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McBride Says No More Lawsuits From SCO

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the you've-been-served dept.

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thephotoman writes "Well, Darl McBride gave an interview to IDG News Services in which he said that SCO is not going to sue any more customers. They do bring up the issue of the SCOsource Linux licensing, and how much of a failure it has been. Instead, they plan to start marketing their flavor of Unix. However, as he's not dropping the current lawsuits, there's no good reason to believe him on this change in strategy."

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Good Idea (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872575)

SCO is not going to sue any more customers.

Not suing customers, particularly your own, is usually somewhere high on the list of Winning Business Strategies.

"Smithers, how much did our iron-fisted grab for licensing fees get us?"
"$11,000, last quarter, Sir."
"Ehhxcellent! They must be crowding around like lemmings, eager to hand over their money!"
"Uh, No Sir, it cost us millions to get that much."
"In the parlance of that oafish brute Homer Simpson, D'oh!"

Re:Good Idea (3, Funny)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872603)

Very winning business strategy. You know what's more profitable? A betting pool on when exactly SCO will file their next lawsuit.

Re:Good Idea (1)

bstone (145356) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872693)

A betting pool on when exactly SCO will file their next lawsuit.

But ... Darl said he wasn't going to do that any more.

Of course, if they ever do want to have any more customers, or keep some of the ones they have, perhaps not suing them is a reasonable first step.

Re:Good Idea (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872954)

He also said he would produce extensive and incontrovertible evidence that Linux violated SCO's IP in a timely manner. If the guy told me the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside to make sure it hadn't changed.

Re:Good Idea (5, Informative)

jc42 (318812) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872770)

A betting pool on when exactly SCO will file their next lawsuit.

Yeah. Note that they didn't promise to stop suing non-customers. And that includes all linux users.

Or maybe this time they'll claim that there is stolen SCO code in OSX. That could supply our SCO news fixes for a while.

HA HA (2, Insightful)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872793)

That's like saying M$ no longer makes operating systems because they have too many bugs.

SCO is going to find a new revenue route. And it's going to be nastier than sueing nontechnical grandmothers.

Re:Good Idea (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872991)

Yeah. Note that they didn't promise to stop suing non-customers. And that includes all linux users.

A problem for them, in this regard, would have been a couple of my previous employers. They used both, SCO Unix and Linux for separate purposes. They may not need to be sued, but feel the change in climate and decide to dump SCO. Most companies could care less about the politics of operating system backers, they just want stuff to work and get on with business.

His financial backers turn tail? (5, Insightful)

dhakbar (783117) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872580)

He must have lost his funding.

It seems strange that he would give up for any other reason... he's shown himself to be hell-bent on his mission.

Re:His financial backers turn tail? (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872615)

He must have lost his funding.

Actually, Darl's backers lost their nerve before he lost his.

Burning through a fat wad of cash in endless legal battles does tend to do that. Ask Ashton-Tate, if you ever see them again.

Re:His financial backers turn tail? (2, Funny)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872669)

I would not debase myself....

Re:His financial backers turn tail? (4, Interesting)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872844)

Darl already made millions by inflating the SCO stock so I don't think that he gives a damn what happens to SCO now.

Bottom line? (5, Insightful)

SIGALRM (784769) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872581)

Though SCO's lawsuits against IBM Corp., Novell Inc., DaimlerChrysler AG and AutoZone Inc. have attracted a great deal of attention in the last year, they have not helped SCO's bottom line
And a marketing push for SCO Openserver/Unixware will?

Re:Bottom line? (5, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872682)

Darl has to pretend that Unixware is a viable alternative to everything Linux, but in reality SCO has a more targeted market than that. As I understand it, they have a big presence in areas like point-of-sale terminals at McDonald's. Those kind of high-volume sales will probably continue to form their core business, particularly if they can continue to create FUD as to whether the Linux alternative will be a viable long-term proposition.

Re:Bottom line? (5, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872724)

SCO has one kind of customer, and that is legacy. McDonald's used to use Xenix, and for all I know they still might. If they're still SCO it's only because SCO promised them minimal effort in the upgrade department. Sooner or later they're going to decide they need something SCO can't give them and go to Linux.

Xenix was basically the ideal OS for point of sale applications because it ran entirely reliably on 286 and 386 class machines. Now that point of sale systems are typically pentium or above (celeron, anyone?) there's no reason to be quite so miserly.

Re:Bottom line? (5, Informative)

Lacutis (100342) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872920)

SCO Unix is the operating system used by one of the more popular retail POS systems on the market named Micros.

From http://www.micros.com/products/table_service_resta urants/ :
"8700 Hospitality Management System (HMS)
The 8700 HMS is composed of MICROS-developed application software running on the multi-tasking, multi-user SCO UNIX operating system."

Micros is really popular in the restaurant industry in general.

Re:Bottom line? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873066)

That doesn't surprise me, they've probably been using SCO for ages. But, how long will it be before there's no point whatsoever to using SCO Unix? (Arguably, that time is actually in the past, but they might have a long-running contract or something.)

Re:Bottom line? (1)

snake_dad (311844) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873091)

Well, what a big part of their market used to be was smaller companies. UnixWare isn't a crap OS. I wouldn't call it good either, but for a long time it was a nice option for small budget companies. And then Linux happened :)

Choice quote from the previous vice president of our IT company (about 5 or 6 years ago): "Linux? We won't spend time and energy on that, it is just a hype"

There are no more ISVs left... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872711)

...who would even dare think of writing their apps for the SCO Openserver/Unixware platform anymore. In fact it would not surprise me one bit to hear of all the major players begin to announce dropping all support for their products to run on SCO's flavors of *nix in the very near future.

Re:Bottom line? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872934)

Well, they apparently still have an engineer on staff somewhere.

They just posted to Bugtraq the other day fixing vulnerabilities mentioned in a CERT advisory which was well over a year old. And CERT advisories are usually only issued once the isses raised in them are old hat...

SCO OWNS LINUX! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872582)

SCO OWNS LINUX!

Get over it!

Now if only... (-1, Troll)

TaintedPastry (790856) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872586)

...we could just get Slick Billy (Gates) to say the same thing, World Peace just might be achievable.

Wrong quote (5, Funny)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872589)

To quote Mark Twain, the rumors of our death are greatly exaggerated.

Someone gave McBride the wrong quote. He actually meant to quote Hudson, from Aliens:

"Well that's great, that's just fuckin' great man, now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man... That's it man, game over man, game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"

Re:Wrong quote (4, Funny)

kzinti (9651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872745)

Sontag: How long before we're declared losers can we expect a buyout offer?

Tibbits: Seventeen days.

McBride: Seventeen days? Look man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here...

Sontag: MCBRIDE!

McBride: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA KILL US!

Re:Wrong quote (0, Troll)

evslin (612024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872752)

haha. GAME OVER MAN!

Re:Wrong quote (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872802)

Engage the suit and nuke them in court. It's the only way to be sure.

-- IBM

Re:Wrong quote (1)

vigilology (664683) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872996)

Build a campfire? Sing some songs?

Re:Wrong quote (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873081)

Wow... Aliens has a lot of apropriate quotes:
Ellen Ripley: I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage!

SCO stops sueing? (4, Funny)

zalas (682627) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872596)

What's coming up next, Duke Nukem Forever or Doom 3- .... oh wait...

Re:SCO stops sueing? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872769)

No, he said he'll stop suing customers. Since
SCO has no more customers they can sue anybody
else they want. Actually that last statement was wrong.
SCO has two customers left and neither of them
will be sued.

Re:SCO stops sueing? (2, Interesting)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872792)

I actually hope they come out with Duke Nuekom forever. Just slap that title on a silly old-fashioned side scrolling game. Then we'd get a whole new range of jokes..

hmm... (5, Funny)

Valar (167606) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872597)

I guess the acid finally wore off. Spend millions to extract THOUSANDS!!!!!! in licensing fees. I am trully in awe of your threeleet business skillz, Darlzor.

favorite quote from the article (1)

QEDog (610238) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872876)

According to Darl, everything is fine:

We look into the future and fully expect that we're going to have some sort of a win against IBM in the courtroom. [...] We think that there's a very bright future in the company to return to the model that we had in the past with Unix Systems Laboratories.

Uhm. Yeah Darl. Whatever you dream in Utahland.

Bankrupt (1)

CodeYoddler (674760) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872600)

$20 that they will be bankrupt within a month.

Re:Bankrupt (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872635)

As said in my post above, I'm in for $20 that they sue somebody before that happens.

File it under "duh" (4, Funny)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872602)

McBride says they wont sue their own customers any more, but those "communist, anti-american, pro-terrorist" linux users got them just desserts coming, ayuh.

Re:File it under "duh" (1)

sinnfeiner1916 (793749) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872695)

<i>"communist, anti-american, pro-terrorist" linux users</i>

admitting you have a problem is the first step towards recovery.

Re:File it under "duh" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872768)

Any woe be to any SCO users that defect, because they've just lost their customer status.

SCO Linux? Again? (3, Insightful)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872605)

Instead, they plan to start marketing their flavor of Unix.
Good luck! SCO's pretty much lost the good will of nearly everyone in the computer industry. I doubt people are going to give any legitimate offering from them a second look. Companies that sue their customers will slowly find themselves without customers.

Res judicata (5, Interesting)

lothar97 (768215) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872607)

I think the posting is incorrect regards the "change in strategy." As Darl says in the article:

"I think right now we've got the claims in front of the various courts that we need in order to get our complaints heard and to get them argued and to get resolution. With respect to being more vocal or going after new targets at the customer level, we don't see the need for that. We had the need to get the basic issues on the table, but we're fine to argue the merits of what we have out there right now (in) the current litigation setting."

There's something in law called "res judicata," (incorrect definition here [law.com] ) which means if something is decided by one court, it's binding on a court in another jurisdiction. The definition given is incorrect in stating that it applies only to the parties in the original suit. It can be used against a party in the original suit, if it's the same facts/situation, and the original party had ample and adequate opportunity and reason (motivation) to provide a full defense in the first case.

If there is going to be a lot of cases, usually a company will do several, in different forums/jurisdictions, and see if they get a good result. If they do, such as SCO getting a ruling that all Linux violates their copyright/trade secrets/whatever, then they can use that in subsequent cases when suing. The inverse is also true. If a court finds that SCO is a bunch of mindless jerks that will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes (e.g. their claims are totally without merit), then they really cannot go after anyone else without overcoming some really large hurdles.

Not only do I play an attorney on TV, I am an attorney in real life as well.

They still have customers? (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872609)

"SCO is not going to sue any more customers."

In other words, now that they have no customers, they will only be sueing ex-customers.

From the article... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872762)

As The SCO Group Inc.'s reseller and developer community gathers for its annual SCO Forum convention in Las Vegas this week...

Apparently they still have resellers/developers left too. I assume both of them are going to show up at the party in Vegas for the free booze.

Re:They still have customers? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873074)

Modded as funny, but actually describes the suits against Daimler-Chrysler and Autozone.

This is precisely the reason that if they had anything I was actually interested in I still wouldn't go near them. Who needs to deal with the ever present threat that they might sue you if you simply chose to use or switch to a competing product?

At this point I'd need a contract specifying that they wouldn't sue me, ever, for any reason, even if I burned down their headquarters.

I hardly think I'm alone, so just who do they expect to market their products too?

KFG

I picture this setting in their boardroom (4, Funny)

tekiegreg (674773) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872610)

McBride: We've got to figure out a creative way to market our brand of Unix or Linux will wipe us out. Anybody know how our product is better then any Unix flavor or Linux. We're not leaving this room until we get some ideas!!!

*fast forward 12 hours later nothing said*

McBride's junior exec: Sir, I believe this is known as the "oh sh*t moment in business" sir...

well (1)

jford235 (677581) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872612)

thats awfully nice of him. thanks buddy.

Trying to save the company (1)

oudzeeman (684485) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872613)

Since there doesn't seem to be much hope for the lawsuits, and since the Linux licensing was a flop, for the sake of his company I hope he is being genuine.

Although I wouldn't be heart broken if(when) SCO goes under.

What about C++? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872619)

Are there any plans for SCO to sue Stroustrup over him stealing the C++ programming languages?

I'm sorry (4, Funny)

ajs (35943) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872623)

It's kind of like saying, "I'm sorry I kicked your dog, but I'm not going to be kicking any more dogs because it seems to get dog owners upset," while kicking the dog several times...

My personal opinion is that Darl actually loves Linux, and he's been working as hard as he can to, on Microsoft's dime, paint the anti-Linux crowd as raving maniacs... I mean, he's not really this broken, is he?

You kick my dog! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872668)

This is Kerpal! You kick my dog!

Re:I'm sorry (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872815)

"My personal opinion is that Darl actually loves Linux, and he's been working as hard as he can to, on Microsoft's dime, paint the anti-Linux crowd as raving maniacs... I mean, he's not really this broken, is he?"

In retrospect, I think you're right. It's so surreal, but there was probably no better way to give GNU softare credibility in the business world. Look at how it looks to the corporate world:

Big companies (Daimler/Chysler, etc) use Linux.

Big companies like Linux so much, they'll fight in court to keep using it.

IBM will stand by Linux's IP and defend it legally

HP will stand by Linux's IP if you pay them for indemnification/insurance

The code is so clean, despite being a "unix clone", even the owners of unix can't find any infringing code.

Re:I'm sorry (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873108)

damn it, every time I post as an AC I get modded up.

The beginning of the end... (4, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872625)

This is just confirmation that they have committed corporate suicide. I don't think they would do this unless they'd figured out that they have scared off prospective customers (and partners) and sabotaged their sales efforts. But if things have gotten to that point, McBride telling a magazine they're going to refrain from suing customers in the future has exactly zero chance of restoring enough trust in the company to revive their sales.

No guarantee (4, Interesting)

yamla (136560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872630)

I love Linux. I think SCO's claims are totally without merit. But please remember, just because Darl McBride says he won't sue any more customers does not mean he'll follow through. Remember, he's made all kinds of claims and promises in the past, almost none of which turned out to be true. His lack of honesty (or, optimistically, his lack of knowledge) cuts both ways.

So, if you are an SCO customer, or even if you aren't, and if you run Linux, BSD, or Windows (all of which SCO has stated a claim to), you are still not safe. They may still sue you, even after claiming they won't.

Re:No guarantee (1)

Virtex (2914) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872919)

Darl didn't say anything about non-customers. I can see it now -- their next marketing campaign: We won't sue any of our customers, so take the safe route and become a SCO customer today!

Re:No guarantee (1)

yamla (136560) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873049)

In fact, he claims SCO has no intention of launching new lawsuits against "Linux users" (not just SCO customers), at least until the claims currently in front of the various courts are worked out.

Of course, you could well be right, he may change his mind and claim later that only customers are safe. Of course, this has so far proven incorrect, SCO customers are the least safe.

What? (5, Funny)

theparanoidcynic (705438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872631)

SCO has a product and engineers to maintain it? When the hell? I thought they were just a group of ninja-attack lawyers based out of a defunct Taco Bell store owned by a Microsoft operative . . . . .

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872662)

Drop out the "ninja" part and you're halfway there. If they had ninjas, I think they would have actually won a few fights.

Re:What? (1)

ajservo (708572) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873080)

Ya know, not all ninjas are good ninjas...

I've met some really stupid/poor ninjas in my life...

He didn't say anything about not suing Linux users (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872636)

who are not SCO customers...

Verbally (3, Insightful)

usefool (798755) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872637)

Verbal statement is nothing, SCO could be planning for another lawsuit while everybody's relaxed enough to step into a trappy.

A trappy is like a trap except there's nothing in it, but this doesn't stop people from being frightened by it.

One reason: Lawsuit department too busy... (2, Funny)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872642)

playing Doom 3.

Re:One reason: Lawsuit department too busy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872808)

Uh, which side are they on? The Marines, or the demon spawn from hell? "Oh my God! The portal to Hell has opened up, and we're being invaded by LAWYERS!!!"

Re:One reason: Lawsuit department too busy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872974)

The weirdest thing about Doom 3 is how in the future we'll be a advanced enough to be able to bring hellspawn into this world (not taking about Darl McBride), but we can't manufacture and issue our troops a regular weapon+flashlight combo.

Not helping... (3, Funny)

Greg Larkin (696202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872651)

News like this really isn't helping Darl's attempt to become more evil than Satan.

Darl vs. Satan [cgi.sfu.ca]

It's The Platform, Stupid (2, Interesting)

aredubya74 (266988) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872653)

Ah Darl. Silly, silly Darl. SCO Unix had its day 7-8 years ago, when Linux was still a hobby. The key market they owned was the x86 commodity hardware Unix. Linux absolutely owns x86 hardware-based *nix now, official Unix name or not. No ounce of marketing muscle you could possibly muster will change that fact. You're dead. Go away. And no, "Linux" didn't steal your IP, which you're quietly admitting now. Thanks for the 2+ year roadblock. Now fuck off.

Only customers? (1)

graveyardduckx (735761) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872656)

Ok, so they aren't going to file suit against their customers... are they going to stop filing suits against everyone else?

Summary (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872657)

Well damn, we've really screwed ourselves and this has been a whole failure. Sorry everyone, we're going to stop being jackasses and pretend we have a business and get some marketing going along those lines. We have to keep the existing lawsuits going because we don't want to look like complete idiots. If you could just forget about the last 18 or so months, it would be appreciated.

The article's title is incorrect. (5, Interesting)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872661)

Darl never actually says they're going to stop suing customers. What the actual interview says is:
McBride: Rather than trying to pound through all of those issues on a daily basis, we've been content to say, "We're going to work our issues through the courtroom, and when everything is resolved there, we'll be good to go . . .
IDGNS: By saying you're fine with things, do you mean that you don't expect to be launching any new lawsuits against Linux users?
McBride: I think right now we've got the claims in front of the various courts that we need in order to get our complaints heard and to get them argued and to get resolution. With respect to being more vocal or going after new targets at the customer level, we don't see the need for that.
At best, he's promising to stop customers for now, which is nothing more than acknowledging that this is all they can do at the moment. Without a win in IBM and/or Novell, SCO can't win customer lawsuits. They would all end like AutoZone; the judge would tell them to wait until the other cases are done. Or worse, like Daimler-Chrysler, which got thrown unceremoniously out of court with DC's lawyers entering sarcastic letters into evidence about how they did not verify the CPUs the code was not installed on because DC hadn't used the stuff in seven years. Since SCO has no other choice, they make contented noises like everything is going their way. But everything he's saying is predicated on winning both the IBM and the Novell lawsuits and then figuring out a way to get customers to pay SCO. And none of the court cases have been going SCO's way.

Nothing to see here. Just Darl's usual nonsense.

Last line of the posting (4, Funny)

Macrobat (318224) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872689)

"However, as he's not dropping the current lawsuits, there's no good reason to believe him on this change in strategy."

That should read, "However, as it's Darl McBride, there's no good reason to believe him at all."

Speechless? (1)

dacarr (562277) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872705)

I really don't know what to say here. On the surface, it looks like a Big Win for the *nix community, but in the grand scheme of things they're doing the right thing. We now have to wait and see what the courts are going to do in the cases against Autozone and DC Motors - and if the other issues are any indication, it may just be "nothing" - or nothing of significance.

Something's not right here... (3, Insightful)

Snap E Tom (128447) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872709)

Cloudscape donated to Apache, new Helix, Open-XChange going GPL, now this...

Things are going too well. Look for Microsoft patent lawsuits to be unleashed tomorrow.

Oh, yeah.. (5, Interesting)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872712)

Exactly who in their right mind would buy SCO Unix?

With features like:

Risking having to migrate again in a year or two when they're bankrupt?

No 2Gb+ file support

No 64-bit support

Ever-diminishing support from the OSS community, which ironically provides the most useful server apps for the platform?

Risk future lawsuits from SCO if you do migrate?

I mean.. SCO Unix has been uncompetitive for years now, while their management has been throwing all their effort into last-ditch lawsuits.

Naturally.. it's all bullshitness as usual from SCO. But it's always worth the debunking, in case someone actually thought SCO had something of value.

Re:Oh, yeah.. (5, Interesting)

hurfy (735314) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873126)

In case you are wondering, since we have one of the rare 2004 copies of SCO software. A third party vendor is still selling them as part of their accounting package because thats what it has always used and stability is priority number one (or damned close). None of the customers are gonna risk a $50k accounting package gettign messed up to see if it works on something else. I imagine there are other third party vendors the same. SCO sure better hope so since ours probably only uses a couple dozen copies a year! All the issues listed are not issues for these uses. Support is from the third party anyway, dont need SCO ;) We dont use 2G files or 64-bit systems to run it. I doubt many of the users mess with the unix stuff at all so other programs availble dont enter into it. Anyone doing their own thing on Unix would probably have a running box and not buy the preloaded one anyway. They are still out there, but the vendors using it seem to be small specialty programmers. Dont really blame them for using what worked. Course that didnt keep me from giving them a hard time about it ;p

Back to the future? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872716)

He actually says "Back to the future"? How about this for back to the future:

"You're now hearing those guys talking about incorporating the Unix technology into Longhorn. "

Um, NT has used components from UNIX since before Darl could spell "SCO". They have huge chunks of the BSD networking code (look for license strings in the binaries) and unlike USL they didn't file the Berkeley copyrights off.

Not to mention that the original SCO's first product was "Microsoft Xenix". And it was much faster on our old PC/XTs and PC/ATs than the first versions of Windows... I think I've still got the manuals somewhere.

Anyway, there's Microsoft copyrights all through SCO's code.

Crowing about Microsoft "incorporating the Unix technology" is like crowing about GM using your "new internal combustion technology".

It's so 1984...

Translation... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872719)

Both customers were sued...

In related news... (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872721)

Slashdotters will no longer hold 'Darl McBeat-Down Planning Meetings'.

The next one is at the Mall of America @ Camp Snoopy, BTW. 7pm. Bring tokens!

sounds good (1)

EvilSheep (40230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872738)

1. shoot self in foot
2. empty cartridge into foot
3. market product instead?
4. profit!?

Wishful thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872742)

If we see a courtroom victory against IBM, than obviously that number will jump up significantly. Its Called Wishful thinking

Darl is a sick F*#K (2, Insightful)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872744)

McBride saying "No More Lawsuits" is like an alchoholic saying "No more alchohol" after beating on his wife and kids.

Who knows, maybe there's some 12-step program he can join.

How can you tell when Darl is lying? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872747)

Easy -- his lip are moving!

At this point, I beleive a state from SCO about what they will do in the future carries an information content of zero.

Darl McBride's Island (5, Funny)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872749)

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip
That started from a "Unix Port"
Aboard a sinking ship.

The mate was a mighty selling man
The skipper wasn't sure
Six passengers sat sail back then
For a legal language tour (a legal language tour)

The language started getting rough
The chrysler case was tossed (almost)
If not for the "courage" of the fearless crew
The lawsuits would be lost (the lawsuits would be lost)

The ship held ground on the shore of this
Old Mormon Desert Isle
With Billy Gates
And Ballmer too
Some millionaire
Named McBride
A Courtroom Star
McNealy and Canadians
Here on Darl McBride's Isle

Engage Universal Translator! (4, Funny)

raytracer (51035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872755)

TRANSLATOR ENGAGED:

We know from our experience in bringing suits against customers like Daimler-Chrysler that we are unlikely to reach settlements which generate cash for SCO. We are unwilling however to fold our cards on other corporate lawsuits, having tossed so much money into the pot. After all, the judge could show up drunk. _pause_. Hey, go order a case of schnapps and send it to the judge with our compliments.

SCO UNIX you say?! Sign me up! (2, Funny)

Kurt Gray (935) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872774)

I definately want to invest my entire IT budget into the flagship product of company that is surrounded with the stench of certain failure. How much is it? $699 per CPU you say? Is that all? Well that's just giving it away! Here, I'll pay you $5000 per CPU because the more I pay the more I get my money's worth, right? I mean afterall you get what you pay for and nothing is free, right? My CEO will be so happy with my informed decision to bank our IT operations on SCO products and support.

Risking sanctions (5, Interesting)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872779)

It is not just the issue of expenditure of money and time to fight the lawsuits, if they bring more -- but the risk of sanctions.


In Damler, the judge threw out most of their case, so they can't argue that the next one is brought in good faith.

pissing all over your consumer base (1)

spacerodent (790183) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872782)

I wonder if they are just now figuring out pissing all over your cunsumer base is a bad idea. Pretty much everyone who is studying computers and programing right now hates the SCO. They think of them as horrible throwbacks and a sign of everything that is wrong with the software industry. Now the SCO is realizing what this does to the bottom line. These same nerds eventually end up with a job in a major company and make decisions not to use SCO products. Simple and highly effective. I hope the same thing happens to the RIAA.

Did Darl really say this??? (5, Funny)

kwelch007 (197081) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872817)

Quote "We think in the future, software developers are going to be more motivated by getting paid for their work rather than contributing and not getting paid."

Um. Ya. I haven't cared about getting paid so far. I'll think about that in the future.

Sheesh.

Re:Did Darl really say this??? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873104)

Thing is, there are thousands of Open Source / Free Software developers who DO get paid for their work. RedHat, SUSE, Mandrake, IBM, Sun, and hundreds of other commercial companies pay people to write free software.

When Darl says something like this he just proves he has no clue how the Open Source community actually works.

What if... (4, Interesting)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872842)

Whenever I see Darl in the news I always think "What if.."

What if, instead of pursuing hopeless litigation against other behemoth companies, you just tried to please the customers you had and try to make your product a better product?

They would have failed, yes. Probably. But, who knows? Maybe they would have been able to garner a reputation for good service, and hold onto their core base for a longer time then they are now. Maybe they could have even segued into providing linux solutions, and made partnerships with other major companies (like IBM) instead of suing.

Would SCO be a more successful company if they had? They might have failed yes, but they would have a good reputation, and they might have even been successful (or bought out), if they had played their cards right. Alas, they threw it all to the wind on a shot-the-moon scenario that will only end in tears for everyone.

It just saddens me that people have such a lack of perspective.

No New Lawsuits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872853)

A probable backpedal: "I didn't say 'No New Lawsuits', I meant 'No GNU lawsuits.' I mean, a gnu is an animal.. not anything related to linux, so if I sue Home Depot that's not GNU! Er damn linux is GNU/Linux. Hmm i'll have to work on that again.."

Darl Still Dillusional. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872924)

"We look into the future and fully expect that we're going to have some sort of a win against IBM in the courtroom." - Darl McBride

Nice to know they've still got access to some excellent drugs in Utah...

SCO Forum (3, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872930)

From the article:
...SCO has apparently chosen to make the company's core Unix business, and not its legal adventures, the center of this year's show.

Can you imagine what it'd be like if they hadn't decided this?

"Alright! Welcome to this year's Forum! We've got some exciting things to discuss this year. Now... before we start... how many of you are Solutions Providers and Software Engineers? How many hands? That many. Huh. I have no idea why you guys are here. Now... how about the lawyers? How many? Yeah! Hello. And Buisness Strategists from other companies competing against Linux solutions? Hello! Good crowd! We've got some really exciting news for all you guys...!"

Granted - any solution providers who DO show up should still be asking themselves what they're doing there.

What he meant to say was.... (1)

Gigantic1 (630697) | more than 10 years ago | (#9872942)

Translation: "Due to the fact that the courts will not allow us to successfully pursue additional lawsuits until the lawsuit with IBM is settled, we won't be pursueing additional lawsuits in the near future. Uh...especially considering the fact that IBM has been handing our arse to us on a silver platter."

FLASH FLASH FLASH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9872953)

FLASH // PERSONAL FOR SCO PATROL
REPORT DISTRIBUTION //
FM USS MICROSOFT, MS-1, RADM BALLMER
TO COMSCOUTAH
SUBJ DIRECTIVE 0802
TOP SECRET TERMINAL RUN
AUTHENTICATOR TWO SIX NINE ECHO MIKE FOUR
AUTHENTICATE ONE FIVE FOUR NOVEMBER DELTA
FOXTROT QUEBEC TANGO //BT//
1. (TS) QUIT WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING.
2. (TS) YOU ARE SCREWING IT UP FOR EVERYONE.
3. (TS) ALL FUNDING FOR FUTURE VENTURES, CUT.
4. (TS) FINISH CURRENT PATROL.
5. (TS) GOOD HUNTING AND REMAIN UNDETECTED.
6. (TS) BURN THIS AFTER YOU HAVE READ, JUST TO BE SURE.
7. (TS) LOVE AND KISSES. STRONG MESSAGE FOLLOWS.
8. (TS) AUTHOR OF TERMINAL RUN, BILL GATES, SENDS. //BT//

ha ha (obligatory fuck sco post) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873010)

FUCK SCO.

Interview did its job. (4, Interesting)

CedgeS (159076) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873026)

As I would have expected, and was the sole intent of these responses, the SCOX stock price [yahoo.com] took a nice step up on Monday following the interview in which SCO's CEO heighlighted SCO's other enterprises.

Cost of Doing (Suing) Business (1)

GrnArmadillo (697378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873027)

SCO's got a bunch of lawsuits going against people with a lot more money than they've got. (Not counting the smackdown they got from I think it was Autozone.) He's probably telling the truth that they won't be suing anyone else right now - I doubt they can afford the expenses. A few wins as precedents and that cost/benefit equation may change but for now....

McBride is sexist (0, Offtopic)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873033)

Note how Darl always uses the informal "guys" when referring to a group of people, such as:

those guys talking about incorporating the Unix technology into Longhorn

Are there not any woman that work at Microsoft?

So IBM does what...? (2, Funny)

ajservo (708572) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873040)

Does Darl think that they'll drop their countersuits at this news? Like a sociopath moving into a hippie commune "We're not crazy anymore... We've changed! We love everyone now. ALL BETTER!"

Netcraft Confirms It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873043)

SCO is dying...

"One question" (5, Insightful)

boots@work (17305) | more than 10 years ago | (#9873052)

As The SCO Group Inc.'s reseller and developer community gathers for its annual SCO Forum convention in Las Vegas this week, one question on many attendees' minds will be whether the company's future will be as a software vendor or as a litigator.

The answer is No, they do not have a future as a software vendor or litigator.

Mission Failed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9873113)

Looks like 'Operation Tie-Linux-Up-With-Litigation-To-Buy-Time-Cos-Longh orn-Aint-Ready' failed miserably!

Surely now Darl has to land on a Carrier with a 'Mission Acomplished' banner behind him? :)
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