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iPod Generation 4 Released

Hemos posted about 10 years ago | from the maybe-i'll-buy-one...and-a-beemer dept.

Media (Apple) 619

I_am_Rambi writes "According to MSNBC "The considerably tweaked fourth-generation iPod will roll out this week, and Newsweek got an advance peek. It looks a bit different, operates more efficiently, has a few more features and costs less. Here are the highlights...." Improved battery life, upto 12 hours, a click wheel, more efficient menus, multiple on the go play list, and probably one of the best changes is a lower price. $399 (down from $499) for a 40 gig, $299 (down from $399) for a 20 gig, and there are no 15 gig versions." And you can read Apple's iPod site for the full details.

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619 comments

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737182)

First Post!

FREE IPODS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737248)

If you want a free generation 3 IPOD, visit this site:
http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=7112 479 [freeipods.com]

I'd recommend choosing the ancestry.com link since you can cancel it right after signing up. Use a junk e-mail address since they'll spam you :)

I, Pod (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737184)

Anyone seen "I, Pod" - the movie?

considerably tweaked? (-1, Troll)

Tetsugaku-San (717792) | about 10 years ago | (#9737189)

"considerably tweaked" my arse, they've just sorted out the atrocious battery life that should have been dealt with years ago. Bring on the decent player that also has decent (IE not white . . . ) earphones, or canal phones at a preferance.

Re:considerably tweaked? yes (4, Insightful)

adzoox (615327) | about 10 years ago | (#9737233)

There are on the go playlists and better backlighting + a new game. 6.5 hours is NOT atrocius - it's not great, but I have no other means of carrying that much music in that small and conveiniant/efficient package... and playing breakout, solitare ;) + holding all of my programs that I use in my daily Apple Technical service

Go to colorware [colorwarepc.com] if you need a color or just buy a mini that already has good battery life and comes in colors.

Or you could just go the cheap route and by one of the 100's of different protective skins.

Re:considerably tweaked? (4, Insightful)

Blondie-Wan (559212) | about 10 years ago | (#9737347)

The "atrocious battery life that should have been dealt with years ago" wasn't atrocious years ago; it was actually considered quite good, in fact (though those first- and second-gen iPods did have longer battery life than the third gen).

What's with your apparent assumption earphone color affects their quality?

Re:considerably tweaked? (4, Informative)

clarkcox3 (194009) | about 10 years ago | (#9737386)

Bring on the decent player that also has decent (IE not white . . . )

Yes, 'cause as we all know, the color of the earphones affects how they sound.

or canal phones at a preferance. [sic]

In-Ear earphones [apple.com] . Besides, it's just a standard headphone jack, you can plug in any pair of headphones you want.

20gb = no dock! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737190)

Notice that price cut with 20gb version was made by leaving dock out of the package.

Re:20gb = no dock! (2, Informative)

JHromadka (88188) | about 10 years ago | (#9737245)

Honestly, since Airport Express came out, I don't need the dock anymore. When I'm at home, I just stream from my Mac to my stereo using APX instead of having my iPod next to the TV.

Re:20gb = no dock! (5, Informative)

Mattb90 (666532) | about 10 years ago | (#9737276)

The carry case was also removed from both models to reduce the cost. Adding both back in to the 20GB model brings the price to £276.99 on the UK store (down from £299.99) and $377 on the US store (down from $399). A reduction, but not as significant as Apple make out.

Re:20gb = no dock! (4, Informative)

fyonn (115426) | about 10 years ago | (#9737317)

according to the tech specs (but not the store), the 40G one does have the carry case. still, the price in dollars converted to pounds is about £213 so quite a significant saving to be made if you can import one. sure the power plug is different, but a simple uk fig 8 cable can fix that.

dave

Re:20gb = no dock! (5, Informative)

joeykiller (119489) | about 10 years ago | (#9737285)

Ever since the day Apple started selling iPod models with several hard disk sizes, the low end model have always been sold without the dock. So this isn't new, but it may be confusing that the old "middle" model (20gb) now is the low end model.

Re:20gb = no dock! (3, Informative)

thaddjuice (235568) | about 10 years ago | (#9737341)

Notice that price cut with 20gb version was made by leaving dock out of the package.

The base model ($299) has _never_ had the dock, carry case, or remote. Now it's just that the base model is the 20GB.

ARRRGGGH. (0, Troll)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 10 years ago | (#9737194)

They REFUSE to give us an inexpensive iPod. Rather than drop the price of the 15GB, they simply cut it and leave the existing lowest price the same with a bigger disk.

Why do they refuse to offer an iPod for $200? They'd sell like hotcakes. Not everyone needs 40 freakin' gigs.

-Z

Re:ARRRGGGH. (1)

fitch609 (530352) | about 10 years ago | (#9737225)

I agree with you totally. I've been waiting for that to happen. I have tons of music but I definitely don't need a 40 gig ipod to put all that music on there because I don't even listen to most of it. Until the price comes down more, i'm just going to use my CLIE to play my MP3's. My 256mb card is plenty enough space to listen to music and it keeps me happy.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (-1)

5.11Climber (578513) | about 10 years ago | (#9737228)

I'm guessing that 15GB disks are getting harder to find.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (5, Insightful)

swordboy (472941) | about 10 years ago | (#9737229)

Why do they refuse to offer an iPod for $200?

Umm... Marketing?

The iPod is very successful. Right now, the people that are buying them are going to pay a premium. When this market is saturated, they can then sell lower priced versions. This is pretty straight forward economics.

I'll be one of the first to buy the cheap version that comes out around Christmas time.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (1)

Phekko (619272) | about 10 years ago | (#9737326)

I predict it'll be a long time before Christmas arrives, then

because... (4, Insightful)

nikster (462799) | about 10 years ago | (#9737231)

...they already sell like hotcakes?

Re:ARRRGGGH. (4, Insightful)

galaxy300 (111408) | about 10 years ago | (#9737232)

Because they're selling like hotcakes at the price point they're at already. Why undercut themselves? I'm sure they've spent quite a bit of time studying the market, and considering their earnings last quarter (61 million profit, much higher than expected) you probably shouldn't expect a price drop anytime soon.

If you're looking for a cheap iPod, check eBay.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737239)

News for you - iPods are selling like hotcakes as it stands. And an iPod that's even cheaper is probably below cost.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (1, Funny)

jacksonai (604950) | about 10 years ago | (#9737249)

Mmh, hotcakes /homer simpson

Re:ARRRGGGH. (0, Redundant)

Saven Marek (739395) | about 10 years ago | (#9737258)

Why do they refuse to offer an iPod for $200? They'd sell like hotcakes. Not everyone needs 40 freakin' gigs.

Look at it from apples point of view.

iPods already sell like hotcake at the profits their making.

The Nets Biggest Adult Anime Gallery's [sharkfire.net]

Re:ARRRGGGH. (5, Insightful)

shplorb (24647) | about 10 years ago | (#9737298)

Why do they refuse to offer an iPod for $200? They'd sell like hotcakes. Not everyone needs 40 freakin' gigs.

They're already selling like hotcakes, nimrod.

Q: Why would you drop the price on something that you already can't make enough of?

A: You're an idiot?

If this post offends you, it's because the truth hurts. Try saving up, it's how a lot of us can afford expensive items.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737327)

How much cheaper could a 15gb hard drive be than a 20gb hard drive? You probably can't make the 15gb version that much cheaper anyway.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (5, Insightful)

jcbphi (235355) | about 10 years ago | (#9737332)

In addition to the marketing aspects pointed out by other folks, let me remind you of the economics of marking these things.

Hard disks, such as those used in the iPod, have high fixed costs to produce. So while it may be possible to cram more bits in the same package as technology advances, its difficult to take an older, smaller disk and produce them cheaply. The single biggest cost in producing an iPod is the hard disk. QED, etc.

Also, given that iPods in all varieties have been selling like hotcakes from the start, why would Apple want to lower the price? Clearly lots of people are willing to pay the $300-$500...I know I was.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (2, Insightful)

BMonger (68213) | about 10 years ago | (#9737357)

It is possible that the components other than the hard drive cost X amount where X is more than $200. I have no clue if this is the case but... an iPod without a hard drive could cost $200 or more. Thus the reason there is no $200 iPod.

Re:ARRRGGGH. (4, Insightful)

Blondie-Wan (559212) | about 10 years ago | (#9737374)

Aside from the fact all iPods in general are already selling like hotcakes (as several others have pointed out), they're also selling the iPod mini, a 4 GB iPod that costs $249. What are they supposed to do, sell a full-size iPod with a higher capacity for $50 less??

Re:ARRRGGGH. (4, Insightful)

OmniVector (569062) | about 10 years ago | (#9737375)

everyone keeps replying to you saying it's because they're selling like hotcakes, or it's marketing, etc. bla bla..

sorry, the truth is it costs almost the same amount to make a 15gb hd as a 20gb. infact, i bet the difference is measurable in a few dollars. so what's your choice. offer a 15gb at $290 and 20gb at $300, or just a 20gb at $300? it's pretty simple which one apple's going to sell. until the manufacturing costs come way down on miniturized hard drives, it will pretty much be the same price for years to come.

Prediction (2, Funny)

GnuVince (623231) | about 10 years ago | (#9737195)

Slashdot nerds will complain that iPod's do not have OGG support and are thus evil and should never be purchased.

Re:Prediction (2, Insightful)

eddy (18759) | about 10 years ago | (#9737271)

Slashdot nerds will complain that iPod's do not have OGG support and are thus evil and should never be purchased.

No Vorbis support doesn't make it evil, just worthless (for me).

Re:Prediction (-1, Troll)

Domini (103836) | about 10 years ago | (#9737278)

When it comes to music I would sell my soul for good quality/bitrate.

OGG although free does not compete with MP3 (PRO) which in turn does not compete with AAC.

I'll go for Dolby AAC any day.

For some reason there has also been speculation regarding the processing power required to play OGG, although I think "they" say that the new 4th gen one should have no problem. (Although OGG creator maintains that even the older iPods should have been able to...)

Re:Prediction (3, Insightful)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 10 years ago | (#9737324)

That's what amuses me most about the whole OGG thing.

Considering that you're more likely to trip over a siberian tiger in Manhattan than to find an OGG file, the ability to play OGG is just an icing on the cake, and not really necessary in a portable music player.

Of course, if you're one of those overzealous people who compressed everything in their collection to ogg when the "MP3's are going to be illegal!!!#!##!##!!# WE MUST NOT USE IT!" craze of a few years ago, that's your problem. }:)

-Z

Re:Prediction (5, Funny)

BJH (11355) | about 10 years ago | (#9737297)

iPods do not have Ogg Vorbis support, making them evil. They should never be purchased.

There, happy now?

Re:Prediction (2, Insightful)

bgfay (5362) | about 10 years ago | (#9737333)

It's not that it's evil or that it should never be purchased, it's just that I don't want to buy a system that is very expensive and will lock me into a platform I don't want to use. If I could just hook the thing up to my machine and put my music on it, then fine. But I have concerns about the DRM, about having to use Mac or Windows, and about the price.

If you can believe it, I still don't have a portable music player other than my six year old cd player. (I'm one of three people in the US without some sort of modern music device). If the iPod came out in a less expensive model that would work with my Linux box, I would buy it. Plain and simple.

For now, I'll let others enjoy it and refrain from calling them evil unless they also support Bush.

Re:Prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737362)

actually it is an Apple product, therefore it will be purchased no matter what it is.

remember the cube.

Re:Prediction (1, Insightful)

Monkelectric (546685) | about 10 years ago | (#9737370)

You beat me to it :) I *want* ogg support. Is it *THAT* hard to do? No its not. Why won't they do it? Because like MS, Apple thinks they can tell me how to listen to my music.

Re:Prediction (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737400)

I wouldn't call them evil, but i can think of another reason not to buy an iPod.
This is the fourth generation of iPods and they still haven't designed a way to easily remove and replace the battery.
What does that tell you?

But really... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737198)

Does it play ogg?

as if there was any other feature that really mattered...

Editors, huh? (5, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 10 years ago | (#9737199)

And you can Apple's iPod site for the full details.

Nice job Hemos. Sentences should a main verb.

Re:Editors, huh? (1, Funny)

bs_testability (784693) | about 10 years ago | (#9737223)

I certainly

Re:Editors, huh? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737260)

You must be new here.

Re:Editors, huh? (5, Funny)

BJH (11355) | about 10 years ago | (#9737292)

Yeah, I thought so too at first, but then I went to Apple's site.
On the right-hand side, it says "iPod your BMW.", so I guess 'iPod' is a verb.
Maybe Taco and Hemos have just been speaking some sort of future English all along. They're time travellers from the year 2100AD, trying to fit in with our primitive society, and the only ones in our time advanced enough to communicate in their language are Apple...

Re:Editors, huh? (1)

HaloZero (610207) | about 10 years ago | (#9737296)

Significant other talks like that a lot. Confuses the hell out of me. And then she gets frusterated with me because I don't understand her. *sigh*

Oh, topic. Right. Well, I've already got an iPod, I love it, I don't care about the new ones. I think the new design looks stupid, as I think the iPod mini looks stupid. It's 50 bucks less and not that 'mini'.

Stop improving on something that doesn't really need improvement (sans battery, mind you, but they don't need a full point release for that) or focus the improvement on something other than aesthetics. You've got the style DOWN run with it. Make it support OGG/CGI/Java/whatever the hell people want, and you'll have yourself a bloody free-for-all with peoples 'disposable income'.

Now make with the G5 PowerBooks before I have to go back to school.

Re:Editors, huh? (1)

barzok (26681) | about 10 years ago | (#9737344)

But verbing weirds words

Re:Editors, huh? (1)

foidulus (743482) | about 10 years ago | (#9737395)

Heh, the litle icon is also wrong too, iPods I guess can be considered a PDA, but the iPod has it's own little icon, why not use it?

They cost only $80 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737201)

..in Japan.

15gb (5, Interesting)

rbolkey (74093) | about 10 years ago | (#9737206)

I guess they had to get rid of it. With $100 drop across the table, they would have been cheaper than the minis. Unfortunately, my price point would have been the 15gb with the $100 drop.

Re:15gb (5, Insightful)

ODD97 (645414) | about 10 years ago | (#9737235)

Sadly, the cost to make a tiny hard drive like that doesn't go down. Capacities go up, but the expensive part is the actual physical hardware, not the capacity. I agree that I would have seriously considered getting a 15GB if it were dropped $100.

Re:15gb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737379)

check apple's refurb section. 15 GB new will probably be offered for $250 and a refurb for $200. if they still list them, you might be able to pick up a 10 GB new for $200 and refurbished for a bit less than that, even.

GNAA FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737207)

GNAA FP

battery (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737210)

Is the ipod battery user-replaceable? Or does it have one of those 'no user serviceable parts inside' warnings.

Re:battery (4, Informative)

Vollernurd (232458) | about 10 years ago | (#9737353)

It most certainly is and all you need is a small screwdriver (or guitar plectrum if you don't want to scratch it).

See iPod Battery.com [ipodbatery.com] for more info.

Firmware update (3, Interesting)

Saven Marek (739395) | about 10 years ago | (#9737213)

is their a firmware update to bring the new features to my older ipod??? battery life is down allot and its only 2 years old. It still works but not as well as it used to and an update to get 50% more battery life would bring mine back to a new state, if it is by working differently instead of new battery technology, which I doubt.

anyone?????

The Nets Biggest Adult Anime Gallery's [sharkfire.net]

Re:Firmware update (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737234)

There certainly is a firmware update, and in keeping with Apple's general update policy, it will only cost around $399. Now you can't ask much fairer than that.

Re:Firmware update (5, Informative)

jcostantino (585892) | about 10 years ago | (#9737262)

You can't magically 'get back' battery life. All rechargable battery cells have a finite amount of charge/discharge cycles until they start to lose capacity. You can do some googling and find companies that will sell you a new battery or replace it for you. There is always Apples' refurb program but it's the most expensive (although I believe you get a refurb unit instead of just a battery).

Apple will NEVER release firmware that upgrades older units to newer features unless it suits them. Example: Gen 1 and 2 iPods got ACC decoding but didn't get on the go playlists. They /could have/ done OTG playlists but that's one of the features seperating old from new.

Re:Firmware update (5, Insightful)

PhlegmMaster (596165) | about 10 years ago | (#9737304)

I wish!

I don't see any technical reason why things like multiple generated playlists, speed-variable playback and hearing the clicker through the headphones can't be done on current iPods.
However, the current update page [apple.com] seems to restrict those features the the newest model.

I wish Apple wouldn't try and alienate their older customers so much like this. With software, it isn't so bad since the investment usually isn't as large. But with firmware and hardware, the investment can be quite conciderable.

Re:Firmware update (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 10 years ago | (#9737349)

Yes I also want that update.
I've checked the iPod sofware update site [apple.com] and there's nothing about improved battery life on it. Danm!

The BBC article on this mentioned that apple improved battery life solely thrugh better firmware. Interesting. Sharp programming, or was the initial software ill-written bloat?

Re:Firmware update (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737402)

the improved battery life could be due to increased RAM. it used to be 32 MB. increasing that to 64 MB would cost marginally more for apple and would improve the battery life since HD will have to spin less often. in such a case, no firmware update will improve the battery life for older ones, of course...

Price (5, Informative)

prewashedironman (605517) | about 10 years ago | (#9737221)

The best bit about this i feel is that apples changed the exchange rate for the UK. In the USp the 20gb now costs what the 15gb did and the 40gb costs what the 20gb used to be. But in the UK we get the 20gb model for GBP30 cheaper than the 15gb model used to be(GBP220vs GBP250). Hurray for apple!

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

b06r011 (763282) | about 10 years ago | (#9737268)

exactly - now we only pay about £80 more than our state-side friends. lets be honest, it was getting a bit silly when, correct me if i am wrong, (and i am sure someone will as this is /.) you could buy in the US with the same number of dollars as pounds in the UK. (i.e. $400 or £400...)

does anyone think the drop in price is anything to do with the sucess of iTMS in europe? or is it just apple being nice to us?

Re:Price (2, Informative)

prewashedironman (605517) | about 10 years ago | (#9737318)

The $-£ conversion wasn't quite true, the prices used to be $299, $399, $499 for the 15gb, 20gb and 40gb respectively. The UK prices were £250, £300 and £400 for each. Not quite $1=£1, but not miles off.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737391)

Right and you can thank your own government for those prices instead of a conversion from dollars to pounds...

I pay 8.1% sales tax, the VAT for a computer or accessory seemed to be on the order of 40% or more...

european price markup - why? (4, Interesting)

davids-world.com (551216) | about 10 years ago | (#9737230)

the European version sells for 284 (370) Euros excluding sales tax (which is usually another 15-20 percent!). That is USD 353 plus tax. Why the markup?
Are there higher import taxes for electronics from Taiwan?

Or is the Eurpean market just considered not so competitive?

(Btw: Canon is doing that as well with their digital cameras. Really annoying!)

wake up (1)

Chep (25806) | about 10 years ago | (#9737329)

EVERYBODY's doing it. iRobot. Apple. Dell. Younameit.

We need a Structural Funds-subsided pricewatch.eu.int.

Re:european price markup - why? (1, Insightful)

brandonY (575282) | about 10 years ago | (#9737365)

One of the reason a lot of things, especially electronics, are more expensive in europe is that both the euro and the pound are beating our U.S. dollar into submission at the moment. In reverse, visiting America from England is like having a nationwide 50% off sale.

Not again... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737237)

Can you post this story once more in a couple of hours? I am busy and have no time to read comments right now...

here we go again (1, Flamebait)

chegosaurus (98703) | about 10 years ago | (#9737240)

blah blah no ogg blah blah too expensive blah blah clever marketing blah blah my rio etc etc etc.

But before we degenerate into that, can somebody kindly explain how the "click wheel" is different from the wheel on the 3G iPod?

Re:here we go again (4, Informative)

sammy baby (14909) | about 10 years ago | (#9737322)

The "click-wheel" is essentially the wheel from previous designs of the iPod, with little clicky buttons at the 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock positions. So, make the dialing motion for the wheel controls, press down for the buttons. I've never used one, but the people I've met who have tried both say they like the click-wheel better, which would explain the switch.

Re:here we go again (1)

chegosaurus (98703) | about 10 years ago | (#9737392)

Cool, thanks. For all the iPod's much vaunted ergonomics, I've never felt those buttons were ideally positioned. This sounds like a good idea, but it's hardly enough to tempt me to upgrade!

Re:here we go again (1)

Manuscript Replica (307437) | about 10 years ago | (#9737335)

The menu, play/pause, fast forward, and previous buttons are integrated into the wheel, rather than having those buttons separate from the wheel as in the 3G iPods. This design was introduced with the iPod minis.

Re:here we go again (1)

PhlegmMaster (596165) | about 10 years ago | (#9737351)

The buttons are integrated onto the wheel and they (including the 'select' button) requires a physical push down to select. I think that the design on how it works is also different (and less sensitive - a good thing).
This means that you can scroll and select in a single action without moving to the other buttons.

Re:here we go again (0, Redundant)

Vollernurd (232458) | about 10 years ago | (#9737381)

It clicks.

Considerably tweaked? (2, Informative)

nmg196 (184961) | about 10 years ago | (#9737242)

How is it "considerably" tweaked? It looks pretty much identical and few new features.

That's Great.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737254)

That's great and all, but it's still THREE HUNDRED dollars.. so i won't be buying one any time soon.

Cut that price in half, and I might consider it.

USB2 cable (4, Informative)

prewashedironman (605517) | about 10 years ago | (#9737257)

Interesting, both models now ship with USB2 cables as well as firewire. And free laser engraving for the time being. And, surprisingly for apple their both shipping in "2-4 days" in the UK and "1-2 days" in the USA. Very Exciting!

Putting a Pam III icon on the topic (4, Funny)

Lispy (136512) | about 10 years ago | (#9737261)

while there is a beautiful iPod [slashdot.org] icon is actually a bit weird, but hey, this is Slashdot.

Re:Putting a Pam III icon on the topic (1)

antic (29198) | about 10 years ago | (#9737299)


I can't remember, is the Pam III icon the one from before or after the breast reduction?

I know this is tenuous (2, Informative)

Will Fisher (731585) | about 10 years ago | (#9737265)

But stay with me.

If you have an ipod of whatever generation, then I highly recommend you get the winamp ipod plugin as made by yours truly.

<a href="http://mlipod.sf.net/">http://mlipod.sf.net/ </a>

Re:I know this is tenuous (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737311)

Who the fuck uses Winamp any more?

Re:I know this is tenuous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737385)

i do, winamp5 is the best player for windows.

Re:I know this is tenuous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737320)

Not to burst your bubble, but 99% of iPod users must be using iTunes.

Good for those in that 1% however.

Re:I know this is tenuous (2, Informative)

Will Fisher (731585) | about 10 years ago | (#9737331)

link correction: http://mlipod.sf.net [sf.net]

From CmdrTaco-is-always-right dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737272)


No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

OGG Vorbis, what does it take to get the support? (5, Interesting)

coe (31704) | about 10 years ago | (#9737283)

Taken directly from apple's spec sheet for the new ipod:

--
Audio formats supported: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 (32 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible, AIFF, Apple Lossless and WAV
--

I mean what does it take for us to get the OGG support into iPod? For 3 generations of this machine, one major target audiance of "switch" campaing has been unix users. We, the guys who support and now have started to love the new apple have begged for this support into iPod.

4th generation. And still no support. Lots of feedback sent, even on the official apple forums and nothing. Not even an official explanation why not.

How many generations this will take?

For example, I have over 110GB of music and other audio recorded in OGG format, rendering iPod totally useless for me. I did a quick "hey, whats your status" in my local university and situation was the same. iPod feels, looks and sounds too good to be true, everyone of us wants one. Expect for one big but.. where in the hell is the inhouse OGG support.

I know the problems with ARM processor inside iPod and lack of integer based OGG coded, but now that there is one (tremor) (http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/) and it's even in BSD license, I cant belive apple choose yet again to leave OGG support out of iPod.

Could someone please take a club and bash the ingorant iPod tech division to little pieces, since I and many like me, would pay huge sums for this support.

It could even be "silent" "no warranty" "not supported" type of deal, just could someone please answer why cant this one of the most advanced piece of modern consumer technology lack the most important feature..

OGG VORBIS - Support.

Re:OGG Vorbis, what does it take to get the suppor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737334)

They prolly figure that once the OGG VORBIS crowd gets this format support in iPods, some other crowd will come up with another standard and beg for it to be included too...

They cannot let the first domino fall!

No dock w/ the 20GB (0, Redundant)

eples (239989) | about 10 years ago | (#9737290)

Looks like the 20Gb is the new 15 - no dock.

Bought one anyway. And the dock separately for thirty somethin bucks.

Still not such a great deal (-1, Troll)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 10 years ago | (#9737293)

I love apple, and would love an iPod, but seeing as they still don't have a replaceable battery I'm still not interested in plunking down 300 bucks.

I don't know how useful dock is, since I've never used an iPod, but it does seem like a kick in the pants not to include it.

I think it's the battery that does it for me. I'd really like the ability to purchase another battery 2 years down the road and snap it in myself. (Much like I can with the propriatery battery for my digital camera)

When they solve that issue, they'll have my money.

Re:Still not such a great deal (4, Informative)

OmniVector (569062) | about 10 years ago | (#9737350)

I think i've had my ipod for like 2 or 3 years. I forgot. It was whenever the first $300 windows versions starting hitting the market. Anyways, my battery life is hardly any worse than when i bought it. Two brothers make a half-truth documentary and complain they couldn't figure out how to replace the battery themselves go and start that video/website (which did they mention they turned around and bought another $400 iPod right after?) which feeds the trolls for the next few years. Look, go take a peek at ipodbattery.com [ipodbattery.com] . For an operation you have to do once ever 2-3 (or maybe even MORE) years, i think holding off just because of a non replacable battery is stupid. i bet you'd get a new ipod just because's better within that span of time anyways, then ebay it for an extra $150 off your new iPod.

Re:Still not such a great deal (5, Informative)

yumyum (168683) | about 10 years ago | (#9737367)

seeing as they still don't have a replaceable battery


I have a Gen 1 iPod that I've used pretty much daily. Excellent device, but the battery is starting to go. Thought about retiring it and buying a new model, but then I Googled for a replacement battery and found one for $30. Comes with a clear and concise user's manual -- see here [macsales.com] . From the manual, looks pretty easy to drop in a new one, so I went ahead and ordered one.

Gapless playback? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9737310)

Can it now do gapless playback [pretentiousname.com] ? If not, I still won't buy one. I'm thinking about getting a Rio Karma though.

Champs Elysee is in Singapore???? (5, Funny)

natd (723818) | about 10 years ago | (#9737319)

From the product page on Apple.com.au;

"you could fly from Sydney to Singapore and still have hours of listening time left over as you stroll the Champs Elysée."

I think the Australian 'localisation team' need to do better than a find and replace of 'New York' & 'Paris'...

No dock? No carry case? wtf? (2, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 10 years ago | (#9737323)

I love apple, and would love an iPod, but seeing as (in adittion to no dock or carry case!)they still don't have a replaceable battery I'm still not interested in plunking down 300 bucks.

I don't know how useful dock is, since I've never used an iPod, but it does seem like a kick in the pants not to include it. Carry cases get used all the time I'm sure, it's a shame those are excluded.

I think it's the battery that does it for me. I'd really like the ability to purchase another battery 2 years down the road and snap it in myself. (Much like I can with the propriatery battery for my digital camera)

When they solve that issue, they'll have my money.

Re:No dock? No carry case? wtf? (5, Informative)

jt23 (649748) | about 10 years ago | (#9737384)

you CAN replace the batteries yourself -- for $30 - $50. http://www.ipodbattery.com/

Man! (3, Funny)

caldroun (52920) | about 10 years ago | (#9737364)

I just got a 15g for my Wife for her birthday earlier this month.

Damn you Jobs!
(Ok... the one I got is still cool, though)

I, Pod (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 years ago | (#9737388)

The story of a new generation of personal music players which takes over peoples brains, until tough cop Will Smith shuts them all down.

Rated [R] for "Rip Off"

Where is the radio (AM/FM)? (3, Insightful)

tc1970 (744957) | about 10 years ago | (#9737404)

Too bad...there is still no radio on the new iPod. I refuse to buy any portable music device without built-in radio. Remember the black out from last year? I think AM/FM is a must-have life-saving feature. Mr. Job, are you listening? I wonder how many of you agree?

thanks to apple (5, Insightful)

nighty5 (615965) | about 10 years ago | (#9737406)

for bringing their products to the masses.

Now its cool to own mac stuff, and not as geeky. When im podding down the street I get stopped by common folk, conversations are struck and I'm meeting new people all from a little white music device.

"oh I want one of those, whats yours" - is all thats said until a conversation is struck.

I have a 3rd gen ipod, and very happy with it. I wont bother with a mini, or the 4th because mine is going great guns.

Some would say expensive, but if they can charge the market and get away with it to get the best margin then goodluck to them.
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