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Sleeping Problems?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the unable-to-count-sheep dept.

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hugo_pt asks: "I have had sleep problems for some years, but it always get worse in the Summer. Yesterday I slept one hour, so when I got home at 8PM I thought I'd sleep till 9AM or so. Wrong. It's 1.36AM, and I can't sleep anymore. Instead, I'm reading The Complete FreeBSD, and the urge to sleep is gone. I was wondering how many Slashdot readers suffer from this problem, and what they do to combat it ?"

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Solution (2, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834542)

"I was wondering how many Slashdot readers suffer from this problem, and what they do to combat it ?"

Go to work. Repeat as necessary.

Re:Solution (1)

mikehoskins (177074) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834687)

Caffeine?

Re:Solution (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9834965)

Excersize more. If that isn't going to happen or help, get Melatonin from a grocery store. It isn't a drug. Just a very healthy hormone (and anti-oxidant). If that doesn't help, get some marijuana.

Don't bother with a doctor. All they will offer are brain damaging anti-psychotics like Seroquel or addictive drugs.

P.S. only use Marijuana if it is legal in your country, of course.

You're not gonna like this idea... (4, Insightful)

missing000 (602285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835196)

but it may be worth trying.

Years ago, I had an extended bout with insomnia, and the only thing that cured it was a career change.

Often, sleep loss coincides with stress, and that typically is job related. Even going on vacation doesn't tend to help due to the fact that you still think about work (at least in the sub-conscious.)

At the time, I was sleeping maybe 3-4 hours a night, and I had no idea what was causing it. On the advice of a professional, I tried another industry, and found that my sleep pattern improved almost over-night (no pun intended.)

Re:You're not gonna like this idea... (2, Informative)

Sepper (524857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835584)

Often, sleep loss coincides with stress

SO true...

Loss of sleep (and Oversleeping) are symptoms of Anxiety and/or Depression. I know. I suffered from it... Somedays I could sleep 14h strait... a week later, I would get 14h of sleep in 3 days... Not fun...

But simple insomnia is also a chronical problem. If it really is a problem, I suggest seeing a doctor. He can probably point to some group or clinical study.(if he doesn't just gives you pills)

I know that the University of Montreal has a kind of 'Sleep clinic' where they study big problem, but I can't find any information on them.

Re:Solution (1)

orangesquid (79734) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835431)

Man, I wish I had this guy's problem.
I have problems sleeping too MUCH. I have trouble getting to bed some nights, but usually, after 8 huors of sleep, I have trouble getting out of bed. Sometimes my blood pressure is about 70/40 mmHg when I wake up and my pulse is about 40BPM (my physician's best guess is that my body slows down so much when I'm asleep that I don't get enough oxygen).
I never have the energy to do anything. I'm young, in fairly good health, get some regular exercise, eat a mostly balanced diet, and I'm careful about my caffeine intake.
I'm really stumped about how to fix it.

Re:Solution (1)

Sepper (524857) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835705)

my physician's best guess is that my body slows down so much when I'm asleep that I don't get enough oxygen

Sound a bit like Sleep apnea [www.lung.ca] altough it would give you HIGH blood pressure, not low... You might want to ask your physician about that...

Re:Solution (0, Redundant)

dimss (457848) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835535)

That's true. No fun.

Get some kids (2, Insightful)

o1d5ch001 (648087) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834574)

My wife has given birth to two beautiful children in the last three years. We used to like to stay up late and sometimes I couldn't sleep. Now I go to bed at 10:30 PM if I can, and stay there as long as possible. Which is usually until 7 AM when our 2 year old wakes up and wants breakfast!

I never have a problem sleeping.

Re:Get some kids (4, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835163)

Hey wait, my kid turns one month old on Saturday, and I haven't slept in weeks!

drink (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9834590)

heavily

Re:drink (1)

dave-tx (684169) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834650)

heavily

I tried this, but all it made me do was wake up and pee. And it annoyed my wife.

Re:drink (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9834691)

what kind of /.er are you? Not only do you have a significant other, but you married her??? No nerd can get chicks!

Re:drink (4, Funny)

dave-tx (684169) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834721)

what kind of /.er are you? Not only do you have a significant other, but you married her??? No nerd can get chicks!

Which is why I don't play the lottery or visit Las Vegas - I've used up my share of luck.

What I'm trying to do.... (4, Insightful)

dave-tx (684169) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834618)

....cut way back on coffee. I've got similar sleep problems, and I'm convinced it's caffeine related. I don't drink coffee after 3PM, but if I don't have a cup early in the morning, I've got headaches for the rest of the day.

Currently, I'm cutting back, and have been on a 2 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon ration. Bit by bit, I'm going to get off it completely. Of course, when work gets busy, I'm sure I'll get back on it.

Re:What I'm trying to do.... (2, Interesting)

TheBunk (741153) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834678)

I second that. Since I've given up caffeen almost entriely (used to down massive ammounts of mountain dew), I've had very little problem going to sleep at night. The upside is your body dosen't have the tolerance to the stuff, and when you really need it, it works great. Just don't get hooked on the feeling awake feeling.

Re:What I'm trying to do.... (1)

f0rtytw0 (446153) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835539)

Pretty much what I did. Realized I didn't need caffine to be awake in the morning or at any other time. Also now I have less tolerance for caffine so when I really think I need it one cup of coffee will really wake me up.

Re:What I'm trying to do.... (3, Informative)

pbox (146337) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835073)

I second (third) this. My limit is 4pm and usually getting to bed at midnight. If I drink coffee later, I stay up later, with miserable sleep.

Other thing is your monitor. It is proven that staring at a bright object will postpone your sleep cycle. (It applies to TV as well), so lay it off by 9-10pm, then you will get sleepy naturally.

Re:What I'm trying to do.... (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835836)

I switch from coffee to boring tea. I went from one day drinking three cups of coffee to the next day drinking a similar ammont of tea. There is a chemical in tea that is similar to caffine, but not nearly as strong. The tea prevented the headaches. I was able to quit tea cold turkey after about a week. Now I drink a lot of water instead. I think drinking water is a psycological depedancy.

Re:What I'm trying to do.... (1)

DeComposer (551766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836075)

Cutting back on caffeine is not a bad place to start.

It's helpful to know how much caffeine levels vary between different forms of liquid refereshment. [coffeefaq.com] . Your average 12 ounce cup of drip coffee, for example, has between four and six times as much caffeine as the same volume of Mountain Dew. (Note that the figures on the website are based on '7 oz' cups. Who the hell has even seen a 7 oz cup?)

Wrong subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9834628)

Perhaps if the title was "Sleeping with women problems?", you'd get alot more replys (though mostly AC I'm sure)

Have you tried drinking???? (1)

xTMFWahoo (470364) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834629)

I can always fall asleep after a couple of beers or a glass or wine or two. I mainly have problems sleeping after playing socder/floor hockey at night after work.

Re:Have you tried drinking???? (1)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834694)

I'm pretty sure he wasn't looking to trade his insomnia for alcoholism. //smirk

Re:Have you tried drinking???? (2, Informative)

gt384u (560599) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834811)

I agree with the glass of wine or beer suggestion, but don't take it as license to go nuts. From what I remember from class, alcohol inhibits the body's ability to enter the more important phases [nih.gov] of the sleep cycle. Sleep apneas are also more prevalent. Sort of explains why you feel tired after sleeping till 2 on Saturday after going out and drinking the night before.

Re:Have you tried drinking???? (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835024)

Research has found that alcohol induced sleep (even if just one beer) is not as good as real sleep. The alcohol prevents your brain from going into a deep REM sleep.

Re:Have you tried drinking???? (1)

xTMFWahoo (470364) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835177)

agreed. although I prefer bad sleep over no sleep.

and I'm not advocating 10 beers- 3-4 does it for me. I use it a a relaxing agent.

Re:Have you tried drinking???? (2, Insightful)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835731)

If you are taking 3 or 4 beer a night to sleep, you have a health problem. You could be an alcoholic, or just an insomniac. One beer before trying to sleep is too many.

Thanks for the advice (0, Flamebait)

missing000 (602285) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835877)

Coming from a guy named "Bishop", I'll take it with a large grain of salt. Or should that be a glass or two of wine?

Either way, I'll knock a couple back for ya next time I'm at the pub.

Re:Thanks for the advice (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835967)

You misunderstand me. I like many a beer, and have rarely turned down a drink. However if you are drinking to go to sleep then you have a problem.

alcohol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9834654)

Alcohol, my permanent accessory
Alcohol, a party-time necessity
Alchool, alternative to feeling like yourself
O alcohol, I still drink to your health

I love you more than I did the week before
I discovered alcohol

Forget the caffe latte, screw the raspberry iced tea
A malibu and coke for you, a g&t for me
Alcohol, your songs resolve like
My life never will
When someone else is picking up the bill

I love you more than I did the week before
I discovered alcohol
O alcohol, would you please forgive me?
For while I cannot love myself
I'll use something else

I thought that alcohol was just for those with
Nothing else to do
I thought that drinking just to get drunk
Was a waste of precious booze
But now I know that there's a time
And there's a place where I can choose
To walk the fine line between
Self-control and self-abuse

I love you more than I did the week before
I discovered alcohol
Would you please ignore that you
Found me on the floor
Trying on your camisole?
O alcohol, would you please forgive me?
For while I cannot love myself
I'll use something else.

Would you please forgive me
Would you please forgive me

benedryl (1)

jptechnical (644454) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834656)

I usually have the problem close to the deadline for website or during a big network job.
usually I cant sleep because I cant stop thinking about what I am going to do the next day.
So I will usually get up, take a benedryl or 2 and do some work. Then I get sleepy in an hour or 2 and then I am good till morning.

But then I am usually groggy in the morning.

Tylenol PM also works.

I only have to do this from time to time so I am not too worried about getting hooked.

Watch out for sleeping aids... had a friend get pretty hooked on them. Read the warnings... often a side effect is actually insomnia.

Re:benedryl (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834987)

You should get a perscription for a real sleeping pill.

Re:benedryl (1)

sam_van (602963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835141)

Funny thing about Benadryl Allergy and Tylenol PM: same active ingredient diphenhydramine (sp, I think). Yet Tylenol PM is twice the price (3x if you go for generic Benadryl), and you load on unneeded pain killers. Go for the benadryl if you must, though typically the sleep causing effects wear off in 4 hours (thought the grogginess stays).

Some of the prescription stuff is pretty scary as far as effects (immediate and sudden) and addiction factors go. Also, the hyponotic class of drugs (Ambien, etc.) is often only covered in fairly limited amounts by insurance plans and is WICKED expensive otherwise.

Get generic benadryl and save money! (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835395)

I also can't sleep because I'm stare at the ceiling thinking about network cables or parsing perl... code dreams are the worst.

My doctor gave me the following advise: Get the generic brand of Benadryl and save money.

If you can't sleep because of stress, don't take Tylenol PM just for sleeping because it also contains a painkiller, acetaminophen, which may upset your stomach.

If two Benadryl makes you groggy in the morning, try taking just one.

Benadryl and Tylenol PM both contain the same active sleeping ingredient: "Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride".

I picked up some generic Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride tablets at Costco yesterday for almost 20 times less then the cost of Benadryl ($0.02 per tablet instead of $0.30 for Benadryl).

In response to the other poster: Benadryl doesn't require a perscription because it is non-addictive. Perscription-grade sleeping pills are sometimes addictive (and EXPENSIVE).

Re:benedryl (1)

ShannaraFan (533326) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835404)

Ditch the Benadryl, pick up an herbal supplement called Valerian - take one or two when you need it, about an hour before bedtime, you'll sleep like a log and won't wake up drowsy.

Re:benedryl (2, Insightful)

c0d3h4x0r (604141) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835984)

Be VERY careful not to take an over-the-counter medication like this on any long-term basis (longer than 2-3 days straight) as a "solution" to your sleeping problems. These medications are harsh on your liver and kidneys and are not meant to be taken for longer than a few days, max. If you take them every day over a long period you can permanently screw yourself up.

Caffeine and Over-Tiredness (5, Informative)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834664)

Most Slashdotters probably don't notice how much caffeine they consume during a regular day - and there's even a whole bunch that think, "It has no effect on me whatsoever!"

But, it realy does. On days I'm not feeling well or have sleeping issues, I simply cut my caffeine intake for the next two or three days and my body usually cycles back to normal.

It IS possible to be "over-tired". Try doing something quiet with the lights low, like reading a light book in bed, or talking to a friend on the phone with the lights off. It may take a while, but you'll usually doze off.

Re:Caffeine and Over-Tiredness (1)

mr_rattles (303158) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835800)

I agree, I used to think that caffeine had none to little affect on me until I got an ulcer and decided to give up caffeine and cut back on spicy foods and alcohol. The first couple of weeks I was constantly exhausted and now when I have an occasional pop I can definitely tell that it affects my sleeping and sleepiness.

However, when I'm not drinking caffeine I can still maintain the lifestyle I was used to when I was drinking caffeine, I just feel more rested when I actually do get a good night's sleep.

I still have trouble sleeping from time to time though and I just roll with it. The first half of the work week I usually only get about 5-10 hours of sleep total and at the end of the week (Thursday and Friday) I can maybe pull off getting 6 hours of sleep each night. I think the stress that comes with the belief that you should be getting X hours of sleep each night is really what does you in. I just don't worry about not getting enough sleep any more. Fortunately I'm very adaptable and I can get all the sleep I need when I die (from exhaustion ;).

Re:Caffeine and Over-Tiredness (1)

will.murnane (791409) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835839)

Actually, I think it may vary on a person-to-person basis. I am not a big user of caffeine, and have only been to Starbucks once. Ever. However, the other night I had a large Mountain Dew at around 9:30 and I was asleep by 10. This is a one-time thing, however. When I used to go to camp for the summer, and get 10x as much caffeine as I usually do, I would have trouble sleeping. These days all I have to do is listen to a debate on the presidential campaign, and it's off to lullaby land. Seriously, isn't it in November? Coverage's been going on for a year now!

Insomnia (2, Informative)

higuy48 (568572) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834669)

I'd say insomnia is pretty well known. Did it occur to you that you are suffering from some form of it? Check it here [webmd.com] .

Alter your diet and/or take vitamins/supplements (1, Redundant)

dacarr (562277) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834702)

No, seriously, altering your diet will help. I've noticed if I'm surviving largely on non-nutritive junk foods for a fairly prolonged period of time and my body has depleted whatever reserve of materials it needs, I will start losing sleep - the solution oddly enough has been just an over the counter multivitamin supplement for a quick fix, and changing my diet so I'm actually eating right for a change. The big one has been fruit juices and gatorade in lieu of straight water, as I don't eat much fruit or veggies. (I only occasionally drink soda, so that's sort of moot.)

For my wife, who is for some reason nocturnal by default, melatonin has been *a* solution.

But back to the altered diet thing. Talk to a doctor and make detailed notes of what you're eating. If it doesn't look like something you would feed to your own children regularly as more than a snack, why the HELL are you putting it down your own throat? Let's face it, Nestle Quik is NOT breakfast, kids.

Other things you can do are cut back on caffeine - it has a half life of six hours, so that 2L of mountain dew you chugged at your late lunch will be giving you acute insomnia. Ditto with the half gallon of coffee you drink throughout the day. Yes, caffeine is good, but there is a such thing as too much.

Re:Alter your diet and/or take vitamins/supplement (1)

Piquan (49943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836133)

For my wife, who is for some reason nocturnal by default, melatonin has been *a* solution.

I'm glad that it's helping your wife, but I would like to add a caution about melatonin.

Given what the archetypical /.er's diet, stressful job, caffiene consumption, etc, I wouldn't be surprised if many have prehypertension (defined as BP at or over 120/80). Since melatonin can constrict blood vessels, there's some concern that it may pose a danger for those

Now, in the Jan. 20, 2004, rapid-access issue of Hypertension, there was a report that suggested that melatonin may be good for your blood pressure. The media picked up on that study, and so of course it's overpublicised. It's important to realize that this was a small test, and more research is required before conclusions can be drawn.

Personally, I suspect that the melatonin helped the subjects sleep, and better sleep helped with the blood pressure. There are unquestioned links between sleep apnea and high blood pressure, but whether sleep problems (in general or apnea in particular) is a contributory factor to high blood pressure is still undetermined. So my idea is just a hypothesis.

Anyway, back to the point: I would recommend that anybody with cardiovascular issues ask their physician before taking melatonin.

Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor, and I have absolutely no medical training. I do have prehypertension (common) and sleep apnea (less common).

Things to do (3, Informative)

damu (575189) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834705)

There should be a ton of resources all over the web about this. First, don't stay in bed or do other activities in bed other than sleep. Your body needs to know that when you are in bed you are there to sleep. Cut back on the chocolate, sweets, coffee, etc, specially late at night. Drink some warm milk before you get to bed. Do different things before you go to bed and see which one actually makes you sleep then try to get that in a routine before going to bed. Exercise!

Some Obvious Suggestions (5, Informative)

blunte (183182) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834730)

1. Halt all caffeine intake. Caffeine stays in your system a long time and interferes with natural sleep signals.

2. Stop watching TV or other "bright" displays a few hours before you wish to sleep. I forget the name of the brain chemical (and I don't feel like looking it up), but bright light (sunlight esp., computer monitors, TVs, etc.) cause the brain to generate "wake up" chemicals. Instead, try reading print material if you need intellectual stimulation in the evening.

3. Go to bed when you first feel drowsy. I have a window between 9 and 10pm where I get drowsy. If I don't go to bed then, I'll magically refresh and then stay up until 2+am.

4. Get a regular schedule. Don't nap. Get up at the same (early) time each day, and go to bed at the same time each night. Ideally, try to align your schedule with the sun. It will help.

Good luck.

Forgot One (a fun one :) (2, Insightful)

blunte (183182) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834774)

You may not want to do this every night (it can get a little unexciting after a while), but 1-2 hours of sex definitely helps.

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835099)

If I don't go to bed then, I'll magically refresh

This is well known and most people experience it. For most people it is two hours after your usuall sleep time. Some researchers refer to it as "dead time."

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (4, Informative)

klui (457783) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835310)

The sleep chemical would be melatonin.

Parent suggestions are good. The most important are sleep at around the same time each night. Don't do anything else besides sleeping or having sex on your bed (like surfing on the internet, eating, watching TV, etc).

I had sleep problems many years ago, and I took a class on Qi-Gong. I was able to sleep after 2 weeks of nightly meditation. The poster's inability to sleep may be due to stress. Exercise may help here--just don't do it just before bedtime. Balanced diet will also help.

Basically, you need to just try lots of things. But like many others have said, reduce alcohol and caffeine (including chocolate) consumption.

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (1)

neilsly (106751) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835416)

the third (and fourth) suggestions here are damn good suggestions.

I'm the same way; with my current sleeping habits I get sleepy around 11 - 12, but I fight it and stay up unil 2 or 3 when I have to lay in bed for an hour to fall asleep

I've done most of these.... (1)

students (763488) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835571)

And they didn't work for me. I've been having trouble sleeping for years. But I haven't tried number two. I don't think I could stop reading before bed, but I will at least turn down the brightness on my LCD. I'm not sure it will help, because my problems started shortly after I learned to read print material. Enough rambling... will just turning down the brightness and turning of the lights help?

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (1)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835597)

Don't nap.

There is some controversy regarding naps. Some research suggests that humans should take a 2 hour nap in late afternoon. And take a long 8 hour sleep at night. The 2 hour nap is problematic. Most of us are working at that time.

Personally some of the best sleep I ever had was durring university. I would usually have a nap after class, waking up at 5 for supper.

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (1)

Plake (568139) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836081)

Getting in to a well rounded sleep pattern is a smart idea. Make sure that you don't oversleep either that can cause problems for getting back to sleep that night if you slept till 10am instead of say getting up at 7-8am (I'm thinking of a weekend here).

I usually like to get a short amount of sleep on a Saturday night so for Sunday night I usually get tired around 9pm and will be in bed and asleep by 10:30 and sleep till 6:30am, which is perfect for allow myself to function.

Re:Some Obvious Suggestions (1)

MasterLock (581630) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836120)

5. Exercise. Get plenty of it.

my solutions (3, Insightful)

xutopia (469129) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834745)

1. play sports
2. drink only on week ends (yeah drinking just a bit makes it harder to get a restful night)
3. I have sex (regularly)
4. I never have any cafeine after 3 in the afternoon.
5. try to keep my bed/eating time the same throughout the week (means week end too)

YMMV

Cut down your light levels and stress (1)

acidrain (35064) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834756)

I recently had to get thick curtains, and pin them to the wall around my bedroom window. Ambient light can be a huge problem.

Stress is another factor. If you are finding yourself responding emotionally to things you think about while falling asleep that may be another problem. This one is harder, as you cannot pin people in your life to the wall when they piss you off. All I can reccomend on this one is trying to keep things in perspective, being able to shelve your work life for example when you go home.

Go to sleep when you're tired (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834763)

Exercise. Do something to use up some energy. Don't eat chocolate or drink pop after 5 or 6:00pm. Don't use your bed for anything except sleeping.

Re:Go to sleep when you're tired (1)

mbrezu79 (669155) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834936)

Well, I mostly agree, but there is one catch here: if I exercise late in the evening (as in less than 2 hrs before going to sleep) I seem to have trouble sleeping. I've also heard people saying that exercising early in the morning may be bad for the heart (it has to switch quickly from resting to effort). So I guess a good time for exercising is something like 6-8pm if you plan to go bed around 10-11pm.

One more thing: I've had trouble sleeping because I was dehydrated. Drinking something like half a liter of water helped (sometimes 3 quarters of a liter - YMMV, of course).

Re:Go to sleep when you're tired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835772)

so a double shot of expresso after dinner is a bad idea?

well actually for me it doenst matter cause i dont have problems sleeping.

personal experience... (1)

Blob Pet (86206) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834783)

I tend to sleep less and feel crappy as a result if all I've been doing is sitting around all day long in front of a computer. I'll feel tired, but I'll stay up anyway.

OTOH, when I'm more active, like jogging a couple of miles a few times a week, my body's much more willing to rest for 8 hours.

In short, I'm not a doctor, but I suspect the level of physical extertion could play a role in how much sleep you get.

Whitenoise (2, Interesting)

schnits0r (633893) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834853)

I like white noise, I have a aquarium bubbling in my room, a computer that is always on, 4 pet rats that scurry around at night and now wiht the heat, I have a 20 inch fan that is in use during the night. I find the whitenoise helps me sleep. When my computer was in for repairs I couldn't get any sleep at all, every little noise woke up up and it did't feel normal.

Re:Whitenoise (2, Funny)

hool5400 (257022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835502)

When my computer was in for repairs I couldn't get any sleep at all, every little noise woke up up and it did't feel normal.

You were just worried about your computer being away from home, all alone and exposed.

WAIT...you didn't fix your own computer? What has slashdot become?!

I just read Slashdot. (2, Funny)

Mordant (138460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834876)

Works like a champ . . . ::yawn:: ;>

Hard Aerobic Exersize (2, Informative)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834880)

A good long run, bike ride, treadmill jog, or stairmaster workout should help.

I find that after I get on a regular exersize regimine, I acually sleep a little less, but I am more rested because I sleep harder.

Honestly - Change Jobs (1)

MerlynEmrys67 (583469) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834892)

Ok, I made a lifestyle adjustment a LONG time ago to not use an alarm clock (yes I have one, I use it when I absolutely HAVE to be somewhere at a given time - but not daily). I find I fall into two catagories

1) Not able to sleep - too much stress
2) Not able to wake up - nothing interesting to do

My solution is when I get into one of these two states for longer than a few days is to go find another job. If my job isn't interesting enough to get me out of bed in the morning, lets go find something interesting to do - and if my job is so stressful that I can't sleep at night, time to find something less stressful

A few things to try (2, Insightful)

raider_red (156642) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834930)

I've dealt with sleeping problems in the past, and have made some adjustments to deal with them.

First, I don't drink caffeine after 5:00 PM. Second, I exercise regularly. Third, meditation of some form usually helps. Fourth, when all else fails, there's Benadryl. And finally, you can always try reading documents from www.dot.gov .

Do this and you will sleep (1)

redog (574983) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834945)

Skip breakfast have a cup of coffee. Eat a good lunch but don't stuff yourself. Drink 4-6 beers before attempting to eat any supper. Do not drink any hardliquers or wines in place of beers. Eat a healthy supper then laydown. You will sleep well.

This will work, however it cannot be done every night you should be able to use this effectivly 2 mabe 3 times a week.

Or if you can sleep hungry skip a day of eating every now and then.

Get Some Exercise (3, Interesting)

BortQ (468164) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834951)

Sometimes I have trouble sleeping. However, I never have any trouble sleeping if I got some good exercise that day.

Why should your body rest itself when it hasn't been worked? At the very least you can run around the block once or twice an hour before your bedtime.

Opposite problem (1)

madox (132149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834975)

I, for one, am getting pretty envious of all the people I know that have trouble sleeping. I wish I couldn't sleep so well, then I could more work done. I don't play sports or excerise, and do take caffiene, but I nod off easily in the day plus sleep 12h a night if I dont watch it. Thank god for alarm clocks. :p

Just saying, some people may not call what you have a 'problem' ^_-

Re:Opposite problem (1)

kevinmf (628527) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835126)

yeah, i see what you're saying, but the other problem sucks too. sleeping for just a few hours every night leaves me tired the next day and groggy. For some reason, even if I am tired, I'll go to sleep, but then wake up every hour or two anyway. Both sides kind of suck i guess.

Re:Opposite problem (1)

WyerByter (727074) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835736)

You may want to talk to your doctor about sleeping disorders like sleep apnea. Specific questions he will ask include - Do you snore? Do you nod off at traffic lights? While reading? Or any other low energy activity?
Many sleep disorders can cause sleep deprivation and that can be dangerous to you or cause you to be a danger to others.
These things can be fixed. Some times by losing weight, through surgery or with mechanical help. I used to have sleep apnea. I had a tonselectimy(sp) and a UPPP (damn doctors, they're as bad as geeks) and now I sleep much better, and my wife can sleep in the same room.

I'm not a doctor, but I play one on Slashdot (3, Insightful)

KilobyteKnight (91023) | more than 10 years ago | (#9834989)

Sleep disorders can be a symptom of medical problem. And lack of sleep can lead to them. Don't be a dork. Go to the doctor. The doctor will likely perscribe you some anti-anxiety medication or sleeping pills.

Asking medical advice from these folks is silly.

Good news for you (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835017)

John Kerry is scheduled to speak for 55 minutes tonight.

Your sleep problems are solved.

Oops. Forgot the disclaimer. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835079)

I'm voting for Micheal Badnarik [lp.org] . Save the Bush/Kerry flamefest for another thread.

Simple (0, Redundant)

Cranx (456394) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835030)

Get to bed at the same time every night, and go early, not late. Lose the Conan/Kimmel/Leno habit.

Plan for 8-10 hours of sleep, not 8 max.

Eat light in the evening, but don't go to bed hungry.

Don't drink alcohol in the evenings.

Drink a little water before bed. Blow your nose. Go to the bathroom.

Focus on something untroubling before bed, such as a crossword puzzle or memorize a list of foreign language words.

Exercise regularly, and exercise hard, but never in the evenings.

Keep your bedroom dark and quiet. Install heavy curtains to block all light and keep meowing cats, barking dogs, etc. quiet. Use earplugs if you have to.

Lots of warmth, light and oxygen in the daytime. Open all your curtains, turn on overhead lights and open windows to let fresh air in. Turn the A/C down so it's a little warmer inside during the day.

Turn down the A/C so it's cooler, around 66F or less, at night.

Be good to your loved ones.

IANAP, But This Has Helped Me (1)

Landaras (159892) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835036)

Disclaimer: I am not a physician. This is not medical advice. If you are in need of medical advice, please consult a physician licensed to practice medicine in your state.

That said, I've had difficulties regulating my sleep for years. I've recently had success thanks to some of what I'll share below.

First off, if you have insurance, don't be afraid to see a doctor regarding this. The same advice that we're giving, if it comes from an MD, would probably carry more weight to you. As such, you're more likely to change habits.

Also, doctors can prescribe medication (such as Ambien), and posters here generally cannot.

However, medication is an aid to a solution, not the solution itself. A doctor will probably only give you a week or two worth of medication, and might not be willing to refill it. So you'll have to make other long-term adjustments.

Caffeine can do some very bad things to your system, so you might need to cut back on that. My self-imposed, physician-approved limit is two caffeinated drinks a day. I also don't allow caffeine (or other substantial eating) past 8 PM.

If you do exercise (which is a good thing), you should avoid significant physical exertion past 8 PM.

You also need to train your body so that once you lay down on your bed, one of two things will happen: sleep or sex. (/* insert joke here */) Do not read in bed, do school work or similar, or anything else besides sleep or sex.

If you do try to go to sleep, and can't fall asleep after 20-25 minutes, get up and out of bed. Do something enjoyable like reading a book or playing a computer game for half hour to an hour. Then get in bed and try again to fall asleep. If you're not asleep after 20-25 minutes, get up and divert yourself for a little longer. Repeat until you're asleep.

You have to avoid naps during the day. Naps feel great at the time, but they will screw up your sleep cycle significantly. If you're tired enough to take a nap, consider taking a shower instead to wake yourself back up.

Finally, give yourself some positive reinforcement. If I successfully get to sleep between 9 PM and 1 AM, and get up between 5 AM and 9 AM, I reward myself. I immediately buy myself a song off of iTunes and listen to it as I get ready for my day.

I hope this helps.

- Neil Wehneman

something completely different (1)

Da_Slayer (37022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835097)

I am not be a normal slashdoter in the sense that I do not drink beverages with caffeine and I do take a regular vitamin suppliment. As I have gotten older I have had to stay up later to get work done. High school is a joke, college requires some serious study/homework time and then running out of time after getting off working fulltime.

I remember reading about a study where elderly folks were brought into a room that simulated sun light in order to change their biological clock to align with what is considered normal night and day. All the test candidates were going to sleep around 8pm and waking up at 4-6 am. After a few months on and off of these treatment they were going to sleep between 10pm - midnight.

I am not saying it is your biological clock per say but it is a possibility. If you just cannot sleep because of too much energy (non-caffeine and sugar related) you could try a safe over the counter sleep aid. I tried Simply Sleep [tylenol.com] which is a Tylenol product with the same effective ingredients as Tylenol PM. For me it worked really well and I was knocked out for a solid 8 hours. I tried once to wake up before the allocated sleep time and I was mentally unable to function properly will still under the influence of this drug.

Currently I sleep about 4-5 hours a night and that works fine for me but when I know I need to be well rested for the next day, I take two sleep aids at 11pm and I am out like a light before midnight. I only do that once or twice a month at most. Just an example of one way to deal with sleeping problems.

Multiple causes and fixes (1)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835113)

Several factors can all affect your sleep schedule - much of it is lifestyle.

Diet - so cut back on the junk food and eat more fresh friuts and veggies

Caffiene - cut back on this (paradoxically, caffiene relaxes a few people)

Exercise - too little, or too much close to bedtime, can make you less likely to sleep. Regular moderate exercise helps almost anyone. Regular sex helps too! ;)

Light - Artificial light can screw up your diurnal cycle. Minimize exposure to bright lights in the early evening for a while.

Schedule: sleep runs in about a 90-minute cycle for most people. If you lay down at the right point in the sleepiness cycle, you usually doze off. If you wake up and can't get back to sleep, get out of bed and read until you start to feel sleepy and try again.

REMEDIES OF THE CHEMICAL KIND :)

Linden flower tea, taken an hour or so before you want to fall asleep.

Get a healthier life style... (1)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835218)

...as a result of a few health issues I have basically eliminated sugar and caffine from my diet, eat probably 90% fruits and veggies now, only drink water, little to no beef, and take a million (it seems) pills for vitimins and such a day. Well I can't get enough sleep now...I fall asleep at 9:30-10:00 if i can manage to stay awake that long. I still have to wake up at 6:30 for work, but always wake up still exhausted now...I feel tired most of the day and basically can't wait to get home and just go to bed...so much for a healthy life stly being good for you...but hey if ya wanna sleep.

Re:Get a healthier life style... (3, Informative)

Jerf (17166) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835966)

eat probably 90% fruits and veggies now,... so much for a healthy life stly being good for you...

Above all else, trust your own body. If you aren't feeling healthy, you aren't healthy.

I focus on the "90% fruits and veggies" part of your post because if I had to guess, this is the source of your problems. Depending on the fruits and veggies you are eating, this can leave you short of fat (good kinds) and protein (all kinds!). In fact, unless you have studied vegetarion dieting carefully it is almost certain that you are short. You need large enough quantities of fat and protein that you can't take them in pill form. (Protien supplements exist, but they are mostly targetted at body builders, and that is probably right.)

Now, personally, I find none of the reasons for vegetarianism compelling, so I say, go ahead and eat meat. Just try to eat it as unprocessed as possible, which is good advice for nearly all food. You may want to pay extra for organic. We've been eating it for millions of years, and many meats (including fish, seafood, and other such things) have a lot of good stuff in them that is difficult or impossible to get through fruits and veggies.

If you want to stay vegetarian, you must educate yourself on how to do it. There are a lot of resources, but as you may expect I can't recommend any :-). But I know you must be careful to eat more protein then you would if you didn't try; hence the popularity of tofu. (Nuts also, I think, but I defer to people who have actually lived this lifestyle on the issue; I wouldn't be surprised that there are different kinds of protein that nuts don't have or something.) If you don't educate yourself, you're headed for a world of premature hurt.

AFAICS, there are two things that are universally agreed on by nutritionists:
  1. Vegetables, esp. green leafy ones, are good for you.
  2. There is room in a healthy diet for all the food groups, and nobody (without an ideological agenda) supports removing fruits, veggies, and all meats (some would remove red meat, but I know of no serious nutritionist who wouldn't want you to eat fish).
Beyond that, the controversy still rages because nutrition isn't really a science right now [jerf.org] (links to my defense of that statement, see third or fourth header); stay sharp, make sure you are getting all of your nutrients, proteins, fats (good ones, at least, probably), and other vital building blocks. The more you restrict your diet a priori ("only fruits and veggies", "low carbs", etc.), the harder that is to do. (Of course, unrestricted diets are only easy in theory, in practice we seem to do a bad job on average.)

(I would be happy to hear from you if this helps.)

Exercise (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835248)

Do something that is physically challenging for an hour some time prior to going to sleep. You will get longer and better sleep if you are actually tired and not just sleepy.

As a chronic insomniac myself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835256)

My advice is to ignore what non-chronic insomniacs have to say about the subject. It's not about things 'running through your head', it's not about how much light there is, it's not about caffeine, it's not about alcohol or warm milk, or schedule, etc, etc. If you have a real sleep problem (and it sounds on first gloss like you do), then just go fix it: talk to a doctor.

It's either something like Apnea (where you stop breathing - sometimes you'll wake yourself up out-of-breath), or it's not. If you're like me, no apnea, then the answer is drugs.

The first thing to try is melatonin, but for me, that stopped being any help real quick. It's touchy, but my directions for Ambien below apply to this too.

Anyway, if you get fed up with that, go see your doctor for Ambien (I've tried a couple, and Ambien works great). ~8-9 hours before you have to get up, take one Ambien (5mg to start, up it to 10mg the next night if you don't have the following effect), read for 20 minutes, turn off the light, get into your sleeping position and wait. 7.5 hours later, you will awaken feeling better than you have felt in years (it doesn't always happen, but certainly the first couple of doses did for me) and will bounce out of bed. Stifle the urge to roar like a lion on waking.

(FYI, the pills are tiny, so make sure they don't get caught in your esophagus - this happened to me once and, on top of a bad night's sleep, really messed me up the next day when I finally did swallow it)

If you tend to go through 'bad periods' but can get okay sleep after that, then follow the doctor's advice: take Ambien for a week or two and then stop for a long time.

If, however, you really are a chronic, then follow my advice (with the consent of your doctor, IANAD): take 5mg after having one or two days of bad sleep, and don't take it weekends. 5mg will stop working 'great' after a while, but it continues to work okay.

Beware addiction: if you take ambien every few nights after a couple of weeks you will feel like you can't get to sleep without it. It's not true - ride it out. Drop it for a couple of weeks and then pick it up again.

It Could be serious... (4, Insightful)

Breakerofthings (321914) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835274)

I just went to the Dr a couple of weeks ago for this very problem. Turns out, my insomnia was being caused by a very serious medical problem. A medical problem that I didn't know about, and would have likely killed me (eventually) had it not been discovered.

So my advice is, go see your Dr.

Reading Helps (2, Informative)

north.coaster (136450) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835276)

I find that it's much easier for me to get to sleep if I do some light reading for a few minutes immediately before turning off the lights. This helps me wind-down and distract my mind from the events of the day. A couple pages of a book or magazine (not work related!) is all that's necessary.

Take breaks during the day (1)

Phleg (523632) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835278)

One of my biggest problems is that I'm so busy during the day, I rarely get a moment to sort through my thoughts and start doing some deep thinking. A significant portion of my job requires long-term thinking and planning, as do a lot of my own personal projects. Since I can't really ponder them on my own time, I start doing it the second my mind gets a break. In other words, when I start to go to sleep. I would lie in bed for hours at a time, just churning away until I finally exhausted the queue.

Now I make sure I get plenty of time to think to myself during the day. Sometimes I just take a walk during work, other times I make sure I haven't overscheduled myself.

If you find yourself lying awake at night because that's when you do your deepest thinking, try what I did. Make some time for that during the day.

Exercise and relaxation (4, Insightful)

Grab (126025) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835294)

First move is exercising. Do some. If you're working insane hours (12+) at work then you'll likely have no problems sleeping, simply through exhaustion. Otherwise exercise will use up some energy so that you don't feel twitchy.

I know people say "don't exercise after 8pm/10pm/whatever", but it's not a big deal. It may take you an hour or so to stretch, shower, chill out, etc after you've been running, but you'll sleep much better after that. Being a little later to bed is no big deal if you get a better quality of sleep.

Second move is to be relaxed before you go to bed. Do something that doesn't take serious mental effort. Play a game, play a musical instrument, read, whatever. *Don't* spend hours hacking immediately before bed, otherwise your brain will still be racing.

And if you can't sleep, get up and do one of the above for a bit until you *do* feel sleepy. Sometimes all your body needs is a change of scene - go to the bathroom, have a drink of water, and your body will get into "sleep mode".

Grab.

Depends on why you're not sleeping (5, Insightful)

Fished (574624) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835366)

As a long-time insomniac (read "programmer"), I've found that there are several different kinds of insomnia.
  1. There are some medical - i.e. conditions other than insomnia - that can cause sleeplessness. If this is a new thing, you might ask your doctor although he's unlikely to be very interested.
  2. Are you depressed? (Doesn't sound like.)
  3. I find that often my schedule just gets out of wack. In such cases, I find that melatonin - available over the counter as a "diet suppliment" helps most. Melatonin is allegedly the compound your body makes at night and is why you tend to get sleepy at night - don't know if this is true or supplement "hype". However, it is as effective for me as prescription sleeping pills, but without some of the side effects. It DOES, however, have other side effects, particularly if you're hypertensive or have an Autoimmune problem. Read up first.
  4. There are several kinds of sleeping pills available. The most common is diphenhydramine, i.e. benadryl. Available over the counter, don't take a big dose because a big dose can make you hyper. Doxylamine Succinate is also readily available otc, works much better for me than benadryl. It is usually found under the brand name "unisom", but not everything with a unisom label is doxylamine succinate. Buyer beware! Last, the doctor has many, many options, ranging from valium-like drugs (ambien, ativan, etc.) to anti-depressants (Remoron, one other whose name escapes), to blood pressure meds (clonidine.) However, I find that Doctors tend to be cavalier about side effects, so would try prescription meds last.
  5. Most of all, exercise will help, especially first thing in the morning. It helps set your cycle.
  6. "Sleep Hygiene" is important as well. When you go to bed, don't read: go to sleep. (If you're hitched, have sex - this is also a good sleep aid.) Don't do anything in bed but sleep and have sex. Put the clock where you can't see it - looking at the clock just gets you worried and keeps you up. Go to sleep at the same time every night, get up at the same time every day.
That's all that comes to mind. :)

Heh. Apparently, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835405)

5 is *right out!*

Re:Depends on why you're not sleeping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835844)

It might be a good idea to experiment with sleeping pills on a Friday or Saturday, or some other night when you can sleep in the following morning. I know that the particular kind I've tried (Doxylamine Succinate) tends to knock me out for a good 12-14 hours most of the time. Sleeping through half your workday or half your classes can be a bad thing. :)

Bed restrictions (1)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835468)

Don't do anything (especially read) in bed, at least I've heard that it can tamper with your bodies ability to recognize when you want to go to sleep.

Oh, and have sex, which is usually good for helping me get to sleep.

I also find forcing myself to yawn tells my body that I'm trying to sleep, and usually helps put me out within 10-15 minutes, although I could finally just get tired.

see a doctor (1, Informative)

Bishop (4500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835506)

Several posts have listed the standard best practices:

reduce caffine intake

exercise

change in diet

regular schedule

A regular sleep schedule is deffinately the most important. However if making those changes do not help then you should book time with a doctor. Some people suffer from hard core insomnia and will require a little help to get back on track. Some times insomnia is a symtom of a larger problem. At any rate lack of sleep will cause many other health problems.

There have been some posts suggesting various "home brew" remedies. I caution against taking any of those. Some, like alcohol, are dentremental to proper sleep. Others, such as many of the herbals, do work, but if your insomina is only a symptom of a larger problem the home brew remedy could complicate the problem. Especially if the problem is a hermone or chemical imbalance. Generally once insomniacs get their sleep patterns under control they only have to take a sleeping pill (or similar) infrequently. If a person has to take something every night to sleep then they deffinately need to see a doctor. Preferably a sleep specialist.

The Internet is packed full of information on sleeping disorders. Good information can be found from several respected organizations. If you go to a doctor it is always good to research what they are telling you.

Follow These Suggestions, Then See A Specialist (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835508)

If work a rotating shift schedule, get off and get stable working hours.

If you consume caffeine 8 hours or less before your bedtime, stop. Even if you used to get away with this, the body's metabolic rate changes as we grow older.

If you stuff a lot of sugar into your body, don't. The last thing you want when you're trying to fall asleep is a brain that's on a sugar buzz.

If these suggestions don't work, or don't apply, get your doctor to send you to a specialist. Sleep disorders are real and wicked problems that can be diagnosed and treated.

Finally, don't devalue sleep. We all get stupid if we don't sleep.

Caffeine Exercise and Doctor visit (2, Informative)

Unholy_Kingfish (614606) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835527)

I had the same problem for yeaaarssss. So I started working out. It helped a little bit. But I still would be up till at least 3am and not sleeping well. Changed my eating habits, helped me lose a few pounds. But helping me sleep better. I then cut back, then pretty much eliminated caffeine on a regular basis (no coffee or tea in the mornings, and no caffeine past 12PM). I still have it every now and then, especially the winter. That made a nice impact. I was able to fall asleep earlier, and sleep better. But not great. Then I finally went to the doctor, and found out I have a thyroid problem. And that was the main cause of me not sleeping. Damned chemical imbalance. But since I had already started to implement lifestyle changes, once I started the medication, I can fall asleep at a normal time, 1-1:30am at the latest.

1) Now if you don't exercise. Start. If you eat like crap, work you way out of it. Hey, I still eat bad at times, but little changes make a big difference. For example, I do not ever have pepperoni on my pizza anymore.

2) Reduce caffeine. Tough, but it make a difference, it takes time to wean off.

3) Visit your doctor. Blood work will find any problems.

More Sex (1)

garaged (579941) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835554)

No!, Really I used to have the very same problem, having sex almost every day took it off. and I mean it, no joke

Insomnia (1)

ralphb (15998) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835657)

Early waking, eh? Have you read Insomnia by Stephen King? The protagonist had the same problem. Careful, don't let the wrong Little Bald Doctor get you!

GO SEE A DOCTOR! (1)

gmiller123456 (240000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835677)

If you've been having sleeping problems for several years, there's probably something seriously wrong. Dpression is one psychological possibility, but there are a multitude of physiological problems which cause insomnia.

MJ works for me (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9835733)

I had similar promblem - 4-5 hours of sleep and as a result - terrible morning, terrible day. But since I moved to Canada and started to smoke every night I finally could fall asleep before 4am (and this is not mentioning the quality of the sleeping time).

Funny you should ask (4, Informative)

Piquan (49943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835808)

I just got back from an overnight sleep test at the Stanford Sleep Clinic.

There's a lot of misunderstandings about sleep. Many "pop" books regarding sleep, and a number of physicians, have plenty of misconceptions about sleep and sleep problems.

I highly recommend the book The Promise of Sleep [barnesandnoble.com] . It's written by Dr. Dement, one of the foremost sleep researchers. It helped me understand healthy sleep and sleep disorders, and lead to my discovery that I have a potentially life-threatening sleep disorder (which has just been diagnosed, and I'm about to begin treatment).

Sleep problems can lead to lots of problems in your physical and mental well-being. In my case, over the last several months, my productivity at work is shot. I can't concentrate on my code. I also don't have the energy to go out and have fun with my friends like I used to.

It's also difficult to recognize the results of sleep problems as such. You might not feel tired, even when your body is desperately needing more restful sleep-- but it still interferes with your daytime activities. You might think that they're related to other problems. I thought that my problems were the result of problems with diet, exercise, etc. In my case, these were contributing factors, but the sleep thing seems to be the biggest cause.

I highly recommend you-- and anybody else who has the slightest inkling that they may not be sleeping as well as they could-- read Dr. Dement's book.

...and you're complaining? (1)

Kevin Burtch (13372) | more than 10 years ago | (#9835849)


You know how much most geeks (including myself) would pay to be able to do what comes naturally to you?
If you're not tired, you probably don't need the sleep.

Even with megadoses of caffeine, I either get the shakes and am jumpy, or nothing happens and I'm still tired... I'd LOVE to be able to reduce my sleep down to a few hours - I'd have SO much more time for research, learning, working on my computers, etc.

As it is, if I get more than 8-1/2 hours of sleep, I'm groggy as hell and my muscles are all stiff and sore.
If I sleep less than 6 hours, I'm tired unless something very interesting has my attention (or I'm up and moving about).
If I get less than 4-1/2, I'm only about 60% there all day.

Man, I'm jealous!

Caffeine levels... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9836058)

It is worth noting that caffeine has a half life of 12 to 24 hours in the body (depending on the person) so even a cup of tea / coffee / coke in the morning can affect your sleep for that coming night, and perhaps even the ones after that.

You can get caffeine dependant though, so probably best to wean off the caffeine gradually, until you are on a level where you are satisfied with your sleep.

Babies work... have a child;) (1)

CokoBWare (584686) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836136)

My wife had our child 2 months ago, and it forced us to be more aware of the sleep we need to get to be available for our son. Screaming babies at 3 am require someone to at least be alseep for 3-4 hours at a time... Have a child... it will require you to be more responsible to be rested.

insomniac porn addict solution (1)

i621148 (728860) | more than 10 years ago | (#9836162)

text from ancient sleep manual
1:go have sex with someone/something.
2:wait for nature to kick in.
3:repeat cycle if needed :)
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