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Sun Pondering Buying Novell

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago

Linux Business 400

Krafty Koder writes "ZDNet are reporting that Sun are considering purchasing Novell and thus gain SUSE Linux. 'With our balance sheet, we're considering all our options,' Sun chief operating officer Jonathan Schwartz said in an interview on Sunday regarding the possibility of acquiring Novell. 'What would owning the operating system on which IBM is dependent be worth? History would suggest we look to Microsoft for comparisons,' he said."

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Oh No.... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862589)

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Re:Poll: WHICH IS BETTER (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862794)

Dude, shut up and get some better women please, these are old and boring even for the /. crowd.

It is just that no one else wants to say anything.

Re:Oh No.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862619)

God yes, we can only hope!

Mod up Parent (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862648)

I think it's a very interesting question as to what would happen to Mono if Sun bought Novell. Since Java and .Net are direct competitors, it seems highly unlikely that Sun would allow Miguel to continue the Mono project under Sun's employ.

Re:Mod up Parent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862682)

But it would give that dunce Miguel the free time to get that job at Microsoft he's always wanted.

Assuming he isn't getting paid in some way by them already...

Re:Mod up Parent (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862721)

So Miguel is heading up a project which could potentially make Linux able to run all future Microsoft software -- and that makes him the enemy? How is giving people an exit strategy from Microsoft vendor lock-in a bad thing?

Re:Mod up Parent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862753)

Mono increase vendor lock-in considerably. Microsoft controls most of .NET by being the single largest provider of it. Novell will have to follow the whims of Microsoft. That sounds like lock-in to me.

Mono would be as good as dead (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862689)

From the article:

Schwartz said Novell's non-SuSE products are "far less interesting."

Re:Mono would be as good as dead (2, Insightful)

vrai (521708) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862723)

So it's not all bad news then!

horay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862592)

I for one welcome our new Linux: Sun Pondering Buying Novell overlords!!!

Teh CSLib frist psot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862593)

frist psot for teh menac3!

deathmatch on terror, it's a PvP challenge

Also, SUN buying MICROSOFT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862595)

Also, SUN buying MICROSOFT

Hey, why not. It makes about as much sense, and is about as likely to happen.

This sounds like a big "Look at the wookie!" trick.

it's always a bad sign... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862598)

...when one dying company buys another dying company...

Syn a bad idea (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862602)

Novell looks like a perfect Linux company, they are bringing all their old netware stuff over to the open source side, and seem eager to play fair.

Sun? A dying company that will probably flip flop a thousand times on every issue.

PLEASE don't let this happen.

Good Riddence... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862606)

Novell and Sun are almost both bankrupt..

I see the death of both of them in 2006. Unless things turn quick.

They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (3, Informative)

rsidd (6328) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862607)

if they think this purchase will let them "own" linux

Re:They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862698)

And you're in for an unpleasant surprise if you think your post will affect the price of gas.

Re:They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (5, Funny)

OverwhelmingAmoeba (612180) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862739)

They have to buy SCO in order to do that!

Re:They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862747)

Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?

Re:They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862760)

No, but Novell most likely does have the copyrights/patents that are involved with Linux. It is possible that Sun would give them to SCO since it is almost certain that SCO has no real case at this point.

Re:They're in for an unpleasant surprise... (1)

Mant (578427) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862778)

Novell can't have copyrights or patents involved with Linux. Under the GPL you can't release code with such things, and Novell release Linux under the GPL.

They won't own Linux but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862796)

IBM has made a consious desision not to have a distro of their own. They depend on commercial distros to provide the platform that runs their hardware and software.

IBM is deeply in bed with both RedHat and SUSE. As with any multi-vendor deal, IBM plays them off each other to make sure neither demand too much.

A hostile SUSE wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would cost IBM significant money and (more importantly) time.

OTOH. Jonathan Schwartz's comment compareing the situation to Microsoft explains a lot about why Sun has pissed away its market position. Their officers are obviously delusional.

"Owning the operating system"? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862610)

"What would owning the operating system on which IBM is dependent be worth? History would suggest we look to Microsoft for comparisons," he said.

In other news, Sun still doesn't get it.

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (3, Insightful)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862703)

This is just more FUD. Almost every week it seems.

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (3, Insightful)

deego (587575) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862725)

> In other news, Sun still doesn't get it.

Yep, remember these are the same guys that helped fund SCO's FUD... and "saw problems" with "IP" aspects of Linux...

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862795)

Yep, remember these are the same guys that helped fund SCO's FUD... and "saw problems" with "IP" aspects of Linux...

No, they didn't "see" any problems with Linux IP. They said they had complete, perpetual, and air-tight licenses for Unix that would allow them to easily indemnify their customers against any attack from "Unix IP holders". Sun long ago made sure to cover their bases on Unix IP, so SCO would literally not be able to get past a preliminary hearing if they were to sue Sun.

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862730)

SUSE isn't all of Linux. There's still Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian, even Linspire. Sounds like they were going for theatrics.

The Enterprise (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862773)

In the Enterprise sector, there are only really two players: RedHat and SUSE.

That's where the money is, baby.

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (5, Insightful)

Shisha (145964) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862732)

Indeed I can't believe that they still haven't figured out that since GNU/Linux is GPL based, owning SuSe does not mean that IBM can't start supporting other Linux distributor and give it enterprise level abilities. Heck, even YaST is now GPL, which means that Sun would essentially only get the SuSe brand, nothing else.

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (3, Funny)

killjoe (766577) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862736)

Just exactly how stupid do you have to be to become a CEO these days anyway. More importantly how come somebody who is that stupid, that clueless gets paid tens of millions dollars per year.

Can I become a CEO if I take a lot of acid and forget everything I know or do you just have to do a lot of coke?

Re:"Owning the operating system"? (4, Insightful)

Cajal (154122) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862746)

Not really. This isn't about owning Linux, per se. It's about owning the distro IBM is using. There are only a handful of viable commercial Linux distros out there, essentially RedHat and SuSE. Those are two most popular, and commercial apps are almost exclusively certified for those two. If IBM is moving away from RedHat (due to their licensing and pricing games), and Sun owns SuSE, then that leaves Sun in a pretty good position.

Yeah, you could just say "just use Debian/Gentoo/whatever," but if Oracle & co. only run (certified) on RH and SuSE, you're out of luck.

Am I the only one? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862616)

Am I the only person who would prefer Sun to stay out of the Linux business? I've always gotten this impression that their are a bunch of sniffling cunts who try to play catch up unfairly.

Re:Am I the only one? (-1, Redundant)

DaHat (247651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862731)

play catch up unfairly

And that means?

But you don't own it. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862620)

What would owning the operating system on which IBM is dependent be worth? History would suggest we look to Microsoft for comparisons

But with Linux, ya don't really own it. That's the whole point. Thank you GPL.

I knew things were becoming too good (2, Insightful)

clickster (669168) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862621)

So much for all of the advancements Novell was starting to make with Linux. Sun will probably bury it.

Re:I knew things were becoming too good (4, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862664)

No, they will just shove "JAVA!!" into everything, even where it is not needed or wanted. I've really liked where Novell has started taking suse, ximian, and netware, so I'll be pretty sad if sun does buy them...

Re:I knew things were becoming too good (2, Insightful)

dekemoose (699264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862810)

I don't think that Sun will bury it on purpose, but they will get buried when Sun completes the crash and burn cycle. With their current strategy I think that Novell has got a chance at regrouping and doing some cool stuff. I don't think that Sun will effectively use the assets they would acquire with a purchase of Novell and they would take them to the grave.

IBM isn't dependent on Suse (5, Insightful)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862623)

Schwartz is retarded. I doubt IBM would let themselves be dependent on Sun in the same way they were dependent on Microsoft in the 80s. If Sun bought Novell to get Suse to have leverage on IBM, IBM could just switch to another distro, or roll their own, or whatever. That's the whole freaking point behind IBM moving from proprietary Unix to Linux on the server.

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (4, Interesting)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862672)

Schwartz is retarded. I doubt IBM would let themselves be dependent on Sun in the same way they were dependent on Microsoft in the 80s. If Sun bought Novell to get Suse to have leverage on IBM, IBM could just switch to another distro, or roll their own, or whatever. That's the whole freaking point behind IBM moving from proprietary Unix to Linux on the server.

Or IBM could just keep on selling their hardware with SuSE and keep on developing it themselves, regardless of what Sun wants or thinks it wants. Makes no difference when it's all GPL.

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (2, Informative)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862763)

"Or IBM could just keep on selling their hardware with SuSE and keep on developing it themselves, regardless of what Sun wants or thinks it wants. Makes no difference when it's all GPL."

Well, not all of SuSE's tools are GPL. I know that YaST for example wasn't for a long time. I've heard ramblings that YaST will be open sourced, but if there are any other tools then IBM would have to develop their own replacements for them. Not that I believe that's out of their abilities in the slightest, but the advantage that IBM has of getting Linux from another party who is active in the whole scene is that IBM doesn't have to pay quite as much attention as they would have if they did it all in house, and they don't have to maintain a system for non-paying distribution users to report back bugs and development issues, leaving that currently to SuSE.

IBM would probably be better off looking to another distribution if SuSE were damaged in some way. It'd be easier and a lot better for long term development.

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (5, Insightful)

sunilonline (609351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862678)

Or IBM could buy Sun...

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (2, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862719)

In the end, that may be Sun's only hope anyway...

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862789)

More likely, they will buy Novell. Novell would prefer being an independant IBM Subsideriary, then a sun subsidiary (Think Netscape, or the amd server box) that was simply phased out and everybody fired.

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (2, Interesting)

njcoder (657816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862755)

"Schwartz is retarded. I doubt IBM would let themselves be dependent on Sun in the same way they were dependent on Microsoft in the 80s."

Yeah, just like IBM isn't dependant on Sun for Java... oh wait.

Re:IBM isn't dependent on Suse (2, Insightful)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862815)

I think he's very bitter towards IBM in particular. Check out his web blog entry [sun.com] on this matter..

Perhaps this will immunize sun (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862626)

... against the continual chorus of /.-ers who say that sun is dead. If they own a major linux distro, then surely slashdot posters cannot be all doom and gloom about this company that (a) commercialized bsd linux (b) lead innovation in all areas of computing: clustering, high availability, chip fab, OS, compilers, etc., (c) fscking invented one of the most popular computer languages ever, (d) is known for considerable charitable works, the community-oriented nature of its work force, and for being a responsible corporate citizen. Maybe, just maybe, owning a linux distro would stop the slashdot "sun is dead/dying" festival.

What the hell was I thinking? Of course /. will continue to wallow in 14-year-old flame fests.

Re:Perhaps this will immunize sun (3, Interesting)

tm2b (42473) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862764)

You know, you could say all of the same sorts of things about DEC before their self-destruction.

Sun's toast. Somebody will eventually acquire their dried husk, but as an industry leader it's passed its prime and hasn't done anything revolutionary in years.

NOooooooo (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862628)

Bad bad bad idea.
I will be very sad if all the linux technology that Novell has bought and organized ends up being just part of SUN's protfolio.

I just see sun as trying to use linux in selfish kind of way, not help or foster it. They're still to much of an old-school-IBM type corportation to me I guess.

IBM, bidding (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862630)

My guess would be that IBM might want to put in a bid of their own should push come to shove....

Ironic (5, Insightful)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862632)

I find it ironic that IBM invested $50 million in Novell so they could outbid Sun, and now Sun are looking to buy Novell..

Also, I'm worried about the rate at which tech corporations are swallowing up other companies... We seem to have lost many medium sized companies (suse, ximian, etc) as well as some huge ones (compaq).

Groklaw analysis (4, Interesting)

Carl (12719) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862633)

On Groklaw PJ already has an analysis of the "news" [groklaw.net] :
I have it figured out, I think. Sun's Jonathan Schwartz is jealous of Darl McBride. *He* yearns to be the most hated man in tech. But no matter how many awful things he says, he's still just the runner up. Actually, no one bothers to hate either of them, but it'd be easy, if we weren't so nice here on the good guy side.

Re:Groklaw analysis (1)

Usagi_yo (648836) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862766)

This was modded as interesting?

Hardly. PJ and Groklaw's SUN bashing has riviled even /..

Re:Groklaw analysis (0)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862800)

Remember a couple of weeks ago when a NYT article on spam quoted a guy named "McBride" and the Slashbots were complaining that it was culturally insensitive to expose them to that name? That's the same sense of proportion on display here, with the addition of Miss Groklaw's sniffing about how she can't be bothered to pay much attention to, you know, the objects of her obsessions.

My impression is that Schwartz is just a hype machine. If they do buy Novell, maybe de Icaza could be moved to Schwartz's office -- they seem to work on the same wavelength.

Re:Groklaw analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862801)

What happened to Groklaw? That entire article is just a mouthfoaming anti-Sun, anti-Microsoft, anti-Patent rant. I doubt it would get above 3 if it was posted on /.

Great Wonderfull as if Sun hasn't changed it's (4, Insightful)

sir lox elroy (735636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862638)

mind enough about Linux, now they want to own a company devoted to Linux, then tommorrow they will probably want to sell it. The other funny part is they very rarely mention that the Java desktop or their new desktop runs on Linux.

Re:Great Wonderfull as if Sun hasn't changed it's (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862676)

of course they don't mention linux, and they won't even if they buy Novell.
it's the JavaOS! *puke*

Re:Great Wonderfull as if Sun hasn't changed it's (1)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862805)

QUOTE " of course they don't mention linux, and they won't even if they buy Novell.
it's the JavaOS! *puke*"

Saying Java is good because it's compatible with all OS's is like saying anal sex is good because it's compatible with all genders.

how about worthless (2)

bman08 (239376) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862645)

What are they going to do, put the sqeeze on IBM by owning SUSE? With YAST GPL'd now, exactly how far would that get them? It doesn't seem to me that suse really has any commodity components left that are all that worth controlling. The actual novell stuff might be better, but suse doesn't seem worth it.

Re:how about worthless (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862669)

How about SUSE Enterprise Linux? That seems to be what Sun cares about-- and is SUSE's moneymaker. It is probably why Novell bought SUSE, and IBM has an interest in propping up SUSE against RedHat Enterprise Linux.

SUNW: 2 billion in cash / NOVL : 3 billion cap (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862654)

Sun has 2 billion in cash and Novell is priced at 3 billion. Looks risky burning your cash reserves. I'm not sure Novell provides the "synergy" that could sparc a Sun revival.

Secret is Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862720)

Sun has a lot more cash now that MSFT has given them 2 billion smackerooos.

Microsoft again comes off the winner. Sun is going to mismange SUSE even more than Novell. and Novell is the king of mismanagement historically.

w00t! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862660)

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Re:w00t! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862714)

Does it run on Netware?

Just another bit of proof... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862663)

... that Sun is the biggest wannabe in the business. And as I say "wannabe", I mean "wanna be the Devil."

So..... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862665)

IBM changes to another distribution... or funnier yet beats SUN to the SUSE acquisition, or, wait for it,....lets SUN buy SUSE, then buys SUN. Caan't you just picture those IBM branded SUN blades?

Re:So..... (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862822)

and that is exactly what McNealy would like. A way to profit for himself.

Market speak (4, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862671)

'What would owning the operating system on which IBM is dependent be worth? History would suggest we look to Microsoft for comparisons,'

Translation: "Look Wall Street and market analysts, we're going to soon own something of value, as far as you know! Please change your rating of us from "Wipe your ass with the stock certificates" to "Eh, keep em around, you never know"!

The Sun is Setting (5, Insightful)

downix (84795) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862688)

If Sun makes this move, it could be the worst mistake they've ever made. First off, they do not seem to grasp the nature of the Linux desktop, or any desktop for that matter. Second off, they seem to have this idea that IBM *needs* Novell, when in fact it is the other way around. If Sun comes in, and tries to pull a Microsoft-like bullying technique, I have a strong feeling that IBM will be pulling the plug and switching to another distribution, such as Red Hat, Mandrake, or even developing its own distribution. Sun has not woken up to the new marget reality, and their revenue shortfalls show that. Sun, don't make a billion dollar mistake, just say "no" to aquiring Novell.

Linux Desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862706)

They don't seem to care about Novell's Linux Desktop offerings-- they want SUSE Enterprise Linux's strength on the server side.

Does any one smell.... (4, Interesting)

parryFromIndia (687708) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862696)

.... Microsoft's hand in this? (Remember the $2b?) Probably MS has confidence - that Sun will not fall short of burying itself along with Novell, Linux and Ximian. That gets rid of the competition to Windows on the Server and desktop both. Much like what happened with Crapaq buying DEC and then HP buying both to kill the Alpha and use it's bones for Itanium - Thus paving the way for Intel to succeed in 64 bit market?! It's another story that AMD hit the right chord as far as 64bit market goes, and that too without any of this politics.

Re:Does any one smell.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862771)

I guess that you are right on the mark. The algoritm is as follows:

1) Plant a drone in a respected UNIX company

2) Arrange for a money infusion

3) Let loose drone on the competition (e.g. Linux, IBM, ...)

Much like SCO isn't it?

speaking of big news (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862707)

I guess the honeymoon between M$ and Unisys is over...
http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/news_a_events/ 08028430.htm [unisys.com]

Re:speaking of big news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862748)

Interesting.

However. Unisys is dying.

Suse is just one (2)

phunster (701222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862711)

of several distros that IBM uses. If he really believes that buying Novel would make IBM dependant on SUN, then there is a lot more wrong at Sun than first glance would suggest.

Missing part - Mono (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862716)

Umm.. Why nobody does not talk about Mono. Sun's biggest strenght is Java. And right now it is being under thread by Mono. So they wan't to buy Novell to get rid of Mono. If so, let's hope Mono community is as strong as Mozilla community.

Why with the current patent mess? (1)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862722)

Why would Sun open themselves up to such patent liabilities by acquiring a software company that has invested so much in Linux? According to the Open Source Risk Management corporation (who groklaw.net cofounder and linux evangelist Pamela Jones is an executive), Linux may infringe on as many as 283 patents! See here for more info:

http://news.com.com/Group%3A+Linux+potentially+i nf ringes+283+patents/2100-7344_3-5291403.html?tag=ne fd.top

I wonder (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862724)

I wonder if this will happen. I can't help thinking it would be an interesting move for Sun. Mono represents at least a moderate threat to Java/J2EE on non-windows platforms and is sponsored by Novell so Sun could be thinking of trying to bury that and would acquire a good corporate Linux distro in the process rather than trying to build up their own (which is not all that easy). I suspect, though, that they're trying to hold MONO back with a nice bit of FUD of their own.

Despite the regular bashing that Sun gets on /. I'm a moderate fan of the company. They've been pretty generous in terms of open source donations (Tomcat, which rocks, and Open Office, which is kind of dull but works spring to mind). I also admire them for trying to do something different where they don't feel (rightly or wrongly) that open source is an option. In the case of Java the source code is available for download, the bug parade is available for public review, and the JCP allows individuals as well as corporates to have an influence on the direction Java/J2EE heads in (and its perfectly possible to fix bugs in the Java source code and have them rolled in to the release - I know because I've done it), I find it hard to imagine IBM or Microsoft or many other proprietary vendors, being so open with their code. (ducks for cover)

Sun and M$ (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862727)

Wasn't too long ago I heard of some green handshake between two companies.

(puts on tin foil hat)

Will SuSE disappear like Corel Linux only to reappear as something new later on, or vanish completely?

It seems like whenever a certain Linux distro becomes too "well known" something happens to it.

I smell M$. Flame away, but this smells fishy.

Re:Sun and M$ (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862813)

I don't thin SuSE itself is what's at stake here. The money in linux seems to be intelligent people consulting to help companies deploy it.

Last week it was cray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862742)

Last week the rumor was they were considering cray.. I wonder if there's ever any truth to any of these.

Doesn't anyone proofread these submissions? (0, Offtopic)

Warpedcow (180300) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862749)

"ZDNet are" and "Sun are"??? ZDNet and Sun are singular nouns. It should read as "ZDNet is" and "Sun is". Sheesh. The headline of the linked article is "Sun wants to buy Novell" which correctly uses "Sun" as a singular noun. (Think "he wants" vs "they want"). Saying "ZDNet are" or "Sun are" is like saying "he are". That's just inane. Anyway, can we get some proofreaders on the staff?

Sun Trying to Get Bought? (1)

grunt107 (739510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862762)

Could this be a ploy for Sun to merge w/IBM? Although seemingly far-fetched, if Sun buys Novell to get SuSE (and the Ximian products) and IBM sees this as a threat to their Linux offerings, IBM could attempt a 'merger' (see Daimler-Chrysler). Then IBM would have a large portfolio of Linux products.

Too much of a shift to grok (2, Insightful)

nonmaskable (452595) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862770)

I sometimes think that the interaction of Linux and the GPL is lost on Sun.

They persist in talking about RedHat as if they could execute predatory behavior like Microsoft does. RedHat can try, but at some point the market will kick in and limit what they can get away with because customers will always have a choice (White Box, SuSE, etc.) and thus always have some leverage with RedHat. It's just a question of at what pricing pain point it will happen.

Get in on Sun on the ground floor! (1)

straponego (521991) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862775)

...just wait a couple of years!

Good to see Sun still makes its business decisions based on what might hurt other companies rather than what's good for Sun. I just hope nobody tells them about the GPL before they make the one of the most laughable mistakes of the century. Oh, and how does "owning" SuSE Linux equate to a boost for Solaris on PPC? The source is available under the GPL if you're curious... unless they plan to encourage adoption of Solaris by knifing a Linux distro.

Anyway, Sun, why bother? Why not wait another couple of years, and then let Novell buy you?

In conclusion: Assclowns.

Dear diary (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862780)

Dear diary,

At the friday drink someone suggested buying into Linux in a big way so we can direct it down a path we want. It seemed very logical when we were drunk but now that I'm back at work trying to make a report of the pro's and con's, the bright possibilities seem rather blurry, if not illogical. But how to phrase it so that the rest of the corporation can see the pitfalls? Wait I'l just leak it to slashd....a forum and use their comments as arguments and counter arguments.

-- Jonathan Schwartz

horrible for linux (2, Interesting)

Sivaram_Velauthapill (693619) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862781)

All I can say is that this will be horrible for SuSe linux. Sun has been mismanaged "everything" they touched for a while and I don't think they will improve linux in any manner.

Sun is dying a slow death and this might be their last try, which might end up taking down SuSE linux with it...

Novell==Mismanagement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862825)

Novell has mismanaged things *way* worse than Sun has. They took WordPerfect, which was the #4 largest Software supplier when they bought it, and mismanaged it to death.

Next, Sun Ponders Buying Brooklyn Bridge (2, Insightful)

avgjoe62 (558860) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862785)

This will never happen. Even if Novell didn't make it impossible for Sun, IBM could easily outbid Sun. I think they have learned their lesson from Microsoft and DOS, but obviously Sun hasn't. Just because Sun buys one distro doesn't mean that IBM coldn't roll their own.

The whole idea of Sun buying Novell for their Linux distro is absurd. There are otehr, cheaper distros or Sun could roll their own much more cheaply and effectively for their own hardware.

This is nothing more than business plan testing by public opinion.

They'll fsck it up ... (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862788)

Just like they did Cobalt. The business will go great for three or four years, and then they'll fold it into Solaris, or kill it or something.

I just don't trust Sun to let well enough alone.

Isn't it time (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862790)

for vendors to start *officially* supporting Debian again. HP used to, until the Compaq merger and Bruce Perens left.

After having it done to them by M$ (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862791)

... as if dragging their feet on the whole idea in the first place it seems as if Sun now want to take the rising star under its wings and smother it to death too.

I for one dont think SUN has Linux's best interest at heart. As far as I have notice so far sun seems intent on adopting only to then prove how much better their Solaris is.

Look at how many times they change their position on open sourcing Solaris ... mark my word it will never happen. As we seen with Telstra Linux is used a baginning chip these days. NOVELL may well be better off by it's self. But then again I could be wrong.

I for one think SUN is just taking a page out of the M$ play book. I simply think it should be evaluated for what it is, playing the cards.

Must ... not ... don ... tinfoil (oh well) (1)

saur2004 (801688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862792)

Novel claims ownership of SYS V and get sued by SCOX. We all cheer Novel. We all think Novel stands a good chance of winning. Sun is emproiled in a law suit with M$. Sun settles. Sun then makes antagonistic moves that are not exactly Linux friendly. Sun says they are interested in buying Novel.

I are intrigued (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862797)

I are, is you?

wtf is this 403 shit?!?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862799)

come'on slashdot, i need my fucking fix!

Why wouldn't they just buy Red Hat? (1)

lewdot (748742) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862804)

If they really wanted Linux market share, and actually did a little research, wouldn't the logical conclusion be to purchase Red Hat? Last survey I saw (and it could be really outdated at this point, I'll admit) they were the distro with the highest percentage of production systems.

if they do there goes SuSE (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9862818)

Sun has almost no success acquiring companies. Look at the mess they made of Raq.

If they do this expect IBM to drop them real quick. This move would likely make RedHat that much more dominant.

The industry wants an "independant" Linux vendor. The industry wants an OSS equivalent to MS.

RedHat and depending on your view to a lesser effect Novell are those answers. As soon as this is tied to hardware manufacturing everything gets very muddy and proprietary creep sets in.

Sun scared by Mono (2, Interesting)

NiceGuyUK (801305) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862819)

Could Sun's decision here be also partly based on the growing success of Novell's Mono project? Mono is an implementation of .Net, which is a threat to Java (from a developer mindshare point-of-view at least), and perhaps this would be a way for Sun to start containing that threat.

Oh, and spare me the Java vs .Net flamewar, that's not the intention of this post.

Bad idea... (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9862824)

I personally don't trust that Sun will do good things if they purchase Novell. Sun has more to gain from Linux market crashing and buring as it hurts them more than it hurts MS.

It's laughable that Sun believes that it can compete with IBM in the Linux market by using Suse. IBM can always use another distro or make an IBM Linux since it has the resources to do so. Not to mention that your average PHB wouldn't know what a Suse Linux is while he/she will notice the branding on the IBM Linux.
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