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Sweeeeeet. (5, Interesting)

zedmelon (583487) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834336)

From the hardware guide:
"What we noticed immediately is that DOOM 3 looks incredible even at 640x480! "
and
"Looking at the image, it's surprising just how good Low Quality looks."

My hopes weren't very high, but I'm relieved to see this. Now I know my TNT2 card will do just fine.

But seriously, their test on a minimal system yielded encouraging results:
"Our system was composed of a 1.5GHz Pentium 4, 512MB of Corsair RAM, and a GeForce 4 MX 440 video card"

fp?

Ha! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834381)

> Now I know my TNT2 card will do just fine.

BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!

Re:Sweeeeeet. (-1, Redundant)

untermensch (227534) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834397)

Now I know my TNT2 card will do just fine.
I doubt it. The TNT2 is considerably lower than the lowest card they review.

Re:Sweeeeeet. (3, Funny)

zedmelon (583487) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834508)

Informative.

Don't we have a mod for "+1, Efficiently Sidesteps Sarcasm?"

No WAY, man! My TNT card has never let me down yet! Wagons Ho! still looks as great as it did in '95!

Re:Sweeeeeet. (2, Interesting)

untermensch (227534) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834595)

Don't we have a mod for "+1, Efficiently Sidesteps Sarcasm?"

sorry, but the things some people think...

Re:Sweeeeeet. (1)

anon*127.0.0.1 (637224) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834776)

You hid the "But seriously" too well.

It shoulda been capped.
And bolded.
And italicized.
And in 32 point font.
A different color wouldn't hurt, either.

Re:Sweeeeeet. (2, Insightful)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834576)

Actually you'll find that a TNT2 has very good throughput, the lack of T&L will hurt in DOom3 tho.

Re:Sweeeeeet. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834480)

Your TNT2 is no match for my Tseng Labs ET4000! Or my Western Digital 90C31! SUCK IT DOWN!!!!11!!!

Re:Sweeeeeet. (2, Interesting)

foidulus (743482) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834559)

I'm wondering how it will end up looking on LCDs whose native resolution is higher than the resolution that Doom suggests. If you don't run an LCD at it's native resolution, it tends to look very block and blurry, which could make the image even worse....
Looks like I'll have to buy a 6800 if I want to play this game

Re:Sweeeeeet. (2, Interesting)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834902)

I routinely play Starcraft and Unreal Tournament 2004 on my Powerbook G4 at non-native resolutions and they look fine to me.

Re:Sweeeeeet. (1, Troll)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834571)

So, those upside down metallica video reject flying skulls look "good" in low quality mode? Because they look like crap in every screen shot I've ever seen.

Doom3. Nice engine. Some day I hope to see a game made that uses it.

Re:Sweeeeeet. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834716)

I assume you were one of the beta testers based on your comments. What exactly were the problems with the gameplay?

Re:Sweeeeeet. (1)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834686)

in all seriousness, i'm hoping my Radeon 7000 (64MB) card will do the job, i can't afford an upgrade and all my other specs are more than enough for Doom 3(after the Athlon 3200, 512MB/Ram, and everything else my budget was gone)

i've done more with less so i'm pretty sure it will

Re:Sweeeeeet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834873)

Sorry to rain in your parade, but here's the list
of supported GPU's as stated by Id software's min required hardware list:

(from TFA) Supported 3D Graphics chipsets:
ATI: Radeon 8500, 9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800
NVIDIA: GeForce 3, GeForce 4MX, GeForce 4 Titanium, GeForce FX, GeForce 6

neat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834338)

frost pict

Systems (5, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834341)

FTA: "There are no major differences in image quality between NVIDIA and ATI video cards when playing DOOM 3 at the same settings."

From this shot [hardocp.com], I would have to say, ATI looks nicer for quality of lighting. The blending seems more natural.

FTA: "There is no doubt that DOOM 3's minimum system specifications can easily deliver a good gaming experience."

If you don't mind frames dropping to this and their ultimate Doom 3 system [hardocp.com].

FTA:"Without a doubt, our AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 system sporting the ABIT AV8 motherboard with 2GB of Corsair XMS RAM was the pinnacle of DOOM 3 performance in terms of image quality and speed when outfitted with the BFGTech GeForce 6800 Ultra OC."

And that is a nice system by any standards. I think I am very interested by the Alienware Doom system [alienware.com]. The Aurora ALX looks sweet [alienware.com].

Xian has some cool quotes for the guys at Hard|OCP here [hardocp.com]. Most notably:

"I am proud to say that DOOM 3 is quite possibly the most aurally detailed and complex game ever made, on any platform."

Drooooool.........

Minimum Required System (3, Informative)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834921)

Strange that this hasn't been posted already ... well, here it is:

DX 9.0 compatible 3D card w/ 64MB RAM*
MS Windows 2000/XP
Pentium 4 1.5 GHz or Athlon XP 1500+
384 MB RAM
8x CD-ROM
2.2 GB of HD space
Broadband (for multiplayer)

*Supported 3D Graphics chipsets:
ATI: Radeon 8500, 9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800
NVIDIA: GeForce 3, GeForce 4MX, GeForce 4 Titanium, GeForce FX, GeForce 6

New Hardware (4, Insightful)

Klar (522420) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834363)

With Doom3 and HL2 comming out very soon, I am interested to see how this will affect sales in new CPU's and video cards. Will there be a great boost in sales so people can play these games? I for one have just bought a new computer to allow me to play these--although it is a laptop, and I need to get a faster HD for it.. heh

Re:New Hardware (1)

kewsh (655090) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834570)

not as much as the sell of xbox2 and ps3. i upgraded in anticipation for doom3 but that was 6 months ago :)

Re:New Hardware (1)

Donoho (788900) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834661)

I am interested to see how this will affect sales in new CPU's and video cards.

I expect PriceWatch [pricewatch.com] to feel the burn if it hasn't already. I used it as a starting point to build my last couple systems.

Aside from tweaking options, is custom built still cheaper/better than off the line [alienware.com]?

Re:New Hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834770)

I can save most of you a trip to Price Watch. Last machine I built I bought almost everything from Newegg.com. They came as lowest or close to lowest on most of the stuff on pricewatch and combining them obviously saved on the hassle of dealing with half a dozen different vendors. They screwed up on one item (sent me a fan instead of my cd burner - easy to confuse the two) but rushed out a replacement (and I got a free fan out of the deal).

Re:New Hardware (2, Informative)

stonedonkey (416096) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834676)

With Doom3 and HL2 comming out very soon, I am interested to see how this will affect sales in new CPU's and video cards. Will there be a great boost in sales so people can play these games? I for one have just bought a new computer to allow me to play these--although it is a laptop, and I need to get a faster HD for it.. heh

It's been horrendous with video cards, especially the 6800GT OC, which is regarded as Doom 3's "sweet spot" for price-performance ratio. I lucked out, apparently, buying that card right after reading [H]'s review of it. I got one of the last few in stock at chumbo.com (a place I'd never heard of, despite my extensive online hardware shopping).

Now, I got the card for $399.99 and free shipping. Good luck finding it anywhere now, at any price. Even those who ran out of stock have pegged the card at at least $420, with $459 being the new baseline. Sales tax and/or shipping can and will push the total up to $500. I saw one place selling the BFG OC for $525. Best Buy, Chumbo and EVGA appear to be the only places on the Internet that still have the GT variant at $400. The 6800 Ultra is only slightly less impossible to get and is that much more expensive, with the Radeon X800 Pro trailing closely behind that.

It's ugly.

Re:New Hardware (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834697)

These benchmarks help alot, I bet I'll play HL2 more than doom3 due to CS Source. So after I see benchmarks on ATI vs Nvidia on HL2, I can use the combined scores from both game to pick the best all around GFX card. Nvidia might own in Doom3, but Nvidia always seems to be better on ID games only. ATI seems to be better on Unreal and HL.

Hurry up and weight. Myself I want to wait for a dual PCI Express board before I upgrade, and I dont see any out yet. So no hurry to upgrade *YET*.

OSX version Needed (3, Interesting)

artlu (265391) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834369)

Then, i can use my Dual 2.0 G5 with Apple's gorgeous new displays. Yes, i know LCD is bad for gaming, but the new apple monitors are just crazy. At least my "Stock Game" [groupshares.com] looks good on the monitors.

Actually, does anyone know if ID is planning an OSX release like they did with Quake 3?

Re:OSX version Needed (1)

untermensch (227534) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834425)

Actually, does anyone know if ID is planning an OSX release like they did with Quake 3?
Yes, but not for a while yet. They said the linux release would be "soon", but OSX was still a ways down the road.

Re:OSX version Needed (5, Informative)

Nosf3ratu (702029) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834440)

Yes, they are.
Todd Hollenshead, acting CEO of id said in an email shortly after the announcement of the release date, of OSX and Linux:

"Mac and Linux: Unfortunately I don't have dates for either of these. However, Linux binaries will be
available very soon after the PC game hits store shelves. There are no plans for boxed Linux games.
More remains to be done for the OSX version of DOOM 3 and that will take some time. We won't release
the OSX version until it's just as polished as the PC version. The date for OSX DOOM 3 remains "when it's
done", but I can confirm that it's definitely coming. "

Re:OSX version Needed (1)

Doogie5526 (737968) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834543)

That sorta sucks... I got the linux version of Quake 3 for like $15 not too long after the game was released. (and i can just use the window's binaries to play on there).

I guess that's sorta the reason though.

Re:OSX version Needed (2, Informative)

Nosf3ratu (702029) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834612)

I haven't seen any official announcements from id, but from Todd's email, I take it as that there will be one version of Doom 3 to buy (much like UT2K4) and the Linux binaries will be probably be available as free downloads on the internet, much as they did for RtCW and Quake3. The boxed versions of Quake3 were not id products; they were Loki products, iirc.

And on the software front... (4, Interesting)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834372)

Interestingly, Windows 98 won't be supported [eurogamer.net].

I'll be in the weird situation of having a game that will run on my PC in Linux, but not on my games-only Windows installation.

Makes a change! :-)

Re:And on the software front... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834456)

Why oh why would you bother with Windows 98?

Re:And on the software front... (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834464)

Isn't that a sign that it might be time to move away from '98 then?

Re:And on the software front... (3, Funny)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834585)

Isn't that a sign that it might be time to move away from '98 then?

Quite probably. I'll be building a new PC pretty soon, and it'll probably have something 'hip' and 'modern' like Windows 2000 for games...

Stuff like the Halo Editing Kit [cortana.org] and the version of Softimage XSI for Half-Life 2 [softimage.com] needs an NT-based operating system anyway, so I really should upgrade. :-)

Anyone know where I can get Win2000 cheaply in the UK? Suprnova need not apply...

Re:And on the software front... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834884)

Try Computer Exchange (CEX) on Tottenham Court Road in London. They always have old copies of Windowses lying around, or they did when I lived in Britain.

Re:And on the software front... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834479)

you game with windows 98? heh you are a stupid nigger.

nt for ever

Re:And on the software front... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834593)

Thief 3 wasn't supported on Win9x/ME either. Turns out it the biggest problem was the inclusion of the executable icon using an ordinal OOB on Win9x!

Re:And on the software front... (5, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834766)

> Interestingly, Windows 98 won't be supported.

"Won't be supported" or "Won't work"?

Those aren't necessarily the same things. My 9800XT "isn't supported" on my 98SE gaming rig either - but it works just fine.

(Why do I game on 9x? Because it's the same 9x license that came with the box six years ago. Because 9x doesn't run services that listen to ports. Because I can boot with a floppy and reimage -- even though, unlike my friends' 2K/XP boxen, I've never had to, because the box has never been 0wn3d. :)

/me glances at the log of RPC/DCOM worm attacks, every few seconds all bouncing against unopenable ports, from even goddamn dialup IP addresses, and laughs.

Yes, 98SE is a DOS shell. Yes, 98SE isn't a real OS. Yes, 98SE is a toy. Yes 98SE has no security model. And yes, for a single-user gaming rig, that's why it's better than a real OS.

In the meantime, 98SE doesn't require me to "activate" it after I swap hard drives or motherboards. 98SE doesn't phone home. 98SE doesn't run services I don't need. And when it crashes, it crashes hard enough that nothing's writing to the hard drive when I press the hard-reset button. 98SE boxen (as long as you're not using M$'s crapware browser and mail client) can be plugged onto the evil Intarweb - straight out of the box - without even a firewall, and not get 0wn3d.

(This rant expired by the equivalent crashes on the same game played on a friend's XP rig - I observed that when a game in XP goes down hard, the OS keeps running. That's not a feature, that's a bug! No mouse, no GUI, just a frozen 3D rendering of the game, but the hard drive light just flickers happily as the remaining components of the OS busily "manage" the swap file. You sorta wait for the light to flicker out, and hope that you press the hard-reset button before it comes back up. WTF kind of crap is that?)

2K/XP are for Microsoft boxen that do real work. For a gaming rig, they're overkill. Gimme a stripped-down DOS box any day.

Now that the rant's out of the way -- who cares if DOOM3 is "supported" on 98SE. I'm sure we'll find out within 72 hours whether or not it "works anyways".

Re:And on the software front... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834904)

If you're running Win98SE without a firewall, I will bet you a brand new GeForce 6800 Ultra that http://housecall.trendmicro.com will identify at least one virus or worm you're already infected with.

Your estimation of the invulnerability of Win98 is laughable. Only a few worms exploited services such as DCOM. The rest came in through ICMP and other vectors that Win98 was very vulnerable to.

Go ahead. Run HouseCall. I'll wait.

There are plenty of reasons to stay away from XP, including product activation, but there are no reasons why anyone with hardware capable of running Doom 3 shouldn't at least be using Windows 2000.

Re:And on the software front... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834788)

"not supported" as in "won't run" or as in "we haven't tested it and we're not gonna help you if you have problems with that"?

Hardly Usefull (-1, Troll)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834444)

While I nice attempt at a buying guide I saw nothing regarding any sort of section on overclocking/tweaking a Pentium II/VooDoo Doom2 machine to play Doom3.

Obviously this is just a marketing guide by the ultra-evil conspiracy between iD/nVidia/Dell to get you to buy a new rig just for a measely version upgrade.

*feh*

Re:Hardly Usefull (1)

Nosf3ratu (702029) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834568)

What?

A Pentium II/Voodoo machine can't hardly run Quake3, which is a game that came out in 1998 (or was it late 97?). I think your troll is rather cute, but be honest, for id to make Doom 3 playable on a box such as an AMD 1800+ and a GeForce4 MX440, that's the complete opposite of a "marketing guide by the ultra-evil conspiracy between iD/nVidia/Dell".

On the topic of said troll, what the hell does Dell have to do with anything?

Re:Hardly Usefull (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834646)

"On the topic of said troll"

Geee some people have no sense of humor.
Try getting out more, some fresh air and a stiff drink would definitely do you some good.

For the humor impaired or with hyperactive anal cavities:
IT WAS A JOKE,buying a new machine for a version upgrade from Doom2 to Doom3 yadda yadda yadda.

I know I know... it was waaaaaaaaayyyyy to subtle a joke.

*feh*

My Question is... (1)

zip159 (798576) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834446)

With the prospect of so many new people being brought into gaming by DOOM 3, there will likely be a lot of questions regarding the computer hardware needed to support it. ...are you sure my 500MHz Pentium II box won't be able to support Doom III?

Heh heh (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834453)

These things always make me laugh. HardOCP, TomsHardware, all the "hardcore modder" sites.

No doubt this article will convince a bunch of clueless wannabe's that they MUST piss away $1000 in hardware over the next week else they won't be playing Doom 3.

Which, of course, drives "obsolete" stuff, like the (now over 6 months old!) Radeon 9800 XT into the bargain bin for me!

Between these moron sites, and morons at Best Buy and CompUSA, it's a great time to be a tech bargain hunter.

Not too long ago, I overheard an employee at CompUSA telling some customer "Oh, you have DDR333? You really should get a new motherboard that supports dual-channel DDR 400, it'll make a huge difference in your frame rates".

I lurked about as the customer picked out a new mobo and two new sticks of Kingston HyperX RAM - and of course payed 3 times what the stuff would cost on newegg. He hung around as the "upgrade specialists" installed it for him. Before he left I offered him 100 bucks for his old motherboard (an Asus P4PE), 2.4ghz CPU (just a Celeron, but they frankly perform MUCH better than morons give them credit for) and "obsolete" gigabyte of DDR333, and went home with a bag full of "obsolete" goodies.

Woohoooo! God bless people who refuse to accept their own ignorance. The system works!

Never forget, don't believe your eyes. It may look really smooth and good on your screen, you may think you're having fun, but if those benchmarks say it's old, then damn you it's time to spend money!

Benchmarks are everything!

Re:Heh heh (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834511)

wow, you are incredibley CHEAP

fucking poor morons who cant afford the latest hardware

yourj ust like that win98fag earlier

Re:Heh heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834534)

Never forget.... to read the article.

Maybe you would have seen that they said it ran suprisingly well on a gf4mx... and looked suprisingly good in 640x480

Re:Heh heh (4, Insightful)

untermensch (227534) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834548)

While I mostly agree with your statements about sites like HardOCP in general, did you RTFA? They keep stressing over and over again that Doom3 plays fine on remarkably low-end systems, and that there is no real need to upgrade from the several-years-old systems that many of us have.

Re:Heh heh (4, Insightful)

fireduck (197000) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834598)

No doubt this article will convince a bunch of clueless wannabe's that they MUST piss away $1000 in hardware over the next week else they won't be playing Doom 3.

Actually, they post framerates for the recommended low end system that seem perfectly respectable (i.e., hovering around the 20-30 range) for an ancient system. I'm running a athlon 2100+ with a GeForce4 TI card and I'm not about to upgrade cause of this game.

(now when HL2 comes out and I've got 2 pieces of eyecandy that are droolworthy, I might think about some sort of upgrade...)

Re:Heh heh (4, Informative)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834630)

From the article:
There is no doubt that DOOM 3s minimum system specifications can easily deliver a good gaming experience. We found it simply incredible that a system this old could run DOOM 3 at all, much less run it well. It may be hard to believe, but we can honestly recommend spending $50 on DOOM 3 if you have a system comparable to this. You can still have a very worthy DOOM 3 experience with it.


I know some of you are thinking that it would be tough to call gaming at 640x480 a good gaming experience, but the environments in DOOM 3 are very forgiving in terms of resolution as discussed in our IQ section. Do we suggest you use a higher resolution to place yourself in an even more immersive environment? Without a doubt, but it is hardly a requirement to really feel a part of the DOOM 3 story.
And in the conlusion:
All that aside, I'm still astonished by our experience on the min spec system. While we think you'll likely have the best experience at the resolution and quality levels we suggested, dont think for a second that those are the actual requirements for playing DOOM 3. If I had a 1.5GHz Pentium and GeForce 4MX system that was two years old, I would still purchase this game knowing I was in for an incredible experience.
So yeah, I think this article is fairly balanced. They don't pretend you need the absolute latest and greatest to play the game. I don't think it's very insightful, really - their conclusion seems to be "well it runs best on really fast systems, but we guess you can also run it on older systems in 800x600" which isn't exactly a surprising outcome. OTOH I guess they do test Doom 3 on a large range of systems which will give you a fairly good idea at what res and quality settings your own systems will be able to run it, so the article does have its uses.

Re:Heh heh (1)

nkntr (583297) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834670)

If it wasn't for the guys buying the new hardware and driving the benchmark ever forward, you would still be paying top dollar for old equipment. God bless the bench markers is what I say, and keep them stuffed as full of stats and framerates and clockspeeds as possible so I can keep getting cheap new hardware for my machines.

Re:Heh heh (1)

anon*127.0.0.1 (637224) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834737)

I'm glad to see someone agrees with me.

There is a direct, demonstrable link between video quality, frame rate, and the amount of fun you're having playing a game. If you don't have video quality and frame rate pushed to the max, you're simply cheating yourself. And since you "can't put a price on a good time", it only makes sense to spend whatever it takes to have the latest and absolute greatest hardware. I, for one, am thankful that all these hardware sites are helping us pick out the best new hardware, rather then spreading the ridiculous rumor that peoples current system will likely be good enough.

Re:Heh heh (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834871)

I lurked about as the customer picked out a new mobo and two new sticks of Kingston HyperX RAM - and of course payed 3 times what the stuff would cost on newegg. He hung around as the "upgrade specialists" installed it for him. Before he left I offered him 100 bucks for his old motherboard (an Asus P4PE), 2.4ghz CPU (just a Celeron, but they frankly perform MUCH better than morons give them credit for) and "obsolete" gigabyte of DDR333, and went home with a bag full of "obsolete" goodies.

Great story. Reminds me of my days behind the tech bench at Best Buy. We used to buy old parts and even computers (that weren't really that old) at great prices like you did. Management really didn't like it and fired a few people over it, apparently some customers thought they were 'trading in' to the store.

SMP (3, Interesting)

iamthemoog (410374) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834461)

Nice article, though where's the multi-processor graphs? "Ultimate DOOM3 Systems" still only shows single CPU systems.

Any clues anyone? It seems the game is pretty much video card limited, but a 2nd CPU might flatten out the frame rates to a more even level instead of bouncing up and down from 17 to 60 FPS ...

Re:SMP (5, Informative)

micr0c0sm (801346) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834587)

It's confirmed that there is no SMP support. Most games do not have it. Check the [H]ardForums for more info.

Huh??? (4, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834473)

"With the prospect of so many new people being brought into gaming by DOOM 3..."

Does anyone really see Doom 3 as some kind of crossover phenomenon that will make people start gaming and suddenly go buy top-notch computers to support their new addiction? I highly doubt it. This sounds like a huge event for the computer gaming crowd, but not much beyond that.

Sorry to poo-poo the hyperbole, but come on...

Re:Huh??? (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834579)

Thank you. That was my first thought on reading this. While Doom 3 will certainly spur some graphics card, memory and processor/motherboard sales, I don't think that the average Sims player is going to go all creamy over it. Now, Sims 2 might be a different story...

Re:Huh??? (1)

cephyn (461066) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834601)

I have to agree with ya. Im still skeptical that doom3 will be any good, gameplay wise. sure it looks great, but...

Re:Huh??? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834639)

It may be what's needed to get console junkies to spend some time gaming on the PC again, though.

A lot of people abandoned PC gaming about the time PS2 came out, or even Dreamcast. Suddenly the console had the same, even better, visual quality, didn't require you to spend 500 bucks on hardware every 6 months, and had a wider range of genre's and titles.

I'll pick up Doom 3, and regret spending the 60 bucks a week later, just like I did with Quake 3, RTCW, Unreal 2, and every other "revolutionary" PC title.

In the end, it's really just another FPS that bumps the eyecandy level up a notch.

Re:Huh??? (0, Flamebait)

black mariah (654971) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834813)

So what you're saying is that even though you're sure you'll hate it after a week, you're fucking stupid enough to buy it anyway? That does wonders for your credibility, you know?

Re:Huh??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834937)

Unfortunately I have to agree. If you go into any EBX you'll notice that 90% of the store is xbox and playstation games with the last 10% in the corner devoted to PC games.

Autospooge (2, Insightful)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834489)

Is it too much to ask that we have some confirmation that Doom3 is actually a good game before /. spams us with 15 stories a day on it?

There's tons of games coming out all the time, many are better than the mediocre junk id foists on us in the name of selling graphics engines, why dont they get covered?

Re:Autospooge (4, Informative)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834660)

Go pick up the latest PCGamer and read the review. Or go check out PlanetDoom [planetdoom.com] and read the reviews in the forum section. All signs point to it being an amazing game that completely lives up to the hype.

Re:Autospooge (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834673)

I don't know, but I can tell you that Far Cry kicks ass. It supports the latest in rendering techniques, but more importantly, it's a fun game with great level design and awesome enemy AI.

Doom 3 isn't going to impress me nearly as much as it would have if Far Cry hadn't beat them to the punch. Id didn't set the bar this time, CryTech did.

Re:Autospooge (1)

Doogie5526 (737968) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834684)

These articles are on the technology that will be the basis for a lot of games for the next 5 years. I haven't seen any articles on the actual gameplay (closest is the article on the upcoming Doom3 Tournament).

I can't even name all the games that used the Quake3 engine. Fixing up your computer to run Doom 3 well will mean likely other games using its engine will run well too.

New Standards (2, Interesting)

micr0c0sm (801346) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834498)

It is obvious that this sets a new standard for hardware scaling in games. 640x480 at low quality looks stunning, as does 1600x1200 at high. The fact that 80% of modern hardware (remember 78.1% of statistics are made up) can run it proves that id software is as dedicated as ever to providing the best gaming experience as possible. This guide also sets a new standard in thorough reviews. Granted this shouldn't be expected for every game, although it proves [H]ardOCP is comprised of a dedicated team (thanks Kyle and everyone else) who only want to bring the best information to the end-user. I for one have a new level of respect for id software, and [H]ardOCP. They are both setting new standards in thier respective areas.

Hardware guide? (5, Funny)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834515)

1. Chainsaw
2. Boomstick
3. Super boomstick
4. Chaingun
5. Rockets launcher
6. Plasma gun
7. BFG
and a bit of armor

what more do you need?

Aren't they standard issue for all Space Marines?

new gamers? (1)

slashdotbs (745462) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834526)

'With the prospect of so many new people being brought into gaming by DOOM 3...'

Does this mean they think a lot of people who will play Doom 3 will be 'new' to computer gaming? Aren't most the people excited by the (pending) release of the game people who have been playing games since the first Doom (and before)?

Re:new gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834894)

Actually, it is fair to expect Doom 3 to bring a lot of new people to Doom3.

The original Doom 1 introduced me to PC gaming, Quake 2 convinced me it was time to get a new system. Many of my friends got into PC gaming from Half Life. When they see these games on their friends computers, they develop a desire to have their own systems.

Yes, a lot of people who play Doom 3 will be new to computer gaming.

I'm glad there were screen shots... (5, Funny)

MattRog (527508) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834535)

Even looking at the configuration screen shots gave me a little wood: I can't imagine the unparalleled joy I will feel when I start it for the first time.

I suspect one of these things will occur:
1) my heart will stop for two or three seconds when I hear the first 5.1 audio
2) my bladder will burst from playing through the entire game in one marathon 54 hour session
3) I will immediately develop carpal tunnel and a permanent curved spine from sitting in my computer chair
4) My eyes will melt in their sockets like the Nazis in Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
5) all of the above

BRING IT ON

DARN! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834588)

I guess my 286 will need to be upgraded.

What's this pentigrade thing everyone's talking about?

Gaming Now More Popular (-1, Redundant)

barryfandango (627554) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834592)

"With the prospect of so many new people being brought into gaming by DOOM 3[...]"

This could be the event that brings video games into the mainstream!

3D Sound? (2, Interesting)

Lumpmoose (697966) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834599)

The article recommends a 5.1 speaker setup. Since EAX isn't supported (erm, yet) and it uses software-based audio, how does the game interface with, say, a normal DD/DTS reciever and it's digital vs. 6-channel analog inputs? I'm waiting for a DD-advertised game to actually output a Dolby Digital signal w/o an nForce.

/hopeless Creative junkie

Hardware on GNU/Linux (4, Interesting)

sverrehu (22545) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834603)

The interesting question is: What is the optimal hardware for running Doom 3 on a GNU/Linux system? I haven't played a game since RtCW, and I want to buy a new system to play Doom 3 on GNU/Linux. I know nothing about the current state of hardware support for various high-end graphics cards on GNU/Linux.

Re:Hardware on GNU/Linux (5, Informative)

Nosf3ratu (702029) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834723)

Here's the long and short answer:

ATI 3d support is spotty at best. Nvidia support is excellent. Their cards perform just as good (if not better, in some cases) in Linux as they do in Windows. I have been gaming with Linux and Nvidia exclusively for about three years (including all the recent titles, such as RtCW, Q3, UT2K3, UT2K4, and ET) and it performs very well. Pair up a big nVidia with a 64bit Athlon, and you've got an excellent gaming rig.

So, the answer: The optimal hardware is the same, no matter what the operating system (although you would require less RAM on Linux, for example, if you use a slim window manager, as compared to XP, etc, etc, ymmv, and all that rot.)

Re:Hardware on GNU/Linux (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834895)

X + fluxbox seemingly takes up more memory than Windows XP does just sitting there.

But then again, they manage memory in different ways. Linux tends to abhor swapping, while Windows tends to do it opportunistically.

But then again, again, Xfree (that includes X.org) sucks from the "lean and mean window drawin' machine" point of view.

Re:Hardware on GNU/Linux (1)

untermensch (227534) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834725)

With ATI cards at least, I'm sure the GNU/Linux performance will be considerably worse than Windows, since the best drivers available are based on the FireGL series, not the Catalyst series. I'm not sure how things stand with Nvidia, but again I strongly suspect the drivers won't be as good.

Re:Hardware on GNU/Linux (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834772)

That's easy, you're pretty much limited to nVidia, since ATi's OpenGL support is blowful under Windows.

Couple that with the general crappiness of their drivers under linux and you've got yourself one hell of a losing combination.

In fact, like every other premiere title, Windows ATi users will probably have to wait a couple driver releases, or jump through some hoops, to play at all.

Call of Duty was horribly broken on ATi (hardlocks every 20 seconds). Thief 3 was broken (badly rendered shadows, which if you know anything about the Thief series, makes the game all-but unplayable). Far Cry was giving people problems. TRON 2.0 had problems, Halo had problems (you had to disable pixel shading to play it and it looked worse than Xbox!) Splinter Cell had problems, etc, etc, etc, etc..

And release after release comes out with bugfixes for esoteric shit that nobodies ever heard of.

Doom 3 should be no different. I can't wait to spend some time on the rage3d forums trying to figure out how to get it to run.

Critical Deadline Approaching (-1, Offtopic)

dnahelix (598670) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834665)






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Re:Critical Deadline Approaching (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834743)

Shyeah, right. If that asscaptain manages to get elected, I'm sure I'll be making annual "contributions" on my 1040 form that will be more than adequate for all concerned.

Re:Critical Deadline Approaching (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834789)

so its a grassroots campaign, congratualing themselves for raising more money than bush.

WOW.

well i am gonna go stare at the wall while those 48 hours tick away.

Could you have waited? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834709)

I was still reading it when yall /.ed it. Now it no longer responds.... Sigh.....

"Assassins!"
- Arturo Toscanini (1867-1957) to his orchestra

w00t! (1)

penginkun (585807) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834748)

Looks like my Athlon 2500+ and Radeon 9600SE will work out OK. Now all I need is a copy of the game...anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Slashdot mega-hyped (0)

Jesterboy (106813) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834777)

After all this coverage Doom 3 seems to be getting from various places including Slashdot, I really hope the game doesn't suck. By now, everybody must be convinced it's visually and aurally breathtaking (assuming you have the system to run it); I just hope the gameplay is as equally impressive.

Of course, I suppose I could just be bitter because I'll have to wait for the XBox version....-_-

Was that necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Yodzilla (703953) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834816)

Who gave that Edwards/Kerry thing a 2? Talk about off topic and insulting. I bet John McKean can kick Kerry's ass in UT. Did someone say Ultra Kill? Anyhow, I think it's kind of sad that I own an MSI GeForce 5900U and am still pining over the BFG 6800 GT. The fact that there is newer better stuff out there and I don't have it makes me hurt...

Doom3 Board (2, Interesting)

vurg (639307) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834835)

Don't forget your customized Doom 3 zboard keyset [zboard.com].

Re:Doom3 Board (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834919)

Ahh! Piss me off.

I bought a z-board a couple weeks ago. If I had have waited I could have gotten a free Doom 3 keyset.

Oh well, all the FPS keysets are the same as the (generic) Crossfire keyset, they just have game-specific doodles on them.

Btw, I love the zBoard, even as a regular keyboard. I was really skeptical of it when I first saw it. But, the base is solid and a bit heavy, the key action is great, and the gaming keysets rock.

JPEG Compression (2, Insightful)

Overand (590318) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834888)

I don't know if I'm the only person who noticed this, but these screenshot images are REALLY poorly compressed; doing a side-by-side comparison is pointless if all you see are JPEG Jaggies.

Big question for me... (1)

wanerious (712877) | more than 9 years ago | (#9834906)

Will the monsters still fight each other? That was the coolest thing (to me) about Doom/Doom II.

Spoiler alert!!! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9834915)

Gnnnnnnh! By God, please don't read the article if you are a spoiler-sensitive person. The fps-graph clearly indicates the locations of monsters as the article describes how "some heavy action that requires the video card to draw several monsters at one time, the frame rate can drop down". Thankfully I didn't look at the x-axis too carefully. Be cautious, people! This article may truly be the demise of your Doom3 experience!
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