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223 comments

can I be first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772742)

or is michael a fag?

Re:can I be first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772923)

Charles Barkley says, "Bof."

Well... (2, Insightful)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772744)

I hope this doesn't give the US Governement any wild ideas...

Re:Well... (1)

theJerk242 (778433) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772904)

I hope this doesn't give the US Governement any wild ideas...

Don't worry....it will. x_X

Re:Well... (1)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772974)

"I hope this doesn't give the US Governement any wild ideas..."

No, it's pretty good at coming up with stupid ideas all on its own. But at least we know the US Govt doesnt have a *monopoly* on stupid ideas.

Re:Well... (4, Insightful)

lightknight (213164) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773248)

It's not that we do not have a monopoly on stupid ideas, it's that we export them (so other countries can enjoy the same warm feeling *cough* shaft *cough* of these ideas).

I guess I wish that the (congressional) debate would move back from "what can we tax?" to "why do we tax?". These days it's less about "Life, Liberty, and Property" than a free-for-all "Everything must go, get your legislation for you and your special interest".

It's kind of funny what the founding fathers thought of public service: they hated it. The did it, because it needed to be done, but they looked upon the government the same way Bill Gates looks at the DoJ. Now, politicians and beauracrats are treated with great fanfare, as though they are doing something truly great, as opposed to the truth: essentially, they got their position by winning a popularity contest.

On a side note, does anyone remeber the article a while back, on some obscure law in Florida, whereby they could tax LANs?

tax? wifi? !!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772750)

bah bit crap that innit

Tax everything (3, Interesting)

ajuda (124386) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772754)

Isn't this a bit moronic? Find things that make economies more efficient and help spread information and tax them? It's not like wireless costs the government anything to allow. Oh yeah, first post.

Re:Tax everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772777)

Uhm.. same with VAT, in case you didn't know. That's what taxes are all about - they aren't here because "it costs government anything". You haven't understood the principle of a mondern country, my dear.

Re:Tax everything (1)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772799)

Oh yeah, first post. I'm sorry, but no...

Re:Tax everything (3, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772978)

> Isn't this a bit moronic? Find things that make economies more efficient and help spread information and tax them? It's not like wireless costs the government anything to allow.

You forget the attitude of the bureaucrat towards anything that "makes an economy more efficient" or "helps spread information". First, a flush of raw trembling fear. Then apply The Rules:

If it doesn't move, tax it.
If it moves, regulate it until it stops moving.
Then tax it.

Remember, anything not nailed down belongs to the government. Anything that can be pried loose by a legislative body is not nailed down.

Taxing Wi-FI (3, Insightful)

wizatcomputer (798648) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772756)

How can someone but a tax on using Wi-Fi? That would be like putting a tax on the cordless phones, or remote car locks. Stupid, and a cheep way to get some money for the government!

Re:Taxing Wi-FI (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772928)

Stupid, and a cheep way to get some money for the government!

Perhaps... but that's how government works.

Governments require lots of money for things such as police, defense and their special programs and taxing little things left and right is a great way to get money.

Re:Taxing Wi-FI (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773104)

The problem is that it might mean "back to wired we go"...

Really, it sounds like a taxation on progress. It's not as if wireless "b" or "g" were all that well thought-out, with only three channels but this is insane.

Re:Taxing Wi-FI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772987)

You're stupid. It says in the article that they will put the tax on devices that use the Wi-Fi spectrum. They already do this with cell phones.

How... (1)

kunwon (795646) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772760)

How would the japanese authorities manage to figure out who was using WLan? Would there be a tax on the devices themselves? I don't see how this could be feasible.

Re:How... (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773006)

I think you just answered your own question.

The most obvious route is to tax devices when they are retailed.

I have to say that this is definitely a case of taxing something for the sake of filling government coffers which is just plain wrong!

RTFA (1)

elhaf (755704) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773152)

Finally, someone who read the article. Yes, they tax it at retail time. It's a one-time fee.

In Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772767)

Taxes and Inconvenience come first. Customer come Second! ZING!

Um.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772769)

You suck WHAT?!

Human Life Tax (4, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772771)

Hey, when's the oxygen tax coming out? Oh, and I think we should also create a tax for walking anywhere, by counting the steps each person takes and sending them a bill at the end of the month. Could be rolled into the breathing tax, by counting the number of breaths each person takes and adding them together for a Human Life Tax. Or we could just tax Wifi...

Shhh....! (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772793)

Are you nuts? You're going to give them ideas!

Re:Human Life Tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772804)

You might be lauging, but in some countries there is a tax called "air tax" (and that's not the airport taxes you pay, but it's a real tax from the country).

Re:Human Life Tax (2, Insightful)

marnargulus (776948) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772808)

This might be considered if all of a sudden we have huge populations using much of the air available, and making it possible that others can't breathe. From what I see, they are just applying a tax on something that uses the limited spectrum. When all of the space for the spectrum gets filled, who do you think the people will be pissed at for not managing that? The government. They are just trying to help manage it before it gets out of hand. (Especially in a space conservative place like japan. Image in everyone decided to use their equipment at the same time on the same frequency. That would be quite a jam)

Re:Human Life Tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772990)

you can always pay someone to use the other 99% of the spectrum that is licensed, i.e., already taxed. If the unlicensed spectrum becomes overcrowded, either people can move to the higher quality, for-pay spectrum, or the government can open up more spectrum for the people. In America, a fit of perversity has taken over the government, and we are currently on the way to doing the latter.

Re:Human Life Tax (1)

nexex (256614) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773143)

where's your compassion? everyone knows people who can afford wireless are rich. are you saying the poor should pay taxes?

there are already cell phone taxes everywhere, there is a city that taxes based on how much it rains, welcome to liberal government

Re:Human Life Tax (1)

Uninvited Guest (237316) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773210)

Too right: Just look at all of those "breathers", sucking up the national oxygen supply and polluting the atmosphere with CO2, which we know causes all of that plant overgrowth. It's high time all governments did something to curb this scourge on the commmon good.

The Power to Tax (1)

j0e_average (611151) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772774)

involves the power to destroy -- Chief Justice John Marshall

111 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772778)

frist prost

Uh, I have a question... (1)

VE3MTM (635378) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772784)

Realistically, how do they plan on doing this? A levy on the purchase of Wi-FI hardware, or do they somehow plan to tax the *usage* of the spectrum?

If they use the second option, how do they plan on enforcing this?

Re:Uh, I have a question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773044)

You're an idiot. It says in the article that they will tax devices that use the Wi-Fi spectrum on purchase. They already do this with cell phones.

Re:Uh, I have a question... (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773123)

it's on the sale of hardware.
Of course, RTFA, and you might notice it mentions that.

Re:Uh, I have a question... (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773197)

I would suspect that it would work something like the TV taxation enforcement that is done in much of Europe.

Basicly the local enforcement division would do war driving to identify the location of APs, and WiFi adapters, Check to see if the ESSID, physical location, etc. are all part of a registered and paid up user, or not, then send a letter informing anyone who does not have a paid up account that they need to pay the appropriate fees, and register their AP and ESSID, or adapters.

I would suspect that it would be easier to detect WiFi stuff as well, as to do this with TV's, the enforcement people rely upon the stray signals that are broadcast by the TV as part of receiving a TV signal. WiFi communications isn't exactly stray signals.

Whether this is a legitimate use of people's time and efforts is a completly different issue.

-Rusty

fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772785)

again? too ez

Seems to be just a 1 time thing. (1)

Samir Gupta (623651) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772788)

At least it's better than the TV tax in the UK, for instance.

Stupid (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772789)

Stupid Japs! I say we bomb those slant eyes again!

Sucky Sucky $5 dolla (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772791)

Love you long time, for $5 per kilobyte, baby.

I'll be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772794)

This would be a crappy thing, admittedly, but all other Over the Air signals in japan are already taxed by the broadcaster of the signals (I believe). So, this isn't entirely unexpected.

First post!!@!! (-1, Troll)

Giffy_the_guy (684942) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772800)

thats so dumb.

asian tax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772801)

ASIA TAX

Wardriving... (4, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772802)

Does this mean that the Japanese government is going to take up wardriving to look for violators?

Re:Wardriving... (2, Funny)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772862)

And when they find a node, they crash their van into it.

Re:Wardriving... (1)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772895)

And when they find a node, they crash their van into it.

Now THATS funny. [golf clap]

Re:Wardriving... (1)

Chemical (49694) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772892)

Maybe. That's pretty much what they do in the UK to enforce TV licenses.

Re:Wardriving... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772919)

Sure, all they have to do is add some equipment to the cat detector vans.

KFG

Re:Wardriving... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773072)

RTFA. It says in the article that they will tax devices that use the Wi-Fi spectrum on purchase. They already do this with cell phones.

Re:Wardriving... (1)

mirio (225059) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773113)

Actually, I remember reading where in the UK there are vans that drive around with specialized equipment detecting TV's to ensure that anyone with a television is paying their TV tax.

You've gotta love government. Is there anything the government won't tax?

I understand that television in the UK is run differently than here in the states, but Japan taxing 802.11x? I understand taxes when the government actually has a legitimate reason taxing a product or service (i.e. the taxes on gasoline pay for roads). But, the government of Japan had nothing to do with the creation of WLAN technologies. They only gave their nod to the bit of the spectrum used.

Re:Wardriving... (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773254)

How is wardriving going to detect if someone somehow avoided the wifi tax on the purchase of their wifi device?

Haiku (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772828)

Tax My Wifi
Afford Fewer Tempura
Me No Rikey

Re:Haiku (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772854)

That's really a horrilbe stereotype. That being said, I laughed my ass off.

Blatant governmental greed... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772829)

Yet more blatant governmental greed...
At least it will be hard to enforce.

Re:Blatant governmental greed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773157)

You're an idiot. It says in the article that they will tax devices that use the Wi-Fi spectrum on purchase. In what way is that hard to enforce? They already do this with cell phones.

Re:Blatant governmental greed... (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773201)

A tax on the sale of wifi gear will be hard to enforce? How do you figure?

Finkployd

WiFi may be taxed... (0, Troll)

Karpe (1147) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772832)

...if it is explored commercially! For home and company use, how will they charge it? Now, if a company is providing a commercial service over unregulated spectrum, it could be taxed. But if it is taxed, shouldn't the providers receive the same guaranties as the providers of other regulated wireless access, like the right to have it's spectrum free from interference, etc?

In Japan (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772837)

Taxing of WiFi considered... in Japan!

Not sure how they could do it (1, Informative)

siliconjunkie (413706) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772838)

I can see how they apply a tax to cell phones and other such devices that require an account with a provider, as taxes can be enforced via the normal billing cycle. But how do you tax WiFi? It certainly couldn't be done via the ISP's billing mechanism (right?)...

I'm interested to see how they figure this one out, but I must say...this reminds me of the chainmails of a few years back that claimed the U.S. Government was going to tax email.....

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

marnargulus (776948) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772874)

Your ISP doesn't keep track of how much your pulling in and out? How do you think the **AA figure who is "trading files" and who isn't? The people taking in gigs of space and uploading almost as much are considered suspects. They only know how much pipe you use based on what the ISP provides.

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

siliconjunkie (413706) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772932)

Your ISP doesn't keep track of how much your pulling in and out? How do you think the **AA figure who is "trading files" and who isn't? The people taking in gigs of space and uploading almost as much are considered suspects. They only know how much pipe you use based on what the ISP provides.

Sure, I understand that, but we're not talking about how much bandwidth, were talking about the technology by which that bandwidth is accessed.

Of course my ISP knows how much bandwidth I am using, but as far as I know, there is no way for them to tell that I am using an 802.11x product on my LAN. My post inquires as to how (technically speaking) they could tax 802.11x use.

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

B.Hoover (786780) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773173)

What if you use it on an intranet? then your ISP sees.... nothing.

Re:Not sure how they could do it -Easy (1)

fiveRocketCars (746296) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772997)

Are we missing something here?

Wouldn't it be pretty simple to tax at point of sale for wifi devices? and/or tax on imports of wifi devices?

I guess for annually recurring taxes, a government might require some sort of registration, in order to purchase wifi devices, and then basically license there use???

-5

Re:Not sure how they could do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773096)

You're dumb. It says in the article that they will tax devices that use the Wi-Fi spectrum on purchase. That's what they do with cell phones.

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

siliconjunkie (413706) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773227)

I guess I'm dumb

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773225)

I'm interested to see how they figure this one out

May I suggest reading the article? Taxing the sale of wifi devices is how.

Finkployd

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773258)

It's easy to do. Just call it a Universal Wifi tax and tax everyone who uses the internet in Japan.

Re:Not sure how they could do it (1)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773291)

When I was a n00b, I've been playing by linking 3 computers just for the fun: I didn't knew what an ISP was and I didn't needed it. I just gave my PCs random IPs like 192.168.0.42 and it worked. Your ISP doesn't need to know what your network looks like (Mac/PC, Ethernet/Wireless). And for the billing process, I would never give any details to anyone, ever.

The Gumby Says: (1)

mpaon (787734) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772881)

I propose a tax on all those who stand in water!
*looks around*
ooooooogghhh!

gmail?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772894)

gmail account:
linky [google.com]

They should tax.. (1)

0x54524F4C4C (712971) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772900)


Tentacles

Wifey (1)

infinite9 (319274) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772902)

Believe me, wifey is taxing enough. That bitch won't stop nagging me.

Re:Wifey (1)

wizatcomputer (798648) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772955)

Thanks for that funny post. I couldn't stop laughing until I realised that, one day, I may have a wifey like that!

Re:Wifey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773150)

Has anyone else noticed that the Ebon Hawk has no bathroom?

I thought that was what the hyperdrive was for. Ah well, no wonder it craps out. :-)

Tax it (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772910)

If it's offered commercially.

Wouldn't it already be covered by some tax? If I pay 20 bucks an hour at starbucks (no idea what it costs), isnt there some goods or services tax applied in the US (depending on state?)

Any time money changes hands, the government will make sure they get some. The beatles wrote a song about it and everything, try not to be too shocked.

Obligatory Monty Python Reference... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9772911)

Someone mentioned that maybe the Japanese tax authorities would be wardriving....

"This is a cat license with the word 'cat' crossed out and the word 'wifi' written in in crayon"

--
BMO

Sex discrimination! (3, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772912)

A tax on Wifi? What about Hubby?

Re:Sex discrimination! (4, Funny)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773007)

A "Wifey" *is* a Hubby tax.

WiFi Police (1)

Suriel (784721) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772916)

I would love to see japanese WiFi police in orange jumpsuits wardriving the streets of tokyo, looking for untaxes hotspots... And underground Yakuza wireless networks would be nifty.

Re:WiFi Police (1)

shakah (78118) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773265)

Could be an urban legend, but doesn't the UK have a television tax, along with some way to check for television usage?

Why are you complaining? (1, Troll)

poohsuntzu (753886) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772933)

All I've seen here so far are people whining about getting taxed on a service.

Have you ever looked at your home cable internet bill, flipped it around to the back and noticed the amount of tax placed on it? Federal Tax, Service Tax, etc etc. A good $4-$5 worth of tax goes to the government because you use cable/dialup internet. This is nothing new, and nothing that we should be surprised about.

Re:Why are you complaining? (1)

clarkcox3 (194009) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772989)

They're not talking about taxing a serivce. They're talking about taxing the use of a technology.

RTFA (1)

poohsuntzu (753886) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773220)

It won't be for the service: "The ministry plans to collect fees from users of information appliances when they purchase these products, according to the sources."

Re:Why are you complaining? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773236)

No. They're talking about taxing consumers' use of the spectrum.

Re:Why are you complaining? (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773180)

Maybe because the use of cable/phone requires the FCC et al. to act as referees between all the companies who want to provide those services so they get along and don't step on each other's toes, hence makes a tax on those services reasonable to pay for the government expenses. With Wifi, there is not government intervention since it is in a license free spectrum and doesn't interfere with another services, thus costing nobody anything to have a large amount of people using Wifi. Taxing something that doesn't require the government to activitly expend money/time/resources on is uncalled for and just plain greedy.

Good (1)

Klar (522420) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772938)

I for one think this is a good thing!

....humm maybe I posted that comment on the wrong website :( hehe

What about RFID tags..? (1)

maskedbishounen (772174) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772956)

I mean, they're going to RF tag school girls, right? Are they then going to turn around and tax them because of this?

Criminals and the government both win! ;)

Almost does count and Public Domain Spectrum (1)

ChinaJoe (259673) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772979)

I dig this line "such appliances use almost the same spectrum as mobile phones"

ALMOST!?!?! Hey, I almost won the lottery, so they should just give me the jackpot.

Anyways, doesn't the 2.4GHz band fall under Public Domain. Otherwise you would have to tax people who use cordless phones.

tax would be on *hardware*, RTFA! (4, Informative)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#9772993)

I can't believe all the idiots on /. ...
They're talking about an extra tax on wifi hardware, not on "usage" per se. The tax would be at time of sale. RTFA, people.

Another unenforceable law added to the books... (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773004)

So, they are going to what - count the number of wifi devices you have in your house? How is this supposed to work?

Re:Another unenforceable law added to the books... (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773020)

Okay...I read the article...they are planning to tax these devices at point of sale - which just means higher prices for these devices and the resultant lower volume of sales.

How do they handle this if you roll your own device?

Re:Another unenforceable law added to the books... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773046)

They'd tax the wifi card you'd need to stick in yer linux box to "roll your own", duh.

Why, exactly, are you so stupid?

You black or something?

Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773042)

Japan, technology being their biggest industry by far, is seriously shooting themselves in the foot with this one.

Re:Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773192)

Japan is big in *consumer electronics*, small clever molded devices that do one thing. General purpose computing is, if anything, less big than in the US.

Read the Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773050)

The article is actually short and answers all your stupid questions.

JAPAN: Ministry to broaden spectrum user fees

Telecommunications ministry might slap users of home information appliances and high-bandwidth wireless local area networks with spectrum user fees

The Japan Times
Tuesday, July 20, 2004

The telecommunications ministry might slap users of home information appliances and high-bandwidth wireless local area networks with spectrum user fees, ministry sources said Monday.

The Public Management, Home Affairs, Posts and Telecommunications Ministry plans to submit Radio Law revisions to introduce the new charges during next year's ordinary Diet session, the sources said.

Users of home information appliances and wireless LANs are currently exempt from paying spectrum user fees.

But the ministry plans to hit the users with these fees because such appliances use almost the same spectrum as mobile phones, whose users are required to pay the fees, they said.

The move might provoke stiff opposition from product manufacturers as it is likely to affect their sales.

The ministry plans to collect fees from users of information appliances when they purchase these products, according to the sources.

Manufacturers of home appliances are currently stepping up efforts to develop information appliances that are linked via wireless networks and can be controlled from anywhere.

Spectrum user fees have been charged in connection with licensed broadcasting and radio stations, as well as with cellular phone companies.

zan

So.... (1)

Phoenix823 (448446) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773058)

So is the 2.4Ghz band not public in Japan like it is in the US (and I would assume Europe)? Or, does their equivilent of the FCC just encourage this kind of thing?

Sounds to me like somebody decided that there's a big pot o' gold waiting for them if they can tax the numerous WiFi operators. It also sounds to me like they didn't think it through one bit. What an effective way to kill a technology like this.

This is unfair as there is no license protection (4, Interesting)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773074)

The reason this would be an unfair tax is that it's a tax on transmitters, but not a license for spectrum use.

The cell-phone frequency example cited in the article puts Joe Japanese Wifi User on par with cell companies. However, cell companies get a slice of spectrum *licensed*, all to themselves. If they find someone transmitting on that frequency other than themselves, they can order them to shut down, and/or take them to court.

Joe Wifi User gets no such protection. If two guys buy Wifi base stations and set them up next to each other, they both 'payed for the use of the spectrum' and get exactly the same ( no ) protection for the money they've paid. It's just an extra, specific tax on wifi equipment, not any sort of 'spectrum use' fee. A spectrum use fee implies a protected license to use that spectrum. Wifi ain't like that, we're all using the *same* range of frequencies.

Wifi already is taxed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773076)

In japan!

wait a minute...

Old System (1)

z0ink (572154) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773125)

This is the way the government works. I wouldn't be suprised if our government is currently pursuing an equivalent system. The government makes the carriers (backbone, isps) pay for a right-of-way on the physical cabeling through their districts. They also have to pay large amounts of taxes on using this infastructure.

With wireless the government loses out on any direct profit from communication systems, because where the simplicity of wireless comes in it also brings a giant headache for them. I expect to hear something along these lines happening any time in the near future.

Re:Old System (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773167)

With wireless the government loses out on any direct profit from communication systems, because where the simplicity of wireless comes in it also brings a giant headache for them.

That's actually an interesting point -- wireless has to be regulated and the airwaves are a shared resource. I could see maybe taxing things based on signal strength *if* they're monodirectional. Unidirectional things (laser, Pringles can 802.11b, etc) don't pose the same issue.

Re:Old System (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773218)

Ack. That should be if they're unidirectional, and spew waves in all direction. Monodirectional would continue to be untaxed.

I also have a microwave oven... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9773135)

I use the same spectrum in my microwave oven. Do I have to pay tax for using it?

Given VOIP was just OKd to be taxed by the states. (1)

saikou (211301) | more than 9 years ago | (#9773301)

What would one expect? I am sure there will be a nice little movement to charge Universal Service Fee as well. Never mind that it's illogical. Just pray that if these fees get added, they'd be one time only, and not "every month that equipment is in use". Then you will pay for VOIP dearly -- your broadband provider, tax on broadband access, tax on VOIP service, tax on WiFi router that is used to connect VOIP box.
Socialism is alive and well here... :)
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