It's not a sport unless you can die.

Everything else is a game.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

old putnams (1)

Arngautr (745196) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726622)

Red bull scandle anyone?

Seriously check these [unl.edu] old putnam tests out, they are hard, high school level math is required, 12 problems in 6 hours, 3 hour blocks for US/Canada college students, the median score is often 0, when I took it last year my score was better than that, but man, still embarassing. They are of course easy once you see the solution but creativity and a lot of intuition are required to solve more than a couple in any givin year.

Monday Night Math on CBC (1)

CHaN_316 (696929) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726630)

I have a hard time seeing fans cheering on their favourite mathlete. Could you imagine the 'math' highlights of the day on ESPN or something?

"Today we witnessed the biggest upset in math history. Mr.Robert at the last minute pulled out a proof that he was working on during the half time break, and won it for the team! That's right Larry, what an exciting conclusion to the 2004 Math Bowl! I haven't seen proofs like that since my university years Dave. Now onto a word from our sponsors."

... I rest my case.

Re:Monday Night Math on CBC (1)

toetagger1 (795806) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726722)

ESPN actually covered MATHCOUNTS [youngmath.net] for an entire hour, and also had reruns of the same. So by your own example, it would mean that math IS a sport.

Conspiracy (0, Flamebait)

vayu (793077) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726632)

This must be a conspiracy by geeks who want to call themselves as athletes ;)

Matheletes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726637)

I'm not sure if maths is a sport or not, but I think giving people who voluntarily call themselves "matheletes" a good kicking should be considered a sport ;)

Another NO (4, Funny)

pr0c (604875) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726639)

In all real sports you can reasonable expect someone to get injured.

If someone isn't going to get hurt.. why bother!

The answer is no! (3, Informative)

toetagger1 (795806) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726644)

Math [reference.com] by definition is not a Sport [reference.com].

Math:
The study of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets, using numbers and symbols.

Sport:
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

Re:The answer is no! (2, Informative)

toetagger1 (795806) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726665)

And don't even think about saying that Chess [reference.com] is a sport!

Chess:
A board game for two players, each beginning with 16 pieces of six kinds that are moved according to individual rules, with the objective of checkmating the opposing king.

A little support here,,, (1)

Unlimited Carrots (795734) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726646)

I don't know why everyone is so upset about this. If a room full of "mathletes" frantically trying to solve for X, possibly Y, and in worst cases, Z, isn't a delightful and inspiring display of athletisicm, nothing is.

Someone help refresh my memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726660)

Somewhat off-topic, but in regards to what should be considered a "sport" ... my memory is kind of fuzzy since it's been 20 years, but in the 1984 Los Angeles summer Olympics, I could have sworn they had a demonstration sport that, IIRC, was something like polo played on all-terrain vehicles instead of horses. I remember feeling really embarassed for the United States... but I can't find any information on it. I'm wondering if I'm getting it mixed up with something else...

In a word? (2, Insightful)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726662)

No.

If Stephen Hawking can do it, it's not a sport.

Geeks (like me) need to get over their inferiority complex (which I did). Intellectual pursuits are not more or less worthy than physical ones...they're just different.

Sport? Maybe. Fun to watch? No. (1)

t1nman33 (248342) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726672)

I used to run cross-country in high school, and I did a lot more bike riding back then too. Both are fun activities to participate in.

But are they fun to watch? Hell no! I'd rather watch NASCAR than the Tour de France or some random 5K; at least race cars explode when they crash.

Call it a sport if you want, I don't care. I guess if they can show poker on ESPN, anything's possible. But don't expect me to watch.

BTW, I did Academic Decathalon back in high school too; last I checked, I was the record-holder for Pennsylvania in the essay competition. It's neat to be able to say that you did something like that, but if they tried to show it on Fox on prime-time, I'd flip right on by.

Not in favor of mathletes (1)

jimbublitz (458954) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726681)

Ask someone (or yourself) if you'd be in favor of a school that selected a small group of students who excelled in a particular area (like math), provided them with special instructors (who might even be paid extra) and special education sessions, special equipment (things as expensive as computers), free transportation to contests, and maybe even uniforms and special privileges for the competing students.

I haven't posed this to anyone in a long time, but when I did in the past, almost everyone opposed this kind of elitism. But most high schools and colleges still have football, basketball and other kinds of athletic teams, which is what I was describing.

I'm not especially excited by the idea of "mathletes", but I think it would be nice if schools devoted as many resources and as much emphasis to academic and intellectual areas (or even arts) as they do to athletics.

Re:Not in favor of mathletes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726717)

I emphatically *would* be in favor of just this type of thing.

It's not elitism; it's survival. Any society that wants to survive economically has got to either (a) rely on the good will of other countries or (b) cultivate its own innate talent (read: youth) and part of (b) is to develop those youth who show a proficiency in skills that are part and parcel of being a contributing member of the modern world.

And it's not a hypothetical in other countries (e.g. that have magnet math or science high schools or even grammar schools for high performing youth); heck, it's not even a hypothetical here.

Let's see... (1)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726686)

Here is how to tell if something is a sport:

You can buy shoes specifically designed to be worn while doing it.

Otherwise it is not a sport.

If someone starts making a pair of shoes with an integrated slide rule, then math will be a sport. Until then, it's just a hobby.

Probability 0 (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726694)

Some sports are included in the Olympics for their physical demands, some to popular interest and some for the spectacle (for example the aesthetics of the teams taking part in synchronised swimming are far more interesting than who actually wins). Math has absolutely no chance because

(a) no physical requiments whatsoever beyond being alive
(b) you basically want a tv audience to watch people think about something that 99% of them cant remotely comprehend
(c) did I mention its boring and no one cares that a bunch of geek math freaks feel underappreciated

Just because you are committed to something and work hard at it does not oblige the rest of the world to indulge you.

I think the international starring championships ala Big Train (Sketch comedy show) will be in the olympics before math is

Beer test (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726695)

Do you want a beer when you sit down and watch it on TV? FAIL

Are pros surrounded by eager young women in every city? FAIL

Bob Costas can tell you more than everything you wanted to know about it? FAIL

Participants use performance-enhancing drugs? PASS

Therefore math is not a sport

Subjective view follows (hilarity ensues) (1)

halftrack (454203) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726705)

"Ludwig Wittgenstein, who famously addressed the question we're discussing in his Philosophical Investigations:

Consider for example the proceedings that we call "games." I mean board-games, card-games, ball-games, Olympic games, and so on. What is common to them all? Don't say: "There must be something common, or they would not be called 'games' "but look and see whether there is anything common to all.

(...)

How should we explain to someone what a game is? I imagine that we should describe games to him, and we might add: "This and similar things are called games." And do we know any more about it ourselves?
"

I would say - IMH(umble)O - that a game is an activity governed by rules and it follows that games is the plural. Thus board-games, card-games, ball-games, Olympic games are bound to gether. Things resembling games, but without rules, is play, like the children do.

As for sport that's more fishy, it is at least a subset of games, but ... I would say math's not a sport. However I would say bridge and chess is. This I base on that the challenge is not static. There's a new set of problems for competition (and I don't see it as as the altering track in cycling for instance) and that is the determing point in my mind. However it is a competition and it's great to have large competitions in math.

As for olympics I agree with the IOC. The olympics is based on the old greek athletic games and races.

SOT: when I think about it, Slashdot can be more of a sport, judged much like figure skating. It's about getting you're point across in the limited attention the article enjoys and at least I often find myself browsing multiple windows to collect facts (or at least something that seems like facts.) What about Slashdot Olympics?

Those kinds of sports are called... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726712)

Sciences.

To be honest I think they're oversimplifying what a sport is. It's not just a definition for anything you can compete in, it's a genre of activities that specifically tax your physical ability, manual dexterity, strength, stamina and endurance. Yes, there is a degree of brain power involved, but only so much as that a natural footballer is as skilled at his chosen activity as a mathamatician is at his. In both math and football, natural ability is an almost sub-conscious trait.

So before people argue about whether math can be a sport, they need to define whether football can be a science. In its purest terms it can't be, because success is defined by the abilities of the individual and the rules of the sport. Sports and sciences have taken hundreds of years to form into two distinct camps, although thinking about it, I guess this would sort out the whole jocks and nerds thing for good.

Merriam-Webster says no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#9726719)

The accepted definition of sport, as far as the Olympics would be concerned, is, from what m-w.com says, "a physical activity engaged in for pleasure". Likewise, m-w.com defines athlete as "a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina".

Of course, since the Olympics are all about revenue, you need something that folks find exciting. A bunch of people sitting around solving complex math problems may be some folks' idea of fun, but I doubt McDonald's or Budweiser is going to funnel money towards advertising for that.

Is baseball or basketball or football a sport? (1)

Rai (524476) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726733)

At what point does a game become a sport?

Use a muscle : do sports (1)

Count of Montecristo (626894) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726735)

If the old saying is true, that your brain is like a muscle, then by all means, Math qualifies as a sport:

if you dont use it, it may atrophie (sp?)

if you train it, it gets stronger

if you drink beer, it gets slow

if you take drugs, it may enhance it in the short term, damage it on the long run

if you get really good at it, you can compete with it

Lamest Slashdot article in a long time... (4, Informative)

TitanBL (637189) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726737)

Math is interesting, math is fun, math is usefull, but math is not a sport.

From WordNet (r) 2.0:
sport
n 1: an active diversion requiring physical exertion and
competition [syn: athletics]

not really (1)

name773 (696972) | more than 8 years ago | (#9726744)

math serves many useful purposes... sports serve none other than excercise. please don't defile math by associating it with sports
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