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Napster Strikes Deal With GWU

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the sleepytime dept.

Music 234

ParticleMan911 writes "In an attempt to thwart illegal music downloads, GWU has struck a deal with Napster to allow every student living on campus a free subscription to Napster's streaming audio service. Every one of the 700,000 songs on Napster will be available to stream on each students' computer. GWU is not disclosing how much the streaming service, available to all users at $9.95/Month, is costing them, but the first year trial of the service has been donated by an anonymous donor. Will this method help get rid of illegal music downloads, or simply be a handy tool to use while your real mp3s are downloading?"

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Slackware installation manual for Napster? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727701)

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CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER. Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say anyway.
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4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.
5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.
DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS. Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.


Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd.
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.
And you were expecting what?
This is normal.
Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? ?That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.
I don't really understand the question

One in the same (5, Insightful)

quinxy (788909) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727703)

"while your real mp3s are downloading?"

Given the availability of various stream ripping software (not sure if something is currently available for Napster particularly, didn't see any in a quick search) it would seem reasonable to expect that the Napster streams could become your real mp3s. Surely something could do the DirectSound dumping (as other programs already do) and then slap on the MP3 tags based on text grabbed from Napster's Windows handles.

Re:One in the same (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727837)

Pirates like you are the reason that Windows Longhorn is being delayed for so many years: Microsoft has to wait for DRM to worm its way into the hardware and BIOS so that people like you can no longer ripoff the stream from its rightful owner/licensor.

Your next Dell computer will have a DRM motherboard and a DRM BIOS to go with its DRM Longhorn, and you will like it, or else! There are greedy schmucks on both sides, but I lean towards the IP owners because thats all America has to sell or own anymore, and needs it to keep its tech lead. All the real work gets done in other countries.

Re:One in the same (3, Interesting)

CrazyGringo (672487) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727863)

He never said he was a pirate. It's people like you that think security through obscurity is a sound policy.

Re:One in the same (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727880)

A private DRM crypto key embedded into your CPU is not security through obscurity.

Good luck trying to bypass it.

Re:One in the same (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727909)

dude, DRM is not security through obscurity. its security through "you don't have an electron microscope to read the bits of the private hardware crypto key!"

Re:One in the same (1)

quinxy (788909) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727886)

Being aware of what technology exists, could exist, or will exist is not akin to endorsing or even using any of that technology. I do not advocate or practice piracy. But, I know what's going on in the world, and I can guess as to what will go on. And those are appropriate responses to the article posted.

Re:One in the same (4, Insightful)

janbjurstrom (652025) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727993)

I'm not sure one can say stream ripping equals piracy. Is it? I recall recording a lot of radio shows on old, analog c-60 tapes a couple of decades ago. Quite the 10-year old 'pirate'...

Anyway, I see no difference between the two (as there are none), and sorry, I don't see it as piracy to record a radio broadcast (or TV broadcast).

But then, my moral fibre was probably corrupt even in my pre-teens..

Re:One in the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727938)

haha by the time the next Windows comes out in 2009 LINUX will have taken over the desktop in government and schools and at work and home. it will be too late to force everyone to swtich over to trusted computing because microsoft wont be the leader that everyone follows anymore.

oh, and mark my words, MSFT stock will be dropped from the DOW 30 before 2010.

Re:One in the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728096)

...I lean towards the IP owners because thats all America has to sell or own anymore, and needs it to keep its tech lead. All the real work gets done in other countries.

And when those other countries don't accept our DRM or our copyright legislation, I guess America's fucked, huh? If IP ownership is such a great advantage in the global marketplace, then competing countries have every reason to reject and/or circumvent copyright restrictions.

But they already do that. A lot of other countries really don't give a fuck about American copyright laws, and yet we still have a lead on them in technology. Either America has more to sell than IP, or recording a music stream from Napster doesn't have as profound an impact on the American economy as the RIAA would like you to believe.

Re:One in the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728171)

like you can no longer ripoff the stream from its rightful owner/licensor.

What the fuck? "rip off .... from the rightful owner"???? That's bullshit. We are talking about LEGAL streaming, and from there, timeshifting of the content is and should be perfectly legal. Just like VCRs (and Tivo etc) can store tv shows, similar tools should be perfectly legal with streaming audio.

Please, there's plenty enough unauthored copyright material copying (sometimes called "piracy", to get other connotations) going on; do not try to imply this is the case here when it is clearly not.

Re:One in the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727921)

One and the same. Idiot.

Re:One in the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728209)

Since it's a real time stream, bandwidth clogging, etc., will cause delays in the stream. If you are trying to record this, the quality will not as good as a file using TCP to make sure all of the file is transferred.

Re:One in the same (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728264)

I thought when they said "real mp3s" they meant "real music" and not whatever is streaming on napster.
I say that because i'm pretty sure that over 95% of my mp3 collection is things that don't appear on napster. :)

The real question is... (4, Insightful)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727705)

The real question is "are the students going to share their 'legit' mP3s with Kazaa"????

Or simply will they "take orders" from outsiders???

DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727709)

Of course, the big question is "will they have DRM?"

Bah... (0)

maggeth (793549) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727719)

Napster... so 1999...
Next story?

Well THAT's a silly question. (4, Insightful)

Puls4r (724907) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727722)

Of course this won't help.

The university will not continue to purchase licenses once the "free donor" leaves. Other universities will not follow their lead.

It's pretty simply - eventually, we will all be tied to an IP adress the same way we're tied to a street address, a telephone number, a license plate, and a credit card number. We will "own" that IP address through the use of our login / password so that we can be tracked just as we are in every other aspect of life.

Re:Well THAT's a silly question. (2, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727865)

We will "own" that IP address through the use of our login / password so that we can be tracked just as we are in every other aspect of life.

Encrypted P2P networks like Freenet will just become more common.


Re:Well THAT's a silly question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727868)

We might be tied to an IP address, but with many projects such as JAP to provide proxy services, it limits how far we can be tracked. Plus, otehr countries may not follow suit. This is assuming the geeks of the world don't revolt and we even do get static IPs for all.

Re:Well THAT's a silly question. (1)

dustinbarbour (721795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727933)

Man.. Would a geek revolt be sweet or what? Geeks really do own the world.. in a figurative sense, anyway. I know that in my own little geek domain, I could seriously damage over 500 businesses here in my city with a simple

/home/bookkeeping/% rm- rf *

We geeks hold more power in our hands than people may realize. Hell, our office flooded about a year ago which resulted in complete data loss (boss-man wouldn't take my recommendations on storing our data servers off of the floor..

But back to the topic at hand.. "Illegal" MP3s are here to stay. The cat is out of the bag and no amount legislation will put it back in there.

Re:Well THAT's a silly question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727968)

that's fine that the-power-that-be expect to track ip addresses.

this creates a huge market for encrypted connections to anonymizing service providers.

an industry born to totally render useless all that tracking infrastructure.

Too bad (5, Interesting)

ArsonPanda (647069) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727723)

Napster uses DRM'd .WMV files. If it wasn't for that I probably would subscribe to their service. And I'd be pissed if I went to school there. I'm already tired of all these fees I'm paying at my school, like parking fees when I don't drive, athletic fees when I don't play any sports here, etc etc... now an MP3 fee? bah.

school fee's... (3, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727816)

i agree with you. and some of those fees should not be allowed. for example, the athletic fee. doesn't the athletic department make money off the football games and sports? why pay a coach millions of dollars at the college level? is it a sports vocational school or a university?

my school had a $1 charge per credit hour, that went to a scholarship fund for minority students. nobody bothered to ever ask about it. so i decided to ask, and the school said it went to black and hispanic students to pay their tuition. i had to work a job while in college. i told them i did not want to pay that fee, and they looked at me like i was a racist. why don't they not automatically charge those fees but ask if you are interested in contributing instead.

while i understand that collective buying by the entire student body can drastically lower prices of certain services, should students have a right to say if they want to be included? or is there some special payment made to school officials, some dirty agreements? i can't help but wonder as i walk down the halls of a college that only offers pepsi products in vending machines, at the cost of $1 a can, $1.35 for a plastic bottle? i guess they need the revenue to pay the administrators their $200,000 a year salary.

Re:school fee's... (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727841)

You're forgetting profs - in Canada at any rate, professors with tenure start off with ~$70,000 CAD, and there's a heck of a lot more professors than administrators. Otherwise I completely agree with you - why pay $1.75 for a 600mL coke when I can go to Walmart and get 2L for $0.94?

Re:school fee's... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728150)

Because the bus ride to walmart costs $2.50?

Re:school fee's... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728244)

Is your 'Shift' key broken.. or somthing?

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727939)

WMA. Idiot.

Re:Too bad (1)

crmsndude (640858) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727948)

An incoming freshman will be paying $46,000 a year for tuition,fees, room & board for the next four years (the cost is locked in for four years at a time so people don't complain about annual tuition hikes). Do you think they're going to notice the effect anymore than GW's $50 "voluntary library gift?" (which you can opt out of, nbot into).

GW Colonial, Class of 2002.

Re:Too bad (2, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727976)

I would think that being pissed would include the fact that the donor was anonymous. It seems to me there could be a great deal of conflict of interest here with an "anonymous donor" underwriting the first year of this service. What do you want to bet about who the "anonymous donor" is? How much do you want to bet that there is a significant conflict of interest?

And this is going to be the answer? Right.... (5, Insightful)

fordgj (522469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727726)

Go walk around a college campus. Count the the people with iPods. OK, now tell me if this is really going to solve the 'problem.' They'd be better of getting a discount rate for students at the iTMS.

Re:And this is going to be the answer? Right.... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727784)

Something tells me the number of students with systems that run windows is much higher than the number of students with an ipod.

Re:And this is going to be the answer? Right.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727800)

Wow, that was a really dumb comment.

1) Insightful and boring
2) Dumb and funny
3) Insightful and funny
4) Dumb and boring

In the future please pick something other than number 4.

Re:And this is going to be the answer? Right.... (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728003)

Probably, but the iTMS works with both. It also happens to be the only (legitimate) download service that currently works with Windows and Mac OS.

Don't forget iTunes sharing (5, Insightful)

ryochiji (453715) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728078)

In my dorm, everybody put their music into iTunes and turned on sharing so we had some 70,000+ tracks available for streaming on the network. In that kind of environment, I don't think a paid streaming service like the one GWU plans on offering will be appreciated.

gwu/linux? (3, Funny)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727728)

I can't be bothered to RTFA. What's a gwu?

Re:gwu/linux? (2, Funny)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727737)

Duh! Our President, George W. Ush!

Re:gwu/linux? (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728109)

> Duh! Our President, George W. Ush!

I'm George Ush, and I approved this message.

Re:gwu/linux? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727738)

George Washington University... a private college located in the D.C. area.

Re:gwu/linux? (1)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727754)

George Washington University

Re:gwu/linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727842)

George Washington, is that a place?

Re:gwu/linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727911)

It was a guy, and, unless they paved a road with his remains, it's not a place.

Re:gwu/linux? (1)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728020)

Must have been a well kewl dude to have a University name after him. Wasn't he great in 'The Bone Collector'. Didn't realise he was dead, a truly gifted man.

Re:gwu/linux? (5, Funny)

maskedbishounen (772174) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727791)

It is very dark...

You are likely to be eaten by a Gwu. ...wait...

Re:gwu/linux? (2, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728056)

GWU is NOT Unix.

Re:gwu/linux? (2, Funny)

tim_mathews (585933) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728148)

Shouldn't that be GWU was Unix?

And What About all the Other Traffic? (5, Interesting)

INMCM (209310) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727743)

This will have no affect on the massive amounts of Divx movies and warezd Software. After living "on campus" in the dorms for three years now, I'm pretty sure that movies and warez are a way bigger bandwith issue than mp3s. Albums are small and quick to download in 20 mins. Movies and software (games especially), on the otherhand, are often gigs and gigs of data to have to pull down and can take hours. This will help very little in the long run.

Re:And What About all the Other Traffic? (1)

INMCM (209310) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727753)

and I make myself look retarded by using the wrong affect/effect. Damn

Re:And What About all the Other Traffic? (1)

Pfhor (40220) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727855)

Actually, what i've seen in a college campus is that the movie ripping / softwarez scene is almost always done by a few students, who then setup shares that the rest of the campus access, here at Bucknell, students will pass around smb paths and watch the movies from that, and of course, there is the pre summer ritual of downloading every movie off of everyone elses machine and burning them to cds so they can watch them over the summer. We even had a file server local to the university run by the students that distributed just about any file under the sun, but it had a horrible gui interface. All I think the campus needs is a custom gnutella client meant to operate inside the school network with a local tracker (run by students of course) since the student fileserver was run by rich as kid with a massive terabyte raid setup. Pretty much we just need a searchable interface for all of the smb / windows shares, which is around, but no one has setup a concise server for it.

Steam Ripping programs (1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727752)

All the stream ripping programs are awful at figuring out two different songs. A file will start with the end of "Lets Get Retarded" go on to the main song "In The Zone", then you get the stupid DJ who no one cares about, then you get the first few seconds of "Crazy in Love".

Plus the bit rates for streams are awful, 128 kbp/s, which anyone with even a 20 buck soundsystem can tell is horrible. You lose the bass and the trebles and all the stuff in the middle is whacked.

I did that for about 3 weeks and I would start up my music and all I would get is a whacked sound file. I just went back to bittorrent (for albums) and Kazaa Lite for songs. I ended up just DELETING my whole collection of ripped songs beause it was just not worth it. I am now very happy with Kazaa Lite and Bittorrent.

Addictionware... (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727761)

Hear all the music while you're enrolled... then lose access to everything you downloaded unless you pay full rate when you leave.

Bit or a waste (5, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727762)

If I was going to donate something to an institute of education a music downloading service would not be it.

Re:Bit or a waste (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727978)

Donor was probably either napster or a member of the RIAA, if not them directly. They are trying to do the old drug pusher's tactic of "the first one's free."

What they don't get is that we've all already had the first one for free, and the second one and many more for free. They are too late.

Is it just me? (3, Insightful)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727764)

I persume the students at GWU pay tution (as many US students do). Do they really want their money to go to a commercial company distributing music over the Internet? Shouldn't that money go into making their education the best that their money could buy?

I think that if GWU have a problem with illegal downloading of music they should use traffic shaping instead.

This message was brought to you from a drunk fart from Old Europe.

I apologize for my spelling mistakes.

Re:Is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727792)

I think tuition is around 30K a year there, so the students (or their parents) can afford it.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

jb_02_98 (636753) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727830)

I agree with you. I think it even stretches farther than that. Even in public high schools, our tax money is mis-used. Traffic shaping is good, or putting up rules and regulations with enforcement works better. Traffic shaping would kill off even the legit sharers. I use p2p all the time for moving ISO's or finding differant files for my linux machine. It bugs me to no end when my rights are infringed to target a larger group. They should keep good enough track of their own network that they can find the offenders and enforce rules. Throwing more money at the problem won't solve it.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

Draknor (745036) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728188)

No offense to you, but what "right" of your's are they infringing upon? Traffic-shaping (as I understand it, not being a sysadmin) is a hell of a lot quicker & cheaper to setup than printing up "rules & regs", posting them, finding offenders, and dealing out punishments.

While I don't agree with "quash the minority for the sake of the majority" principle in general, for schools in this particular type of situation, I think there's no realistic alternative. I think there are legitimate uses for P2P, but that trying to separate legit from illegit uses is 1) Not trivial, 2) Expensive (because of #1), 3) Not a significant factor in the quality of education for a school's students.

Just my $0.02....

i can't believe it... (3, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727767)

but the first year trial of the service has been donated by an anonymous donor

i would not be suprised if this anonyous donor was napster itself, trying to set a precedent so other schools will subscribe. i can't help but think of the stripped down version of windows microsoft is peddeling in asia, or how they give out free copies of its operating system once a government decides to go open source.

But GWU officials are turning to the Napster service less as a means of wooing prospective students than as a way to tackle the technological and ethical crises posed by the downloading revolution

since when did this turn into a "crisis"? once again, the rhetoric is being rased by the same people who want to take away your right to back up music, share music, or make copies. the same people who illegally inflated the price of cd's, to which they were sued and lost. since they lost in the courthouse, they have been buying politicians in the congress. am i wrong? didn't they hire senator orin hatch's son?

Although the subscriptions will allow them to listen to as much music as they want for free through their computers, they will have to pay 99 cents for any song they copy onto a compact disc or portable music player

are you kidding me? can't people already buy music for 99 cents a song anywhere else? what are they paying for?

it looks like GWU got raped.

Re:i can't believe it... (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727807)

want to take away your right to back up music,
share music, or make copies.
I love how you slip the questionable one in between the two that aren't.

am i wrong? didn't they hire senator orin hatch's son?
What relevance does this have to anything? Even if that's true, did the senator have anything to do with this deal?

what are they paying for?
Uh -- they're paying for a way to recieve legal music that they can play on their computers. Your objection doesn't make much sense.

Re:i can't believe it... (2, Interesting)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727838)

What relevance does this have to anything? Even if that's true, did the senator have anything to do with this deal?

senator hatch is the one who sponsered the legislation to take away everyones rights to share music. hiring his son is a valid critisism. there is a conflict of interest. we don't let senators work for lobbying firms when they leave congress for the first few years, so why would we let their children work as lobbyists. seems unethical. who would be a greater influance in how a senator votes? a former senator selling them on some legislation, or their own children who's salary depends on what their father does?

Re:i can't believe it... (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727918)

First off, hiring somebody's son does not neccessarily indicate a conflict of interest. (I'm assuming that it's true, but I can't find any evidence with a google search -- so I remain doubtful.) His son is an adult, and has the right to work for whoever he wants. If you want to claim that there is a conflict of interest, you have to show a stronger connection. Vague claims won't cut it.

Secondly, I still don't see a connection between anything Senator Hatch has done and this deal. Unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material, which is what this is supposed to help prevent, was illegal long before he came on the scene.

Re:i can't believe it... (1)

VertigoAce (257771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727920)

The monthly subscription is just for streaming audio and downloading tracks for offline listening while you are still a member.

It's definitely a trade-off (which is why they let you purchase music without being a member). However, if you don't use a portable player (when every student has a laptop, the need for portable players drops a bit) and you listen to more than one new album a month, the subscription is worth it. You have the choice of unlimited content for a limited time ($10/month) or limited content for an unlimited time ($1/track).

one solution: (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727768)

SSH tunnel to a connection less likely to be monitored.

It's what I'm gonna do.

Re:one solution: Arkansas! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727853)

Come all you Missouri gals and listen to my noise
Never you marry an Arkansas boy
If you do, I'll tell you what it'll be
Cold cornbread, molasses and sassafras tea (2)

When you go a-courting I'll tell you how to dress
A buckskin hinting shirt and this is the best
An old flop hat with more brim than crown
An old pair of shoes with the heals run down

The first thing he does whenever he goes in
He takes a chew of tobacco and he slobbers on his chin
The first thing he says whenever he sits down,
"Madam aint your johnny-cake a-baking too brown.

They milk a little brindle cow and sling it in a gourd
They put it in a corner and cover with a board
Some gets little and some gets none
And this is the way that the Arkansas is run

An old board roof and a puncheon floor
And old pole bedstead, and oak-board door
Sleeping on the slats with a handful of straw
Trying to get along with my mother-in-law

An old blind mule and an old milk cow
A razorback hog and a bull-tongue plough
He had his polk salad and his sassafras tea
But the Arkansas Sheik is a mystery to me

Now I've sung you all my song and I guess you're glad its through
The Arkansas Sheik is a feeling kind of blue
He got drunk and he took him to town
Cause the Arkansas girls turned his damper down

Re:one solution: Arkansas! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727870)

this is brilliant. anyone have a link to the mp3 of this?

Re:one solution: (1)

base3 (539820) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727904)

But then you're paying for bandwidth twice, assuming you're talking about SSHing to a cable/DSL ISP off-campus. That, and if your school really does have Network Nazis (TM) running the show, do you really think you're going to be able to move gigabytes of encrypted data without having your activities scrutinized, and even your machine looked over?

Re:one solution: (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728087)

> That, and if your school really does have Network Nazis (TM) running the show, do you really think you're going to be able to move gigabytes of encrypted data without having your activities scrutinized, and even your machine looked over?

Yes. Their little protocol analyzers have trouble peering into SSH connections. So they don't get a little email saying that you're doing something illegal. And if they do get to your machine (which they can't; they're not the police), they're not going to have the encryption key that you used to encrypt your movies. Right?

Trust me, encryption takes the power away from the authorities and gives it back to the users. Whether that's a bad thing (which you obviously think), is irrelevant. Encryption is real, and it's powerful.

Quality? Access? (4, Interesting)

izx (460892) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727771)

Is this high-bitrate, CD-quality audio that will be streaming? If not, then this scheme will have limited effect, particularly among the non-Britney listener crowd. Besides, unless the university has Napster servers onsite or something, or maybe uses bandwidth shaping to give the Napster streams the highest priority, with people downloading other stuff all the time, the stream will probably be interrupted from time to time. To me, and to others too I'm sure, there is nothing more annoying than a stream that breaks up...even if it's only once every 10 songs.

Also, what about those who'd prefer to use their own "system" to listen to their music? This covers the gamut from those using alternative OS's to those who simply prefer a particular player (Winamp, Foobar2000, etc.). If this is a Windows-only, WMP/Proprietary Player-only scheme, it definitely isn't going to be all that popular.

Lastly, what about portables? Can you put one copy of a song on a portable of your choice?

There's too many imponderables with this scheme, and if it's typically restricted streaming (which I think it'll be, with Napster the source), then the best this thing can hope to be is a very fast preview for songs that people will want to buy/download.

What's The Point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9727779)

Napster is dead, but the corpse is still twitching.

Yeah freakin right (5, Informative)

Southpaw018 (793465) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727783)

I go to Penn State, the first of the schools to strike a deal with Napster and bend over and let the RIAA take them up the...well, you know. Anywho, you get like, no songs. If you like -anything- other than what's on the radio, and sometimes even that, then your tracks will be marked "buy only" even with a Napster Premium account. Napster sucks. They claim to have 700k tracks...too bad I've had the service for half a year and only found 24 worth downloading.

Re:Yeah freakin right (1)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727815)

Off-topic but check out the new kiosk machines in the hub, they replaced 3 perfectly functioni iMacs with 3 dual 2.0 GhZ G5s with 17" Apple monitors. Just another example of our school wasting money, that is $6k in excess of buying 3 eMacs easily.

Re:Yeah freakin right (1)

base3 (539820) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727898)

And if they didn't replace them, someone else would be bitching that they're collecting technology infrastructure fee money and not giving the students anything for it.

Re:Yeah freakin right (1)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727955)

Heh, well those g5s could have went to better use somewhere else. A science lab, or even a general computer lab where people may be doing more than just checking their email real quick.

Re:Yeah freakin right (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728004)

What type of uplink do they have? Could the be used as part of an xgrid setup?

Re:Yeah freakin right (1)

foidulus (743482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728033)

I'm not sure, the things are just sitting locked in a wooden cabinent beneath the little kiosk. I doubt they are being used for grid computing, but I could be wrong. I'm not really sure what grids if any we actually use on campus.

Very good idea . . (5, Insightful)

Jaffanator (677358) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727786)

While some technically savvy students (read: /.ers) will continue to use other means to get DRM-free mp3's and movies, most college students would be content to listen to their favorite music off the Napster streaming service. Once the administration tells them it is okay and even probably helps them install the software the ease of use trumps everything else for the average college student.

Don't most college students use portables though? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728194)

I'm not sure it will help that much, if you have to be at the computer - I think college kids are mostly out and about and not often glued in front of a computer.

I dunno (1, Insightful) (797729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727812)

I honestly dont think this will help at all with the P2P downloads.. I mean why pay for it, when you can have more for free? They keep coming up with all these things to try to "defer" p2p, when in reality its just drving people to it! The whole reason p2p is being used, is to aviod paying for files, so, this kinda defeats the purpose of it, don't you think?

For those not keeping track... (3, Insightful)

Gogl (125883) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727834)

...this seems to be almost exactly the same as the deals Napster has made with Penn State [] and the University of Rochester [] . As such, this story in and of itself doesn't really raise any truly new questions, it just proves that this Napster-university deal thing is likely to keep expanding.

And the reason is quite simple: universities are just covering their collective legal asses. It may not be the best way to do it (I go to UR and let the administration know that I felt a deal with iTunes would be superior, although even then I'd be skeptical that it would be used), but they're not doing this because they think it's really right or a good idea in and of itself. It's a simple cost/risk sort of calculation: the cost of this deal is like an insurance policy against the risk of lawsuits. Simple enough.

Re:For those not keeping track... (5, Interesting)

BoFiS (185779) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727990)

Yeah, I go to the University of Rochester also, and the only reason they, and Penn State even struck these deals is because UR's Provost, Charles Phelps, and PSU's president, both serve on the Technology Task Force of the Joint Committee [] along with members of the MPAA and RIAA. Oddly enough, Dave Lambert, Vice President & CIO of Georgetown University, is also on this committee (see link).

The Napster offering is lame, the students cannot use it from home, nor can they play the teathered tracks without being connected to the network and logged into Napster. The streaming quality of 96kbps is pathetic, and most new albums and additions are buy-only, making the service almost completely useless. I'd rather listen to internet radio at a higher bitrate. As far as limmited network traffic, it probably does work, because those people who would use Kazaa anyway would maybe like it, and since each school then buys a RAID array Napster Server to host the service on-site, less people will be wasting my bandwidth :-)

But what about after the introductory period? (4, Interesting)

oostevo (736441) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727875)

But what happens after the introductory period? I remember another university that tried to have students pay a mandatory "MP3 Fee" with their tuition for access to Napster because they figured that they'd download music anyway. Needless to say, that wasn't very popular with the students there. I hope GWU doesn't follow suit.

Irony (2, Insightful)

telstar (236404) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727883)

Anybody else see the irony in all of this? The education market used to be Apple's bread and butter when it came to Apple IIe's and other computers. Looks like Napster is trying to adopt that strategy when it comes to the music industry. Personally, I don't think the same strategy will work.

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728073)

The education market was Apple's bread and butter because their machines were solid, well-built, compatible with hundreds (possibly thousands?) of programs, and also, easy to use. There were no BSOD's on an Apple IIe. No complex learning curves. Occasionally, disk drives and disk failures, but those could be remedied with a rule of backing up software, and keeping spare disk drives and cleaning kits around.

If you were the curious sort that wanted to know what made programs tick, you could easily drop into BASIC, type a few lines of code, and try your luck. No risk of damaging machines or data.

And now? Dell machines with XP. I wouldn't exactly call that a huge leap in usability.

Am I the only one who misread the title? (2, Funny)

Airw0lf (795770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727935)

For a minute there I thought Napster had struck a deal with GNU!

yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728088)

yes, you are the only one.

Why? (5, Insightful)

Cavio (217880) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727972)

How on earth does this contribute to the academic experience? Or are universities just turning into semi-adult daycare with toys and music and diversions to keep the MTV generation from having to actually THINK for a change?

Shoot me, shoot me NOW.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

ky11x (668132) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728213)

That is not the fault of the universities, you know? It's the students who are demanding these things and acting as if they were "customers" of their education experience. The universities, in order to compete, will have to cave in and provide "entertainment." That's what happens when you make everybody go to college, they turn into daycare.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728239)

And getting to/from school. My ancestors (early 19th cent.) walked 15 kilometers to school, then 15 clicks back. Pampered brats, these contemporary 'scholar' weaklings. No effort I tell you. "Lunch"?!, why these bloody wimps... they should be studying, not eating!

Welcome to Ye Olde Curmudgeon Society, btw! ;)

Circular Acronymns - GWU stands for... (2, Funny)

GreenHairedDave (544276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9727988)

GWU is Without Unix!

Re:Circular Acronymns - GWU stands for... (1)

aoe2bug (625814) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728089)

i thought it was a recursive acronymn.

What?!! (2, Insightful)

sockonafish (228678) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728007)

How is this going to help any University with their p2p related issues? Schools aren't legally liable for the trading of illegal files any more than any other ISP would, their only concern is bandwidth costs.

Streaming music is going to cost more bandwidth than a downloaded music collection (a legally, unshared collection), that's a no brainer.

Why is it that no brainers are so difficult for some people to understand, anyway? Do they have negative brains?

I dontated the service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728029)


thats's good! (1)

coddo (797894) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728039)

I think, than that in my opinion is very good, because you don't have to pey song like iPod but for bunch of them... ;]

What a perverse society you are building (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728041)

where commercial companies come into schools and market their products directly to children, is there anywhere left in America free of sales pitches ?

kids should be suing companies for exploiting minors, still i guess as far as control is concerned better to have a society uninformed than informed, who else is gonna fight rich peoples arguments in Iraq/Iran et al
lemmings come to mind

My Alma Mater did what?! (3, Interesting)

skrysakj (32108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728074)

And I went to the engineering school too (CompSci.) Sad to see they went with Napster instead of, say, iTunes or something better. The engineering school knew better, looks like they never consulted them though. Streaming audio? Ugh...
Is it me or did this come out of nowhere?
I guess donating money really has influence (no, it wasn't me who did it).

Then again, GW has done this before. They aligned Pepsi, can't find a single Coke on campus, have to go to the nearby Watergate or even further to get one. They also put fridges and microwaves in every freshmen room, and you had to ask to remove it or they'd automatically charge you. Not sure if they still do that, it's been 5 years or so since I was there.

The network on campus was quite good, they even had fiber optic installed in most dorms. So, I don't doubt the sharing of files in campus is quite rampant, and it will no doubt continue.

Re:My Alma Mater did what?! (3, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728246)

"Sad to see they went with Napster instead of, say, iTunes or something better."

It's because Apple isn't offering the schools anything. If you think Napster's taking advantage of them, you should see Apple's offer:

"Let us advertise on your campus and you can bear our bandwidth costs with an on-campus server! FREE!"

I was _at_ the meeting with Apple when they were talking to our school. The non-techies at the meeting had a similar opinion of the proposed offer. If you think Napster2 is screwing schools, you've never seen what Apple is pushing - something that gives them free advertising, costs the school money, and has zero chance of doing anything about the overall problem.


Sure, people will use it (4, Insightful)

ThousandStars (556222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728108)

But I suspect that the downsides of Napster will quickly become apparent. The service will be practically useless at home, on airplanes or during travel, and it will also not be transferrable to portable music players, particularly the most popular portable player [] .

In addition, I think a fair number of students use p2p applications to find songs they can't find elsewhere -- live cuts, unknown bands and other miscellaneous tracks they can't find anywhere else. The GWU officials may misunderstand the very demographic they try to serve.

Then there's the problem of alternative platforms. From the Napster website: "PC only, Windows XP/2000, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.1 or higher, Windows Media Player 7.1 or higher..." No thanks. I'll take my Powerbook and find music elsewhere.

Add to that the lack of ability to burn songs to CD and the ease of most p2p networks, as well as simply ripping CDs, and I think that GWU is burning its money.

Others have pointed to the availability of stream ripping software, and I suspect that such software will quickly become widespread and popular. I'm sure students, particularly the Comp Sci ones, will find ways around the system.

gwu/napster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9728111)

Being a GWU student, can't say I'm thrilled, but then always can use edonkey and then say you jsut mixed those two up Q=0)

Solves What Problem? (4, Insightful)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728231)

The big issue with downloading at my alma mater (PSU) was that it ate up bandwidth. (Or at least that's what they claimed.) Students doing real research didn't have the speeds to do it with.

Streaming doesn't solve this problem, it just exacerbates it. Would you prefer a kid downloading 100 MP3s in 2 hours or streaming those MP3s for 5 hours?

Is this supposed to cover the university's ass? I don't see how. If they make the kids sign agreements not to use the connection to break laws, they've effectively absolved themselves from any liability. And without forcing kids into DRM-hell.

So what problem does this solve, exactly? The problem of finding money for pay increases.

I'd be furious. (4, Interesting)

Pendersempai (625351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9728243)

If I were a student at GWU, I'd be furious at the administration.

It's not the college's job to enforce the law. They don't have to follow me when I walk into a store to make sure I don't shoplift. They don't have to monitor my financial transactions (even if I make them on a university computer) to ensure I don't commit securities fraud. And they certainly don't need to spend MY TUITION DOLLARS so that I don't infringe on some corporation's copyrights.

Add into the mix that they're spending my money on proprietary formats with proprietary DRM, supporting companies and causes I universally revile, and I'd frankly prefer they spent the money dumping feces in the center of campus.

Oh -- and a college education is DAMN EXPENSIVE these days. We're talking $40,000 every year. For four years, that's $160,000. And it's increasing steadily by about 5% per year. College tuition absolutely drains all but the very wealthy. It's only barely tolerable when you can convince yourself that that money is being spent on education. But the idea of spending my family's sweat, blood, and tears on nothing more than MAKING COPYRIGHT BARONS HAPPY is just insane. I'd be furious.
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