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Rendezvous Renamed to OpenTalk

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the legal-chest-thumping dept.

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Gogo Dodo writes "Back in August, Slashdot covered Tibco suing Apple over the Rendezvous trademark. AppleInsider now reports that the lawsuit has been settled and Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk." Meanwhile Zeroconf sits in the corner and cries.

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Slashdot: News For Apple, Stuff For Apple (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759676)

Geez Taco, isn't there some NON-Apple news out there?

Re:Slashdot: News For Apple, Stuff For Apple (0, Offtopic)

Klar (522420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759707)

Ya, I wanna hear about Microsoft!!

Re:Slashdot: News For Apple, Stuff For Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9760013)

Anyone else notice how all posts complaining about the proliferation of Apple headlines get modded out of sight?

Apple is paying Slashdot.

Re:Slashdot: News For Apple, Stuff For Apple (1)

viggen9 (192812) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759766)

With the kind of coverage Apple has been getting lately not only on Slashdot, but also on news.google for example, you would expect Apple to have greater than 2 or 3 percent market share.

"frist psot" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759678)

One might say the above, if they were hasty.

More lawsuits to come (4, Informative)

Biotech9 (704202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759688)

Apple (and MS) are both being sued over 6 patents held by BTG, which their pnline updating systems allegedly violate.

Link here [infoworld.com] .

Looks like fun and games ahead for Apples lawyers.

Re:More lawsuits to come (4, Funny)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759733)

bahagha! pnline isnt a real word! PWND!!

Re:More lawsuits to come (2, Interesting)

mbbac (568880) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759871)

U.K.-based BTG Plc has sued Microsoft Corp. and Apple Computer Inc. for allegedly infringing a patent that covers Web-enabled software update technologies, the company announced Wednesday.
The strange thing is that Apple's Software Update isn't Web-enabled.

Re:More lawsuits to come (1)

rice_web (604109) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760008)

Web ~= internet Software Update certainly accesses Apple's servers to find new updates.

Re:More lawsuits to come (1)

vk2 (753291) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759940)

If we assume that these claims are valid, will this affecting apt-get, urpmi etc too ?

Re:More lawsuits to come (1)

stecoop (759508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760032)

So I wonder if the movie IRobot is going to get sued or apple is going to produce a robot like that in the movie.

***** SPOILER for IROBOT ******

In the movie IRobot, a cop chases down a robot that is running through the crowd with a purse. It appears that it's the first case of a robot committing a crime. The cop tackles the robot and the contents of the purse drop out to the feet of a woman whereby she grabs an inhaler the robot was rushing to here to save her life.

***** No more spoiler *****

This would violate the Patent above because the requester need an updated product and it was delivered automatically. Vague Patents Stink.

Re:More lawsuits to come (1)

Talonius (97106) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760046)

Actually you missed a better point.

In the movie, I, Robot, updates are delivered automatically to the newest series of robots via connection to US Robotics.

OpenTalk? (0, Troll)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759694)

Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?
Or will it be OpenSource like the name hints at?

Re:OpenTalk? (2, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759730)

Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs? Or will it be OpenSource like the name hints at?

Since when has Open* meant something was open source? Ever use OpenWindows? Adding Open in front of everything trying to indicate it's free software is a relatively new manifestation. I doubt the FSF cares since they prefer to use the term free.

Re:OpenTalk? (1)

robbieduncan (87240) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759933)

OpenTalk (ne Rendezvous) IS open.

Source Downloads [apple.com]

Re:OpenTalk? (1, Informative)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759746)

There was a time the Open Source Initiative (opensource.org) tried to make Open Source a trademark, but it didn't work out. "Open Source" as a term pre-dates the "Open Source" as a replacement term for Free Software by a long time.

In addition, various groups used the "Open" word before Open Source, such as HP's "OpenView" desktop environment.

Yes, it looks like Apple is trying to purposefully confuse people by prepending "Open" to this product, but maybe this will prove once and for all that any term like this can be hijacked, just like the Open Source people believe that the term Free Software is easily misunderstood.

Re:OpenTalk? (1)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759795)

Yes, it looks like Apple is trying to purposefully confuse people by prepending "Open" to this product, but maybe this will prove once and for all that any term like this can be hijacked, just like the Open Source people believe that the term Free Software is easily misunderstood.

Note that "Open" doesn't imply "Open Source". I'd say it would be a reasonable name if the "OpenTalk" protocols are published and freely available to third parties (I have no idea if Apple is planning this or not).

If so, that certainly fits one definition of "Open".

Re:OpenTalk? (1)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759834)

Right, but the original poster was asking about the possibility of a group trademarking "Open", I would guess in regards to software.

As you pointed out, this would be too vague to be an effective trademark, and so I'm concluding that the term is not immune to abuse or misunderstanding, which were the stated reasons for its coinage and use.

Re:OpenTalk? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759922)

I'd say it would be a reasonable name if the "OpenTalk" protocols are published and freely available to third parties (I have no idea if Apple is planning this or not).

They already did [apple.com] . They've released code for Windows and Linux so they can make use of this technology. They even wrote an IE plugin. Not to mention that Apple programmers wrote the white papers on ZeroConf/Rendezvous/OpenTalk.

Re:OpenTalk? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759923)

Rendezvous/OpenTalk is an implementation of ZeroConf, ZeroConf is an open standard, therefore Rendezvous/OpenTalk is an implementation of an open standard.

Beyond that, Apple's source code for their mDNSResponder (the core of Rendezvous/OpenTalk) has been available under the APSL since it debuted in jaguar, and therefore is open source.

So I'd say OpenTalk is a reasonable name to use (espescially in comparison with AppleTalk which did the same thing in an apple only sort of way).

Re:OpenTalk? (4, Funny)

argent (18001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760049)

it looks like Apple is trying to purposefully confuse people by prepending "Open" to this product

<sarcasm>Yes, deliberately using the term "open" to describe an open standard based on an open source project is just so sneaky and underhanded...</>

Re:OpenTalk? (5, Funny)

McCall (212035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759764)

Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?

You idiot, Rendezvous is open [apple.com]

But then again, I don't expect somone with a UID as high as 761208 to know that...

Re:OpenTalk? (1)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759789)

Isnt the line "Or will it be OpenSource like the name hints at?" more relevant to your bashing of my high UID? ;)

Re:OpenTalk? (3, Funny)

ximenes (10) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759862)

Frankly I'm surprised you can understand it either, with a UID as high as 212035!

What were you guys doing when Slashdot started taking accounts, reading Byte?

Re:OpenTalk? (3, Insightful)

Nakito (702386) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759770)

Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?

Under USPTO regulations, I do not believe that you are allowed to "reserve" trademark names. I believe that you can only trademark names that you are actually using in active commerce or that you are actively preparing to launch in commerce. This is probably a good thing, because otherwise it would be like the situation with domain names -- people registering hundreds or thousands of names that they have no intention of ever using on the hope that they will pre-empt somone else's usage, and then extort a payoff.

Re:OpenTalk? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9760034)

You are correct, no problem there, but just to quibble, the poster you were responding to did say "trademark them, and reserve them for..." where "trademark" could be the official/legal definition of trademarks used in commerce, and "reserve" could informally refer to a licensing scheme. This would be entirely consistent with the trademark law that you cite.

Re:OpenTalk? (2, Informative)

the_proton (257557) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759785)

Rendezvous (or OpenTalk or whatever) already is, and always has been open source.

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/rende zv ous/

- proton

Let me get this straight: (5, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759701)

I got this tattoo for nothing?

Okay, this time I mean it: No more product-based body modification.

Re:Let me get this straight: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759792)

I want a firefox tattoo, but I'm afraid that the browser probebly will be renamed again and in a few years noone remembers what "firefox" is!

Does "phoenix" ring a bell?

Re:Let me get this straight: (2, Funny)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759909)

/me puts hand over "Coleco Forever!" tattoo

3 in a row (0, Troll)

ender1598 (266355) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759712)

Wow... 3 Apple headlines in a row. Is that a record?

Re:3 in a row (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759737)

I wouldn't be surprised if Slashdot were taking payments from Apple for each story they post.

Notice how the parent got modded down as well?

In Other News... (2, Funny)

gmletzkojr (768460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759713)

Tibco gets sued by Buick, which has a car named Rendezvous.

Re:In Other News... (5, Informative)

syates21 (78378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759808)

Yeah that's the same.
TIBCO has had a patented networking protocol called Rendezvous for years that is the core of their whole business. It runs a few small systems you may have heard of like, oh, NASDAQ.

It's not too hard to see why they might be upset at another company coming out and promoting a completely different and unrelated networking protocol with the same name.

Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (0, Troll)

lunarscape (704562) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759714)

Wow, three Apple articles in a row!

As for this article, let this be a lesson to you: if you sue Apple over a name, it is you who will end up having to change your name.

Tibco: We want you to change your product's name. And give us $$$.
Apple: How about instead, you change your product's name. Or give us $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Tibco: We'll change our name. Bye.

Slashdot to be renamed AppleDot? (2, Funny)

insomnyuk (467714) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759745)

Maybe:

'New for quasi-intellectual, artistic elitists. Stuff that splatters.'

No. But seriously, has this place become all Apple, all the time?

The reality of the situation (3, Interesting)

Johnny Mozzarella (655181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759854)

Apple is one of the few companies creating innovative technologies and doing stuff that matters with it.

For example last night, I picked up an Airport Express. From unpacking to hearing streaming music on my stereo, less than 5 minutes.
Is WiFi new? No.
Is streaming music new? No.
But Apple has taken the same basic building blocks everyone else has to play with and made something innovative.
The iPod is the same story.

Re:The reality of the situation (1)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760033)

No they didnt. They cheated!!! Damn Color Nuts, the world used to be all nice n beige.......... ;)

Re:Slashdot to be renamed AppleDot? (1)

MattHaffner (101554) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759916)

You know, if you really hate it, go and change your preferences to not show Apple stories. Is there really a dearth of other /. stories these days? Sheesh...

Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (3, Informative)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759772)

I think you misread/failed to read the article. Apple is changing their product's name. Tibco is not.

Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (4, Funny)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759774)

As for this article, let this be a lesson to you: if you sue Apple over a name, it is you who will end up having to change your name.

What? _Apple_ is changing their name, not the company.

I've heard of not reading the article (RTFA), but rarely seen someone who didn't even read the summary.

Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759798)

The summary did not really mention WHICH Rendezvous is to be renamed.

Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (1)

lunarscape (704562) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759920)

Oops, I misRTFS.

Re:Apple Apple Apple ... Orange? (1)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759778)

Ummm, no. T'other way around. Kind of.

now (4, Funny)

TexasDex (709519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759716)

Cue "Lindevous" jokes.

Fianlly - a name that makes sense (1)

uid100 (540265) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759717)

The average consumer can interperse the general meaning of "OpenTalk" where Rendezvous does nothing to describe what the technology does.
Besides, peole don't like names they can't pronounce and makes them feel like idiots. "What is that?"

Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (1)

abhinavmodi (737782) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759757)

opentalk seems related to opensource - To the layman, atleast. This will do more good than harm to _any_ sw which has this name ! :)

Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759895)

Hm. I liked Rendezvous a lot. Didn't sound like all the other product names/buzzwords. It's also really fitting for a network protocol. But then I know what it means and how to pronounce it - I thought everybody does. Nevertheless, OpenTalk sounds like any generic buzzword.

Re:Fianlly - a name that makes sense (5, Insightful)

arkanes (521690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759976)

If you're an english speaker and you don't know the word "rendezvous" then you DESERVE to feel like in idiot. It's not a made up word, or even technical. It's in the dictionary. And not just the OED, it's in every 2 dollar cheapo Merriam-Webster dictionary that you got from a used bookstore in high school and you still keep around. What the hell is wrong with people?

Bad Choice (4, Funny)

Johnny Mozzarella (655181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759721)

Sounds too much like AppleTalk.
I can hear the IT folks gripping.

Re:Bad Choice (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759780)

bah...opentalk is a nice term because it says that it is OPEN!

Re:Bad Choice (4, Informative)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759882)

Well, maybe you don't realize this, but Rendezvous basically *is* AppleTalk for TCP/IP. It has all of its benefits, nearly all of its features and it works with normal Routers and TCP/IP hardware.

OpenTalk is the perfect name.

And, FWIW, AppleTalk only has a bad name because the first version (Phase I) had a problem where it would get too chatty. This was fixed in Phase II which was released shortly after Phase II and has been available for over 10 years now. But people's opinion of AppleTalk was already ruined so it basically never recovered.

PS. A recent problem with AppleTalk is that the new Macs that could boot Mac OS 9 are way too fast for common routers. For instance, if the spanning tree protocol is turned on, it is possible for a mac to send a request about AppleTalk and finish booting before it got an answer. This was the origin of the message "Your AppleTalk network is now available" at bootup on a lot of macs.

Re:Bad Choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759978)

That's not exactly right -- the spanning tree protocol is a function of switches, not routers or hubs. This can also cause problems with DHCP on Windows 95.

Re:Bad Choice (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9760047)

I would say "too chatty" is an understatement, the term "Appletalk storm" was a common term back in the days. We had a lab full of Macs and they went bonkers one weekend, using up all the bandwidth from our department building to our school's main gateway to the internet.

Re:Bad Choice (1)

mbbac (568880) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759934)

It's supposed to sound like AppleTalk since ZeroConf / Rendezvous / OpenTalk is inspired by AppleTalk [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Bad Choice (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759964)

This is probably a joke, but . . .

AppleTalk as a living protocol suite is pretty much dead, and will be used in legacy environments only. As a name, it was dead even before OS X, when they came out with new streams based code for MacOS 9 which included AppleTalk and TCP/IP (so long to the hack that was MacTCP) and called it OpenTransport. Though it supported things other than AppleTalk, when it came out, it was such a breakthrough, there was an effort to brand all of networking OpenTransport and deprecate the name AppleTalk. They wanted to show of their new SYSV stream space, with a MUCH better implementation of TCP/IP.

The one great advantage AppleTalk had over other protocols of it's day was ease of finding things on networks. Broadcast packets to the one well known port that had a naming server allowed people to find devices without having to type in addresses or ports, that was all handled by the OS. OpenTalk/Rendezvous is a replacement for that, allowing browsing and easy discovery of devices/applications on TCP/IP networks. As such, replacing AppleTalk in people's heads is a worthy goal.

Re:Bad Choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9760104)

You can hear them gripping? Really? What does that sound like? I'm just curious because when I grip an object, typically no sound is made (unless I say "Honk honk!").

Slashdot has been taken over by Apple! (4, Funny)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759724)

I, for one, welcome our translucent overlords.

Re:Slashdot has been taken over by Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759897)

This is one time when the term "lickable" conjurs up very unpleasant images.

Older news slashbox (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759727)

the older news slashbox has dissapeared out of the list of slashboxes on preferences -> homepage. did this happen to anyone else

OpenTalk? (3, Interesting)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759736)

I'm sure Apple registered that trademark a LONG time ago. In fact, I think it's been used before for something else.

LocalTalk, OpenTalk, PowerTalk, AppleTalk, MacinTalk, KanjiTalk, ZhongWenTalk, etc. etc.

Re:OpenTalk? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759829)

Yeah, they registered it a long time ago. Like, Yesterday. [appleinsider.com] Idoit.

Re:OpenTalk? (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759971)

Idoit.

Nice one, m8.

terrible name... (4, Funny)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759748)

they should've named it iTalk to go along with all the other apple names.

Re:terrible name... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759935)

You're probably joking but I think that might confuse some users with the difference between iChat and iTalk. (Chat and talk being essentially the same thing).

Re:terrible name... (1)

the web (696015) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759959)

That'll be confusing. The whole point of the i"Wildcard" is to use a noun not a verb. It loses it's appeal with that kind of naming.

Besides, it's not an app. It's more of a deamon, IANATechie.

Re:terrible name... (1)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760064)

Chat is a verb and a noun, although its verb form makes more sense in terms of iChat. Tunes and Photo are nouns, as you imply.

Re:terrible name... (1)

sysadmn (29788) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759966)

No, i products are for consumers.

Re:terrible name... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759979)

'they should've named it iTalk to go along with all the other apple names.'

Great! No one would get that confused with iChat!

Taco... (2, Informative)

mritunjai (518932) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759758)

"Meanwhile Zeroconf sits in the corner and cries."

Taco, if you're ignorant, then don't bother adding your comments.

OpenTalk/Rendezvous IS ZeroConf!! OpenTalk/Rendezvous are just the names given to Apple's implementation of ZeroConf.

Just like:
* 801.11b/g was named AirPort
* 30" LCD display was names "cinema display"
* CIFS implementation is known as Samba
* IEEE1394 is known as Firewire

Zeroconf is known as OpenTalk/Rendezvous!

Is that clear now ?

Re:Taco... (4, Informative)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759839)

I believe he was referring to the fact that the ZeroConf name was tossed out not once but twice, and the second time, it wasn't used even though the last name had to be discontinued due to legal issues. The name was crying, not the technology.

Re:Taco... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759956)

Yeah, but the reason is straightforward: ZeroConf is a name only an engineer's mother could love. That f at the end. Really rolls off the tongue. Not.

branding (3, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759762)

I have always thought the 'Rendezvous' name was so non-Apple. Seems like every Apple technology is ThisTalk or ThatTalk, ever since the first Macintoshes that could "talk" to cabled devices like printers. This "OpenTalk" initiative name makes more sense for the Apple brand, it would seem.

Now that Apple's got a pretty good speech-recognition and text-to-speech engine, all the networking talks have to compete with the real talking for cute marketing terminology, such as "PlainTalk."

Re:branding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759904)

if you go with the more fun meaning of 'rendezvous', you could rename the thing iTryst or something evocative of the sexiness that *is* zeroconf...

Re:branding (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759973)

Except that *Talk has generally referred to technologies for allowing computers to talk to each other (i.e. exchange information. Rendezvous is a protocol that allows computers to meet each other, but not talk (the communication part is usually done over TCP or UDP, Rendezvous is a discovery mechanism). As such, the Rendezvous name is much more apt than OpenTalk.

Confusing? (5, Insightful)

pldms (136522) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759784)

Given that the issue was that there were two things called 'rendezvous' the statement:

Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk

doesn't really help :-)

Re:Confusing? (4, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759831)

Given that the issue was that there were two things called 'rendezvous' the statement:

Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk
doesn't really help :-)
To avoid any future confusion, both products will be renamed. To OpenTalk.

All clear?

Re:Confusing? (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759918)

Informative? WTF?

Re:Confusing? (1)

rice_web (604109) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760029)

Maybe they actually are both renaming.

2 funnies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759925)

Hehe. That's funny.

Also funny is the clueless moderator who modded it 'Informative'

ITunes (0, Offtopic)

thebra (707939) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759786)

But what ever happened to the Beatles lawsuit [bbc.co.uk] over ITunes?

Garbage by any other name... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759816)

...is still garbage.

If there's anything that can be learned from Mozilla Firebird/Firefox, Lindows/Linspire and Gator/Claria, it's that changing your products' name doesn't make them any less trash.

Bummer for Apple (1)

AcornWeb (770294) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759823)

Especially after they have put so much effort into branding the Rendezvous name. But oh well, guess they don't have much choice.

Can they rename to FireBirdFoxCaminoTalk? (4, Funny)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759846)

Is there a Mozilla implementation?

Re:Can they rename to FireBirdFoxCaminoTalk? (1)

GarfBond (565331) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760086)

I know you're joking, but yes, Camino 0.8 bookmark manager actually uses Rendezvous/Opentalk (http://www.mozilla.org/products/camino/releases/0 .8.html) :)

Everyting is trademarked. (1)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759873)

So who has the trademark on OpenTalk? Can the next person in line to sue us please step up to the counter!

/greger

rendezvous with what? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759881)

Translate that headline in French and it give you something like Tibco doesn't want you to use the word "meeting" or "appointment"

Or more simply, the English word rendezvous.
http://dictionary.reference.com/searc h?q=rendezvou s

can they realy do that?

I know, it's like the old Windows vs windows (and no, I won't mention french windows) but think about it.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759889)

OpenTransport + Appletalk = OpenTalk?

To highlight the product similarities (5, Informative)

phoebe (196531) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759896)

Tibco's Rendezvous can be used to the do same task as Apple's Rendezvous, i.e. dynamic configuration. They both use multicast and don't require server endpoint configurations like addresses, etc. However Tibco's Rendezvous can also do generic, certified, and transactional messaging and hence Apple's product description does harm by implying Tibco's software has less capabilities, i.e. inferior, to what it really is.

To update the trademark links, Tibco [tibco.com] was formally Teknekron [archive.org] :

At least they did not try... (2, Funny)

grunt107 (739510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759900)

CoffeeTalk!

eMac (0, Offtopic)

Suriel (784721) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759917)

I swear, I'm buying an eMac this weekend so i can feel like "one of the guys" again. I hope that isn't why we are getting so many apple posts! *gasp* Seriously though. Getting an eMac. That way I can shut both my Mac and Linux friends up :).

Take That, Frenchies! (3, Funny)

Michael_Burton (608237) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759937)

Shrewd marketing. Rendezvous always sounded kinda French to me.

Everybody knows us Amurricans in the red states don't like nothin' French. Suddenly I feel like goin' out and buyin' me a big bunch o' Apples!

Reminds me of a song... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9759944)

o/~ Rendezvous and I'm through with you o/~

Doesn't Apple . . (2, Insightful)

aarku (151823) | more than 10 years ago | (#9759995)

google these things before they settle on a name? Tibco's Rendevous has been around for a while. It takes 5 seconds and saves big headaches later . . .

What about OpenTransport? (1)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760019)

There was that OpenTransport thing Apple used to have on Classic. They could've just resurrected that name, couldn't they? Maybe call it OpenTransportX or something. Or iTransport. Or iNetwork or iTalk.

Any OpenTalk/ZeroConf servers for *NIX? (2, Interesting)

FLoWCTRL (20442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760026)

Does anyone know of open source tools for configuring Macs using ZeroConf? It would be nice to have printers auto-configured when mac users plug into our UNIX network. For now they can use IP or the samba service, but those require that the user actually know something.

Another 'Talk? Apple sure does a lot of 'Talking (1)

lwagner (230491) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760057)

From the Apple Legal section... [apple.com]

LocalTalk,
OpenTalk,
EtherTalk,
PowerTalk,
A ppleTalk,
MovieTalk,
PlainTalk,
MacinTalk,
Kan jiTalk,
TokenTalk,
and lest we forget ... HyperTalk!

How about a Talk to unite all 'Talks?

Stop stealing Generic names (3, Insightful)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9760069)

Trademarking a generic name like Windows is stealing from the Commons.

It does not get any better stealing from foreigners in this case the French.

How wouild you all feel if a French company decided to Trademark Meeting it's laughable.

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