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Behind The Coolest Gadgets - Linux or Windows?

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the no-wait-it's-forth dept.

Operating Systems 178

An anonymous reader submits "Sister sites LinuxDevices and WindowsForDevices have kicked off what they're calling the Great Embedded Device Smack-Down, to see whether Linux or Windows Embedded powers the best and coolest devices. The Smackdown highlights more than 350 gadgets in nine categories, along with some entertaining "pre-game commentary" featuring the latest market share figures for the two OSes and a whacky clipart image of Stone Cold Bill Gates taking on The Tux."

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Slash fixed now? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9822966)

was slash slashdotted, or was it a server problem?

I think we need to know.

Re:Slash fixed now? (0, Offtopic)

Truid (800761) | about 10 years ago | (#9823057)

see this post for more info 503 errors on 7/28/2004 [] seems to have been a perl issue but I doubt we will ever know the truth. Security Through Obscurity the slashdot way .

Re:Slash fixed now? (0, Offtopic)

mysterious_mark (577643) | about 10 years ago | (#9823198)

Looks loke slashdot got slashdotted?! Had to drink an entire cup of coffee slashdot free! M

I'm behind (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9822968)

your little sister.

Linux? (0, Offtopic)

frodough (799484) | about 10 years ago | (#9822972)

So, Linux... is it good, or is it whack?

Re:Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823635)

It is good. Definitely good. Especially if you are a child molester.

+1 Informative, you dirty cuntrags

Get whacked, whacker (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823693)

ATTENTION DUMBASS [] , Do NOT use the word "whack". Unless of course you want everyone to know that you are a SIMPLETON [] .

The only appropriate time for you to use the word "whack" is when describing the relationship between your hand and your penis.

MacOS? (0)

Scrameustache (459504) | about 10 years ago | (#9822973)


Re:MacOS? (1)

apachetoolbox (456499) | about 10 years ago | (#9823059)

iPod doesn't run MacOS 9 or 10, I don't think it even runs darwin. Correct me if i'm wrong about darwin.

iPod? (4, Informative)

mblase (200735) | about 10 years ago | (#9823081)

The iPod's OS isn't MacOS. It isn't even made by Apple. They bought the OS and most of the hardware spec from PortalPlayer [] and then customized it to their liking.

Re:iPod? (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | about 10 years ago | (#9823453)

It isn't even made by Apple. They bought the OS and most of the hardware spec from PortalPlayer and then customized it to their liking.

Doesn't that make it theirs then?
If they bought it, and customised it?

Re:MacOS? (1)

MrRuslan (767128) | about 10 years ago | (#9823082)

Ipod's embeded software is not MacOS....

parent is a troll ... mod down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823148)

Like a typical Machead, he doesn't know what he's talking about but can't resist the chance to hurl a gratiuitous boost for Jobs & Company. Ahhh ... the reality distortion field has strange effects.
Ultimately, reality has little impact on the mind of a MacZealot. Just because it says "apple" on the logo, doesn't mean there's MacOS inside. It is most likely that a commercial embedded system like pSOS or VxWorks or a roll-your-own OS runs the iPOD.

Hey, mad moderatiing MacZealots !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823310)

Can't handle the truth?

Re:MacOS? (2, Interesting)

K-Man (4117) | about 10 years ago | (#9823149)

iPod runs an embedded OS, as does the Airport Express (Broadcom chipset, I believe, with Linux, like Linksys routers). Apple seems to have more embedded OS's than regular ones.

Neither? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9822977)

What runs an iPod?

Re:Neither? (5, Informative)

koi88 (640490) | about 10 years ago | (#9823096)

Not mac os, not linux, not windows.
Apple bought the iPod's operating system from Pixo, a small company, that meanwhile has been acquired by Sun (try [] ).
It seems to be a proprietary OS.
Some information: []

I would like to see more devices like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9822986)

I think they are neat and good for the community to toy with. Who knows what inventions could become from this?

thats just wrong (0, Offtopic)

Zorak Man (732141) | about 10 years ago | (#9822992)

I knew gats didn't like linux, but to resort to violance, [] I didn't think he was even that low.

Re:thats just wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823275)

Learn to type.

Re:thats just wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823456)

He could use some spelling lessons as well.

Re:thats just wrong (1)

solive1 (799249) | about 10 years ago | (#9823397)

I don't think gatling guns would have an operating system preference.

Popcorn (4, Funny)

ParticleMan911 (688473) | about 10 years ago | (#9822995)

My Linux popcorn maker maximizes the popped to unpopped kernel ratio. Far superior to my older Windows model.

Alternate view (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823016)

Doesn't the Windows model run hotter, though?

Re:Popcorn (5, Funny)

wackysootroom (243310) | about 10 years ago | (#9823063)

Not Fair!!!

The Linux version of the popcorn maker uses a much better kernel than the windows version.

Re:Popcorn (3, Funny)

VistaBoy (570995) | about 10 years ago | (#9823196)

I thought the Linux popcorn maker put more kernels into a panic.

Re:Popcorn (4, Funny)

tyler_larson (558763) | about 10 years ago | (#9823503)

The Linux version of the popcorn maker uses a much better kernel than the windows version.

The Linux popper does infact use a much more solid kernel than the Windows version. Microsoft tried to harden their kernels by popping modified microkernels instead.

Unfortunately, over time, the unpopped pieces tend to accumulate at the bottom of the Windows popper, substantially slowing the popping process, and periodically requiring the user to completely wipe the machine and start over fresh with a new batch.

The Windows popper also seems to be highly susceptible to contamination by foreign elements, affecting output performance and popcorn quality. Microsoft, in response to this problem, simply stated that "well-behaved butter would not damage the popper". Unfortunately, there's a wide selection of low-grade butter available for the Windows popper; some of it actually targets the weaker aspects of the Microsoft kernels and can cause substantial damage to the popper and anything connected to it.

The Linux popper is much better adapted for mission-critical kitchens, though the Windows popper is extremely popular in the home.

Re:Popcorn (5, Funny)

fbrain (758421) | about 10 years ago | (#9823146)

I thought the Windows kernel popped more ofter?

Did anyone else... (1, Funny)

Throtex (708974) | about 10 years ago | (#9822996)

... just click on the link to see the "whacky clipart image", then hit the back button immediately after? Or was it just me? :)

Re:Did anyone else... (1)

xsecrets (560261) | about 10 years ago | (#9823037)

Sure did, but only 10 posts and already /. effect has kicked in.

At least (4, Insightful)

Hitch (1361) | about 10 years ago | (#9822999)

it seems like this is all in good fun...
it's nice to see good-natured rivalry based on merits rather than name-calling and finger pointing.

Re:At least (5, Insightful)

doofusclam (528746) | about 10 years ago | (#9823223)

Definitely. Some folks round here could do with remembering this, rather than taking any Linux/MS remarks personally.

Re:At least (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823314)

you are obviously a karma grubbing M$ employee.

Love our Cyclades console port servers (3, Interesting)

csoto (220540) | about 10 years ago | (#9823009)

Our old TS models are great, but the new ACS are even better. Darn easy to use, and rock solid.

They run Linux, BTW...

Choosy Robots Choose Linux (5, Funny)

grunt107 (739510) | about 10 years ago | (#9823018)

In a recent study, 100% of all robots that reported chose Linux.

Re:Choosy Robots Choose Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823152)

I think you misspelled "slashbots." Oh wait...

So (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823021)

It's embedded, so long as it runs seamlessly so that it does what it should why on earth is any customer going to give a flying fuck what OS it runs.

Number of Devices (4, Insightful)

Noksagt (69097) | about 10 years ago | (#9823033)

The table of how many devices of which type run which OS seems to only list which OS devices ship with. Linux has been ported to many Windows devices, so you cna flash them to Linux. While windows should work with many of the linux devices, I think it isn't trivial to buy a license to put it on your device that shipped with Linux & to then flash it to run windows.

Nope. (2, Informative)

Blob Pet (86206) | about 10 years ago | (#9823577)

It lists the iPaq under Linux devices.

DRM... (2, Interesting)

Anita Coney (648748) | about 10 years ago | (#9823038)

If it runs Microsoft's software, then it necessarily has some sort of DRM on it. Thus, I'd have to favor Linux.

Re:DRM... (0, Flamebait)

danheskett (178529) | about 10 years ago | (#9823340)

If it runs Microsoft's software, then it necessarily has some sort of DRM on it. Thus, I'd have to favor Linux.
Nope. Not true. A Big Old Lie.

Re:DRM... (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | about 10 years ago | (#9823407)

I may be wrong, but that does not make it a lie.

Also, if you can point me to a music device that runs Microsoft's software that does NOT have ANY DRM on it, please provide a link.

Re:DRM... (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#9823426)

"If it runs Microsoft's software, then it necessarily has some sort of DRM on it."

Care to back that up with some sort of logic? Tell you what, explain what DRM is on my Windows Mobile PDA and mo, the ability to play back DRM files is NOT DRM in and of itself unless you think that Real Player for Linux makes Linux DRM as well.

Re:DRM... (2, Interesting)

Anita Coney (648748) | about 10 years ago | (#9823494)

If it can play back DRM files, then it necessarily has DRM on it. I hate to say it, but DUH!!!

And of course SOME Linux devices will have DRM on them, but not all of them will. Microsoft is in the DRM business, then it will bundle DRM at every opportunity it gets. While the decision to include DRM in a Linux device will be made by the individual OEM.

Thus, with a Microsoft derived product, you will get DRM. With a Linux derived product, you might get DRM. I'll take my chances with might.

Mars Rovers (1, Informative)

kippy (416183) | about 10 years ago | (#9823039)

Linux []

Re:Mars Rovers (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | about 10 years ago | (#9823125)

Guess Linux gets the prize for most "far out" device LOL

Re:Mars Rovers (3, Informative)

bsd4me (759597) | about 10 years ago | (#9823279)

IIRC, Wind River [] had a picture on their homepage of one of the previous Mars projects with a blurb saying that it ran VxWorks []

Scary Future (5, Funny)

robespierremax (800417) | about 10 years ago | (#9823052)

If Microsoft wins the embedded device war, we can look forward to the following things:
1) Self driving cars which when infested w/ the Sassar2030 worm will all drive us off a cliff
2) All your personal information stored in a handheld device for your convience... and the convience of the 200+ Spyware programs that are automatically installed as you checkout at walmart
3) We will finally reach Jupiter only to find out the computer is controlled by a very evil looking red eye "I'm sorry Dave, but you need to download security patches"

Re:Scary Future (0)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about 10 years ago | (#9823250)

You're new here. I just want to tell you that you'll fit right in.

Linux had an advantage... (2, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | about 10 years ago | (#9823054)

... in whatever device that don't have a complex user interaction. The site have more windows devices in PDA, tablets and thin clients where the user could find comfortable using the same interface as in his desktop. But where that interface doesn't matter, Linux should win hands down.

After all, linux don't have price by quantity (i.e. for devices where price matters is a big advantage), could be use with no x86 processors, could be tweaked for supporting better the surrounding hardware and could require a lot less hardware/memory/etc.

Anyway, is weird that in the listing they don't put Linux thin clients and terminals, maybe is because almost anything that boots linux and X could work as one, so the market could not be so attractive.

interface is easy to customize (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823204)

The portablility of X and access to many widget sets should make linux a breeze to port to any display. Linux and Unix can handle complex user interaction pretty well. The problem would be with dealing with proprietary formats. Even the the Open source community seems to have a good grasp of whatever obfuscation Microsoft or Apple throws out to confuse and capture the consumer (e.g. Samba, Open Office, Gnumeric).

Re:Linux had an advantage... (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | about 10 years ago | (#9823777)

After all, linux don't have price by quantity (i.e. for devices where price matters is a big advantage), could be use with no x86 processors, could be tweaked for supporting better the surrounding hardware and could require a lot less hardware/memory/etc.

While I can't get to the product listings on the site at the moment, I assume that they're talking about "Windows Embedded" as the latest version of Windows CE, and not Windows XP Embedded. In that context, not all of your arguments stand up. For example, Microsoft's licensing on CE has been very relaxed. Yes, there's still a licensing fee, but it's not all that expensive anymore.

Also, CE supports several CPUs. The most popular currently seems to be ARM chips, but it also works on x86, MIPS, SH3/4, and I believe even PowerPCs. So, while you could choose to use a x86 processor, you certainly don't have to.

Finally, the code to CE has been opened up, and while I don't know the exact restrictions on redistributing binaries containing code changes to the core system, I do know that in most cases you don't need to do that at all. Windows CE (and XP Embedded) was designed in a very modular way, and you only need to include the pieces that your application needs. For example, if you want a headless, inputless embedded controller that does all I/O via network, you would include the core kernel and the networking stack, but not the input or output modules. I'm sure you can do the same thing with Linux, but since Linux wasn't designed from the ground up for embedded applications (Windows CE was), the solutions may be more "hacky".

On a side note, don't confuse Windows CE with Windows NT. The only similarities between the two are the name "Windows" and support for some subset of Win32 (which CE initially wasn't going to support at all, until the designers got smart and realized that there was no reason they couldn't support a small subset of Win32 and allow skills from the large pool of Win32 developers to carry over to the embedded space). The Windows CE kernel was designed independently of NT, and was intended to enforce real-time constraints from the very start. The OS itself really is quite elegant, and even was back in its early life, though the applications (clamshell and pocket PCs) were poor in comparison to competitors (Palm) at the time.

A couple of things (1, Offtopic)

carrett (671802) | about 10 years ago | (#9823058)

1. The site is a i think this "grapple" will be biased.
2. that said, the truth in my experience is that linux supports damn near anything and if it doesn't, you can almost always find a third-party driver because drivers are easier to write when the kernel is open source.
3. that said, windows is the dominant OS and *a lot* of the mainstream hardware is designed specifically for it. it might be easier to use a device you buy under windows because most "pc hardware" is made to work with windows. it might take time to find the linux driver you need, but eventually you will have it.
4. continuing on what i said above, if windows hasn't written a driver for your device, you may never see a driver for that device. windows will never have drivers for apple mice/keyboards...they will continue to make their os support only what it needs to to stay on top. this is the difference between corporate and volunteer approaches.

i'm sure i've only scratched the surface of things that have been said 10000000000000000 times on /. before, but i'd better shut up.

Re:A couple of things (1)

Coopa (773302) | about 10 years ago | (#9823144)

". The site is a i think this "grapple" will be biased." Did you rtfm? If I've read it correctly, there's 2 sites running it. A Windows and Linux one.

hardware support issue ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823286)

Hardware support for commodity PCs and specialized embedded systems means two different things. In an embedded system, you often don't have be compatible with unknown other devices. The embedded driver doesn't necessarily need to be shoved into a particular API. Code written for one implementation can easily be ported to another embedded implementation. The problem is getting a hardware manufacturer to release his source implementation for two reasons : 1) competitors could create a plug-in replaceable hardware component for the driver and 2) Microsoft doesn't like it when their minons aid and assist the Linux enemy. My keeping the driver closed they keep Bill Gates happy.

Re:A couple of things (2, Informative)

dmullenaux (746523) | about 10 years ago | (#9823414)

windows will never have drivers for apple mice/keyboards

Have you tried it? I have for months now been using a USB mac keyboard and mouse in our office server room. Windows 2000 works with it as well as windows 2003. Haven't tried it on NT 4 though.

Re:A couple of things (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823527)

Sorry NT 4 doesn't do USB so new Apple keyboards will be no go. Old ones are ADB bus and unless you have some sort of converter they aren't going to work either.

Re:A couple of things (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823578)

> but i'd better shut up.

My father used to say: "Better to remain silent and have people wonder if you're stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." In your case, all doubt was removed 4 points ago.......

How could they miss the HomePod? (3, Interesting)

YetAnotherName (168064) | about 10 years ago | (#9823067)

MacSense [] makes the "iPod for the home", in the form of their HomePod. It doesn't run MacOS; it runs Linux and Java (J9).

More info at GlooLabs [] .

Palm? (2, Interesting)

ucblockhead (63650) | about 10 years ago | (#9823080)

I find it interesting that PalmOS is not even mentioned in the "PDA" category. Is it truly dead?

Re:Palm? (2, Interesting)

solive1 (799249) | about 10 years ago | (#9823163)

Well, I do believe this is a Linux gadget vs. Windows gadget article. PalmOS doesn't fit into either of those two categories, therefore its exclusion. (I tried checking the article again to make sure it didn't say something to the contrary, but it seems that it has already been /.ed.)

Linux or Windows on the best devices? (3, Informative)

airjrdn (681898) | about 10 years ago | (#9823085)

Tivo runs Linux....nuff said.

neither appear good for websites (2, Interesting)

craqboy (588418) | about 10 years ago | (#9823100)

if the sites are hosted on the corrosponding OS then they are both showing a lot of hurt right now.

fucking slashdotters :)

Re:neither appear good for websites (1)

XMyth (266414) | about 10 years ago | (#9823221)

actually linuxdevices is down...windowsfordevices is the moment.

Re:neither appear good for websites (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | about 10 years ago | (#9823556)

Well, obvious. This is slashdot, who is interested in stuff running Windows anyway? :-P

its a sad sad day for some (0, Flamebait)

craqboy (588418) | about 10 years ago | (#9823127)

the windowsfordevices site loaded for me while the linux timed out.......gentoo using newbs might flock and go back to using windows. then again that might not be too bad

Re:its a sad sad day for some (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823295)

Thats because nobody clicked on the windows site

Digi-Juke? No, I'm Fine (1)

grunt107 (739510) | about 10 years ago | (#9823132)

I want the the Ponto digital juke box (or the exclusive placement rights):

"Digipop can store up to 20,000 tunes (compressed in Ogg Vorbis or MP3) and soon will deliver video-clips, according to Ponto-i owner Andre Dias. Sound and video ports enable venues to connect Digipop to existing sound and TV systems.

The jukebox includes a wired, remote serial pinpad that can control the machine remotely. For example, a bartender could use the pin pad to add credits to user accounts, which are identified by cards with barcode stickers. Ponto-i sells barcode cards for 50 cents each, printed with the venue's logo."

Fair and impartial (2, Interesting)

crapnutassneck (243159) | about 10 years ago | (#9823140)

I am sure that will be really fair and impartial in a debate over Linux devices. How much credibility would we all be giving it if it came from Microsoft?

Re:Fair and impartial (1)

koi88 (640490) | about 10 years ago | (#9823222)

Read the first line of the slashdot article:
"Sister sites LinuxDevices and WindowsForDevices..."

Re:Fair and impartial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823485)

Come now. The majority here cannot be bothered to R(let-alone-comprehend)TFA, and you expect someone to RTFH(eadline)?

One of the coolest gadgets: Tomtom GO (4, Informative)

MrBoombasticfantasti (593721) | about 10 years ago | (#9823178)

I recently got a Tomtom GO [] navigation system and it is absolutely awesome. Link may be a bit flash heavy.

It runs Linux and it's miles better (pun intended) than the Windows CE counterpart Tomtom Navigator 3 [] which has occasional glitches.

If only it could run *BSD... ;-)

Re:One of the coolest gadgets: Tomtom GO (1)

stienman (51024) | about 10 years ago | (#9823452)

Link may be a bit flash heavy.

Link may be a bit flash heavy? That's like saying high fructose corn syrup may be a bit sweet!

4MB too big.


Re:Still #2 And A Very Cool System (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823571)

If only it could run *BSD... ;-)

... then it would be dying!!! (badoom boom)

Thank you, thank you, I'll be performing here all week!

My fav (3, Funny)

doombob (717921) | about 10 years ago | (#9823186)

My favorite embedded device has always been the Windows CE gas station pumps [] . Because something like pumping gas, ordering Big Macs, and asking for directions all at the same time was just too vital a service for people not to utilize.

I vote for the web and google (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | about 10 years ago | (#9823195)

As the coolest 'gadgets.'

Sharp Zaurus? (4, Interesting)

Spyro VII (666885) | about 10 years ago | (#9823197)

Well, I haven't read the article yet (and by the looks of things I won't be doing it either), but offhand the only thing that I have to say is that I've never seen a Pocket PC that can stack up to the Zaurus line of handhelds made by Sharp, on either the coolness factor or the gadget factor.

It will be interesting seeing how they weighed the Pocket PC PDAs against the Linux ones, and how the fact that a number of iPaqs can be ran with either PPC or some kind of Linux.

Re:Sharp Zaurus? (5, Interesting)

TrevorDoom (228025) | about 10 years ago | (#9823473)

As I've owned a Zaurus 5500 [] , Tungsten T3 [] , and currently own a HP iPAQ 4155 [] , I definately have to give the "coolness," "gadget," and "power" to the iPAQ hands down.

User replaceable battery (one of the issues with the Tungsten), 400 MHz XScale processor (whole lot more powerful than the 5500), integrated Bluetooth (more than the Zaurus has) and WiFi (more than the T3 has) and with a couple of third-party apps to "fix" the annoying things about the Pocket PC operating system I'm most definately in love with this iPAQ...

I'm sorry, the handwriting recognition on the Zaurus sucks (Decuma OnSpot for PocketPC, OTOH is able to decypher my hardly intelligable chicken-scratch) and my fingers are fat enough that trying to use the thumb keyboard is annoying at best. WiFi, while not essential in a PDA, is damn nice (access to the fileshares on the Windows network at work while doing things where a laptop isn't readily accessable but I'm in WiFi range is schweet) and gives me the ability to use Pocket Putty to ssh into my fileserver at home while sitting on the couch.

The Zaurus has a cool "geek" factor, but really, I got tired of the shitty quality of the PIM apps and fighting with the device to try and get it to sync got old after about 3 weeks.

Garmin GPS (2, Interesting)

Mateito (746185) | about 10 years ago | (#9823216)

I so seriously want one of these [] that I had to let my fiancee by both a new pair of shoes and a new watch.

No idea what OS it runs, tho, but I'd be interested if anybody knows.

Re:Garmin GPS (1)

doombob (717921) | about 10 years ago | (#9823557)

Usually, their OS's are proprietary. They hire a bunch of Compuer Science majors every year to program this stuff. They were working on a PDA integrated with GPS last year that ran on WinCE, but I don't know if that ever got to market. I think they were considering switching to the PalmOS.

Re:Garmin GPS (2, Insightful)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#9823723)

I had to let my fiancee by both a new pair of shoes and a new watch

She doesn't need a new watch, there's a clock on the stove! {rimshot}

Cable TV (1)

fbrain (758421) | about 10 years ago | (#9823237)

I believe most cable TV boxes in the UK are running a version of linux.

TV + Linux = Simpsons, Futurama and many other programs I don't get time to watch.

Mac OS X and Palm? (1)

mysterious_mark (577643) | about 10 years ago | (#9823244)

Seems like a bit of a waste since the two very best OS's are excluded. But we alternate OS'ers are a smug lot and will refrain from comment, (only grunts of contempt). M

Re:Mac OS X and Palm? (2, Interesting)

solive1 (799249) | about 10 years ago | (#9823520)

Well, I can't comment on what other devices use MacOS, but, as far as I know PalmOS is just on PDAs and isn't really a desktop OS ported to other devices. Also, iPod (as I've been reading) doesn't even use an OS designed by Apple. Maybe that's why they were excluded.

Bad Joke (2, Funny)

prichardson (603676) | about 10 years ago | (#9823245)

Since the two quick reference guides aren't loading, I think it's time for Slashdotting jokes to commence. I'll start.

Too bad their webserver was running on one of those linux phones!

aie aie aie (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#9823345)

Looks like Slashdot put the smack down on

Any mirrors?

Hmmm. Which will be slashdotted first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823352)

linuxdevices or slashdot?

Well, looking at those numbers again.... (3, Interesting)

carlmenezes (204187) | about 10 years ago | (#9823354)

Looking at the direction mobile phones are moving, I think it's a pretty good possibility that the the PDA, handhelds and Audio/Video Devices of the future will essentially be mobiles phones with these features.

Adding up the counts in those categories we have :

Linux : 38+17+36 = 91
Windows: 74+24+8 = 106

If you add in the "other" category, you have :

Linux : 91+38=134

Either way, it's really close, except for one thing - the future trend and the contributions made back to the OSS community as a result of the devices that use Linux.

The thing is, as more of these devices are released, more code and/or documentation and bugfixes will be released by companies back to the OSS community because they will be using many OSS tools in the development of these products, improving them if necessary in the process and finally releasing some of the improvements to the OSS community.

This will make it easier for more companies to re-use OSS tools and software and we have a potential cascade effect that could create a very wide development base for embedded Linux devices.

On the windows side, the situation is not the same - companies usually don't release their any portion of their code into a "public pool" for use by the community.

This essentially means, that while the numbers are an even split now, it looks like the Linux numbers will grow faster than the Windows numbers.

Now, also remember that with the devices comes whatever the devices are connected to - namely PCs, Macs and the like. Therefore, at the very minimum, this could lead to a much better awareness of the Linux OS. What follows awareness is usually curiosity - and since Linux is a quality product, curiosity can only be a good thing.

Therefore, I'd just say that although the numbers are an even split now, they actually represent the success of Linux in the embedded devices market and given time, this will seep into the desktop and that will be a good thing. Competition always is.

Linux 1 - MS - 0 (2, Funny)

Heem (448667) | about 10 years ago | (#9823365)

Well, considering at this time that the windows site is completely slashdotted, while the linux site is up, just a little slow from the slashdotting........

Re:Linux 1 - MS - 0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823599)

Even better, both run on Linux/Apache servers, so it's Linux 1 - Linux 0.

Linux powers the TiVo (2, Interesting)

Wateshay (122749) | about 10 years ago | (#9823512)

Game over. Next contest...

Be there! SUNDAY! (5, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | about 10 years ago | (#9823586)

We've rounded up 150 of the COOLEST Linux devices from all over the far east! (And...uh..the 1 or 2 available in the U.S.)

Blackberry (1)

neilb78 (557698) | about 10 years ago | (#9823641)

It think my Blueberry (Blackberry 7510 [] ) smacks 'em all down.


Yummy. It may be some fork of Linux, but I'm not sure.

the future reveals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9823643)

whatever the status are now, the open modular architecture of time will tell you what the clock [] is..


Neither, I would hope (1)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | about 10 years ago | (#9823679)

For embedded systems, you want simplicity, reliability, and understandability. Neither Linux nor Windows give you these. Sure, Linux is more reliable in certain ways, but we're still talking about a hulking system that's not needed in 99% of embedded devices. And, yes, Linux is "understandable" in that you can get the source code for the hundreds out thousands of lines of code in the kernel, but that makes very little difference. In the typical embedded device, you need an "OS" that's about 4K in size, if that.

Weird... (1)

temojen (678985) | about 10 years ago | (#9823700)

19 windows Thin Clients and No Linux models? Very odd!

Wait.. VIA-EPIA series boards... never mind... they're just only counting the pre-installed ones.

Botched link in table (1)

Flower (31351) | about 10 years ago | (#9823729)

The Linux Gateways, servers, AP link is the same link for Tablets and Webpads. This [] should be the proper link.
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