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FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the counting-down-the-days dept.

Upgrades 296

underpar writes "ZDNet UK is reporting that FreeBSD is nearing a code freeze. August 15th is the deadline which will be followed by the usual beta testing and a final release hoped for by October 1st. ZDNet interviewed the software engineer leading the release work, Scott Long, for the article. He says: 'The 5.3 release will be the first one where we see the real benefits of that. The multithreaded network stack will outperform everything we've done before, for running applications such as Apache or MySQL.' Status reports can be found on the FreeBSD website." I've been using the last technology release of FreeBSD for some time now, and am really looking forward to the 5.3 release, as well as the 5-STABLE branch that's rumored to follow soon after.

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Speaking of the horizon... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848635)

Observing that coders had found it difficult to distinguish in their software a rising sun from a setting sun, Benjamin Franklin once said: "I have often ... in the course of reading Slashdot ... looked at that sun behind FreeBSD without being able to tell whether it was rising or setting. But now at length I have the sadness to know it is a setting and not a rising sun. FreeBSD is dying."

That's right; Ben Franklin confirms FreeBSD is dying.

Re:Speaking of the horizon... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848840)

It's an open secret Netcraft just copies all their statistics out of the Farmer's Almanac.

WHAT???? (-1, Offtopic)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848638)

You mean it's not dead? Are you telling me that my fellow Slashdotters lied to me?

BULLOCKS!

LK

Re:WHAT???? (0, Offtopic)

daft_one (532587) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848666)

Are you sure you didn't mean "BOLLOCKS!"? I mean, unless "Miss Congeniality" was even worse than I've heard, "BULLOCKS" isn't really a known expletive.

Re:WHAT???? (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848689)

A "bullock" is a masculine cowlick...

Re:WHAT???? (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848746)

Sorry man, I'm an American. We don't use that one too often.

what do you mean (-1, Offtopic)

Tandoori Haggis (662404) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848639)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Guess I was too early.

WONDERFUL news! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848641)

Nothing starts a weekend right quite the way a wake does!

fp (-1, Troll)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848643)

GNAA Announces Interview wth Real Troll Talk
GNAA Announces Interview with Real Troll Talk

Osaka, Japan - In a worldwide first, GNAA founder and president timecop agreed to conduct an interview with Real Troll Talk, a Slashdot member documenting the ways and means of internet trolls worldwide.

Although meant to be a one on one interview, several GNAA members were present in the audience, and many "contributed" to the interview by shouting out points that timecop forgot and by calling him an asshole. "The interview went well," timecop said afterward, "I was very pleased with the interest in GNAA and the exposure we'll be getting through this. Real Troll Talk seemed to have an unhealthy obsession with the sexual aspects of GNAA, though."

GNAA member godspeed noted that "The interview was really good, and I have a strong feeling that Real Troll Talk may be a homosexual black man himself. You could say my gaynigdar was set off by that dude." Opened to other GNAA members for comment, vSKIZZILE was quick to add "HAHA FGTS! You are all gay, LOL @ WTC LOL @ JEWS!!!! FRIST POSTAGE FOR GNAA!"

A transcript of the interview is available in Real Troll Talk #6, available at Real Troll Talk's Slashdot journal [slashdot.org]

About Real Troll Talk:

Real Troll Talk is Slashdot member number 793436, and has been running a series of journal articles on internet trolling, seeming to take a particular interest in Slashdot [slashdot.org] and Kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] . You can find back issues of "Real Troll Talk" at Real Troll Talk's Journal [slashdot.org]


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Hey! Your neither gay, nor black! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848658)

I demand satisfaction!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848675)

G.N.A.A. FAILS IT!!!!

suck it motherfuckers!

Explain something! (4, Interesting)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848653)

Can someone please explain how FreeBSD goodies like updated 5.3 code would make it's way into Mac OS X? How long might it take, what bits, etc, have moved in past releases?

Re:Explain something! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848924)

Or, when will any of this code make its way into Microsoft's code base, which in turn, will then be patented?!?

Re:Explain something! (3, Insightful)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849130)

Patents which will have rock solid prior art and thus will be invalid -- I doubt Microsoft would waste the money. They've certainly used BSD source before, and had access for plenty longer; can you point to anything from there that they've already patented?

Re:Explain something! (2, Informative)

Hungus (585181) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848955)

Most likely you are looking at initial bits coming in to play around 10.4.3 and a switch to the freeBSD 5.X line sometime around 10.5 so for a timeline .. I would wager 9 months for the first bits and 2 years for many of the others. Remember Darwin is still based off og the 4.4 stable branch tools and apps slated for Darwin 8 (Tiger Core) include:
a bunch of things that slashdot's lame lameness filter wouldn't let me post after 3 tries so I am giving up
Note these are MINOR version numbers thus mysql 21 is actually 4.0.21

Re:Explain something! (1)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848995)


The only official and publicly released statement from Apple is here [apple.com] , which says that Tiger's upgraded kernel is based on "FreeBSD 5.x"; but maybe someone who's poked around the developer preview of 10.4 (or wouldn't mind anonymously breaking NDA) can give a more complete answer.

~jeff

Re:Explain something! (4, Informative)

Kyro (302315) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849055)

Well, 10.3 had bits of FreeBSD 5 in it according to Apple's page for it. [apple.com.au]

And according to the tiger preview page [apple.com.au] it's based on FreeBSD 5.x - so that would probably be 5.2.1.

GNAA Considers Legal Action Against Slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848655)

GNAA Considers Legal Action Against Slashdot
Lamar Latrell

The well known civil rights group Gay Nigger Association of America(GNAA) is considering legal action against alleged trolling group Slashdot. GNAA claims that Slashdot has been constantly trolling the GNAA website [www.gnaa.us] with racist comments, anti-gay sentiment, and other despicable behavior

Our call to the District Attorney's office revealed that GNAA isn't the only organization with a beef against Slashdot. District Attorney Tallbird had this to say, "Slashdot is actually a borderline terrorist organization and after the GNAA is done gutting it financially in civil court the government's case in a criminal court will probably be going ahead. We believe that Slashdot has been secretly divulging sensitive information to Axis of Evil countries through its mindless mass of utterly useless forums."

Among recent allegations against Slashdot is the enormous crapflood of GNAA.US throughout the month of June. Included in this crapflood were papparazzi photos [img60.exs.cx] of Will Wheaton [img60.exs.cx] in various homoerotic situations. Many gayniggers were enormously offended by the incredibly small size of Wheaton's [wilwheaton.org] Dong.

The self proclaimed Slashdot commander and extreme geek, CmdrTaco, responded from Camp Shane [campshane.com] , where he is spending this summer saying, "This is just another example of the Nigger's ongoing campaign to control the internet."He went on to say that our question had rudely interrupted his nice whale orgy with his gigantic wife who is also at the camp this summer. GNAA Chief Engineer, MrSchwul, had this to say about the impending lawsuit, "Hugely fat, white gayfags like CmdrTaco are relics of the past when things like slave pwnership was common practice. Everyone out there must recognize the huge battle we face when ridding the internet of garbage such as slashdot." Well known activist PenisBird had this to say, "ruin that rectum", possibly referring to the recent street riots involving huge groups of white-hooded slashdot users fighting masses of gayniggers, who are known for their special finishing move, rectum ruination. [www.goat.cx]

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
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If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.


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| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
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| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
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| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
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Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

How do they do the freeze? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848679)

Meat locker? Liquid Nitrogen? chmod -r 444 *?

Re:How do they do the freeze? (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848748)

Anyone who commits gets "iced"...

Java support? (-1, Troll)

markv242 (622209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848680)

I really want to switch back to FreeBSD, away from Red Hat. I really do. But until there's a native 1.4 JDK running on FreeBSD I can't. (No comments needed about the Linux compatibility mode, please. I know it sort of works. I also know it's hellishly slow.)

If Apple can provide a 1.4.2 JDK, certainly FreeBSD can as well. Please don't make me stick with Red Hat 9 of all things.

Re:Java support? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848709)

But until there's a native 1.4 JDK running on FreeBSD I can't.

Perhaps you never will, because you're evidently unable to read the release information and check the ports tree. JDK14 NATIVE is there, has been there, and works just dandy.

But don't let that fact stop you. Keep on holding out. We don't miss you. We don't need you. We don't want you. You contribute nothing.

Re:Java support? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848729)

Oh, yea another thing. Be sure to mod up the original clueless post to +3 insightful, and mod this FACTUAL post down to -1 flamebait, since it takes the idiot to task for being such a public moron. People, you gotta RTFM.

Re:Java support? (3, Informative)

markv242 (622209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848738)

Care to rephrase that? [freebsd.org]

"The JDK(TM) it produces is de facto compliant, but use in a production environment is still at your own risk."

But thanks for your words of encouragement. That "We don't want you" crack must make you feel really good.

Re:Java support? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848780)

It's Sun compliant, just like 1.3. What do you want? An insurance policy? It's fscking open source software for chrissake.

For the record, we use native 1.4 on 15 fbsd 4.10 boxen (using tomcat/freemarker) for production enterprise systems with 4K+ users slammin' the boxes each day. No problems so far.

But I suggest you keep waiting. We'll be sure to send you a certificate or 'notice of native compliance' or something. Juuuust keep waiting...

Re:Java support? (1)

markv242 (622209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848835)

"What do you want? An insurance policy?"

YES!

I want to be able to deploy a server on more than just faith. Five nines uptime is not something you can shoot for with a JDK that is deployable "at your own risk".

"For the record, [...] 4K+ users [...] each day [...]"

Let me know when your usage grows by three orders of magnitude. When you have problems at that point, then I will listen to you. Until then I'm forced to decide between a multitude of shitty Linux distributions, the godawful expensive Solaris, or Apple (?!). Like I said, I really want to go back to FreeBSD.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848865)

Five nines uptime is not something you can shoot for with a JDK

Sure you can. I have averaged 91.9999% uptime with that very JDK.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848887)

Keep using linux, kiddie. There ain't no insurance policy with open source. Moron.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848795)

The JDK(TM)

You have violated the use of my trademark sign, TM(TM). Please cease and desist.

Sincerely,
TM(TM)

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848798)

Ha ha.

Now he's back pedaling, and wants some
kinds of super-guarantee about Java,
instead of just working native build
that he didn't know about.

Re:Java support? (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848808)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of FreeBSD is like that. Take a look for yourself [freebsd.org] .

In fact, I have yet to see any software package that says it is guaranteed to work without problems, all the time, under all circumstances, without first paying *huge* support contracts and getting a guarantee from the software company.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848821)

Dude. Don't even try to dignify the guy's
crap by imagining it was about licensing or
a guarantee. He totally fucking didn't search
the ports tree.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848850)

While obviously flamebait, this is probably true. The original poster took care to distinguish the linux compat version of JDK 1.4, and cautioned readers not to remind him of its availability. One would suppose that he would also mention the native port, if he were aware of it at all. But mention of the native build is curiously absent from his original post.

I imagine this was a learning experience for markv242. But that's ok; that's what this forum is for. :)

Re:Java support? (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848815)

Use of most software in a production environment is generally always at your own risk anyway, unless you're paying lots and lots of money.

FreeBSD's JDK works, works well, and has for some time. Whether it meets your standards or not is up for debate, but you can certainly test it with the applications you need to run and see for yourself.

Not that I'm defending the tone of the grandparent post (though I did laugh a little). I'm a BSD user, and I don't care if you use it or not, but I'm not going to be a dick to actively dissuade you.

Re:Java support? (1)

markv242 (622209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848939)

You're absolutely right. However there's a difference between the developer claiming "usable for most tasks. However [...]" [eyesbeyond.com] and a developer claiming a version is a "Production" version [freebsd.org] .

I find it rather funny that most of the responses claim that I haven't looked at the ports tree. On the contrary, I have kept very close tabs on the advancement of Java under FreeBSD. Back when our app ran under 1.1.8, we happily deployed FreeBSD. I will be first in line to deploy it again when the 1.4 JDK is bumped up to production-ready.

Re:Java support? (1)

lewp (95638) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849092)

If you were keeping "very close tabs" you wouldn't be so caught up in word choice and would be able to say why (from a technical standpoint) the current Java version doesn't work for you.

Maybe you've been refreshing that page every few months, but I doubt you've been keeping close tabs on anything.

You're free to use whatever you want for whatever reason you want. No need to pull my leg.

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848966)

Care to rephrase that?

The same should be said of your original post, which failed to mention that you were somehow aware of the native build. You said you were not interested in the linux compat port, and failed to mentioned any problems with the existing, working native build. Now we are supposed to imagine that your original complaint was about licensing terms? Please, you expect us to be generous when reading your furtive, evasive messages, and then take someone else to task when they complain about your lack of research.

But thanks for your words of encouragement. That "We don't want you" crack must make you feel really good.

I think I see the real problem here. The AC post really got to you. He got into your head. He pushed your button, and you responded just like he wanted. Instead of absorbing the lesson, you decided to (a) return flamebait with flaimebait, and (b) evaded the issue by making a misleading (and frankly, I think, false ) statement that your original complaint was about licensing.

As you read these words, please don't let anger or judgment cloud your response. Think honestly and thoughtfully. You didn't know about the native port? That's fine. Some guy was an asshole in pointing it out? That's fine as well; there were a half dozen other polite posts that did the same. The lesson to learn is this: you need a thicker skin, and less of a tendency to resort to mendacious statements when you find that learning something new stings a little.

Re:Java support? (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848713)

Did you consider switching to Slackware from Red Hat?

Re:Java support? (4, Informative)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848718)

A native port is already there! /usr/ports/java/jdk-1.4.2

p.s. If you want a prebuilt binary of jdk-1.4.2, then complain to Sun. They're the ones that prohibit the distribution of Java packages for BSD.

Re:Java support? (1)

FireChipmunk (447917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848724)

Check out:
http://www.freebsd.org/java/install.html [freebsd.org]

Short Version:

cd /usr/ports/java/jdk14 make install clean
It has been available for quite some time. I don't know what you are thinking, but its very easy to get a native Java on FreeBSD...

Re:Java support? (1)

markv242 (622209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848783)

I've said it once before already, but the line "use in a production environment is still at your own risk" is a show-stopper. Call me overly paranoid, but as I am consistently shooting for highly available web applications, "at your own risk" is too much risk to deal with.

Native binaries, blessed by Sun, available on FreeBSD. Yes I know I should complain to Sun. Yes I know it isn't FreeBSD's fault. But would it kill the FreeBSD developers to try to work up a relationship with Sun?

Re:Java support? (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848859)

wow

2nd paragraph of the FreeBSD Java [freebsd.org] page

that was a tough one to find!

Re:Java support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849013)

All software is _always_ use in a production environment at your own risk... you don't read EULA's do you?

Re:Java support? (3, Funny)

dan_sdot (721837) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848730)

Please don't make me stick with Red Hat 9 of all things.
Ok, fine. I'll buy you a copy of Windows XP.

Insightful my eye. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848743)

Ok, first of all, linux compatability isn't any slower than running native binaries. Its just syscall translation, simple mapping of what linux syscalls the app is using corespond to what freebsd syscalls to do the same thing.

And you really can't blame FreeBSD for Sun having horrible license restrictions on java. If java were free it would already be ready for you. But because its not, there is a serious lack of people who are willing to sign away their life and ability to ever sue sun so that they can do the work of porting something they don't want anyways just for you.

Re:Insightful my eye. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848875)

Does FreeBSD have it's thread situation with Java sorted out yet? This was an OS problem, not a Java problem.

Re:Insightful my eye. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848907)

Yes, fixed. The guy who fixed it got 'the bit' as a reward.

Re:Java support? (3, Informative)

dru (4742) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848762)

relax$ uname -a
FreeBSD relax.domain.com 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 #4: Mon Mar 22 19:40:08 PST 2004 root@relax.domain.com:/local/freebsd/obj/local/fr eebsd/src/sys/RELAX
i386
relax$ /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java -version
java version "1.4.2-p6"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-p6-root_27_apr_2004_17_32)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-p6-root_27_apr_2004_17_32, mixed mode)
relax$ file /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/ bin/java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.0.2, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
Runs well enough on my machine to use NetBeans fairly extensively.

See also: http://www.freebsd.org/java/dists/14.html [freebsd.org]

Re:Java support? (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848833)

out of curiosity ... do you have an opteron you can try that on? =)

Re:Java support? (1)

dru (4742) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849024)

I wish. ;-)

Apache on FreeBSD (5, Informative)

FireChipmunk (447917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848684)

A patch I wrote for the CVS versions of Apache/APR to Add KQueue support has been added to the FreeBSD Port version of Apache.

Just make the port with "WITH_EXPERIMENTAL_PATCHES=1" and you can get a 10-25% boost in performance. (depends on your traffic patterns..)

Its a quick way to get more performance out of Apache on FreeBSD, without waiting for the 5-STABLE branch.

-Paul Querna

Re:Apache on FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848703)

Serious? I wrote a patch with similar performance gains too. Just compile with "UPGRADE_TO_FASTER_COMPUTER=1".

Re:Apache on FreeBSD (2, Funny)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848728)

I tried that but I got the "DON'T_LISTEN_TO_TROLLS" error.

More BSD goodness (4, Interesting)

Fux the Penguin (724045) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848691)

I got into FreeBSD about 6 months ago and have not looked back. I was frustrated with RedHat and heard good things about the BSDs.

I have been tempted to check out OpenBSD, because of the networking. This FreeBSD 5.3 status announcement mentions work being done integrating PF (updates?) and ALTQ (new to FreeBSD?)

I'm working towards a site-to-site VPN deployment (hubs and spokes, of course) and am debating FreeBSD vs. OpenBSD. IPSec, queueing and redundancy (dynamic routing, perhaps DBU, and something like CARP) are requirements. Managability is important. "Room for growth" (transparent proxies, accounting, file/print services) would be icing on the cake.

I figure it all could be made to work either way. Is FreeBSD's IPSec and firewall (IPFW/PF) as solid os OpenBSD? How about queueing? I'm a "seasoned newbee" on BSD... My experience is with the FreeBSD 5.x branch, but I'm not sure what all is changing with 5.3. I figure on diving into OpenBSD someday, it's just that time can be hard to come by.

Any advice out there? Am I giving anything up if I commit to Free vs. Open BSD?

Re:More BSD goodness (4, Interesting)

noselasd (594905) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848736)

Well, speed. OpenBSD is committed to secuity, not speed, and it
has many rather slow internal algorithms.

I'd suggest NetBSD. It too cares greatly about security, and imports
lots of fixes from OpenBSD. And it's slimmer than FreeBSD. Not to
mention solid. I've many times managed to make both OpenBSD and FreeBSD
go mickey, but have yet to crash NetBSD.

Re:More BSD goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848794)

No, openbsd is just as fast as netbsd, benchmark them yourself instead of spreading lies. And NetBSD is also less secure (I am tired of listing all the openbsd security stuff free/net don't have, look for yourself). The only reason to use NetBSD over OpenBSD is because you like it more, you find it easier to use, personal preference, etc. And quite frankly, that's really the best reason anyhow.

Re:More BSD goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848858)

Explain this then:
http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/
(without using fanboy rhetoric)

Re:More BSD goodness (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848890)

"OpenBSD 3.4". Gee, that's some tough explaining. That guy has hated openbsd since long before he put that out, he barely understands his own benchmarks as evidenced by the mmap() benchmark making no sense at all. And he refuses to redo the benchmarks since OpenBSD committed code to speed things up a couple weeks after that was released. Go install NetBSD and OpenBSD yourself, and run those exact benchmarks from that page, and you can prove for yourself that openbsd is just as "scalable". (speed already had very little to do with this, it was an issue of how high can things scale, not how fast can they be done).

Re:More BSD goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849149)

NetBSD is a very clean design. FreeBSD has become something of a mess, architecturally.

For reliability, NetBSD is best.

Re:More BSD goodness (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848773)

It depends which one you like more. OpenBSD has more security features, but quite frankly it might not matter to you for alot of things. FreeBSD has more software available, but again, that might not matter to you if you don't use that software anyhow.

Alot of knowledge you gain in one will apply to ther other, or at least help you figure out how to learn the equivilent. Really, try them both out for a while and use the one that you like best.

Re:More BSD goodness (1)

captnitro (160231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848823)

I like FreeBSD for the speed; additionally, OpenBSD has some usability "quirks" here and there, but nothing you can't get rid of with a little work. For the BSD vs. BSD showdown, remember that FreeBSD's fast IPsec stack (hardware accelerated) was taken from OpenBSD. I don't have data on how much else is from OpenBSD.

Here is IPsec setup on FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/h andbook/ipsec.html

Re:More BSD goodness (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848999)

If you will be implementing redundancy for your firewall/VPN/Edge Router, its hard to beat OpenBSD's CARP with PF. Personally I would never put any other free OS on a router/firewall then OBSD, but thats more to do with personal preference then anything else, OBSD has just worked really well for me.

Code freeze (0, Flamebait)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848694)

FreeBSD is nearing a code freeze.

Wow, it's been in the coroner's office for that long?

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Unfortunately it has at least one major bug. (2, Informative)

maunleon (172815) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848715)

Using samba, if you share Fat32 and write to it from the network, you end up with corrupted files.

I hope it has been fixed, but I somehow doubt it since it's been around for at least 2 years (earliest bug report was on 4.6RC) so it exists in -stable as well.

Multiple jail ips? (1)

hugo_pt (759790) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848721)

are we finally get 'em? :)

Hell's Frozen Over! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848726)

(Read Subject)

vinum_geom? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848744)

Anyone know if vinum_geom will be stable in time for 5.3-RELEASE? Or if there's a native GEOM raid solution? I'm personally looking forward to having a large GDBE encrypted RAID array.

Re:vinum_geom? (3, Insightful)

cperciva (102828) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848899)

Anyone know if vinum_geom will be stable in time for 5.3-RELEASE? Or if there's a native GEOM raid solution?

Quoth the status report:

Contact: Pawel Jakub Dawidek

I'm working on various GEOM classes. Some of them are already committed and ready for use (GATE, CONCAT, STRIPE, LABEL, NOP). The MIRROR class is finished in 90% and will be committed in very near future. Next I want to work on RAID3 and RAID5 implementations. Userland utility to control GEOM classes (geom(8)) is already in the tree.

snap! (5, Interesting)

captnitro (160231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848753)

The following has been brought to you by IANAT (I Am Not a Troll).

I've been using FreeBSD since long before it was apparently dying, since maybe the 2.x branch. I never tried Linux until this past year, because I live under a rock on the dark side of the moon.

I tried SuSE, and it was great and all -- the setup was really nice -- but it's not there yet. In fact, I backed over it with 5.2 immediately afterwards. Why? Well, for day-to-day use, I didn't see any difference between Linux and BSD -- except the cluttered /etc, the fact that YaST didn't like me seeing the cluttered /etc, and this nagging feeling that it was a system of patched together parts, rather than a well-tested, stable "distribution" (note: I'm knocking the distro, not the kernel, and only slightly).

When it came down to it, FreeBSD and a daily-updated ports tree seemed to "click together" better than Linux. For most other day-to-day use, there wasn't a huge difference, though I will say BSD was a tad 'snappier'.

I urge those who haven't tried FreeBSD before to give it a chance. It's not that hard, and it is not, contrary to popular opinion, "better for servers". I play UT2004 and America's Army daily on my BSD box with no problems (thank you native nvidia drivers). What causes most people to gawk after seeing Linux is the text-mode installation -- which is just text menus, but still menus. (I've seen some installation programs that can make you wonder.. OpenBSD, I'm talking to you.)

Last month I introduced FreeBSD to someone who had never, ever used *nix in any form before. After about an hour explaining different concepts (slices, ports and packages, rc.conf), she was off and running and actually, almost sadly, hasn't asked for my help once since then. She had X and KDE up and running within the day.

So give it a try. We have no evil plan. (Except that, yanno, our mascot is related to Satan)

Re:snap! (3, Funny)

underpar (792569) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848787)

See.. I'm about to install something on a very sad looking box sitting in the corner. I was thinking about Linux, but the cute little devil makes me think I should try FreeBSD. Is it wrong to choose an OS based on the mascot?

Re:snap! (5, Funny)

captnitro (160231) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848893)

Absolutely not. In fact, the mental image on my end is Tux, Clippy, and Daemon fighting it out.

Tux is gone; he's cute, but has no defensive weaponry. Furthermore, he can't even fly, all he can do is repeat the Futurama quote to himself --

Penguin: Full of fish?
Bender: Not entirely.
Penguin: Then let's fish.

So it's down to Clippy and BSD Daemon, and maybe that Apple and his friend Darwin the platypus in the corner who're both giving moral support, but they're setting off fireworks because they like eyecandy and have a short attention span.

Pretty much, the Daemon unwinds Clippy and uses him to open a stuck CD-ROM drive.

Re:snap! (1)

underpar (792569) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848957)

Bender: That's puffin talk!

Penguins do really well when they have guns and they are pretty cute. I'm sticking with Linux on my main machine. :)

Re:snap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848926)

I'll also have been using freebsd for a while(3.x branch). I agree with you that most Linux distros just don't have the same "togetherness/completeness" feeling that freebsd has. FreeBSD is my *nix of choice.

I've been running the 5.x branch on a variety of machine(even a sparc64 boxen) since 5.1 and have been very pleased with it. /em tips hat to freebsd crew.

I have recently started playing around with Gentoo and must say it is the best linux distro I have played with... hands down. Their emerge utility is very similar to the ports tree, /etc isn't cluttered and it has the overall feel of a completed OS. Give it a try sometime.

Re:snap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848975)

You may not be a Troll but you sure do walk and talk like one.

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848754)

It is official -- Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

My personal experience in the FreeBSD world (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848792)

I've been an avid follower of the developments in FreeBSD for around 5 years now, so my overview of the entire history of "glue that binds" FreeBSD together isn't complete. That said, I've come to be a bit disappointed at how events in the last 18 months or so seem to be pushing the project in a direction that has made things more difficult, instead of more successful, that has shown distain for experience and quality and made FreeBSD a platform for large ego's to push their personal projects down everyone's throat.

The statistics sample was a cheap attempt to minimize Matt's contribution to the project. The reason why he has been mostly silent is probably one of the most prominent signs of his superior maturity. The fact that the official defense (mostly fronted by Greg, atm) he wasn't such a substantial committer is crap, for the most part. If one wanted to go by the stats, Jeff Robertson (sorry if I munged the spelling) would be one of the key committers, and his UMA system isn't even entirely ripe yet, it's just been committed within the sample timeframe. That suddenly phk is at the top of the list, is simple a result of his newest attempt to add another large chunk of bit rot to the project that he can later claim not to have time to maintain "unless someone is willing to pay for my time" (like the atm bits, the half-finished devd monster, et.al.) One can hardly get him to look at his malloc bits, that put his name in lights at some point in the long past.

Matt didn't contribute because he was convinced that that the smp development direction that was chosen (my impression at least from the archives and my fading memory) was overly complex, too complex for the number and talent level of the contributers involved, and that it would delay a release from the -current branch significantly. So he was right. I'll almost bet that that was a constant sore for John, who still hasn't gotten his long-promised, but little delivered re-entrant work done, but he always had time enough to object to any other commits that might help along the way. Strangely Julian and Matt could work together. One might attribute certain commits to both Matt and Julian (if that would matter anyway, since -core is interested in proving the opposite statistically).

If the issue here had anything to do with IPFW, then you all better get out your C-coder hats and take a little more time to fix that rotting pile of muck that has been the standard broken packet filter interface for FreeBSD long past its possible usefulness. A packet filter with no central maintainer which is subject to once yearly random feature bloat through some wild university project from Luigi. The brokenness that Luigi introduced (and the repository bloat through backing out and recommitting, ad absurdum) was probably no less a threat to security than anything Matt did. If the security officer was to be blatantly honest with himself, ipfw would be marked broken for either a full audit or full removal (just port obsd's pf or something that someone actually actively _cares_ about).

You've alienated Jordan, Mike, Bill Paul (for all I can see), Greenman, you constantly rag on Terry, even though he's seen and done more with FreeBSD than most of you, O'Brien is on the verge of quitting (since he, like I, am not convinced that GEOM is anything more than an ego trip that will never be completely maintained or usefully documented). There are certainly others, too, that have attempted to make technically correct contributions, but didn't fit into the sort of paranoid "glee club" that core would like to have around them. You guys lack the talent to steer the positive from Matt into the project and let the crap fall by the wayside. I'm not saying Matt's rants are the most intelligent thing he's done, but he's sat by the wayside and watch the superstars beat up the code to a point where it's less stable, slower, and more bloated than it ever was. I, for one, can understand his frustration (as I can with Mike's, Jordan's, and a few others), although I find his method of expressing it extreme, I often wished he'd have just visited the offenders personally with a clue bat.

All in all, history will judge if -core has made the right decision. I personally believe it was a decision made in weakness. The loss the project as a whole will suffer is greater than the bruised ego's the -core has had to deal with in its communications with Matt. Matt was an extremist, but he put up or shut up. I wish I could say that for most of -core. This is a personality confict in a technical project. I'd say that most of you take this just as personally as Matt did, but instead of insulting him in a moment of anger, you shoot off your own respective feet, lose a good deal of experience and embarass the man publicly. You talk the talk of respect, but you aren't walking the walk. I'd say most of you need thicker skin. In the end, FreeBSD folk will walk smiling though the streets, but the project will become a cult of likeable people, instead of one that achieved technical excellence. That will, imho, be what history says of the current -core. Hint: lose the touchy-feely, hack the code.

PS: if I've offended anyone (yeah, I singled a few out), prove me wrong, but spare me your insultedness. It's become a pathetic hobby in -core.

Re: My personal experience in the FreeBSD world (0, Flamebait)

moonbender (547943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848930)

Jesus christ, what is this, some kind of soap opera?! :)

Code freeze? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848796)

FreeBSD is dead.

FreeBSD FAILS IT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848834)

It comes as no surprise that *BSD was soundly defeated in yet another benchmark. Everyone knows that ever hapless *BSD is hopelessly mired in a mortifying tangle of fatal trouble.

It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

Consider that because of the many troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

Every major marketing survey has shown that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are infinitesimally dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

How's the desktop responsiveness? (1)

weekendwarrior1980 (768311) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848857)

One factor that led me to switch back to Gentoo was the choppyness while working on the desktop environments. At that time I was using 5.1. So say if I was playing the audio/browsing/compiling etc, the computer would freeze for a moment.

Re:How's the desktop responsiveness? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849080)

It is very good.

I run 5.2.1 and it is grand.

Ok, so is fully end-user ready? (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848867)

Complete with multiple cds (cd 1, livecd/commercial, packages 1, packages 2) and everything; or are they still in beta?

Re:Ok, so is fully end-user ready? (3, Informative)

underpar (792569) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848908)

RTFA ;)

It won't be in beta until mid-August. The final release is expected in October.

You just read the headline didn't you?

Re:Ok, so is fully end-user ready? (3, Informative)

B747SP (179471) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848993)

RTFA ;)

ITYM ROFL! :-)

Yup, FreeBSD is fully userland ready, has been for, lets see, the last 6-8-ish years that I've been using it!

On the subject of RTFA, as the article says, 5.2.1-RELEASE is a little jumpy in some parts, and if you need solid stability, stick with 4.10-RELEASE for the time being.

I've used FreeBSD in production environments for years and years and years. Right now, I'm running 4.9-RELEASE and 4.10-RELEASE on production servers both at work and at home.

I'm tinkering with 5.2.1-RELEASE on a new Dell X300 laptop and a P4 desktop at the moment. They're both working pretty well, and surprisingly, I've got almost everything on the (very screwed up hardware-wise) X300 working! I have managed to break 5.2.1 several times, but it was mostly by doing really wacky things with the Project Evil code, upping and downing and kldloading and kldunloading different drivers on different interfaces with not enough kernel memory allocated for the bloated third party windows code!!!

Having said that, Project Evil is nothing short of a *GODSEND*, and Bill Paul is god! It's pretty amazing to be pinching windows NDIS drivers and compiling them into FreeBSD kernel modules - opens doors for all kinds of obscure hardware that couldn't be used before!

It's still too early for me to make any definitive comment on whether 5.x.x is good on desktops as yet, but if it's anything like the FreeBSDs that came before it, it will be nothing short of excellent when it hits -STABLE.

FreeBSD vs Linux - my findings (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848874)

FreeBSD vs Linux - The Definitive Comparison

Flamewars between FreeBSD and Linux advocates occur all the time, so it's often hard to make a judgement. Our 500-employee company recently decided to convert fully to Open Source software and OSes; I was put in charge of making the decisions. It boiled down to FreeBSD and Linux, and without letting any bias or emotions get in the way, I established the following criteria.

Performance

This is a complicated issue, so let's consider these three types of machine (in use at our company):

Single CPU server: FreeBSD just edged ahead of Linux on this one. The differences weren't drastic, but large enough - consequently, score 1 for FreeBSD here.

Multi CPU server: With kernel 2.6, Linux performed considerably better than both FreeBSD 4.9 and 5.2.1. The updated SMP code and revised scheduler have worked wonders here, so 1 for Linux.

Desktop: Linux 2.6 is much faster than either FreeBSD, particularly when the system is heavily loaded. Application start times are slightly better, while responsiveness is remarkably superior to FreeBSD. Another 1 for Linux.

Result: FreeBSD 1, Linux 2

Stability

Linux distributions vary greatly in terms of stability, with Mandrake Linux and Fedora Core aiming for bleeding-edge desktop features, while Slackware and Debian put great emphasis on stability. FreeBSD is indeed a reliable OS, but the smaller development and testing community puts it behind Linux - additionally, there are more full-time Linux developers working with commercial companies on hardware support and core component testing.

Our Debian and Slackware systems have never crashed or suffered any other major glitches in five years of use, and we know of other individuals and companies that can say the same. With the correct distribution selection, Linux systems are extremely reliable. The far greater amount of testing by the community and companies gives Linux a boost here.

Result: FreeBSD 0, Linux 1

Support

Ease of updating: Although a third-party binary updaing system exists, it's not yet part of the official FreeBSD system (and consequently, problems with trust occur). Current FreeBSD releases rely on manual CVS updating, patch applying, compilation and installation. Debian GNU/Linux, conversely, only needs a single command to update; this is a major win for Linux, as it saves a huge amount of time on a large number of machines. 1 to Linux.

Length of support: Each FreeBSD point release is only supported for 12 months. The Debian Project supports each of its releases for over two years, and other distros such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux are supported for five years. Although upgrading FreeBSD is fairly simple, the changes in userland tools and Ports means that extensive re-testing of home-grown apps needs to be made. A major win for Linux here.

Commercial support: FreeBSD is significantly weaker on this front, with Linux vendors offering a much greater range and variety of support contracts than are available for FreeBSD. 1 to Linux.

Result: FreeBSD 0, Linux 3

Hardware

Server: FreeBSD's driver range for server-class machines is very good, and the drivers themselves are robust and well-tested. Linux is strong on this front too, but FreeBSD just pips it to the post. 1 to FreeBSD.

Desktop: Linux far surpasses FreeBSD in terms of desktop hardware support, with a gigantic range of drivers and subsystems from both kernel developers and third parties. 1 to Linux.

Other platforms: Debian supports more architectures than FreeBSD, although the gap is narrowing. NetBSD supports even more, but that involves throwing another BSD variant into the mix - this causes problems. 1 to Linux.

Result: FreeBSD 1, Linux 2

Software

The commercial software range for Linux is growing at an astounding rate, and Debian's package repository contains more software than FreeBSD's Ports system. In terms of software availability, Linux is the clear winner.

Result: FreeBSD 0, Linux 1

CONCLUSION

Having considered the above factors, all of which are vitally important when implementing a new system in a company, we decided to go with Linux (primarily Debian for the reasons mentioned). While we have no doubt that FreeBSD is a solid and capable OS, Linux was simply a better choice: it's easier to update, supported for longer, works with a larger range of hardware and has more application choices available. Plus, it's enormously reliable and the 2.6 kernel brings some superb speed improvements. If you're thinking of deploying Open Source solutions in your company, hopefully this unbiased and detailed guide will help!

TOTAL: FreeBSD 2, Linux 9

Re:FreeBSD vs Linux - my findings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848968)

I have to disagree with the server level driver support for freeBSD being better that Linux.

WHAT ENTERPRISES X86 SERVER VENDOR CONSIDERS FREEBSD !!!

Come on .. tell me does Dell have PERC drivers for FREEBSD , does IBM have ServRAID drivers [updated ones] for Freebsd , how about qlogic fiber card support or 3ware , and the list goes on and on!!

Now Last i tested FREEBSD 5.x and Linux 2.6 I got about the same performance on a single processor system so I will leave that one score alone , because other factors of your test are unknown to me.

But please no more about FreeBSD Server support being better.

Flying with firearms on SouthWest Airlines (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848891)

I was flying to New Orleans, Louisiana from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Louisiana and Florida have reciprocity so I can carry guns while I'm there.

Get to Ft. Lauderdale airport early in the morning. Go up to Skycap and inform him that I'm declaring firearms in my checked baggage and tip him 5 bucks. He says to follow him inside since this has to be handled at the customer service counter. We proceed past about 40 people to the front of the line, saving me from at least a 1-hour wait!

Tell the agent behind the counter that I'm declaring firearms. She has me open the luggage and the locked firearms case to demonstrate they are unloaded. I clear my Glock 22, Glock 29 and Kel-Tec P32 for her. Ammo for said firearms is also inside in a hard plastic ammo case.

She fills out a tag and places it in the case. I close and lock the case, and zip up the luggage. She checks the baggage in. That's it.

The flight back from New Orleans was exactly the same. Tipped the Skycap 5 bucks and he marches me to the front of a very long line at customer service. Ran through the same drill. Same outcome. Extremely satisfied with SouthWest Airlines.

Moral of the story: The quickest way through an airport is to bring a gun!

...and 5 bucks.

Re:Flying with firearms on SouthWest Airlines (1)

Sjobeck (518934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848985)

Please stay on topic. Thanks very much. Peace.

Re:Flying with firearms on SouthWest Airlines (0, Offtopic)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849100)

That was on topic! You didn't think *BSD killed itself, did you?

Recent FreeBSD switcher (2, Insightful)

Teancom (13486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848942)

My debian machine lost it's harddrive recently, coincidently about one hour before I had to head out of town for the weekend. So I needed to install something on some random harddrive and get my email server backup, quickly. Well, all I had laying around was the 5.1 install cds that I had downloaded when they were announced on /., with the intention of trying out FreeBSD sometime in the nebulous future. So I installed FreeBSD for the first time ever, and have all my accounts added back, along with the various services I needed (named, smtp, and ssh) on and configured, in about 45 minutes. That included going through the install with no documentation at all (my internet connection was also routed through the debian box). That was very impressive, to me at least. Now, granted, after I got back I spent every night for a week dinking around figuring out how things are different, switching from sendmail to postfix, upgrading from 5.1 to 5.2.1, adding ext2 support to copy over all my data, setting up X and sound, setting up support for my Zire 72, and playing around with ports until it became second nature.

So, my thoughts having been on FreeBSD for a couple months? Honestly, I dunno. I haven't noticed any speed difference at all, despite many a BSDer's claim to the contrary (this is a 750Mhz Duron with 1.25GB ram). I had to switch out my soundcard (Envy24-based Chaintech for an SB64 I had laying around) because it wasn't supported. The support for my Zire seems to be much nicer (I've always had problems in Linux with USB-based Palms, and tools like KPilot). I really like the init system, and /etc/rc.conf is nice (once you figure out what's supposed to be in there). It's a bit of a pain when trying to run various things (like nagios), where scripts and whatnot are written for Linux and break subtly (or completely) on FreeBSD. However, that's generally a one-line fix of some sort (change an argument passed to ps or nslookup, for instance), so it's not a huge deal. I've never liked Gentoo, and doing a 'portupgrade -a' makes me long for 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. I really like the kernel configuration, it works like a champ. I've recompiled my kernel probably six or seven times (chasing various hardware and software settings), and I've never had a single thing go wrong. I really wish it supported my APC usb-based UPS, but it doesn't.

In summary, when I change hardware in the near future, I'll probably end up putting debian back on. The expanded hardware support, removal of all those little 'bumps' in making software work correctly, and ease and quickness of upgrading and installing software make debian win out. However, if it wasn't for Debian, FreeBSD would be my choice. I use (and administer) Redhat WS3 at work, and I'll take BSD over it any day of the week :-)

Of course, my ideal setup would be a G5 with OSX as my desktop, and OpenBSD on my server. That would be kinda doable if I still had seperate computers for workstation and server (Linux as desktop, OpenBSD on server), but the ever decreasing pool of working hardware forced me down to one. And I'm not masochistic enough to run OpenBSD on the desktop...

Re:Recent FreeBSD switcher (1)

erik_norgaard (692400) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849071)

I started on RedHat years ago. For a long time I didn't know better. It's a mess you allways end up installing third party rpm's.

I have tried Debian, but it is hopelessly obsolete. I spent a whole day figuring out a bug in a perl module only to discover that the latest stable was years old.

Gentoo just doesn't really do it. They tried to get the best from FreeBSD, with portage, tried to do more. Different. It's a revolution for Linux maintenance, but it just doesn't compare to *BSD.

Then I swiched to FreeBSD 1.5 year ago. The only left of my original RedHat is bashrc. I have never had so much time actually doing stuff.

Something to ponder (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848948)

The way I see it, FreeBSD is in terminal decay.

Shhhh. Don't tell anyone but FreeBSD is D E A D

Ponder that, big guy.

Re:see netcraft's recent surveys (1)

Sjobeck (518934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848978)

Au contraire ... please see Netcraft's recent results, major companies, with some of the best uptimes on the planet, are not only using it, but more and more so all the time. What with Apple helping out, it is going no where but forward.

FreeBSD Daemon (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9848952)

I just know I'm going to get flamed for this or at the very least modded down, but it has to be said.

I've heard and read absolutely fantastic things about FreeBSD. It looks like a nice stable platform to learn and test UNIX. However, I have one major problem with FreeBSD - its mascot.

As a life-long practicing Christian, active in my local church, with many practicing Christian friends, I just can not in good conscience use an operating system that uses an image of Satan as its mascot. Not only does it represent the source of evil, but if my family and/or friends were to catch wind of my using anything that uses an image of the Devil to represent itself with, I'd be at the center of controversy, if not out-right ostracized.

For the sake of myself and other good Christians and other religious believers, I hope that someday the FreeBSD Foundation chooses a new mascot, one that isn't offensive to hundreds of millions of potential users. However, until then, I suppose I'll have to stick with Microsoft Windows. Pity.

Re:FreeBSD Daemon (1)

Sjobeck (518934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9848970)

NEver understood why being a christian meant being tragically narrow minded. I am not trying to be inflamatory. I read your sincere comment. I hear you. But, really, are you serious, your religion is so fragile it cant handle an icon, a cartoon one at that. You need a new religion. If your friends & family ostracize you for using a superior piece of software because of a cartoon, you need new friends. These are just the comments of one humble reader. Live your life as a good honest person with integrity and ignore the rest, there is not time to waste on it. Good luck.

YHBT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849084)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

FreeBSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849017)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save *BSD at this point in time. For all practical purposes, FreeBSD is dead.

Fact: FreeBSD is dying

Windows Network Driver Compatibility! (4, Informative)

dokebi (624663) | more than 10 years ago | (#9849102)

From the article

FreeBSD 5.2[3] will also introduce a software layer that lets Windows network drivers work with FreeBSD. This layer, dubbed Project Evil, means that wired and wireless network cards should be able to work with FreeBSD even if the manufacturers have not written any drivers for the operating system.

This is totally awesome! FreeBSD network drivers are very reliable, but hard to come by for very new devices (eg. wifi). I would totally use this feature even with some reliability sacrifice.

Analysis of the 5.3 codebase at Ars Technica (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9849134)

The analysis [arstechnica.com] reveals that this moribund operating system, in the throes of a long, agonizing death since approximately 1990, is only weeks away from death.

Why? Because FreeBSD is stealing code from Linux and the FreeBSD project will soon be named as a defendant in a lawsuit filed by the Free Software Foundation [gnu.org] .

It comes as a shock to the entire Open Source community that the FreeBSD developers would resort to such measures, but, faced with the imment demise and subsequent rigor mortis of their labor of love, they have been driven to outright theft.

At this point, it's only a matter of weeks. This embattled, dying OS will soon be only a memory kept alive by tinkering hackers--as well as in the annals of shameful history, to be studied as an example of "what not to do" by software engineers and law students alike.
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