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iTunes For Linux, Thanks To CodeWeavers

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the impressive-stuff dept.

Music 352

pizen writes "The folks over at CNet have the scoop that a new version of CrossOver Office (3.1) now supports Apple's iTunes. The preview version of the software is being tested and is currently only available to current CodeWeavers customers. They expect a final version to be available later this year." Reader snowtigger contributes a link to this screenshot. White demonstrated iTunes on a Linux machine at OSCON as well; a rendering glitch marred that demo, but he was still able to demonstrate playing back a song which he'd purchased from iTMS using iTunes on Linux.

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352 comments

Finally!!! (4, Interesting)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868001)


This is has honestly been the only reason that I still boot up in Windows.

Also seems I not the only one:
"iTunes has been our No. 1 most requested application," CodeWeavers CEO Jeremy White said in a statement.

And presumably a free open source version cannot be far behind? Now, if I can just take this opportunity to ask the iTunes people to please add some (a lot) more to their back catalogue then the world will become perfect.

Re:Finally!!! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868037)

The CodeWeavers people are pretty cool about contributing back their code changes. Their product as such is more or less a way to make wine's configuration "just work"

Re:Finally!!! (1, Interesting)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868057)

Is that because of the music store or because of iTunes management capabilities? Because I never got that last one - I've got a lot of music, mostly my albums on my computer - they reside on their own partition, one folder per album. I can play them using the context menu entry that opens Foobar. I've never needed more management than that - why would anyone? Seriously, I'm asking. :)

Re:Finally!!! (2, Insightful)

Progoth (98669) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868123)

I've never needed more management than that - why would anyone? Seriously, I'm asking. :)

just use it for a couple of days...see if you don't love it

try out the tag editing also

Re:Finally!!! (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868168)

My gf uses it on her iBook, so I do know it. I just don't see the point. The only thing it can do that I can't readily is tell me when I played a song last, which I suppose would come in handy for filtering rarely used songs.

Re:Finally!!! (2, Insightful)

pebs (654334) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868185)

Is that because of the music store or because of iTunes management capabilities? Because I never got that last one - I've got a lot of music, mostly my albums on my computer - they reside on their own partition, one folder per album.

Personally, I use Winamp 5, which I think has a much better interface than iTunes, but its the same concept with its media library. I used to have all my music in folders and run them from there. But then I started using Winamp 5 and really liked the media library once I started using it. Being able to search your entire library for a song or artist and have the entire search result be your playlist is just one possibility. Bookmarks, rating songs, recently played songs, most played songs, being able to scroll through your entire library are other nice features. When you have a music collection that has become disorganized and fragmented like mine has, it helps a lot, too.

Though iTunes is lacking in comparison to Winamp 5, it is slowly catching up. But screw iTunes, I want to see Winamp 5 running on Linux!

iTunes does all that (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868385)

Are you raving about iTunes or Winamp? iTunes does everything you describe, and it looks better to boot. In fact, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Winamp's media library is patterned after Apple's. Start by looking at the screenshots.

Re:Finally!!! (4, Funny)

Nexum (516661) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868400)

Lacking in what way exactly?

WinAmp has always had a non-standard small, confusing and cluttered interface. It tries to have every control available to you within the space of a postage stamp on screen, and the effect is woeful.

From the sound of it you've never used iTunes. And iTunes "catching up" yeah... must be tough catching up with the full quality built in cd ripping to MP3 AAC WAV etc. that WinAmp does. Oh and catching up with the one click CD burning that WinAmp does. Oh and the online music sotre integration that WinAmp has. Oh and the easy interoperability with my iPod that WinAmp manages.

Seriously though, all the WinAmp features you've mentioned have been done in iTunes for years.

Go download it and give it a whirl.

Re:Finally!!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868403)

"Being able to search your entire library for a song or artist and have the entire search result be your playlist is just one possibility. Bookmarks, rating songs, recently played songs, most played songs, being able to scroll through your entire library are other nice features."

So which of these features is iTunes missing now?

Re:Finally!!! (0, Offtopic)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868124)

This is has honestly been the only reason that I still boot up in Windows.

Linux has several alternatives [bitconjurer.org] for the same functionality [mldonkey.org] .

Re:Finally!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868346)

... huh?

What makes you think that BitTorrent or MlDonkey can be considered alternatives to iTunes + Apple's online Media Store?

Re:Finally!!! (0)

argent (18001) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868361)

Funny, I've been running iTunes under UNIX for months.

Re:Finally!!! (2, Insightful)

Zelet (515452) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868431)

This was my killer app for linux too.

I didn't spend days rating and organizing my songs for nothing. Until some free (as in speech) app comes along that can import *all* my iTunes ratings and organization I wont be switching from my Mac or Windows PCs.

Snotnigger (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868004)

Reader snowtigger contributes a link to this screenshot.

Anyone else misread snowtigger as snotnigger?

itunes for bsd too :) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868011)

Re:itunes for bsd too :) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868016)

i'm sure that troll would be much more effective if anybody actually used BSD. ;-)

Re:itunes for bsd too :) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868023)

That was actually just a (miserably failed) first post attempt. Just wanted to be clever about it this time...apparently that doesn't work.

Re:itunes for bsd too :) (0)

XemonerdX (242776) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868055)

No such thing as a clever first post when trying to to do for the sake of it.

Futurama Quote applicable (4, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868012)


Bender: What better way to celebrate our success than by me showing Bubblegum this globetrotters uniform I made myself.
BubbleGum: Let me see.
Bender shows him his uniform.
BubbleGum: Hello lawsuit *rubs palms*.

Re:Futurama Quote applicable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868082)

Applicable how?

Re:Futurama Quote applicable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868164)

It's from Futurama.

i must say (-1, Troll)

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Linux is about open standards (-1, Troll)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868018)

Can anybody who wee this as a good thing explain why? Apple will probably sue the pants of codeweawers like they usualy do when someone touch their DRM crap. No, I as a Linux user want open formats.

Re:Linux is about open standards (4, Informative)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868030)

Apple haven't sued Codeweavers over QuickTime under GNU/Linux so why would they do it over this?

It's running whatever software Apple offer. No DRM is being tampered with.

I think they will worry far more about RealNetworks than this.

Re:Linux is about open standards (1)

sotonboy (753502) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868402)

"I think they will worry far more about RealNetworks than this."

Apple have always made people use their products through superior design / better UI / usability / looks and feel. How sad that they now want to force people to use them using lawyers.

I use itunes / itms and my ipod because theyre great. I will only try the Real one because Apple are stooping as low as their rivals.

Yes, I know its offtopic. No need to tell me.

Re:Linux is about open standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868083)

You don't understand what Crossover Office is, do you? Read the article before you make stupid comments.

Re:Linux is about open standards (-1, Flamebait)

foidulus (743482) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868120)

Can anybody who wee this as a good thing explain why? Apple will probably sue the pants of codeweawers like they usualy do when someone touch their DRM crap. No, I as a Linux user want open formats.
Because, you know, now that iTunes works under Linux, all your old music programs will cease to work and will never work again. Gah, fucking anti-DRM zealots. If you don't like, it don't use it! You act as if this is being forced on you, like music is a constitutional right. If you don't like what the RIAA is doing, don't listen to RIAA music, it's that simple.
Contrary to popular belief, you don't have an inherent right to music, just like the RIAA has no right to sales. Listen to non RIAA bands, or go out and make your own music.....

Re:Linux is about open standards (5, Informative)

Mant (578427) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868248)

Contrary to popular belief, you don't have an inherent right to music, just like the RIAA has no right to sales. Listen to non RIAA bands, or go out and make your own music.....

I should have a right to the music I have paid for though. That's what anti-DRM people are usually complaining about.

Re:Linux is about open standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868370)

So don't pay for music that you don't get the rights you want to. Check out www.magnatune.com if you'd like freedom with the music you buy. They allow you to download full 128kbps mp3s of all the songs available as samples (at least they have for all the artists I've checked), and after you buy a record (recommended price is $8, but they allow you to choose from $5-$18) they allow you to download in a variety of formats: WAV, FLAC, high quality OGG or MP3, etc.

Re:Linux is about open standards - Ogg Vorbis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868213)

Now there's iTunes running in Linux. Good.

On the other ahnd, there's an Ogg Vorbis for QuickTime Plug-In, currently just for OS 9, OS X and Win32:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group _id=41359 [sourceforge.net]

But one keeps wondering how much of an effort it would be to combine the two, thus getting Ogg Vorbis functionality within iTunes running under GNU/Linux on i386 and PPC??

Well, it saves Apple some work! (-1, Redundant)

Dogers (446369) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868034)

Because it must be gosh darn difficult to port BSDish code to Linux, oh my..

Re:Well, it saves Apple some work! (4, Insightful)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868046)

I think iTunes on MacOS X is a Carbon application, ie based on an updated version of the old Macintosh APIs. If it's anything like Quicktime for Windows, the Windows version of iTunes probably makes use of what's effectively a Carbon layer for Windows.

Just because there might be BSD stuff underneath everything on MacOS X doesn't mean everything directly uses the BSD APIs...

Re:Well, it saves Apple some work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868077)

(youngandstoopid) so its like QT/GTK then? (/youngandstoopid)

Yuck... (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868080)

Sounds like Apple are embeding the UI layer and the Application layer, that's what you get from a single vendor solution....

Well.. maybe not.. but how hard can it be for Apple to do a carbon copy for Linux, like they've done for Windows.

Re:Yuck... (4, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868228)

Sounds like Apple are embeding the UI layer and the Application layer, that's what you get from a single vendor solution....

Uh, no. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. The point is that MacOS isn't FreeBSD with an Apple window manager slapped on top, as Slashbot dimwits all seem to believe.

Well.. maybe not.. but how hard can it be for Apple to do a carbon copy for Linux, like they've done for Windows.

Probably just about as hard to make, although a lot harder to support. But for 1% of the desktop market instead of 97%, "no harder to make" isn't necessarily a winner.

It's still all unix (-1, Offtopic)

rebeka thomas (673264) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868090)

I think iTunes on MacOS X is a Carbon application, ie based on an updated version of the old Macintosh APIs. If it's anything like Quicktime for Windows, the Windows version of iTunes probably makes use of what's effectively a Carbon layer for Windows.


It still only needs the right layer in there. OSX still uses a BSD interface which is alot similar, and OSX's fancy graphics are still X11 based, and music devices and disks are still /dev/whatever/ so I don't see any problem

honestly I dont see why nobody hasn't made a layer for binary compatibility for certain apps. run the original OSX itunes code on linux and have some of those BSD unique calls translated to linux and we're sweeeet!!!!

Re:It's still all unix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868118)

> and OSX's fancy graphics are still X11 based,

No, Quartz is like DisplayPDF, totally different from the X11 model.

Re:It's still all unix (5, Informative)

GregChant (305127) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868133)

It still only needs the right layer in there. OSX still uses a BSD interface which is alot similar, and OSX's fancy graphics are still X11 based,

No, they aren't. X11 is completely separate from Aqua/Quartz. One of the many reasons why you need either Xfree86 or Apple's modified X11 to run X applications. Additionally, like the grandparent said, iTunes is based on Carbon, which is separate from the BSD subsystem. For the most part, OS X uses BSD for its kernel and services only: all Mac OS X native programs are written in Cocoa, Carbon, or Java.

Re:It's still all unix (4, Insightful)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868202)

OSX still uses a BSD interface which is alot similar

iTunes doesn't, so you're wrong here. It uses Carbon, a completely different and very large API ported to Mach from MacOS. I doubt highly it touches the BSD server much.

and OSX's fancy graphics are still X11 based

Wrong. Quartz is essentially a display PDF renderer, written from scratch and having nothing to do with X11.

and music devices and disks are still /dev/whatever/ so I don't see any problem

Wrong. 0 for 3. Thanks for playing "Slashdot pundit who doesn't know what he's talking about".

Re:Well, it saves Apple some work! (1)

mjj12 (10449) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868477)

Well, given that iTunes in in a lot of ways just a nice front end for Quicktime, then iTunes must be like this if Quicktime is like this, I guess.

Re:Well, it saves Apple some work! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868054)

its crossover - so, its running the windows version.

asshat.

Re:Well, it saves Apple some work! (5, Informative)

Shisha (145964) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868109)

iTunes is not an X windows app. That's why porting it to Linux won't be much easier than porting to Windows.

Oh and the parent is moderated interesting! No it's not it's rubbish. Repeat after me Aqua is not X! CoreAudio is not ALSA (or OSS)!!!

Yes Mac OS X has got BSD kernel, but 95% of things above that level (exlcluding OpenGL) are proprietary Apple stuff and so a nearly full blown port is requeried from Mac OS X to Linux! Nowadays programs like iTunes use more then fopen(...); and printf(...).

Why would I use it? (0)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868048)

Not to bitch and moan. I think the Code Weavers dudes do an excellent job, but for people who neither own an IPod, nor can buy from the apple store for country restricitions reasons it looks like a rather lost proposition.

Not that I would buy any digital restrictions managed music from anywhere in the first place, but I digress...

Re:Why would I use it? (4, Funny)

Quobobo (709437) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868136)

You are not the only Linux user in the world. Some of them might even have these "iPods" you mention.

Wow. (2, Insightful)

trans_err (606306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868050)

Now I finally have a reason to buy a copy of CrossOver office. iTunes is really a killer app, and using gtkpod to manage the songs on my desktop was almost insulting to the ipod itself.

Wooohoo.

Re:Wow. (1)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868452)

why is he a troll? gtkpod is a very crude way of getting songs on an ipod

This is a good thing (5, Interesting)

tourettes (97445) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868062)

I have been in love with iTunes since I first used it in Windows late last year, I have all my music in it, and allow it to keep everything organized. While in Windows, everything is nice and neat and tidy, however, as soon as i switched to Linux and loaded up my tunes in XMMS, or Juk, or Kaffeine or any other multimedia player, all the titles and ID3 tags would look messed up.

While some of the open source projects out there have been doing a great job emulating iTunes, none have yet to duplicate the easy of use and great interface that Apple gives us. I wouldn't say this is the only reason why I use Windows, but I would say that while in Linux, I rarely listen to any of my music because I find it too difficult.

Thank you code weavers, and I will be looking forward to the release.

Re:This is a good thing (0, Troll)

Zebbers (134389) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868137)

omg........ I understand the usability and looks of iTunes is nice, but are you retarded? You find it difficult to play music? You load the file and push play....it's not like xmms doesn't support playlists or (j)umping....zinf isn't bad either and has better playlisting support

I gave you credit until that comment. You don't listen to music because it is difficult....interesting.

Re:This is a good thing (2, Interesting)

tourettes (97445) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868246)

I should have said 'more difficult', i know it's not hard to pop in a song at a time, or even a playlist of a few hundred songs. However, I like how iTunes organizes everything when it comes to being able to browse by Album/Artist/Genre, and give you the options to create playlists and smart playlists. I have used Juk a lot, and while it is a good program, and does some of these things well, it always felt like there was something missing.

As for Zif, I did give it a try, but I kept having problems with it scanning my hard drive to find my music files, I haven't filed a bug report until i figure out if it's something with my system causing that problem.

Re:This is a good thing (1, Insightful)

Matthias Wiesmann (221411) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868312)

You don't listen to music because it is difficult....interesting.
No, this is quite legitimate.

There are times when you want to listen to music, without giving it much attention. This means you don't want to navigate a filesystem every three minutes to select the next tune, which would amount to interrupt what you are doing. Playlists don't work well with me, because this means selecting stuff in advance. You can do the analogy to how you listen to music in your car, playlists are like burning your own compilation on a CD, selecting files is like inserting a new tape after each tune. The first one implies work and to be organised (I'm not), the second would not be very safe. Of course, you listen to whole albums sequentially, but this is often not what I feel like.

I used to have a Sun station with XMMS, but not listening a lot to music because of this. With iTunes, I usually browse either by genre or artist or even use the search facility and play the set of songs that come out. The party mode is also, I think, quite a good idea, although I have to figure out how to prevent certain tunes from ending up in there.

Re:This is a good thing (2, Interesting)

Joe Enduser (527199) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868384)

No, it is difficult.

Alsa? Oss? Esd? Artsd? Jack? Jackit? Wtf? How does one know that you need xmms-alsa.rpm installed when you play music in KDE with this sound system thingy enabled?

And it used to be isapnp+sndconfig. Hell, I used to not listen to music because it was too difficult in those days.

Of course, I do not know if this is the grandparent poster's point. I-tunes is certainly not going to change this situation, and you have pointed out some nice alternatives for sure.

Waaaaaa! (1)

spotteddog (234814) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868154)

"while in Linux, I rarely listen to any of my music because I find it too difficult."

Bull. What's more difficult about listening to your music in Linux than Windows? I have not seen messed up ID3 tags in my mps or ogg files in Linux, Windows , or on my Pocket PC. Perhaps the original software that created your music files was less than compliant with the standards (or you are using old versions of XMMS/Juk/Kaffine). Did you report your problems to the developers? What makes you think the Linux version of iTunes will be any better?

on Linux? (3, Informative)

SvendTofte (686053) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868064)

he'd purchased from iTMS using iTunes on Linux.

You mean that he purchased from iTMS using iTunes on Windows on Linux?

Re:on Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868081)

er, no. do you even have a clue what you're talking about?

Re:on Linux? (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868156)

I suppose you mean 'on Windows or Linux', in which case the answer is 'on Linux'. We've been able to play songs purchased on Windows for a while, just not to purchase them on Linux.

Re:on Linux? (1)

pecko666 (684783) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868381)

No, he meant 'onWindows (running) on Linux' ! The iTunes was running on emulated Windows instance, which was running on emulator running on Linux! So we still have no Linux iTunes. We have only emulator support for Windows version of iTunes on Linux.

Re:on Linux? (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868363)

You can purchase songs and play them on Linux. However, iPod integration doesn't presently work.

Re:on Linux? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868464)

Cue thread on whether Wine is an emulator, in five ... four ...

Hmmm (0, Troll)

anonicon (215837) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868074)

Wow, cool, now the Linux community can easily, painlessly join the choice of a new generation [downhillbattle.org] . Fan-f*cking-tastic, where do I sign up? *drool*

Re:Hmmm (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868088)

oh look, a cheap bastard...

Re:Hmmm (4, Insightful)

Valar (167606) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868140)

You know, I've never found artists not getting a very big cut as a good excuse to not pay them at all...

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

anonicon (215837) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868242)

"You know, I've never found artists not getting a very big cut as a good excuse to not pay them at all.."

Talk about your erroneous, false conclusions. I wasn't referring to iTunes as an alternative to Kazaa, but I was pointing out that it's funny that so many people are excited about the opportunity to buy low-quality DRM'd music on Linux (like their Windows counterparts).

Re:Hmmm (4, Insightful)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868393)

i've bought 140 songs from itms. probably a good 40 or 50 of them were from the pepsi promotion. but with my klipsch pro media speakers they don't sound bad either. my monsoon stereo in my car seems to like them too because it sounds like any other cd. ya.. i agree 128kbps is kinda low and i wish they'd raise it to 160kbps or 192kbps but oh well. this gives me a way to buy single songs from those cd's that have 1 or 2 good songs on them and not spend $10-15 to get those 1 or 2 good songs. even if they quality isn't cd quality i still saved myself a crap load of money by buying them this way. if you looked through my itms smart folder you'd notice that it's all 1 or 2 songs by an artist and not full cd's. I still buy the full cd's from a store like best buy or cdnow.com. but when it comes to a couple songs on a cd that sucks other than those couple songs.. i'll take the DRMed low quality than paying $10-15 for them.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868146)

Yay, zealot sites with an agenda! Their mature additude with the material("screw job" now that is classy!) really makes an impression on me. No, no, I will not research the facts on my own, your exemplary site has made such an impression on me!

Re:Hmmm (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868313)

that whole page is full of rubbish. the problem isn't the artists getting zero money, it's the contract they signed with their record company. now the record company dictates how much money they get. that's their own fault.

ITunes = mac garbage (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868079)

If I had to pick one mac program/game to port, it would have to be Power Pete

gtkpod? (2, Informative)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868101)

What about gtkpod [sourceforge.net] ?

Re:gtkpod? (1)

Accipiter (8228) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868374)

What about it? Buy a song from iTunes with it.

Yeah.

What's so good about iTunes? Not a troll. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868115)

Serious question, as I have no system capable of running iTunes smoothly. What's so good about iTunes? If you don't intend to buy an iPod or music from the iTMS, is there anything special about iTunes that other music players don't have?

Re:What's so good about iTunes? Not a troll. (5, Informative)

rharder (218037) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868151)

Even w/o an iPod or an interest in iTMS, iTunes can make a great music program. Like many other things Apple, iTunes doesn't necessarily have unique features, but (nearly) all its features are easier to use than in (nearly) all other software (there are always exceptions).

Things that you can do anywhere but are particularly easy, pleasant, or automatic in iTunes:
o Searching for songs
o Manipulating playlists
o Consistent sound quality/volume
o Smart playlists

Other nice things that some people use:
o AppleScriptable (OK, only applies to Macs but extremely useful nonetheless)
o Album art
o Rate your songs

Just a few thoughts...

-Rob

Re:What's so good about iTunes? Not a troll. (1)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868273)

Not to mention the mp3 encoder in iTunes is excellent. That's one thing Linux lacks.
(Disclaimer: Please don't say ogg or lame, b/c they don't do classical music at all, unfortunately.)

Also, AAC and transcoding (2, Informative)

tentimestwenty (693290) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868405)

The AAC codec in iTunes is now excellent and really takes on all comers. The one biggest feature for me is the ability to transcode from WAV-->AIFF-->AAC-->MP3 with just the click of a button. It makes keeping a reference copy of your collection in uncompressed form very easy and desireable because you can easily automate the process to rip for portable use and smaller sizes. Smart Playlists make this even easier.

Re:What's so good about iTunes? Not a troll. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868419)

Huh?
Classical music, isn't music?

Ohh i see where you're going, i demand my own encoder as well, for emo.

Re:What's so good about iTunes? Not a troll. (1)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868457)

sorry to differ with you, but I encode CD's on my Linux machine and then transfer them over to my Wife's for her to play on iTunes because it's so much better. This is for mp3's mind you. Apple's AAC is a different story, yet less flexable IMHO.

And I don't understand what you mean that lame and ogg don't do classical. Can you point me to websites that show this? Or is this just opinion.

Let me know

AirTunes? (3, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868161)

Any news if this will work with the Airport Express? I'm guessing yes, because I'd imagine AirTunes to be a rendezvous (err... I mean OpenTalk)-based service working at the application level, rather than requiring any extra low level networking code. Still, worth a check.

Cheers,
Ian

iTunes is so overrated (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868180)

iTunes is so overrated. I don't see why people like it so much. Oh my god, you can buy songs from iTunes for a dollar a peice! Oh, it plays mp3s too, whoo doggy, thats amazing! Not to mention its a resource hogging POS.

SWEET...? (-1, Troll)

brufleth (534234) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868186)

GREAT I can use iTunes in Linux now...wait why do I want to use iTunes? I don't have an iPod and don't want to buy DRM infected music. I installed iTunes on a windows machine to download free songs won off a Pepsi top and it was such a terrible program I just removed it before getting my free song.

Re:SWEET...? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868349)

Umm your it was such a terrible program line is missing a few things - like what was so terrible about it.

I have used every music jukebox app available and prefer itunes over all of them because it is easy, efficient and well organized.

slightly off topic, but... (1)

jerky42 (264624) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868197)

What is a good program to use to batch change all ID3 tags to match the file name, or better yet, to match the file name minus the ".mp3"?

Suggestions?

Re:slightly off topic, but... (4, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868251)

What is a good program to use to batch change all ID3 tags to match the file name, or better yet, to match the file name minus the ".mp3"?

Which OS? I used to use Tag&Rename [softpointer.com] when I ran my music stuff under Windows - excellent program. Don't know for Linux, and under OS X I just use iTunes to manage stuff.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:slightly off topic, but... (1)

jerky42 (264624) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868311)

Thanks. That looks like a great program. I was looking for Windows software, but I can also use Linux stuff.

Re:slightly off topic, but... (1)

Swedentom (670978) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868254)

If you have a Mac, you can make a quick AppleScript for this.

"The Hard-Bodied Sounds of the Gay Circuit..."? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868211)

Ummm... yeah. Great screenshot.

Screenshot Confusion (5, Funny)

Nutcase (86887) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868227)

I looked at the screenshot and saw the OS X like buttons... my first thought was "Wow! They ported Crossover to OS X so now I can run iTunes on my mac!!"

Then I realized what I was thinking, and felt dumb.

I don't know about that (0, Troll)

spectasaurus (415658) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868279)

Looks a lot like an OS X or Windows XP screenshot to me. Taking a snap of only the one window does not make it a screenshot. It makes it a window capture.

Hidden Significance (3, Interesting)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868320)

Don't tell anybody, but this must actually break the iTunes DRM good and hard. CrossOverOffice almost certainly uses a standard Linux sound driver to get the sound data to the sound chip. This is bound to mean /dev/dsp, which is "hackable" in the sense that anyone with root access can snarf the digital audio data between when it gets decrypted by iTunes and when it gets sent to the sound chip. You can then make unlimited unencumbered copies. Additionally, knowing that the file was uncompressed from lossy AAC compression, it should be possible to recompress it in such a way as exactly to recover the original compressed file, just sans DRM encumbrance.

The same would, of course, also go for any successful attempt to run Windows Media Player under Linux.

DRM is a pipe dream. There is a fundamental physical reason why it will never work, though a formal mathematical proof escapes me right now. It's time to stop trying to do the impossible, even if that means having to swallow the unpalatable.

Re:Hidden Significance (5, Informative)

Graff (532189) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868382)

Don't tell anybody, but this must actually break the iTunes DRM good and hard. CrossOverOffice almost certainly uses a standard Linux sound driver to get the sound data to the sound chip. This is bound to mean /dev/dsp, which is "hackable" in the sense that anyone with root access can snarf the digital audio data between when it gets decrypted by iTunes and when it gets sent to the sound chip.

Don't tell anybody, but this happens under Mac OS and Windows also.

Just because you can re-route audio that doesn't mean you are breaking the DRM. Apple knows about all of these methods and has only done a pro forma job at closing them off. Basically, Apple needs to be able to tell the RIAA "We're making sure the music is uncopyable." so that the RIAA will continue to sign distribution contracts with Apple.

Don't make a big deal that you can create DRM-less copies of iTunes Music Store Music and its most likely that Apple won't bother you. Remember that Steve Jobs was the one who said [macobserver.com] , "Every security scheme that is based on secrets eventually fails."

Re:Hidden Significance (1)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868422)

this must actually break the iTunes DRM good and hard

You can already de-DRM iTMS songs with Hymn [hymn-project.org] . If you don't like leaving your Apple ID in the file, it's probably not a big deal to modify the Hymn source.

I'd caution people authorizing iTunes under Wine (and Windows, for that matter) to be aware of the DRM scheme, so that you don't accidentally lose the right to play your songs. You can authorize up to five computers, and you may unwittingly reauthorize the same computer multiple times with no clear way to fix it. With Wine, it is probably quite easy to reset some of the data that determines the system key:

  • Windows product ID
  • BIOS version
  • CPU name
  • serial number of C: drive
The first three items are taken directly from the Registry. I don't have a Linux box handy, but it's possible that those entries are simply missing. I don't know how Wine would handle the serial number of the C: drive.

Re:Hidden Significance (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868472)

Um, so? I can turn on WireTap on my Mac and do the same thing. I must be a "hacker" then. :P

Re:Hidden Significance (1)

Mant (578427) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868502)

You can get Windows programs that act as 'fake' sound drivers. Set them as your machine's sound out, and play anything protected, iTunes, WMP, Real, whatever, and it will save it out as a wav file. Instant DRM avoidance, as DRM doesn't yet extend that far into the computer.

That's why folks like the RIAA want "trusted" computing. Your trusted sound card won't work without a trusted driver, that won't non-trusted things have the sound info. That's the pipe dream of DRM.

Re:Hidden Significance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868511)

You're an idiot

Heh I have been saying this for a long time (4, Interesting)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868324)

Why Apple Needs iTunes for Linux.. PHP-Nuke As of Late, I have been looking into buying an ipod, they are so cute and sexy, but I cant get over the fact that I cant download music legally for it. You might ask me, why cant you go onto Apple's iTunes and pay for your music, well because THEY DONT support Linux! I have been using Linux for the last 5 years and I feel that it is the perfect desktop for me. It has loads of functionality and it always seems like things are getting updated, so it feels like a new experience every time I turn on my computer. (most people don't like that, but it keeps me productive). I have everything I have ever wanted in Linux, except a legal way to download music. I have even gone as far as buying a ibook to play around with macosx and use iTunes, but I was soon disappointed that I couldn't transfer my iTunes collection I had just purchased to my Linux computer. Now there is a very cool open source project called playfair, that takes the DRM (Digital Rights Management) Software out of the AAC file that you download from apple and allows you to play it on your Linux computer. But this is again not legal, and it could be used for wrong doing. Apple doesn't understand if they would have supported the Linux community in the first place, they wouldn't have programs like this all over the Internet. The only thing they have done to support Linux at all is creating a ton of open source software that helps the open source community, but not Linux in general. I would even go as far as saying there are probably more Linux users out there than Mac users and it only hurts Apple not to create a Linux version of iTunes. Come on apple help stop Piracy and come out with iTunes for Linux!

big whoop (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868327)

Wahoo! I can now spend more money on music that the artists won't see and support the RIAA! Thanks!
allofmp3.com [allofmp3.com]

Screenshot (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868343)

Wow, great screenshot! It really shows us... ummm... well, what iTunes looks like.

Everybody doing Apple's work for them (3, Funny)

jamesmrankinjr (536093) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868412)

First Real makes their player compatible with the iPod. Now someone makes iTunes available on Linux.

Apple hardly needs to do a thing to improve iTunes. Their competitors are doing it all for them.

Peace be with you,
-jimbo

really (-1, Flamebait)

wobblie (191824) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868436)

what does iTunes have over juk, as far as managing your music collection goes?

I personally have no interest in paying apple $1/song for a proprietary format; reencoding in ogg is not an option. Really, $1 per song is very, very expensive - considering a cd is about the same and you get a nice semi-permanent media, far higher quality audio, with artwork lyrics, etc.

Come to think of it, $1 per song is a complete rip off. If they were ogg encoded, I might give it some consideration at .50/song.

Takeover??? (2, Interesting)

Performaman (735106) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868445)

I think this makes iTunes the first mainstream online music store to run under Linux. Apple should really try a native port, 'cuz if they did they would own the Linux market for music stores.
Step 1: Port iTunes to Linux
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

As someone who runs both OSX, Windows, and Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9868462)

I have to ask why iTunes gets all the attention?

It is a fairly nice, and robust music playback/library system, but I'll be honest: Winamp5 is a much better alternative IMHO.

iTunes, whether on my 3Ghz P4 PC, or my dual 2Ghz G5 is still a resource hog, and it's library functions still do not match those of Winamp5.

As an example, itunes will not dynamically keep track of changes in my library (when my library is a shared on an external server via my LAN). With Winamp, I can have it rescan the library at start, or any number of other time schedules, depending on how I configure it.

Another great thing about Winamp is that it plays EVERYTHING. iTunes can't play half as many formats as Winamp does.

Winamp handles video flawlessly, as well as internet/streaming video via its very impressive .nsv format.

Additionally, Winamp allows me to configure my media in very logical ways, allowing me to filter down to what I need. For example:

I can arrange my video collections in folders (TV, Music, Documentarys, etc), and then subfolders (Rated-G, Rated-R, etc.), and finally into further subfolders (Movie Clips, Movies, Concerts, Animated, Singles, etc), and then dynamically search for content based on this ("Search for Rated-R Television Shows", "Search for Rated-G Animated Movies", as well as just do normal searches "Show me all Simpsons". iTunes can't handle this. It just sees media, and then only media that Apple wants it to see.

Don't get me wrong, iTunes is nice, and of course you have the iTunes music store, if that's your thing. It's not mine (Sound quality is crap though, roughly equal to an avg. 128k mp3 if you ask me. I refuse to buy anything with a sound quality that's worse than a 192k mp3), but I can understand the convenience factor for those less picky than I.

Personally, I'd love it if WinAmp5 came out for OSX. Maybe then Apple would start putting some of the features that it's userbase has been asking for into their software (Ogg playback, pluggable output devices, similar to WinAmp, etc).

As it is, Audacity's a nice player for OSX, but it's media library functions are even less than iTunes (although their smart playlist/folder feature's nice!). I'm dealing with over 100 gig of music in my library on average (ripped all my CD's, and am working on my vinyl currently), and about 400 gig of videos (+-). Winamp's the only player/organizer out there that's quick and efficient for me.

So back to the subject... Why do you all love iTunes so much over what is to me a superior player, Winamp5??

One step forward, and two behind (4, Interesting)

QCompson (675963) | more than 9 years ago | (#9868493)

Great... now only if I could get firewire to work easily and reliably on linux.
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