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Apple, Motorola Plan An iTunes-Friendly Phone

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the 12-songs-isn't-much-even-as-ringtones dept.

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PabloJones writes "Apple and Motorola have come together to create a new mp3-enabled cell phone, according to this Reuters article. It says that the device will be capable of storing about 12 songs, and will be fully integrated with iTunes. Perhaps this is a beginning of a new relationship between the two companies, after the PowerPC problems between the two in recent years."

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gnaa fp (-1, Troll)

I have this account (800000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808166)

you dirty cuntrags.

Re:gnaa fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808224)

You COCKSUCKING son of a bitch!@

Todd Rimmington Presents LINUX LIES (0, Troll)

W32.Klez.A (656478) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808404)

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Re:Todd Rimmington Presents LINUX LIES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808485)

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Please contact me, Elaine Quijano at CNN [cnn.com] to arrange an interview.

KLERCK ANNOUNCES THAT HE HAS A DATE!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808167)

You go, girl!

Re:KLERCK ANNOUNCES THAT HE HAS A DATE!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808271)

pics please.

Re:KLERCK ANNOUNCES THAT HE HAS A DATE!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808490)

and i don't mean klerck. we've seen enough of him.

Sounds Good... (3, Interesting)

Dozix007 (690662) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808170)

It sounds like a great idea, I have to say I have been wating for such a cellphone for a while. I do have a few potential issues though. Battery life and size. While the Palm Cell phones were cool, they would eat a battery in about an hour and were about as sleek as carrying a forty pound rock.

Re:Sounds Good... (3, Funny)

mothz (788133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808349)

Sure, it sounds like a good idea now, but you won't be too happy when poor yields force Motorola to "roll back" the phones to hold only seven songs, just like Apple's 500MHz G4 fiasco.

Re:Sounds Good... (4, Interesting)

cynic10508 (785816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808367)

It sounds like a great idea, I have to say I have been wating for such a cellphone for a while. I do have a few potential issues though. Battery life and size. While the Palm Cell phones were cool, they would eat a battery in about an hour and were about as sleek as carrying a forty pound rock.

What would be really cool is if this was integrated with Bluetooth into a Motorola phone. Since my Powerbook has built-in Bluetooth the phone could then just stream from the Powerbook and use the 12-song space as a cache.

Re:Sounds Good... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808392)

they have that. it's called a Sony Ericsson P900.

Re:Sounds Good... (1, Informative)

cynic10508 (785816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808460)

I should have prefaced: I'm on a CDMA network, not GSM.

Re:Sounds Good... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808444)

A Bluetooth stream would suck, too much interference and too little bandwidth to make up for it. Plus that would eat up battery life like no other.

Uh, woo? (4, Interesting)

i_am_syco (694486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808171)

I thought that the whole reason Apple was winning because they weren't selling 12-song devices.

Re:Uh, woo? (3, Funny)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808186)

Hey, I'm not selling 12-song devices and I'm not winning... must be something else...

Re:Uh, woo? (5, Insightful)

bedouin (248624) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808227)

Apple has nothing to lose from this, but a great deal to gain. There's people out there who don't know, or think they want an mp3 player -- this will get them hooked not only on the idea, but on Apple's intuitive interface. When it comes time to upgrade to something that can hold more than 12 songs, chances are they'll consider something iTunes compatible (i.e. an iPod).

And even if it means no iPod sales, it still gives Apple stronger brand recognition.

Re:Uh, woo? (4, Insightful)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808391)

>Apple has nothing to lose from this, but a great deal to gain.

Not sure what they have to gain from this.

Half an iPod with an interface which I'm not sure how its going to work with a cell phone, doesn't sound like a strong product.

And they have alot to lose. Its called watering down a brand-name.

>There's people out there who don't know, or think they want an mp3 player

So why would they buy it with a cell phone? Why not go for this nicer/cheaper/better cell phone?

Apple should do the next step 100% with their iPod. No half PDA or half cellphone combos. Full working PDA/"Son of Newton" and a full blown iPod with a cellphone.

Re:Uh, woo? (1)

Turmio (29215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808248)

They aren't selling 12-song devices themselves but I guess they can win by selling/licensing technology to companies that are doing that.

Hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808172)

I would just like to say that lunde- is suspicious. hihi.

Slashdot doesn't render well in Firefox (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808176)

Or Mozilla. Come on, what the heck is going on here?

I'm not talking about the nemesis of IE, the banality of Opera (who has the audacity to charge money, heaven forfend someone make a living) or Netscape.

Obviously something's wrong with Slashcode not the browsers.

Re:Slashdot doesn't render well in Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808430)

Mods on crack or Taco doesn't appreciate criticism.
Go jerk off to fetchmail.

iPhone? (1)

gz76 (771445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808178)

Didn't apple used to own the iPhone domain name? If so, let's see how much they pay to get it back!

Re:iPhone? (2, Informative)

agentmouthwash (609247) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808279)

they still do.
Go to iphone.org

Re:iPhone? (1)

gz76 (771445) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808307)

Ah, it was .org! (The whole iphone domain was just a distant memory in my mind - I was beginning to wonder whether it was a real memory at all!) So what other domains does Apple own? I remember they owned some weird ones like giraffe.org or something like that. How many of those weird ones have become reality? With Apples product naming conventions (Safari, Tiger, etc.) maybe they've shown clear forward planning?

But iTunes is not mp3 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808197)

or is it ?

Re:But iTunes is not mp3 ? (5, Informative)

wbd (88361) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808313)

The iTunes MUSIC STORE uses AAC encoded music (an open standard) with Apple's proprietary FairPlay DRM.

The iTunes APPLICATION, which is usuable with our without the iTunes Music Store, supports MP3, AAC, AAC+Fairplay, WAV, Audible audiobooks, Apple Lossless Compression (ALC), possibly more I can't remember. It can rip to MP3, AAC, or ALC.

Re:But iTunes is not mp3 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808330)

Not to be picky, but it can also rip to AIFF and WAV.

The real question? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808400)

Can I rip a cell phone conversation to MP3?

ahhhh yes, motorola strikes again (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808198)

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12 songs? does it play pong also? (2, Insightful)

nanojath (265940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808199)

12 songs? like an... album? what do they got in their, a hamster? it can't possibly be that hard to find somewhere to stuff a couple more MP3s in a cell phone. why so stingy?

Re:12 songs? does it play pong also? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808302)

Err, to be successful, it also need to be cheep.

Re:12 songs? does it play pong also? (5, Informative)

Graff (532189) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808364)

12 songs? like an... album? what do they got in their, a hamster? it can't possibly be that hard to find somewhere to stuff a couple more MP3s in a cell phone. why so stingy?

The poster of the story got it a bit wrong. It's not a dozen songs, it is dozenS of songs. [macworld.com] So think more like a couple of albums worth, not one album worth of songs.

Remember that most songs will probably be full 128 kbit iTunes Music Store AAC files. Judging from the songs I've bought from the iTMS each song will take up around 3.5 MB so a dozen will take 42 MB. That adds up pretty quick. You could fit about 36 songs onto a 128 MB flash card, which sounds reasonable for a flash-based cell phone/MP3 player.

No - Too simple - Not 12 Songs (1)

LuckyLimey (720683) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808431)

Why so miopic - How about a subscription service to 12 news sources, International, Local, sports, finance etc. that updates daily/hourly to the phone..., something analogous to a .mac account on iTunes. Text alerts on Steroids. Everyone is screwing around trying to build digital newsprint, ebooks etc... I love getting my books etc. on CD etc. Once more... a paradigm shift - text messaging/alerts - obsolete - just like that:)

Why doesn't Apple just make this the iPhone (4, Interesting)

adzoox (615327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808206)

I don't know why this couldn't be the iPhone. Co-branding is in Apple's past.

Then again, one could read that this announcement came from Motorola's web site as an indication that it won't be the last deal with a phone manufacturer. Maybe the iPhone is just further down the road.

Apple has done this before.

The Quicktake 200 Camera was a Fuji DS7 camera - they were no different. The Apple Quicktake however used a better JPEG compression technology (read as quicktime) - that was especially developed for the Quicktake. Apple also created it's own system level camera reading and editting software.

I think this could represent a possible new hardware direction and unlike many have suggested I think this DOES possibly mean an Iphone from Apple could be in the works. Except this time, unlike the iPod that is Windows and Mac; the iPhone will be for Macs ONLY, the Moto version will be for everyone else.

Semi unrelated - a smaller footprint of iTunes would also be easier to emulate - possibly giving Linux a better shot at a quality iTunes solution.

Re:Why doesn't Apple just make this the iPhone (2, Insightful)

PabloJones (456560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808282)

I believe that in the past, Jobs has stated that Apple wouldn't make a phone, as it was not in their best interest. Maybe they're testing the waters, to eventually come out with the rumored iPhone, but I sort of doubt this.

It's possible Apple is using this to promote the purchase of iPods. 12 songs isn't a hell of a lot, but these phones will most likely introduce even more people to iTMS, and when they are fed up with only having a handful songs on their phone, they'll spring for a new iPod.

Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (4, Interesting)

Amiga Trombone (592952) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808208)

...from their failure to license the Mac technology. This time around, their going to license their iPod technology to every Tom, Dick and Harry and establish it as an industry standard.

Good for them!

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (1)

funkywhat2 (731199) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808225)

Except Real

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/ 1042257&tid=141&tid=100&tid=176&ti d=1

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (2, Insightful)

HanzoSpam (713251) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808288)

Understandable enough. Apple earns revenue from licensing on this every time Motorola sells a cell phone. What do they earn when Real sells a song?

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (1)

tarth (445054) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808428)

Well, if people can play them on their iPod, possibly quite a bit from larger iPod sales.

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (5, Funny)

speleo (61031) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808290)

Yeah, too bad that Firewire thing never amounted to anything...

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (0, Redundant)

berniecase (20853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808410)

Yeah, too bad it's standard on every DV camcorder in the industry. Real shame, that.

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (1)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808487)

uhh, pretty sure that the parent was being sarcastic.

Apple Profit From All Firewire Sales? (1)

idonotexist (450877) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808491)

Curious... I've never heard of them receiving a royalty.

Re:Looks like Apple learned a lesson... (-1, Flamebait)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808479)

IPOD Technology? WTF is IPOD Technology? The only thing unusual about the ipod is it looks a little bit cooler then the other mp3 players. Other then that its a dsp and a hard drive just like all the other mp3 players.

Wow. (4, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808214)

The multi-million dollar cell-phone ringer market just SHIT ITS PANTS.

*squirt* *plop*

If people can pop some songs onto their phone, why pay a dollar or two for a 10 second clip that sounds like it was recorded on an 8-trak?

hehe. Fuck'em.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808244)

Actually, it's several billion dollars a year. Hard to believe, but true.

Re:Wow. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808284)

Except that just about every major carrier already offers 'realtones' (or a similar name) for their newer phones, which are the actual songs, and usually similarly priced to their monophonic and polyphonic tones.

But if people are like this friend I have, who, when I was assisting him in purchasing a ringtone, went for the polyphonic instead of the 'realtone' because of its distintive 'oh that's my cellphone ringing, it's not just someone's discman turned up too loud' sound... then this won't be the huge success it already hasn't been.

In conclusion, you are stupid.

And fucking disgusting. What are you, twelve?

Re:Wow. (3, Insightful)

PabloJones (456560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808323)

Yeah, it's truly a shame those satellite phones never took off... just think, you could have Musak beamed down to it when you needed to put someone on hold, and then people could listen to an instrumental version of "Walkin' on Sunshine" while you used the can.

Hmmmm, well maybe that's not such a shame after all.

Re:Wow. (2, Interesting)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808375)

You bring up an interesting point. Now, a question. I am going to be purchasing a cell phone soon, and while I don't want to purchase songs to put on there, I have several mp3s of music I've created I'd like to put on there and use as ringtones. Can anybody recommend a phone that lets you put your own mp3s onto it?

Re:Wow. (2, Informative)

Fuzion (261632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808440)

I'm using the Motorola V220, it has a mini-usb connector, which you can connect directly to your computer, and download MP3s, images, etc. It only has 1.8MB or so of storage, so you have to re-encode your mp3s at a lower bitrate, and maybe crop it also, but overall it's not too bad. And it's got quad-band, a camera, and quite a few other features.

I'll Wait ... (4, Interesting)

angrist (787928) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808219)

until I can get ALL the functionality of both devices in one package.

With only 12 songs, I'd still need my iPod for real music needs. Will the phones have headphone jacks? I sure don't want to listen to music from a single crappy phone speaker.

While this is a step in the right direction, it's not enough.
When I can fully replace my iPod, cell phone, and PDA with one device, i'll buy.

Re:I'll Wait ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808253)

Will we see a return to rotary dialing of phone numbers with an iPod-like scroll wheel interface?

Re:I'll Wait ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808354)

Hey, I'm all for that so long as it makes the clicking noise when you dial.

Re:I'll Wait ... (0, Troll)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808445)

Yes and then people will defend that design issue with arguments like;

"my grandmother understands it"
"its simplier elegent UI"
"a refreshing change for the masses and advanced users alike"
"How intutive is right-clicking anyways?"

Whoops, scratch that last one.

They're not called mp3's... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808221)

you insensitive clod! It's called AAC.

12 Songs? (4, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808223)

I can understand the appeal of holding a few MP3s on your cellphone (to a degree), but only 12 songs? Now Apple considders a song to be a 128 kbps AAC file 4 minutes long (off the bottom of the iPod tech spec page). So that means that this thing must hold 48 minutes of audio, 48mb of storage (since 128 kbps is about a meg a minute).

First of all, the 48mb seems a little odd to me. I guess it's a 64mb device, with 16 used for the phone's OS/address book/ringtones/etc. But more importantly, why not make it hold 74 minutes of music. One full CD. I think that would be ideal for tiny storage. That would be 74mb, and if you include the 16 for the phone's other requirements you get 90 megs. That means that using 96 mb of memory on the phone, you could hold the OS and such, and 80 minutes of audio. Seems fantastic to me.

That said, I have three other comments. First, how 'bout bluetooth so you can use your Bluetooth headset to listen to music? Second, will the memory be expandable? That would be great. Third, can you use your files (MP3, AAC, etc) as ringtones? Those would be three nice things.

It will be interesting to see how all this pans out.

Re:12 Songs? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808236)

You, sir, are a nazi hog-fucker.

Re:12 Songs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808357)

You, sir, are a nazi hog-fucker.

so many negative words in one sentance!

Re:12 Songs? (1)

Zemrec (158984) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808393)

Hmm, and you know if you add in just a few more megs, you might be able to have 2 CDs in there (148MB)...And well, hey, that's getting pretty close to 256 MB, and in any case they don't make flash RAM in anything but powers of 2...so there's your 256 MB...Gee, wouldn't it be great if you could also fit your photo library on there and show everyone you walk by how cute your kitty is? I'd say that should be 512 MB...Wow, thats awfully close to 1 GB, heck, yeah let's make it an even gig. Then again 4 GB is even better so...

Re:12 Songs? (1)

Razzak (253908) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808396)

Ehhh... my cell phone can barely talk for 2+ hours. If I listened to more than 45 minutes of music on one it wouldn't be able to be a cell anymore.

Re:12 Songs? (1)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808475)

the energy intensive part of a cell call is transmitting RF, not the flirking audio amp.

--
lds

Press Release from Motorola (4, Informative)

Saxton (34078) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808228)

Press Release from Motorola [motorola.com]

Yes, I understand that might be considered karma whoring, but at least it's informative. Enjoy.

-s4xton

On hold (4, Interesting)

moberry (756963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808231)

Now how freakin' cool would it be, when you put a freind on hold to take another call, poop, etc. It would play the music (in a somewhat reduced qaulity) like companies do when they put you on hold. just remember [slashdot.org] to properly liscense it.

huh? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808318)

somewhat reduced quality? Have you listened to the crap they play when they put you on hold? Pretty much anything in my music collection is going to be better quality than the cheesy muzak they normally put on there.....

Re:huh? (1)

usr122122121 (563560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808390)

somewhat reduced quality? Have you listened to the crap they play when they put you on hold? Pretty much anything in my music collection is going to be better quality than the cheesy muzak they normally put on there.....
Watch it, buster :-)

I was jamming to Dave Brubeck's album Time Out when I was on Apple's Customer Service line the other day.

I admit it felt a bit geeky to actually have "hold music" in my music library :-p

Big picture integration (1)

Thinkit4 (745166) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808232)

Of course we'll get iPod-phones someday. But I'm still waiting to be uploaded to a computer. All your data will be a thought away, not a click away. I've already started on the transhuman route (check my sig).

12 Songs? (2, Insightful)

serial_crusher (591271) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808234)

Call me (no pun intended) when it has a 40GB hard drive.

iPhone? (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808238)

The hell with an iTunes Moto phone - I want an Apple mobile phone. It's time for Apple to shake up the mobile device market again with a leap to something that competes with the Treo 600, with fancy HW and a UI so simple it's legal to use while driving. C'mon, Jobs - you've reinvented a better Walkman, now let's see you reinvent a better PC on top of that!

Re:iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808319)

I think I speak for all Mac users when I say:
We don't want a Motorola phone with Apple features.
We want a true Apple iPhone made by Motorola!

Sync is also a major feature of Tiger.
Launching an iPhone that tightly integrates with Tiger would be huge!

Re:iPhone? (2)

jvj24601 (178471) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808332)

Apple mobile phone? I want one!

Just take the contents of the iPod mini, throw in the circuitry of a mobile phone, and put it into a regular iPod case. Make the phone only work with headphones/headset. Now you've bundled a phone in the same space as an iPod.

The iPhonePod would support iSync, which mean that the calendar and address book are automatically sync'ed along with music when it's docked.

Subsequent models can possibly add better input-level functionality to this device for full PDA-level replacement, but I'd take this now. I have my Palm Pilot. I have my cell phone. And I want to get an iPod. But I want just one device.

I can only dream...

yes yes yes!! (2, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808363)

Running NewtonOS no doubt. :)

OK, fine, running PalmOS. But please do it!! Of course, we all know Apple won't, because Jobs doesn't think Apple can rule the phone/pda market. The thing is, we all know that if Apple spent twenty minutes thinking about it, they could come up with a device that blows away what's out there. Treos are cool, but such things try to do too much and do it all in a mediocre manner. Apple could easily combine the simplicity of their interfaces with the tools required.

Here's one message I wish cell phone manufacturers would get .... there is no necessary reason a cell phone must look like a phone. It doesn't have to be cradled in my neck in a way that distracts me from driving AND screws up my spine. Make a headset essential and build a device that has a more practical shape for what it does. Then build different shaped devices for different needs (and then maybe I can finally get my dream emate-2 [slashdot.org] )!

Re:iPhone? (1)

MikeXpop (614167) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808478)

Steve Jobs has gone on record saying he won't enter the phone market or PDA market because he can't see any way to drastically improve it enough to completely pwn* the market.

*That's not a typo

if they allow too many (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808241)

songs on the phones, what's the point in buying an iPod?

Quite sensible really, if they want to continue with the iPod, which I'm sure they do.

Steve working with Motorola?!? (1)

Sebby (238625) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808268)

Hell must have fozen over, right after it broke loose!

Well if we're lucky, the phones will be just about able to play songs encoded at 8Kbps speed. Of course when doing this the phones will be running hot as hell and you won't be able to hold or carry one... but don't worry, the next generation of phones will be able to play 9Kbps songs and will only be about 20 degrees hotter than the current ones when playing songs.

And the color is... (2, Funny)

christ0pher (750149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808292)

So...do you suppose the phone will be available in colors other than white?

Not that exciting (4, Informative)

localekko (587362) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808296)

The Nokia 6230 [nokia.com] (and the forthcoming 6260) are somewhat more impressive, using interchangeable MMCs to store up to and above 128Mb of data. And I don't think iTunes compatibility is a great reason to endure such lousy storage capacity.

12 Songs Absurd (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808300)

I admit I didn't RTFA and only the /. byline, but only 12 songs?

There are sell-fones that have long been in existance with built-in MP3, WMA, and WAV players that accept high-capcity removable memory-stick storage (128mb+). Like the Sony-Ericsson P800 & P900. These phones are GPRS and Bluetooth enabled, natch (and yes, that's enough bandwidth to transfer some content). Undoubtedly there are a few that take CF as well.

If 12 songs is the most they're going to offer you, when it's abundantly clear that's lightyears off of the current technical ceiling, then someone's trying to screw us (surprise).

Why Motorola? (2, Interesting)

Dr. Mu (603661) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808320)

They're not exactly the hottest name in cellphones right now.

Drain on batteries... (2, Interesting)

TheOtherAgentM (700696) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808325)

I just see another device that doesn't need to be combined with a phone. I just want my phone to make calls and maybe sync contacts with my computer. Phone battery life barely lasts long enough for some days, even without all the fancy gadgets. Putting two good things together doesn't always make a better product. It's like the one Simpsons where Homer is eating out of a can and it says, "Gum and Nuts: Together at Last."

Battery life??? (3, Insightful)

droopus (33472) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808326)

Um, my phone barely makes it through the day on its extended life battery. How the heck is it going to last all day if I use it as my music source as well?

I might be alone, but I really prefer a Sidekick (or Blackberry, I spose...) for my net, email and PDA functions and my cell for phone calls and little else. Other than the occasional game of Jeopardy, I rarely use my cell for much besides a mobile phone.

fuck a NiggA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808368)

lead to 'cleaner and Juli*et 40,,00 feel an obligation having lost 93%

Can you download over the phone? (2, Interesting)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808389)

A 12-song player is not all that exciting. However, if they make it so you can download songs to it over the phone, then it becomes a lot more interesting. Keep your collection on your home computer with your always-on broadband connection, and grab songs 12 at a time for playback on the phone.

Re:Can you download over the phone? (1)

berniecase (20853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808469)

3G data speeds would allow for near-streaming of tracks. That'd be cool. Imagine if it had Internet radio support.

Everyone is complaining about 12 songs already (3, Interesting)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808413)

It's funny to see so many people griping about the 12 song capacity of the phone. Lets not forget all the cries of "why the hell would anyone want to buy an iPod when you can get something so much cheaper?" Then the iPod Mini came out and instead of griping about it competing against the product from another company, they cried "but who will buy this? Why not spend $50 more and get a full size iPod that holds so much more music?"

C'mon people. Have faith in Apple. They seem to know what they're doing (finally...we'll just forget about the Cube...). When your son or daughter (who probably helped put the iPod Mini on the 25 year (slight exaggeration) waiting list is at the wireless store comparing phones, are they going to be looking at the phones that have no ring-tone options, crappy ring-tone options, or the cool new phone that plays music from iTunes (considering they probably already own an iPod and iPod Mini).

I see a lot of "12 song only" complaints but I bet three months after release, this will be a wildly popular phone.

The Cube rocked... (2, Interesting)

droopus (33472) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808468)

(finally...we'll just forget about the Cube...)

I bought a Cube (500mhz) the day they came out (waited five months, but oh well.)

It still sits on my wife's desk, working faithfully and silently, handling her little business and the house bills, along with her mail, browsing and Office stuff. It's 802.11b, and has never had a touch of trouble.

It still gets compliments and "what the heck is that?" comments, and still will get $550-$600 on ebay.

Nothing wrong with the Cube at all...people just wanted a better, more flexible desktop, satisfied with the G5 I'm typing on.

Cubes rocked!

Bluetooth Remote (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808422)

The real iPhone will be when Apple makes an official bluetooth remote [mac.com] . I've got a Sony Ericsson T610 and it's amazingly useful for controlling VLC and iTunes from my couch, but current cell phones weren't meant to be used like this. If Apple designed a bluetooth phone with nicely laid out iTunes/DVD remote features, I'd be first in line to buy one.

Who can out cynic the cynics?! (3, Insightful)

berniecase (20853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808435)

Welcome to Slashdot, Cynical haven.

Remember, Slashdotters panned the iPod [mac.com] when it was introduced. They're doing exactly the same thing here. I really get a kick out of reading some of these braindead posts.

Battery life!
OGG!
What? Only 12 songs?!
It's not a Newton!
Apple is dying!
I won't buy it until it has X feature
AAC sucks, X format r0x0rs yo!


Okay okay, so some people are posting positive comments, but they seem to get lost in the pointless hand waving from the haters. Thanks everybody - In a years time, this phone will be a success and you'll STILL be bitching about not having OGG support on X device.

Re:Who can out cynic the cynics?! (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808471)


>In a years time, this phone will be a success

Or in a years time, people will be saying how it was "ahead of its time" or "discontinued but still better than 99% of comparible product out there".

And so the cycle begins.

Who cares? (2, Insightful)

macosxaddict (559557) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808439)

What exactly are people supposed to use this for? 12 songs is 48 minutes. You're not going to connect it to your car and listen to it on the way to work. You're not going to hold the phone up to your ear for minutes at a time just so you can listen to some nice music (that is the same every time). It's way overkill for fancy ring tones. The speaker sucks, compared to the iPod earphones; it's designed for phone quality, not CD quality. Ever been confused whether you were listening to hold music on the phone or your car stereo? Me neither.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808495)

What exactly are people supposed to use this for? 12 songs is 48 minutes. You're not going to connect it to your car and listen to it on the way to work. You're not going to hold the phone up to your ear for minutes at a time just so you can listen to some nice music (that is the same every time).

Actually it's dozens of songs if you, ahem, RTFA. (The submitter got the facts wrong.) That's a few hours worth. Enough to load up for your drive to work, or your ride on the subway. Or a workout at the gym, assuming you do that kind of thing. Or even a couple-hour plane ride. Sounds like a good idea to me, I have no interest in an iPod but I wouldn't mind a phone that could hold a couple of mixed tapes worth of songs.

The speaker sucks, compared to the iPod earphones; it's designed for phone quality, not CD quality. Ever been confused whether you were listening to hold music on the phone or your car stereo? Me neither.

Uh huh. You do realize it will have a headphone jack?

The "New" Motorola (3, Informative)

stox (131684) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808446)

Two years ago, Chris Galvin was at the healm of Motorola, now it is Ed Zander. To say that the difference is night and day would still be an understatement. Ed Zander actually works for a living. The market knows this, and so does Apple.

What's the deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808449)

So what's the deal with this iTunes thing? Is it good or is it whack?

Please license the Newton OS as well (1)

QnA (747851) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808458)

Motorola should cooperate with Apple, by licensing the Newton OS and use it as the OS of it's cellphones. It is definately a win-win situation. From my exp(I am a programmer on mobile platform), Motorola's OS is one of the most buggy OS while comparing to Nokia and SE. By using Newton OS, it should be able to migrate to a much stable platform. On the other hand, Apple didn't break their promise(no more PDA). And lastly, WE HAVE OUR NEWTON BACK FINALLY!!!!

Wrong Company Bub!!! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9808463)

The PowerPC or semiconductor division of Motorola has been spun-off. It's now Freescale Semiconductor, a freely operating entity. Motorola without the semiconductor division is planning this new cellphone/i-pod.

Fyi. Working at Motorola sucks. Low pay, lower benefits every minute. Culture and morale is near the toilet... Great quarter everyone! Now please read the reduced severance plan as it's going to hurt as I stick it to you!

Screw That! (1)

crawdad62 (308893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808466)

Why don't you guys (Apple and Motorola) get your act together and allow me to sync my Address Book with my Moto V400?

"What's his number again? I dunno but listen to that great Britney mix."

Battery life a problem with a music player/phone? (1)

rogerborn (236155) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808482)

Using a phone to play music, especially if its the great AAC quality of the iPod means that the battery life will be short.

Perhaps they meant to say it will play, not 12 songs, but 12 minutes....

BTW, will the Motorola play the music as well as the iPod? The iPod's stereo circuitry is most excellent, which is why people love it so much (aside from the cool design).

Roger Born
writing.borngraphics.com

Surprising (1)

corian (34925) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808498)

After the way Apple treated Motorola during their time selling StarMax Mac clones, I'm much suprised that anyone at Motorola would even consider collaborating with Apple on a product again.

What will this Motorola look like? (1)

rogerborn (236155) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808514)

Perhaps it will look like the new Motorola V3 just introduced?

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/motorola-v3-razo r- reviewed-018264.php

Very thin and cool. This could be an Apple iPod phone, the way it looks, plus its got a PDA color screen.

Roger Born
writing.borngraphics.com

if only motorola make a phone that meets my needs (5, Funny)

aardwolf204 (630780) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808517)

MP3 player with iTunes support

Browser that supports WAP, HTML, Frames, Flash, Shockwave, Tabbed Browsing, and thumb-guestures

8 MegaPixel camera with 6x optical zoom that takes SLR lenses

Calander and contacts that syncs with microsoft exchange

2.2" display with 65K colors and 480x640 resolution

802.11g and bluetooth (that works) with kismet

12 cell LiIon battery with 14 day standby and 6 hour talk time

media player capable of playing MOV, MPG2,4, AVI (divx and xvid), RM, DVD,

HDTV that syncs with your tivo, direct-tv, XP-MCE, or mythPC (sorry MyHTPC and freevo, not enough room in ROM)

Direct TV connection with 400 channels

Cheap custom ringtones that dont suck (no more paying 99 cents for a 50 cent ringtone)

Vibrate, Pulsate, Ultra-Vibrate, and Orgasmobrate (for her pleasure)

authentic TOS trek sound for when the clam shell flips open

Walkie-Talkie function that be used without speakphone

SDIO card for memory expansion

4G 1MB/s internet connection

RSS feeds on your "desktop"

9 button thats not pre-programmed to 911

full QWERTY thumbboard with touchpad

VNC, TightVNC, and Terminal Services

Vi, Emacs, Notepad, and that thing macs use

Powerpoint support with included VGA dongle for presentations

SMS, MMS, EMS, and PMS

synchronization support for pop3, imap4, and active-sync

drivers for linux (source included)

dual boot mode with windows CE and linux (2.7)

included sample cowboy neal ringtones

j2me, perl, and C# support

graphing calculator

Included USB cable makes phone act as USB flash drive on any PC (w2k+)

GPS with included geocaches

ability to turn reciever into promiscuious mode with ethercap

SSH (1,2) and Telnet clients that work!

1GHz Transmeta processor

Via Eden 600 MHz backup processor

dual blue cold cathodes with case window

Support for CD-R / RW, DVD-R-RW+R+RW-RAM, MMC, SD, CF, PCMCIA, and 5.25" (double density)

Did I miss anything...

Oh yeah, Phone. Maybe next revision, until then you can hook it up to your vonage [vonage.com] box.

Ok, so I was only joking on a few of those things, but seriously some of these features need to be considered. I want an open platform phone that allows me to put RSS feeds on my "desktop" and can SSH and VNC into boxen (sp?)

A matter of size.. (2, Interesting)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 10 years ago | (#9808521)

Anyone notice that the iPod mini is about the same size as a cellphone.. and if it can store 4Gb of music and smaller hard drives available/round the corner, there's no reason why we won't have a phone that can stores gigs of music. (and remember, the phone circuitry +RF is not really *that* space consuming.)
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