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How Does Gmail Stack Up In The Webmail World?

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the pretty-darn-well-really dept.

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Wrecks writes "Flexbeta compares several email services that promise 1 GB of storage to see how they measure up to Google's Gmail. The review mentions how one service, ShireMail, offers far less features than SpyMac yet cost 10 times as much. The article also mentions how well Gmail is able to filter spam messages." Among the webmail options not mentioned in this review (the authors compare a total of five offerings) is another gig-of-mail offering from the Indian rediffmail.

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It's google.. (3, Insightful)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | about 10 years ago | (#9793954)

So how far will you be down-modded for talking bad about it?

Because of GMail, my yahoo account went FROM 6 MB storage to 100MB storage.

Re:It's google.. (1)

ihdaras (798225) | about 10 years ago | (#9793986)

Another news is that my rediff mail size grew from 6MB to 1000MB. (Yes it is 1GB).

Re:It's google.. (4, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | about 10 years ago | (#9794010)

Whatever floats your boat...

I personally dont TRUST any free email account now, nor will I. Free email accts are great for internet correspondance, reistration of other crap services, and other nuisance go-no go for not having an email.

The key here is trust. I pay nothing, so anything past nothing is essentially untrustable. What is there for me to take away? What I conside rin the webmail world, anything I cant get in 1 session, I *consider* deleted or lost. Whether its there later (it usually is), I still dont trust it.

Re:It's google.. (5, Informative)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | about 10 years ago | (#9794072)

Then you'll love mailinator.com. Send mail to an arbitrary address (Make it up on the fly!) and they hold it there for a couple of hours. Retrieve the mail without passwords or any other pain.

It's great for registering for NYT articles, forum accounts, or anything that will quickly send you a response.

Re:It's google.. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | about 10 years ago | (#9794115)

That sounds neat for a dead-drop ;)

Thankya much

Re:It's google.. (4, Insightful)

selderrr (523988) | about 10 years ago | (#9793998)

all of these free GB mail accounts have 1 bad aura : you never know how long the conditions, the account, or even the complete system wil last. I have a DSL connection which came with 5 mailboxes 4 years ago still going strong. I used to have usa.net account that was canceled when their service stopped, a spam-blown free.net account, and a yahoo acount that all of a sudden stopped working.

And you cant download it (1, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | about 10 years ago | (#9794137)

I got my g-mail account and discovered my mail is stuck there. I cant move it to another account or dowload it to my home computer. Having 1GB of legacy e-mail that could go poof at anytime is not very attractive, so I stopped using it.

Re:And you cant download it (5, Informative)

terrab0t (559047) | about 10 years ago | (#9794224)

Someone already wrote an app to do that. It's called Pop Goes the Gmail. You can use use it regularily to view your Gmail in a mail app (although the web interface is better), or use it for one-time batch downloads.

You can get it here [neowin.net] .

You may - in the future (2, Informative)

bluenawab (595006) | about 10 years ago | (#9794260)

From gmail help: Not at the moment, but Google believes in helping people access information whenever and however they want to do so. In the future you will be able to access Gmail messages from non-Gmail accounts for free or at a nominal fee.

I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (1)

johnjones (14274) | about 10 years ago | (#9794017)

hell

they could insert ads in the msg's and if they are useful that would be great

just let me access it by imap as well as web...

regards

john jones

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (4, Insightful)

jrockway (229604) | about 10 years ago | (#9794051)

Actually, the web interface is so much better than any email client I've ever used (elm, mutt, Evolution, Thunderbird) that I would never want to use a real email client again. My web browser is always open, and now mail is a click away.

Gmail has really changed how I use email. The conversation feature is just wonderful. So is the search. I really love it :)

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (1)

mirko (198274) | about 10 years ago | (#9794068)

Here in .CH, we've got Postmail.ch [postmail.ch] , which has got a damn good PIM fully sync'able.
Also, as the Swiss Post is a gov agency, I guess this will still be here in a few decades...
I don't think Google might last that long : remember Altavista [av.com] before Google ? There are still here but nobody (but me, especially because of their superior query language) care anymore...

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794153)

Better interface than client apps? I don't know about that. How do you create folders, and then move messages to folders? That's not at all obvious. Also, how do you send a message to one of your contacts? Where's the calendar support?

I do like the "Starred Mail" idea, and it's hella fast.

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (2, Informative)

shird (566377) | about 10 years ago | (#9794054)

try fastmail.fm.. free with imap. a one time fee of $20 will give you permanent access to the 'good stuff' forever, rather than an annual fee.

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (1)

willis (84779) | about 10 years ago | (#9794124)

I totally agree -- I wouldn't use the IMAP client much, but it freaks me out not to have a backup of my email... (and gmail looks like it'd be hard to scrape).

Re:I would PAY to get IMAP access to Gmail (1)

phlyingpenguin (466669) | about 10 years ago | (#9794246)

Their help pages do say that they're planning POP support. That'll fix all of the backup needs you may have.

Q: Does Gmail support automatic forwarding and POP3 access?

A: Not at the moment, but Google believes in helping people access information whenever and however they want to do so. In the future you will be able to access Gmail messages from non-Gmail accounts for free or at a nominal fee.

http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ er=7402&query=pop3&topic=&type=f [google.com]

Re:It's google.. (1)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | about 10 years ago | (#9794022)

Mine also. Realisticly that's all I'll ever use, even if I start swapping family photos with it.

One feature for Yahoo! (or any other webmail service) that would be nice would be the ability to detach the attachments but save the text of the message.

Re:It's google.. (2, Insightful)

mog007 (677810) | about 10 years ago | (#9794030)

I think G-Mail is a great step for webmail. I stopped using webmail back in the late 90's because Yahoo was terrible, and I didn't even bother with Hotmail.

Ignore that email address up there... it's not skewing my opinion or anything. Honest.

Re:It's google.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794213)

Speaking of gmail, I've got two invites for anyone who wants them.

indianmail (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9793955)

i wouldnt touch it with a 900 foot poll

Shiremail (5, Interesting)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 10 years ago | (#9793957)

Shiremail won't be offering anything if Warner Brothers manage to claim proof of ownership to the word "shire". The Register had an article where they are now taking the owner of shiremail to court because if might confuse their customers who might think that it is related to LoTR.

Re:Shiremail (4, Informative)

SpooForBrains (771537) | about 10 years ago | (#9793981)

I was about to say, the reason Shiremail probably costs so much is because of the lawyers they have to pay :)

Aforementioned Reg article [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Shiremail (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9793985)

Yeah, and how many English (and American?) counties will they have to sue then?

Re:Shiremail (2, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 10 years ago | (#9794055)

Yeah i know, I live in Lancashire in the UK. Imagine crossing the county border and it now states on the sign "You are now entering Lancashire (TM), we welcome all, Warner Brothers, bringing the Fylde coast together"

I think it's a bit funny.. (1, Insightful)

Demogoblin (249774) | about 10 years ago | (#9793968)

..that a google ad appeared below this article.

Re:I think it's a bit funny.. (1)

golgotha007 (62687) | about 10 years ago | (#9794158)

What ad?? [mozdev.org]

Spymac is nice, but unstable (5, Informative)

arkanes (521690) | about 10 years ago | (#9793970)

I had a spymac account and used it briefly until I had a chance to get gmail.

It's a great deal - you get your gig of email, web hosting, POP access to the email, blog, forums, etc, etc. However, the Spymac servers are almost painfully slow and it's webmail interface has nothing on Googles. POP access was barely adequate, with the POP servers being unavailable probably 50% of the time.

Also, I trust Google to stay around as a viable company and keep providing me with my email service for a lot longer than Spymac (no offense to Spymac, of course).

Re:Spymac is nice, but unstable (2, Informative)

Saven Marek (739395) | about 10 years ago | (#9794070)

About thge only thing spymac hass going for it is being one of the 3GB services. man is it slow!. POP like you said is only half there with responses from questions about why it is down coming back from tech support only to be told how to set settings up again. Webpage ftp is down almost as much but not quite.

gmail is so blindingly fast in comparison!!!. Even if gmail were only 20MB I would still use it more than spymac which I have dumped allready

Tech support (1)

jdwest (760759) | about 10 years ago | (#9794207)

I figured, what the heck and upgraded to Spymac Pro for $20, but in three months of using it, I know it is not ready for prime-time.

Pros: Lots of features (?) Cons: Sluggish, confusing and inconsistency in feature packages, e.g. my "Pro" account is now called "Wheel." Somewhat confusing to navigate and determine which features are enable based on what you paid for.

Spymac management seems to be flying by the seat of their pants as they add software and features that clearly are not stable. Documentation is sparse.

GMail, on the other hand, rocks. It is streamlined, bare-bones and ridiculously F-A-S-T (blows away all other web-based clients).

Bouncing between it and my Hotmail account makes me want to ditch Hotmail all the more. Hotmail used to be OK (pre-MS days), but so many stinking ads and an overall MS-kludgey design and interface, and a ton of spam make the "experience" pale in comparison to GMail.

Directbox? (4, Informative)

rackrent (160690) | about 10 years ago | (#9793972)

There's also a German service that offers 1.5 GB e-mail with POP and SMTP for free. I've not checked it out personally, but here is the link:

http://www.directbox.com/ [directbox.com]

Re:Directbox? (1)

TheShadowHawk (789754) | about 10 years ago | (#9794091)

THis may be a silly question, but do they have an english version of this page?

Re:Directbox? (2, Informative)

mlk (18543) | about 10 years ago | (#9794182)

Babel fish? [altavista.com]

With POP/IMAP/SMTP you only need to visit every now and again, and your'll quickly learn "delete" (loschen).

I have this problem with my account (GMX [gmx.co.uk] ) which use to have an english page, but they killed it.

I only log in to clear the spam folder, so its really not a problem.

It's not about the gig-o-space (4, Interesting)

kinema (630983) | about 10 years ago | (#9793976)

It's not about the gig-o-space as much as it is about the superb interface. Don't get me wrong. I really like having all that space but the UI is really slick. I've heard a lot about the lack of folders but once you get used to the lables you wonder why nobody else had implemented it first. It's great being able more then one label to a message.

Gmail isn't perfect. If it were it wouldn't still be in beta. The filters and addressbook are a bit primitave. I would also really like to have the ability to filter based upon a Google search.

Thus far I give Gmail an A+ and don't see any sign of Google slowing down with it's development and improvment.

Re:It's not about the gig-o-space (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | about 10 years ago | (#9794023)

really like having all that space but the UI is really slick. I've heard a lot about the lack of folders but once you get used to the lables you wonder why nobody else had implemented it first. It's great being able more then one label to a message.

I have been using GMail since mid-June. I am completely unimpressed with the labels. Labels are nice and work exactly like folders except for one thing... They aren't nested.

Ok, so they aren't nested, what's the big deal? Most people only have like 5 folders anyway. Well, I use folders for breaking down emails into specific groupings. Can't exactly do that with labels without having two things to click on. Nevermind the fact that the size of the box that they put the label names in is too small and I can't read the entire length of the line... "Geocaching.com Watched Caches" and "Geocaching.com Owned Caches" just show up as "Geocaching.co..." Not very helpful. I reported the "feature/bug" and it hasn't been fixed. Sorry but this is a major annoyance. No one creates labels longer than 12 characters?

My biggest pet peeve is the heavy reliance on JavaScript (including the requirement that you have it enabled in order to use the service). Sorry but JavaScript should not be necessary and should be eliminated completely. But that's just a personal gripe.

Re:It's not about the gig-o-space (4, Insightful)

smallfries (601545) | about 10 years ago | (#9794092)

I think that you've missed the point with the labels, they're not supposed to nest hierarchically because they can overlap. Think query rather than sorting. So in your example you'd use 3 labels; 'Geocaches', 'Watched', and 'Owned'. Then tag your messages with either 'Geocaches' and 'Watched' or 'Geocaches' and 'Owned'. Then search for messages with both labels.

Re:It's not about the gig-o-space (1)

garcia (6573) | about 10 years ago | (#9794105)

There's no sorting option and I don't want to search for all items as a query when I am trying to break mail down with filters.

There should be two seperate options.

Re:It's not about the gig-o-space (2, Interesting)

taeric (204033) | about 10 years ago | (#9794024)

I have to agree. My only complaint is that I would like to have a local backup copy of my email for the times when I'm not connected to the net. But as far as the ability to store in folders goes, labels really do get rid of the need for them. And the way it threads messages is awesome when it works.

runbox! (0, Troll)

kruczkowski (160872) | about 10 years ago | (#9793983)

If you want a good service check out runbox.com - they are 100% MS free!

You REALLY want MS free? (1)

Prod_Deity (686460) | about 10 years ago | (#9794058)

So is lunixmail.org, that's what I use.

It "just works" for me.

grammar (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9793987)

fewer features...

Re:grammar (1)

MPolo (129811) | about 10 years ago | (#9794034)

The "express lanes" in the grocery stores have killed that grammatical rule. At least the last time I checked, the only grocery store with "12 items or fewer" was Fiesta Mart in Austin.

Re:grammar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794064)

umm, you're point being...? actually, i don't give two shits about grammar... u know the whole prescriptive/descriptive thing... but there's just something about the less/fewer rule that's so logical and i think everyone should follow that rule.

the end.

Re:grammar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794130)

uh... so I guess your point is that dictionaries in this century should be compiled by a bunch of grocery workers and cashiers? In the next edition of Webster's dictionary we'll probably see "your well-come" as a reply to "thank you." This may be a good news for George W.

I've not noticed much spam to begin with... (5, Funny)

morganjharvey (638479) | about 10 years ago | (#9793989)

The article also mentions how well Gmail is able to filter spam messages.

<tongue-in-cheek>

I don't know. I haven't noticed any spam -- not even a single piece, to be exact -- going to my gmail account.
I'm making it my new experiment. I figure if I don't give my address to anybody, including school, online stuff, etc., but only give it to friends and people I know from face-to-face world, I shouldn't be getting any spam. This is only theory, of course, becuase eventually, somehow, the spammers always get my email addresses. So my experiment is to see just how long it takes them, and then I can question my friends -- and my enemies -- and see who gave my email on something that wound me up on a mailing list.

If you want to contact me and discuss my theory, you can reach me at m0gart3304haha@gmail.com.


</tongue-in-cheek>

Re:I've not noticed much spam to begin with... (1)

claes (25551) | about 10 years ago | (#9794003)

Don't count on it. As soon as one of your friends get infected by a virus, your address is out there. Or if you have friends that like to enter your address in boxes on web pages to invite you to "cool" competitions.

Re:I've not noticed much spam to begin with... (1)

RNelson (567188) | about 10 years ago | (#9794033)

And it's not in the /. comment if anything scans those for emails.

Re:I've not noticed much spam to begin with... (1)

RNelson (567188) | about 10 years ago | (#9794048)

erm, it /is/ in them...can I blame that on lack of caffeine?

DIY Gmail (4, Interesting)

nmg196 (184961) | about 10 years ago | (#9793995)

The problem with GMail is that you have to use a web browser to read your e-mail. What I want is the ability to use a normal client like Thunderbird to read my mail, but have the search capabilities of GMail. I can't find a way to accomplish this even though I own and run my own Linux mail server.

Is there any way of indexing my Maildir mailstore, or perhaps replacing my IMAP server with something more powerful that could give me a Gmail type search? If not, why not?! :)

Re:DIY Gmail (1)

ihdaras (798225) | about 10 years ago | (#9794040)

Another problem with GMail is that I can't use it with browsers which are not Java Enabled.

Re:DIY Gmail (2, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | about 10 years ago | (#9794102)

I agree that however much better the gmail interface is than the other webmail interfaces, its still webmail. I still want IMAP and Thunderbird. If you want a Gmail type search on your own e-mail you will have to write that software yourself. But, the Thunderbird guys could possibly be working on something like that for future versions. I don't see a use for it myself since I don't have more e-mail in my Inbox than I can see at one time. So searching through it is kind of useless.

What I would like, however, is for google to release gmail as a downloadable product. That way I can replace Squirrel Mail with gmail. Imagine running your own e-mail server with gmail running the web interface for it. THAT is teh hotness. I think that this is the department where google can really shine. If they do something like this and make it quality they can start to take market share away from things like Exchange.

Go Google.

Re:DIY Gmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794114)

No. if you want a Gmail-style search on your local email, use Zoe. It can also act as an IMAP, POP3, and SMTP server.

http://zoe.nu/

Re:DIY Gmail (1)

tknn (675865) | about 10 years ago | (#9794208)

I think you will see that become prevalent everywhere. Mac with Spotlight technology, Windows with whatever they come out with and Linux with all of the new refined metadata FS's like Reiser4 Soon not having extensive metadata will seem archaic.

Is this costly ?? (1, Interesting)

ihdaras (798225) | about 10 years ago | (#9794002)

Providing 1GB space for each user is not at all costly ! The latest price quote for a 40GB HDD is approximately $80 if not less. So for each user ie for each GB the cost comes to $2/user which is nothing for gaints like Google, Rediff, Spymac etc etc...

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

thebes (663586) | about 10 years ago | (#9794066)

Umm, dude? And $80 hard drive would be shredded to pieces in less than a day by the abuse the drive would go under. Do you really think they pay less than $1000 per drive even with volume discounts? Then you have to talk about hot swap capabilities, then the number of live spares, then the cooling of these high performance drives, then.....

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

lachlan76 (770870) | about 10 years ago | (#9794144)

Why buy a $1000 drive when you can just RAID-5 5 $200 drives?

Re:Is this costly ?? (3, Interesting)

lachlan76 (770870) | about 10 years ago | (#9794073)

$2/user * 100 000 000 (???) users == $200 000 000 not cheap

40 gig drives though aren't the best value really, and you have to remember the server farm that you have to put them when making the cost. So there is a lot of cost to do this.

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | about 10 years ago | (#9794095)

It will be even cheaper if they buy in bulk as well. The dollar/user ratio will look even better.

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

LardBrattish (703549) | about 10 years ago | (#9794122)

Like they are going to use IDE drives on a server. Check out the SCSI prices & subtract the bulk discount :)

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

LardBrattish (703549) | about 10 years ago | (#9794128)

Just engaged brain - you probably mean $80 US don't you? A 40Gb IDE costs around $80 Australian Dollars where I am.

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

zackeller (653801) | about 10 years ago | (#9794174)

Google does use IDE drives. It's one of their big famed techniques. They just raid the hell out of them. So we're talking a few bucks a gig, still.

But people won't use the full space anyway. Most people will probably use less than 10% of that, which is very doable for almost any company.

Re:Is this costly ?? (1)

timgoh0 (781057) | about 10 years ago | (#9794123)

What makes you think you really have to provide 1GB of diskspace to every user? Will every user actually use 1GB of diskspace? On average, how big can a mail account grow?

Re:Is this costly ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794143)

Since much of email is text, even simple compression could go a long way for saving disk space.

Re:Is this costly ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794193)

According to pricewatch.com the price for a 200GB hard drive is at about $100, which comes to a very nice $1 per GB...meaning $1 per user. Indeed, not very much for a big company like Google.

And that doesn't take into account compression of email, the fact that not every user will actually use an entire gig, or the fact that they would be surely be buying hard drives by the thousands.

It's about time that a company stepped up to provide users with a mailbox of a decent storage size.

Privacy concerns (-1, Redundant)

dj28 (212815) | about 10 years ago | (#9794004)

I'm sure gmail stacks up really well (if not beating all of) against the competition.

But a more important question: How well does the intrusiveness of gmail stack up against other providers? With Google reading each email that passes through their servers, it's a question that needs to be answered. Has a review been written about this?

MOD PARENT UP (1)

Dikky (613893) | about 10 years ago | (#9794039)


Re:Privacy concerns (2, Informative)

OneDeeTenTee (780300) | about 10 years ago | (#9794050)

Any spam filter that doesn't run on your own system reads every email you receive.

Does your ISP have a spam filter?

Re:Privacy concerns (1)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | about 10 years ago | (#9794090)

Yeah, Google is reading my mail. You realize that Google isn't Mr. Google right? WHO THE FUCK CARES if a machine is "reading" my e-mail? lol. Oh shite. Do you think that the computers at Google can understand what you've written? lmao!

"Reading" (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | about 10 years ago | (#9794104)

Google don't "read" your email.
Your email will be processed by their servers but to the servers don't "know" what they are doing. Whether they are parsing through your email to choose an advert or simply to format it in html the servers don't know or care, they are just mindless computers executing some instructions.

I think a webmail service whose computers don't process your mail will be a rather useless one.

Re:Privacy concerns (1)

RealBeanDip (26604) | about 10 years ago | (#9794116)

The intrusiveness of gmail is almost non-existant.

However, I actually LIKE IT! I was reading an email from a friend about solar power, and sure enough on the right side were adverts for websites that had solar panels. This was very handy and saved me from the logical next step.

So IMO it's actually nice GREAT to see adverts that pertain to something you might actually be interested in instead of randomly targetted crap.

Re:Privacy concerns (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794142)

Your current email provider can read your email.
But you know what, they don't cos you are a DULL FUCKING TWAT THAT NOONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT.

Have a nice day.

Indian gigmail (3, Funny)

s20451 (410424) | about 10 years ago | (#9794006)

In India, you don't need hard drives to run a gigabyte mail service. You just get a billion peasants and pay them 50 cents a month to remember a single character.

Re:Indian gigmail (1)

russx2 (572301) | about 10 years ago | (#9794180)

Half a billion dollars a month for roughly a gig of storage seems like the more costly solution to be honest.

Re:Indian gigmail (0, Flamebait)

vk2 (753291) | about 10 years ago | (#9794262)

You just get a billion peasants and pay them 50 cents a month to remember a single character

Considering your math and calculations its no wonder jobs are going offshore.

Will google start unifying its services? (5, Interesting)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | about 10 years ago | (#9794014)

This is probably offtopic, but what the hell...

Google currently handles a good USENET service, a good news service, the internet's best web search service, a blogging service, and now an email service.

What's keeping them from taking a unifying approach to everything they have? I'd love to have a home page that I could customize the content (sort of like what my.yahoo has). Latest threads in subscribed-to newsgroups, headlines from news.google.com with my favorite filters, quick summaries of who's sent new emails, etc.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying that this sort of portal service should be mandatory and the only way to get at the individual services. I understand that google's simplicity is part of its elegance. But, at the same time, one of the things that spymac is doing right is that all of their services are available from a central location. If google is going to keep branching out into all these new areas, why not try to create a singular portal to get at all of them?

Re:Will google start unifying its services? (2, Informative)

br0ck (237309) | about 10 years ago | (#9794088)

Check out the new beta [google.com] . It definitely looks like their heading for integration. Go to any recent post and there's a reply box that automatically uses your Gmail account. There Slashdot article about this about 2 weeks ago.

Re:Will google start unifying its services? (1)

ffsnjb (238634) | about 10 years ago | (#9794103)

Stock semi-customizable portals blow. Write your own, carry it on your usb drive or fetch it from your own webserver (geocities, whatever) and be much happier.

Re:Will google start unifying its services? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | about 10 years ago | (#9794121)

"What's keeping them from taking a unifying approach to everything they have? I'd love to have a home page that I could customize the content (sort of like what my.yahoo has). Latest threads in subscribed-to newsgroups, headlines from news.google.com with my favorite filters, quick summaries of who's sent new emails, etc."

Well... you could always use the google API and create your own custom homepage that does all that (hypothetically)

But yeah, a CLEAN portal that kept pulse of things I'm interested in would be cool...

E.

Disadvantage with big boxes (1)

ihdaras (798225) | about 10 years ago | (#9794015)

If someone wanted to mail bomb you, then it would not be very difficult for him to do so....However it will be difficult for you to clean up all the mess.

Wouldn't this be a universal problem? (1)

poohsuntzu (753886) | about 10 years ago | (#9794047)

Every email client has that problem, the difference being with 3rd party applications you can use the mouse or keyboard to highlight multiple emails to delete mass quantities at a time.

However, unless you keep all your email that you have read in the inbox rather than in the Archive folder (which is what is recommended, placing read email in the Archive folder) it would be much easier to use the "Select all" feature and then just deselect the valid emails.

I don't forsee this being a real problem.

Re:Wouldn't this be a universal problem? (1)

ffsnjb (238634) | about 10 years ago | (#9794119)

It was a huge problem back in the day when Hotmail didn't have a select all function. The Unabomber was my friend when people needed to be taught a lesson: deleting 10,000 emails one at a time sucks. :)

(Stupid high school hijinks!)

Gmail (4, Interesting)

Dalroth (85450) | about 10 years ago | (#9794036)

I've been using Gmail for a few months now. The interface is very good, very useable, and has quite a few features that the other services do not offer (such as hot keys).

The only problem with Gmail is that the address book sucks. It only stores basic information, it adds weird people to your address book without your permission (mailing lists), and worst of all it doesn't yet support distribution lists.

IF they fix the address book, the Gmail service will be awesome.

Bryan

GMail spam filter? (4, Interesting)

RealBeanDip (26604) | about 10 years ago | (#9794041)

To be totally honest:

I haven't found gmail to be that good at filtering spam. I forward two accounts to it that have been around since, oh, 1998 or so and it catches maybe 30 percent of the spam, the rest ends up in my inbox. We're talking about 500 messages a day.

Using Hotmail with those same two accounts, I'd see about 5 percent of the spam, maybe less. Yahoo is a little worse, about 10 percent in the inbox.

So I hope gmail gets better. I do like a lot of things about it; the conversations, stars, etc... very nice and easy to use.

How to solve: (5, Informative)

poohsuntzu (753886) | about 10 years ago | (#9794063)

When you notice spam, click the box beside it and then the button "Report as Spam".

Google will eventually be able to build up quite the comprehensive list of email/servers to block, but for now, like the software itself, that spam detector is in beta.

Note, this isn't a troll to just state the obvious feature of spam reporting, but to remind people that their database of spam to block may still be small until we continue doing our job of reporting it in.

Re:How to solve: (4, Interesting)

RealBeanDip (26604) | about 10 years ago | (#9794076)

Good point.

I've been reporting it, but haven't noticed gmail getting any better at identifying it.

I consider spam to be a major problem with my personal email accounts right now. With hotmail offering 2 gig of space (like you would ever need that) and its excellent spam block, I may just opt to fork over the $20 per year for the spam filter alone.

Re:How to solve: (3, Informative)

azaris (699901) | about 10 years ago | (#9794201)

When you notice spam, click the box beside it and then the button "Report as Spam".

Google will eventually be able to build up quite the comprehensive list of email/servers to block, but for now, like the software itself, that spam detector is in beta.

The only server that Google will block as a result of this will be his ISPs mailserver forwarding this stuff to Gmail. In general, forwarding e-mail from one account to another breaks a lot of anti-spam stuff (IP blocklists and header parsers for example).

Re:GMail spam filter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794071)

Interesting I did the same thing and Gmail with training now catches about 89% of the spam I get. No false positives yet either. I've been using and tagging spam since March, how long have you?

Re:GMail spam filter? (1)

RealBeanDip (26604) | about 10 years ago | (#9794126)

I've had my account since about the middle of June.

I will agree with you about the false positives - only one that I've noticed.

G's spam filter is irrelevant, (3, Insightful)

nusratt (751548) | about 10 years ago | (#9794044)

(mostly) -- for my usage, that is.

-- I use webmail, but not for high-volume long-term storage.
I download-and-delete my webmail to perm storage, so I don't need massive space,
and I'm happy to let my local filter do my spam filtering.

-- I use webmail just for two purposes:
(1) to keep a long-term copy a few things I might want when away (e.g., editor, telnet client, etc.);
(2) to check my mail when I temporarily can't access my perm mail storage --
and at those times, I'm willing to tolerate the spam if the server doesn't catch it.

Webmail? (4, Interesting)

SirPhreak (122663) | about 10 years ago | (#9794052)

Sure gmail is considered webmail, but its definitely one of the first webapps I've that seen. When i'm checking my gmail I don't feel like i'm using webpage, I feel like i'm using a very well crafted application.

Yahoo email (5, Interesting)

claes (25551) | about 10 years ago | (#9794053)

Since about a month, my Yahoo mail Plus account offers me ad-free email with 2 GB of space. Integrated with an address book which I can export and import in a number of formats, and a calendar. They also have a feature where I can create disposable addresses as often as I want, for example when I am web shopping. I also pay for their Personal Address feature, so that they basically host email for a domain I own. I also get POP access, forwarding, (but I don't use it) and great spam filtering.

This costs some money of course, but I think it is worth it. I haven't tried gmail (no one has invited me), many people here think it has many unique features, but yahoo mail has features that gmail does not have. Until gmail offers personal address, there is no chance I will switch.

dumb question but.... (3, Insightful)

zogger (617870) | about 10 years ago | (#9794074)

...not being shy I'll ask it anyway. Isn't it possible, given that you can buy cheap generic hosting now, to just run your own web based email, instead of using a third party service where you don't have as much control over it? All I can see as an advantage with gmail and whatnot is that it is free, but after that, it is still a hassle and you get ads, etc. I would think that getting your own independent email service might be better in the long run, it adds an element of security-no evile stuff gets downloaded to your machine, and you have control over what gets saved and doesn't and who looks at it,and the obvious portability and access from anyplace that is the same with other web based emails, etc. Well, somewhat anyway.

Anyone have an experience in this, any recommendations?

hotmail (1)

koan (80826) | about 10 years ago | (#9794078)

~20$ a year
We are now pleased to announce that your storage capacity will be increased to a massive 2GB with 20MB attachment size by the beginning of September, at no extra cost to you*!

Interpet the asterix anyway you choose:

*At the end of your current subscription period, the current annual price for MSN Hotmail Plus will be automatically charged to your credit card until you cancel your subscription or select an alternative plan. Prices and service subject to change. Hotmail Plus accounts that are in good standing are exempt from automatic e-mail deletion due to inactivity.

Yeah, but it is still Microsoft (1)

TheShadowHawk (789754) | about 10 years ago | (#9794101)

I think one of the attractions to gmail is that it is run by Google and not that "other" company.

I just feel dirty when I use hotmail, regardless of current or propsed mailbox size.

Plus gmail's interface totally rocks and I barely notice the ads. :)

Re:Yeah, but it is still Microsoft (1)

koan (80826) | about 10 years ago | (#9794120)

Yes I am familiar with the attitude towards "all things M$" just look at the reaction to my apple comments =)

Re:Yeah, but it is still Microsoft (1)

ghost cat (651060) | about 10 years ago | (#9794160)

You're not alone :) Besides the name itself - HOTMAIL - sounds dirty ! can't stand any products which have the words "hot" or "easy" in their names (unless "hot" is related to the temperature)

I still use yahoo (-1, Troll)

Ilgaz (86384) | about 10 years ago | (#9794113)

Not infected by NSA, unlike google

Review is questionable (2, Interesting)

rgoldste (213339) | about 10 years ago | (#9794141)

There are "Ads by Google" just under every page's review text. At the very least, there's a conflict of interest here.

Which ones work with plain text ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9794217)

All I want to know is one thing. Which free ones work with plain text only ? No java, javascript, active x,.....

Qwality Maths in this review.... (4, Funny)

Dj (224) | about 10 years ago | (#9794218)

"For £3.50/month or $6.50 US you get 1 GB of email space, virus scanning, and spam filtering. Calculating this amount into a yearly term, that's about $195 US per year; which is about 10 times what you would pay for a SpyMac Mail Pro account and six times as much as RunBox."

Duuuh $6.50x12=$78.

Or are they beta testing some calculators too there?
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