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Helix Player and RealPlayer 10 Released

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the get-your-drm-on dept.

Music 323

kforeman writes "The RealPlayer 10 for Linux and its underlying 100% open source Helix Player are now both finalized. The RealPlayer 10 for Linux has many new features including a Mozilla plug-in, so you can now enjoy all those embedded media clips, as well as the latest RealAudio 10, RealVideo 10, MP3, Flash, and Ogg Vorbis and Theora support. The Helix Player is 100% open source, (now including the GPL!) and includes support for SMIL 2.0 and open source codecs Ogg Vorbis and Theora. Our goal is to make the Linux desktop a first class citizen and we think today's releases are a good first step in that direction."

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Good news (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869281)

Thats...buffering buffering...great!

Re:Good news (5, Interesting)

erick99 (743982) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869557)

I used to dislike RealAudio as much as anybody else but the most recent release of their player is actually very good and does not assault me with ads or offers to upgrade anywhere near the extent that the older ones did. I have used MS MediaPlayer quite a bit but recently found that RealPlayer seemed to have more codecs or was able to auto-install them with greater ease than MediaPlayer. Hell, I could be wrong about how that works. But, my user experience is that Real's player is a pretty nice "product" at this point and, at times, has helped me listen/watch something sooner that I otherwise would have. This is just my two cents worth, a personal opinion at best. I am far from a Real Audio "apologist." I understand Real's history and was as annoyed as anyone else in the past. But, I don't mind revisiting something once in a while to see where it's at and I have found the current RealPlayer to be a good product.

Cheers!

Erick

P.S. Yes, I know I should look at some of the other non-MS/Real players out there and will do so.

Showstopper question (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869688)

While I've always had a love/hate relationship with RealPlayer (love the streaming format, hate the business practices), there's always been one thing that's made them useless on the Linux/Unix platform. It didn't support fullscreen play!

Does this new version support fullscreen playback? That's really the only feature I care about.

Re:Good news (4, Interesting)

ralphart (70342) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869708)

Hmm...Since Helix has been open-sourced, what's to stop someone from porting it to Windows, so one could dispense with RealPlayer and all the goop it installs? Is it just me or does that makes some kind of sense? Not that I'm advocating running Windows or anything, mind you!

THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869283)

Slashdot uses Slashcode running on Apache with a MySQL backend. All of these packages are OPEN SOURCE, and therefore the odds of errors occurring are VIRTUALLY ZERO! On top of the impecable software, this site is maintained like a finely tuned machine by some of the most brilliant administrators and programmers the human race has to offer! I'm sick of these rumors about server errors! THEY ARE LIES!

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869444)

omg mysql? they really use that girly crap database?

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (1, Offtopic)

screwedcork (801471) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869606)

No I've been getting them a lot... it usually works if I refresh a couple times though maybe slashdot has been slashdotted!

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869665)

I've found that I only get the 503 errors if I'm logged in. If I disable cookies it starts working again.

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (1, Offtopic)

gowen (141411) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869646)

Hey, bad programmers (and anyone who's seen slashcode knows who I'm talking about) can write bad code using any paradigm.

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869683)

If it's bandwith I'm sure they could solve it by adopting CSS...

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/ [alistapart.com]

Why AC... cos the last time I logged in it 503'd me!

Re:THERE ARE NO 503 ERRORS!! QUIT SPREADING LIES!! (1)

augustz (18082) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869737)

I'll get them for hours at a time at work. Lot's of fun. One of those "upgrades" that downgrades.

Move along. (0, Offtopic)

dotwaffle (610149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869287)

Anyone else get a "Nothing to see here. Move along." notice? That was sooooo weird!

Re:Move along. (-1, Offtopic)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869317)

I got that. I blame Taco.

Re:Move along. (0, Offtopic)

cytoman (792326) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869356)

Me too! I thought I must have clicked some other link by mistake. A gesture and a click corrected it.

I wonder how many people saw the "Nothing to see here. Move Along" notice...

Re:Move along. (0, Offtopic)

dotwaffle (610149) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869384)

Did you give it the finger or were you using Opera at the time? ;) I do like Opera, if only it would support some kind of roaming profile system, so I could log in and all my bookmarks etc would be there... hint hint...

Re:Move along. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869562)

dude... we first post athletes have been seeing this for WEEKS now... it's nothing unusual or new anymore

Re:Move along. (0, Offtopic)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869462)

I get that, and occasionally a "503 service is unavailable". I know they moved servers recently, but this is getting annoying not getting my nerd news fix on demand.

not offtopic, someone should fix this already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869579)

I get a Service Unavailable in 29 out of 30 tries for the front page when I'm logged in!

Helix! (3, Interesting)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869288)

I hope to play with this later.

Could this be the beginning of a multimedia framework for GNU/Linux?

Re:Helix! (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869567)

Could this be the beginning of a multimedia framework for GNU/Linux?

Try Gstreamer [freedesktop.org] for that.

Re:Helix! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869608)

WHY do you HAVE to be so FUCKING NEGATIVE!!!!

Re:Helix! (2, Informative)

LightStruk (228264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869630)

Could this be the beginning of a multimedia framework for GNU/Linux?
Is the existing multimedia framework [freedesktop.org] not good enough for you?

Re:Helix! (1)

sloanster (213766) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869762)

This could indeed be a good thing - note however that applications like xine and mplayer, when properly configured and installed, already provide a full multimedia experience for the savvy linux user, but it's good to get something with the commercial visibility of real into the picture - let's hope it attracts enough interest to gain critical mass.

Awesome! (2, Funny)

cytoman (792326) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869292)

The best news so far today...

Does this mean Real will release how it hacked into iTunes/iPod?

Re:Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869382)

We may be getting iTunes direct from Apple:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=578 [appleinsider.com]

Re:Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869450)

Running itunes in wine can hardly be considered having it directly from apple.

Re:Awesome! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869452)

Does this mean Real will release how it hacked into iTunes/iPod?
They already have. They used publicly available information [theregister.co.uk] .

New Helix and RealPlayer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869296)

Now with 60% more spyware!!!

excellent! (4, Insightful)

hoborocks (775911) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869299)

Now I don't have to use that pesky, non-intrusive, non-commerical, non-irritating, non-email-address-asking Xine [xinehq.de] !

Re:excellent! (4, Informative)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869358)

Xine tends to lose sync when I use it for RA, especially if I am doing something else on the PC at the same time (placing the PC under load). The Real player can handle that.

The effect is: whatever I am listening to comes out completely garbled. I have to terminate and restart Xine.

Re:excellent! (5, Informative)

groomed (202061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869417)

RealPlayer 10 doesn't ask for your email address anymore. I just installed it. It looks decent enough.

Also support for playing Real media formats in Xine/mplayer still isn't quite as reliable as the real thing. Not to mention the browser plugin support. Finally Xine/mplayer can be a bitch to install.

I like what Real's doing. RealPlayer 10 is like the RealPlayer 1.0 that never was.

Re:excellent! (1)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869481)

It also seems impossible to skip forward or back in a Real stream played with mplayer, unless you quit and restart with an adjusted URL ("http://wherever.ram?start=00:12").

I have not tried Helix yet, but this could be a godsend when playing back radio shows of the BBC websites. No more cutting and pasting the contents of RAM files into the command line to start mplayer.

K

Re:excellent! (3, Informative)

groomed (202061) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869565)

I saw some patches coming by on the mplayer-dev mailing list that purportedly implement seeking for Real streams, but I don't know if they ever made it in and/or how reliable they are. Other than that there are sync problems (as the other poster mentioned), connection problems (with rtsp:// in particular, yes, the live.com libs sorta work, no, sorta isn't good enough), stability problems, and assorted minor brokennesses.

I love mplayer but of all the formats it supports, Real is perhaps the worst.

Let me know when EFF clears Xine.... (5, Insightful)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869545)

...then you may have a point.

How is Linux suppose to be ready for the desktop if developers/users continue with 'patents be damned' attitude?

Xine and MPlayer aren't legal in many major markets. That rules them out for many of us.

Helix is legal and backed by RealNetworks legal department.

Re:Let me know when EFF clears Xine.... (3, Insightful)

rokzy (687636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869654)

that's not an excuse. just buy (e.g.) a SuSE Linux box and install that on all your computers. being a legal product it has all the questionable components removed.

applying your logic, how can Windows be ready for the desktop when a huge fraction of users have illegal copies of Windows, Office and other software?

Re:Let me know when EFF clears Xine.... (3, Insightful)

7-Vodka (195504) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869732)

The patent system seems to work ok for mechanical inventions, but is terribly broken for software.
I would bet it's probably impossible to write *any* software which does not violate patents that have been given out and for every valid patent there's probably 1000 invalid ones.
These being the conditions, it's much better to ignore the broken system, that way *if* you ever get sued and *if* you loose, you won't have to pay tripple damages.
Not to mention that most of the world does not care about software patents. Only one country cares with 1/12th of the population on the planet. Worse, probably only 0.1% of that country would actually benefit or want software patents.
So, only about 1/12000 of the worlds population cares about software patents. They just happen to also be among the richest and most powerful and manage to buy ridiculous laws and "free trade agreements".

Re:excellent! (4, Informative)

andreyw (798182) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869645)

RTFA. Helix is non-intrusive, non-commercial, non-irritating, non-email-address-asking.

So..? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869303)

Who needs the real Realplayer anyway? I mean, seriously...

wow I'm confused! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869304)

Can a company that used to be so evil (spyware, user statistics reported without knowledge, etc) suddenly be doing good things like open source?

Maybe it's an honest new attitude... stranger things have happened!

Re:wow I'm confused! (4, Funny)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869492)

You new around here?

Two words: IBM.

Re:wow I'm confused! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869538)

<detail nazi>
Two words: IBM.

You new around here?
That's one acronym.
</detail nazi>

Re:wow I'm confused! (1)

What'sInAName (115383) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869658)

You new around here?

Two words: IBM.

IBM what!?!?!?!?! C'mon, you said two words, so where's the second one? Don't keep us in suspense! ;-)

Re:wow I'm confused! (0, Troll)

betelgeuse-4 (745816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869703)

Perhaps you're meant to add rocks/sucks depending on what period you're talking about: eg.

Past: IBM SUCKS!!!!
Present: IBM ROCKS!!!1

Re:wow I'm confused! (1)

wolfemi1 (765089) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869684)

That ain't two words, that's three!

/men on film

Re:wow I'm confused! (3, Interesting)

Bulln-Bulln (659072) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869774)

It's propably their last chance. If Linux succeeds as desktop OS, their player is the only one (at least the only mature one) available.
Windows comes with WMP (QT also beeing scusessfull) and Mac OS comes with QT.
There are only Linux and other unixy OSes left for Real to be the default Player.

I saw a statistic a few weeks ago. According to that, Windows Media and QuickTime are more or less tied with a litte less than 40% market share.
Real had a little more than 20%.

BTW: HelixPlayer is only developed for Linux/x86 and Symbian (other ports are untested).
I don't see a full Helix Player for Windows or Mac OS. (Windows has a very simple Helix Client) Users of these OSes should - according to Real - get the full RealPlayer.

Neat. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869305)

Okay, this is all well and good. But I've been wondering:

Why bother with Helix when there are other freely-availble, open-source alternatives (e.g., mplayer, xine) that appear equally capable of supporting a variety of player formats?

Re:Neat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869419)

repeat after me: more open source code is a GOOD thing.

Re:Neat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869439)

Why bother with Helix when there are other freely-availble, open-source alternatives (e.g., mplayer, xine) that appear equally capable of supporting a variety of player formats?

Why bother with IE, or Oracle, or MSWindows?
Some people just like a choice.

Re:Neat. (2, Insightful)

AirP (99063) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869501)

And along those lines... why linux when we have windows!

Re:Neat. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869636)

because mplayer is infamous for it's inclusion of questionable codecs. xine is pretty much more of the same. distributors like redhat (and fedora) are looking for media players that are as GPL friendly and LEGAL as possible.

a player that only does Ogg[Vorbis|Theora] falls quite nicely into that slot.

does anyone know about the ability to create plugins? it'd be great to have a unified player that takes easy mp3/xvid/dvd plugins.

First Post (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869307)

haha suckers I got **BUFFERING**

God Damnit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869336)

I knew I shouldn't have used Real software in a First Post attempt. I failed it hardcore.

features (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869312)

RealPlayer 10 supports RealAudio, RealVideo 10, MP3, Ogg Vorbis and Theora, H263 and AAC

Spyware (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869316)

I'd be very concered about hidden spyware/trojans in these programs based on Real's past releases. Is the RealPlayer/Helix relationship similar to Mozilla/Netscape?

Re:Spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869374)

Yeah, what is the difference between realplayer and helix player?

Re:Spyware (4, Insightful)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869456)


I'd be very concered about hidden spyware/trojans in these programs based on Real's past releases

And just how long do you think that they would get away with that in an open-source project?


K

Re:Spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869486)

Quite a long time. Though they wouldn't be able to start for a while, as the source is probably going to be under actual scrutiny because of the company's reputation.

Re:Spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869599)

I think his concern is more about the Real-branded player than about the open-source core...

RealPlayer/Helix Relationship (5, Informative)

Roguelazer (606927) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869509)

"The Helix Player is the Helix Community's open source media player for consumers. It is being developed to have a rich and usable graphical interface and support a variety of open media formats like Ogg Vorbis, Theora etc. The RealPlayer for Linux is built on top of the Helix Player for Linux and includes support for several non-open source components including RealAudio/RealVideo, MP3 etc."
From the helix site itself. :D

Oggabonafidemediaplayer (2, Interesting)

grunt107 (739510) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869318)

It's about time RP10 came out. Although I did not see a screen shot, the purported UI integration should help it seem more polished. Support for Ogg & AAC are definitely welcome.

Will reserve overall judgement to after the installation and operation of this, however.

helix vs real (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869320)

what's the difference?

Re:helix vs real (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869389)

helix does not support the real player only formats. there is therefore no reason to use helix over the dozens of other players out there unless you particularly like the inter...buffering...face.

Re:helix vs real (2, Informative)

redtux1 (732105) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869682)

Just downloaded it - looks pretty nice, BBC streams actually work now

One question: Why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869347)

Hate to say it, but why on Earth would anyone willingly use RealPlayer? Maybe the Linux version will be different, but I hate the Windows version. Bloated, slow, and full of ads. And where are those near-CD streams? I can find tons of them in MP3 format, but I can't recall the last time I heard a high-res Real stream.

Re:One question: Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869428)

ditto

Re:One question: Why? (5, Insightful)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869601)

I recently tried RealPlayer 10's beta for Linux. It's actually pretty slick (well, it was beta, so it was a bit unstable at times, but hey...) and plays Icecast streams in Ogg Vorbis pretty damn well (and you can get just plain Helix Player for that too, without RealVideo support). It was small, not too slow (Linux versions of RP are never ever slow!) and there's no trace of ads!

Yeah, Windows players are probably hell, but the *NIX players have the history of ruling, at least to small extent =)

But to be perfectly honest, the real reason I switched from RP8 to RP10beta was the support for XVideo extension and actual support for fullscreen playing. Makes watching some videos far less annoying when you don't need to maximize the window and fullscreen mode doesn't eat all processor. And, yuck, RP8 was a Motif app and RP10 uses GTK+2.

Premium content (1)

Scorchio (177053) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869680)

"Willingly" hmmm...

I have a subscription to access premium content provided through Real. As this requires me to use RealPlayer for Windows, I guess I don't use it willingly as such. While the older Linux versions may have played the video fine, it didn't appear to support the login process for premium content. This has brought the transition from Windows to Linux in my household to a grinding halt.

So, has anyone had any luck accessing premium streams with this new version?

Re:One question: Why? (1)

cageyjames (642932) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869697)

Well sure, between WordPerfect and RealPlayer, what more do you need on Linux?

If slashdot used real format... (0, Offtopic)

students (763488) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869378)

instead of HTML, the pages might load faster. Anything to get it fixed. Previewing this comment took 13 seconds.

Moral... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869401)

If you can't beat Microsoft or Apple... go open source?

We're so conflicted (5, Funny)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869460)

Do we hate Real today or do we love them?

Obligatory response... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869725)

We hates them, precious! We hates them forever!

Going against code. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869488)

Yeah, yeah, I know it's slashdot code to hate Real, but they've finally done something good. They continue to support Linux, and gave us the core of their player (which, IMO no longer sucks ass) and we're still criticizing them? Has anyone here even used Realplayer 10 Linux or Helix?

For christ's sake, you're all like one of those Windows users who will never touch Linux again because "it's all command line" or a Mac since "longhorn will have a 3D UI". Give the company another fucking shot, it's not every day we get a decent media player that supports Theora, Vorbis or their own codecs.

Re:Going against code. (5, Interesting)

DMadCat (643046) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869770)

Funny, I've noticed that too.

Nearly everyone in the Linux community agrees that the way to get Linux on the desktop is to entice the big-name software developers to write more programs for Linux.

Then, when one of the most well-known (even if not well liked) companies jumps up and does it, everyone cries and whines about it. Frankly Realplayer didn't do anything a dozen or more other software companies did/still do. They just got caught.

As for Realplayer, my advice would be to download it even if you don't install it. When a company like that supports Linux it's a good idea to at least look like we're supporting them back as a flag to any other companies that may be watching from the fence.

first step? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869493)

what about all the steps before this one? surely one of them makes a better "first" step.

i motion that we call this a great 18309th step.

(the number is made up, but it seems to be in the ball park)

This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869510)

I downloaded the player, its actually quite nice, no ads, aparently no spyware... Maybe this is a good thing.

RealPlayer Enterprise for Windows... (2, Interesting)

joseph schmo (223532) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869527)

I recently downloaded Free Real Player Enterprise (argh, what a mouthful), which doesn't _seem_ to have any spyware at all:

http://www.realnetworks.com/products/rpe/index.htm l [realnetworks.com]

btw, i put bogus personal info into the form and it did not require me to reply to an email in order to download the product.

RealPlayer 10 Does Play RealOne Files! (4, Interesting)

dduardo (592868) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869533)

I just downloaded realplayer 10, but I get this message when trying to play a realone file:

"The content you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is obsolete and no longer supported. Please contact the content provider about using a supported codec."

What's up with this? I got the file from Cdnow.com.
---------

Re:RealPlayer 10 Doesn't Play RealOne Files! (1)

dduardo (592868) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869657)

I knew I should have used the preview button

So how well does it work? (1)

magefile (776388) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869552)

I'm not going to install it quite yet ... so can someone tell me how well it works? When I tried RP9 for Linux (and the Helix beta), it was slow, crash-prone, buggy, and video generally didn't display right.

If it is as good as claimed, I'll be thrilled - there are several organizations I belong to that (for various reasons) only use RealMedia. I'm skeptical for now, but a stable RealPlayer for Linux would be wonderful (no, xine/mplayer are not perfect!).

Re:So how well does it work? (1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869582)

I just installed RealPlayer 10.

It crashed.

I then uninstalled RealPlayer 10. The end.

Re:So how well does it work? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869633)

Well, i can not understand why people here are "talking trash" about RealPlayer 10 and Helix, sure..Real has a bad history but they're finally doing something right. This player is great, I've been using RealPlayer 10 and the release before that for some time, it contains no ads, and i have seen no evidence of it being a spyware. And it supports the Real codec, whatever they call it. Sure, I could get it to work with mplayer/Xine (and I have..) but I don't need to anymore, and now they're destributing the RPMs for Red Hat/Fedora, which is even better for a Fedora user like my, it intergrates into the Gnome desktop and Nautulus like it were a Gnome app. Anyway, try it out.

Re:So how well does it work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869690)

Yeah, it's nice from a doesn't-crash-and-plays-files-well perspective, but the usability isn't so hot. I'm glad it integrates with your Gnome desktop, but it looks sorely out-of-place on any non-Gnome desktop, and you're always clicking the wrong buttons because they're all switched around. I'll keep using Kaffeine/Xine until they fix it.

Yet Another "First Step"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869570)

"Our goal is to make the Linux desktop a first class citizen and we think today's releases are a good first step in that direction."

What makes them think that their crummy software is the first step in Linux's move to the desktop? I mean, do I have to spell it all out? Gnome, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Neverwinter Nights, Doom 3, etc, etc, etc...

Helix Player support for propietary codecs? (1)

Epidemical (740568) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869574)

Can Helix Player play Quicktime, etc.? Xine and mplayer can use binary codecs to play Quicktime and such, but can Helix Player do this, being backed by a competitor?

Theora support (1)

SteamyMobile (783822) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869595)

It's great that this is out, and has Theora [theora.org] support. Now if only I could figure out how to get Mplayer to actually encode things into Theora I could use it.

Getting the plugins to work? (3, Interesting)

Isldeur (125133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869609)


Anybody else get the plugins for mozilla to work? I copied them from the /opt/RealPlayer10/mozilla dir I installed into and I get a:

audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin RealPlayer Plugin Metafile rpm Yes

in the about:plugins, but nothing from news.bbc.co.uk loads.

First Impression (4, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869614)

First, it doesn't require any kind of email registration. Second, it based on GTK - that's great, no more outdated Modif GUI. Let's see how it will be handled. I would like to point out that if we would have two descent Media frameworks - Helix and GStreamer (which still has to mature), then it would be very good. It's nice to see that Real learns something from their past.

Yes ! (3, Insightful)

Mr Europe (657225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869620)

Now there's no reason not to get it in Debian!
Someone please put up a Debian-package !

Real Player 10 vs Helix Player Gold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869624)

Is there any difference between these two? The docs seems a little scetchy on the feature details.

And This is Why Linux Fails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869647)

This is why Linux fails as an operating system. [real.com]


Installation Instructions

- Ensure that the .bin file you downloaded is executable. You can make the .bin file executable by running the "chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin" command from a terminal window.

- Run the .bin file by typing "./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin". Follow the prompts provided to finish installing the player.


Rrriiiggghhhttt. Look Ma, we're back in 1993!

Finally ! (0, Troll)

bushboy (112290) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869650)

Some quality Spyware for Linux !

Sheesh, it's been a long journey for that little penguin, but lets all say it "Linux has come of age" ! ;)

Nice Interface (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869667)

Looks clean but reminds me just a BIT of totem [hadess.net] .

They sure have! (1)

evil-osm (203438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869669)

Our goal is to make the Linux desktop a first class citizen and we think today's releases are a good first step in that direction.

I can attest to this, as they royaly fucked my Windows system the last time I installed Real player on it.

Poisened Waters (4, Interesting)

augustz (18082) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869671)

The sad thing with Real is that they've done such a good job of poisening the waters with previous releases.

When they thought they could play with the big boys (apple, microsoft) they would spam the living daylights out of people, they would load up their player with so much junk it blew your mind, they tookever system settings, popped up message center windows with marketing "alerts".

For a lot of early adopter folks in the open source space it's hard to forget the horrors of real's "customer friendly" policies.

Now they are realizing that they are unlikely to beat Microsoft at it's own game. So they have deceided to try and play with the nice kids. I wonder if management has changed. This feels to me less like a top down thing then someone in the company evangalizing a new approach.

If they had played clean from the start, with their branding etc they would have rocked as a linux player.

I think Novell actually is going to show how a clean playing company can leverage the open source world. They've really done the right thing so far through it all (SCO etc).

Poisened = Poisoned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9869758)

Wow, excuse the bad spelling. Here's to previewing comments before submitting.

- augustz

It doesn't work with Amazon's music clips (4, Insightful)

jonfelder (669529) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869686)

Interesting, when I try to listen to an audio clip on Amazon.com with Real Player 10, I get an error about the codec being too old and no longer supported.

one thing they over stepped their bounds on.. (1)

Hohlraum (135212) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869701)

they replace all the default icon's for whatever codecs they support. Now that sucks ass.

Stuttering (1)

marvin2k (685952) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869734)

The files I play are stuttering even when they're local files and sometimes I have to hit my mouse button several time just to get a response from the app. Does anybody else see this and knows a workaround?

Real's Linux gambit (3, Interesting)

mst76 (629405) | more than 10 years ago | (#9869751)

Microsoft, Apple and Real are the major commercial players in the media player and streaming video market. Microsoft for obvious and Apple for less obvious reasons won't support Linux, so it's a good opportunity for Real to become the dominant player here. At the moment, Linux desktop use doesn't amount to very much. The hope for Real is that it will accellerate in the coming years, especially since they seem to be losing the Windows desktop. Maybe they will become the Mozilla of media players?
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