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Doom 3 Gets Reviews, Piracy Questions, Exultation

simoniker posted about 10 years ago | from the all-of-the-above dept.

PC Games (Games) 1319

Yeti Von Baseball writes "Now that Doom 3 has officially shipped to stores, Computer Gaming World just posted its Doom 3 review - they also posted about 100 or so new screens." Elsewhere, GameSpy has an in-progress weblog and first-look impressions on the "claustrophobic corridors" of the game, Telefragged posted one of the first reviews, praising "a grand slam of action, story, atmosphere, and pure terror", the BBC reports on how "potential sales could be hit by the extent of online piracy of the game", and Time Magazine has a feature on Doom 3 and id.

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The Doom 3 piracy troll... (1, Funny)

dhakbar (783117) | about 10 years ago | (#9873851)

That troll post is bound to show up many times in this discussion.

Oh teh horror!

Re:The Doom 3 piracy troll... (1, Insightful)

thinkninja (606538) | about 10 years ago | (#9873953)


That was my first thought when I saw the story :)

The second was "how long until Linux binaries are available?"

I just got it. (3, Informative)

sharkb8 (723587) | about 10 years ago | (#9873855)

Multiplayer sucks. bad.

four player only (2, Interesting)

sbszine (633428) | about 10 years ago | (#9873880)

It's just four players in multiplayer mode, right? Carmack was saying something about leaving eight person multiplayer to the modding community (as you'd have to play at less than 100% eye candy / framerate to support it).

Re:I just got it. (5, Insightful)

craenor (623901) | about 10 years ago | (#9873905)

Perhaps I am being naive, but I really don't see the multiplayer support as being that big of an issue.

Unreal Tournament and others have filled the niche of playing head to head rather well. No one cares as much about the graphics quality, the omg lighting effects, the dark horror of the story...they care about fragging that bastard who just got the rocket pack you were headed for.

Doom 3 seems much more a single player game and well appreciated for it. I expect that in time, multiplayer will be beefed up some and become more viable. But for the time being, this is a single player game that seems to be kicking ass at showcasing great effects, great design and a good story-line.

Re:I just got it. (4, Interesting)

cozziewozzie (344246) | about 10 years ago | (#9873960)

More to the point, the multiplayer aspect will be handled by Quake4, which will be based on the new Doom engine.

Until then, Quake3 scene is still alive, especially finely-tweaked competition mods such as CPMA [] .

Re:I just got it. (5, Insightful)

phrasebook (740834) | about 10 years ago | (#9873940)

Thanks for sharing the good news. There aren't enough high quality games focused on the single player as it is. You want multiplayer, go play all the rest.

freakin great (1, Informative)

aderusha (32235) | about 10 years ago | (#9873858)

downloaded it a couple days ago cause i just couldn't wait, then bought it today as it hit the shelves. do youreself a favor - upgrade your pc then BUY THIS GAME!

Re:freakin great (4, Interesting)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | about 10 years ago | (#9873987)

Give it more than an hour, and you'll want your money back. I mean, the graphics are spiffy and sound is engrossing. I even jumped the first 8 or 9 times a monster jumped out at me. But after an hour and a half of the *exact* same thing, it begins to wear thin.

The description of this game was right, a remake of the original Doom, with new graphics. That's it. Nothing new in terms of gameplay. Sneak around. Get spooked. Empty your clip into a zombie. Move on to the next room. Ho-hum.

Glad I "tried it before I bought it." I'll be deleting it soon enough.

Re:freakin great (5, Insightful)

eliza_effect (715148) | about 10 years ago | (#9874040)

What FPS have you played that didn't involve primarily going from room to room and shooting things? Half-Life, the previous holder of the "best single player FPS" crown was exactly the same. Walk, shoot, repeat. It's all about presentation, which both games have done very well at.

Re:freakin great (4, Funny)

black mariah (654971) | about 10 years ago | (#9874053)

It's an FPS, what the fuck did you expect? A full-fledged baseball simulation replete with ragdoll crotch scratching physics?

First Phobos!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873860)

First Phobos!!!

Odd Ratings (4, Informative)

cephyn (461066) | about 10 years ago | (#9873865)

I'm curious to see what it gets. I noticed on that all the earliest magazine reviews gave it a 9.4 -- the site members were giving it about an 8.6. It did strike me as odd that the first 3 reviews were exactly the same rating...but I guess that's not impossible.

So what's next for id software..? (1)

js3 (319268) | about 10 years ago | (#9873866)


No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873874)


Re:So what's next for id software..? (1)

b374 (799492) | about 10 years ago | (#9873907)

Guess we'll see this [] before Doom 4...

Re:So what's next for id software..? (5, Informative)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9873920)

they said they're doing something totally new... quake 4 is being done by someone else, and the wolfenstein series is being done by someone else.. so they're doing something totally new this time around and they should be starting on it soon.

Re:So what's next for id software..? (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9873977)

btw.. i got this from the Icons video that was posted on here about doom 3 within the past 2 weeks or so. carmack stated he was going to do something new.

here is the link to the story []

jesus. (0, Offtopic)

c0dedude (587568) | about 10 years ago | (#9873876)

Jesus F. Christ. 0 comments and already slashdotted. I mean, really, editors. Jeez. Give us mirrors. Slashdot is a page whose main content isn't in the articles, it's in the links and comments. If the links are gone, the comments become troll, offtopic, or generally stupid. Do something to protect the content, please.

Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873879)

Jon is the legendary programmer of such classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the OpenGL 3d format over Microsoft's competing Direct3d format, as well as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined gaming on PC's.

Now stop for a moment and think, What would have happened if Albert Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he simply sits around coding violent computer games.

Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is yes.

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine? Doom. It's always the same story: Troubled youth plays doom or quake, he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?

Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people. I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank. Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society. Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.

It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence to wreak havoc on society.

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (1, Troll)

3dartist (802495) | about 10 years ago | (#9873922)

Carmack didn't program anything for Unreal. It was developed by epic and digital extremes. I know. Since your facts are wrong, your post has no credability. ;)

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874033)

incorrect spelling isnt too good for credibility either :)

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | about 10 years ago | (#9874050)


Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873936)

What happened to your cousin is great! I'm an Otaku/Gamer/Hacker thanks to video games too!


Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873965)

This isn't a troll. It's so obviously a joke post that whoever modded it as a troll so obviously has no sense of humor.

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0, Troll)

duckpoopy (585203) | about 10 years ago | (#9873990)

Coding is as much a gift as auto repair or plumbing. There is a reason you don't see "Teach yourself physics in 24 hours" books.

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873997)

Carmack could have been working for NASA

Close enough. []

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874018)

gee, lighten up fella. besides, thats just silly. everybody nows that dukenukem was really responsible for the columbine thing and not doom.

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874027)

Wow, not even a good troll.

First off, it's John, not "Jon".

Secondly, you mention that he could be working at NASA, well hey guess what? He's been working for the past 2 years on a rocket to put a man in space [] . I'm sure you have contributed so much to society. I bet people 100 years from now will look back and thank heavens that you just posted your comment to Slashdot. Now shut your pie hole and go back to sucking your mom's teat.

Re:Lets talk about Jon Carmack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874048)

thanks for playing 8. shtml

I bought my copy today (5, Informative)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9873887)

And it's good :) doesn't run so hot on my setup though..
amd athlon xp 2400+
512mb ddr 400
7200rpm hard drive
nvidia geforce 4 ti 4400 (128mb)

it doesn't detect my surround sound setup (sb live! with klipsch pro media 4.1's)
it runs at medium detail @ 640x480 and gets pretty choppy in places...
my only complaint so far is that it's so dark that even the flashlight doesn't even really let you see much (i'm trying not to turn my brightness up but it seems i may have to so i don't keep running into guard rails and such)...
overall though.. i think the intro was a bit long.. i wanna kill stuff.. and kill it i shall... after the 15-20 minute introduction :-/ great for the story.. bad for my trigger finger

Re:I bought my copy today (1)

madowl (516811) | about 10 years ago | (#9873958)

Out of curiousity, what specs are people running for the game? I know I'm going to have upgrade somewhat (and the specs are listed out there) but I was wondering if anyone had any good hardware configs that worked but weren't listed.

Re:I bought my copy today (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 10 years ago | (#9874056)

AMD Athlon XP 2200+
GeForce4 Ti4600

Is what I have, so if you have similar components, or better you should be fine. It runs VERY nice on my computer, and looks excellent too.

Get rid of all ambient light (3, Informative)

Nailer (69468) | about 10 years ago | (#9873972)

my only complaint so far is that it's so dark that even the flashlight doesn't even really let you see much (i'm trying not to turn my brightness up but it seems i may have to so i don't keep running into guard rails and such)...

People used to say the same thing about Quake 1. However, if you got rid of all ambient light and played, you could see everything you were supposed to and without the washed out-ness that comes from upping your gamma too far.

Re:I bought my copy today (4, Informative)

gedanken (24390) | about 10 years ago | (#9873973)

Doom3 does not use creative's app to determine if you are capable of using surround sound. Be sure to look in the windows audio settings found in the control panel and be sure that that is set to the speaker setup that you have.

Re:I bought my copy today (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9874022)

ok i played with the settings in the control panel.. it now uses surround sound in doom 3.. thanks for that tip!

Re:I bought my copy today (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873979)

Not to mention none of the guns have a flashlight attached to them. I mean in this entire complex they don't have ANY duct tape?

Re:I bought my copy today (0, Offtopic)

_|()|\| (159991) | about 10 years ago | (#9873981)

i think the intro was a bit long.. i wanna kill stuff..

Reminds me of the start of Jedi Knight II. I really wanted that light sabre.

Re:I bought my copy today (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873985)

Your graphics card is definately the bottleneck, the rest of your rig should do just fine, just get a faster graphics card.

Re:I bought my copy today (2, Interesting)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 10 years ago | (#9874021)

Interesting, because my system is close to yours in power:

AMD Athlon XP 2200+
GeForce4 Ti4600

And it runs smoooooth on medium setting, and looks awesome, better than anything else I've ever played.

I agree that it is dark, but I think that's just to add to the horror of the game. In most parts of the game, the use of dark spots, light, and shadows, really adds a level of creepiness that you just don't see in any other game. They really pulled off the lighting well in this.

Re:I bought my copy today (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9874046)

odd.. your setup is different. i guess i'll update my video drivers (i think they're up to date but i'll double check) and defrag and see if that helps any.

it runs pretty good.. but does get choppy in areas.. it's TOTALLY playable though, not sure how it'll be with more characters on screen but we'll see soon enough.

i understand there reasoning behind the dark stuff. i'm trying to get past it without during the brightness up but the beginning was offly dark .. i think my screen's brightness might be a tad low. anyone have a good screen brightness calibration for this kind of stuff?

similar setup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874051)

I wonder how my computer will run this game. I hope I can run 640 x 480 with high detail.

AthlonXP 2500+
1024MB ddr @ 333mhz
Sapphire Radeon 9600XT 256MB

I also hope it doesn't kill my radeon...

Re:I bought my copy today (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874102)

i found the intro short, compared to half life. you find out very little information. i found that if u up the brightness it doesnt affects the lighting, it prob is a side-effect(feature) of the lighting engine. im just waiting for a multyplayer mod to come out that has dark maps and just to stay in a dark corner, camping redefined.

The $200 bucks question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873890)

will it look good in my really old ATI Radeon 7500 card?

Re:The $200 bucks question is... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874062)

yes it will! in fact John Karmak said it will run at insane resolution and realistic detail on old CGA video cards!

Go and buy 2 copies as that will allow you to hold twice as many guns and do the two shotgun trick!

really it will! the reviews and all other press that has been out for months are lying.

Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873893)

I pirate games all the time...even though most of those just get uninstalled a day later. Even I bought Doom 3. Its fun ;-)

Buy Directly From Developer (5, Insightful)

MooseByte (751829) | about 10 years ago | (#9873900)

I'm going to buy Doom3 from id directly at the id Store [] . When there's a game I really get a lot out of (or plan to in this case), I try to buy directly from the developer to give them as big a cut of the pie as I can. They get full SRP instead of what's left from the middle man.

My way of thanking companies that still create good titles.

Re:Buy Directly From Developer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873921)

I can't find a product listing for Doom 3. Can someone provide a direct link to where I can purchase Doom 3?

Re:Buy Directly From Developer (1)

MooseByte (751829) | about 10 years ago | (#9873995)

"I can't find a product listing for Doom 3. Can someone provide a direct link to where I can purchase Doom 3?"

The id Store doesn't get any special shipments to my knowledge, so they may be waiting for the official(?) sale date of Aug. 5th.

Re:Buy Directly From Developer (5, Interesting)

eliza_effect (715148) | about 10 years ago | (#9873962)

That's a very good idea. I am all for giving id Software as much money as is feasibly possible for this game, and giving EBGames/Gamestop as LITTLE money as possible for ANYTHING.

Can't get too excited about this....sorry. (1)

spamster (766232) | about 10 years ago | (#9873901)

Its seems I've played this game before in many different incarnations: Castle Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake 1-3, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Half-Life, Jedi Knight 1 and 2, Star Trek Elite Force....etc...etc...

Slashdotted (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873909)

With the apparent slashdotting, I don't believe their webserver has enough oomph to run Doom 3.

telefragged - technology: 93% (5, Insightful)

Alban (86010) | about 10 years ago | (#9873910)

I've always been curious as to how you can rate the technology down to a single percent. Same goes for all the other parts of the game (interface 92%, Grpahics 95%).

Most sites have (wisely) abandonned such an approach and rather go with a 1-5 scale or A,B,C,D,E ratings (with +/-).

I mean come on...

Re:telefragged - technology: 93% (1)

MarsDefenseMinister (738128) | about 10 years ago | (#9873986)

My own personal feeling is that the technology is 963599 out of 1000000. Would have gotten 963600, but points were subtracted for using the undocumented instructions on my Z80 processor.

100 Doom III Screenshots? (5, Funny)

Alphanos (596595) | about 10 years ago | (#9873913)

... they also posted about 100 or so new screens.

Come on, linking to 100 screenshots of Doom III in a slashdot blurb? That's just cruel.

Re:100 Doom III Screenshots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874054)

Yes, I didn't even bother clicking the link, I figured there's no way that server's still up and running.

Re:100 Doom III Screenshots? (5, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | about 10 years ago | (#9874061)

Why did they even bother with screenshots? I can get a slideshow with as many screenshots as I want by switching to Extreme Quality mode...

I hope there's some content (1)

xRelisH (647464) | about 10 years ago | (#9873916)

I hope this game isn't just another expose for id's new engine. I've heard there's actually a very immersive single player campaign, I hope the multiplayer is as strong. I haven't bought this game, nor do I plan to ( don't feel like plunking down $2000 for an upgrade, and also I'm afraid of being addicted ). However, I'm a supporter of id ( ok call me a fanboy ), so I'd like to see them succeed.

Re:I hope there's some content (2, Interesting)

eliza_effect (715148) | about 10 years ago | (#9873993)

I was worried about the same thing. Thankfully, it's the best singleplayer experience I've had since Half-Life (and, I'd venture to say it may be better than Half-Life, which many would say was the previous "Gold Standard"). It wasn't built for multiplayer first, obviously, but it seems like it could be fun. I haven't had a chance to blast too many people yet, though.

piracy (3, Insightful)

chachob (746500) | about 10 years ago | (#9873917)

The large amount of piracy of this game (30000 people on one torrent the other day) can be largely attributed to the amount of hype surrounding this game. it could be said that id did this to itself by hyping this game up a bit too much. im sure, however, that Doom3's sales will provide quite a hefty amount of profit for id and its employees, as there is quite a large amount of the population that still believes in supporting the developers.

Re:piracy (2, Insightful)

miike (770833) | about 10 years ago | (#9873956)

You can't name a game Doom without causing hype. Hell, even the fact that it is created by id causes hype. Everyone want's to see what they have come up with this time.

Re:piracy (3, Insightful)

Grrr (16449) | about 10 years ago | (#9873989)

it could be said that id did this to itself

Maybe in Bizarro World. But in this universe, thieves are responsible for the thefts.


Re:piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874104)

"But in this universe, thieves are responsible for the thefts."

And shills are responsible for making people think copying is the same as theft. You wanna pay for it, good for you. I'd give you a shiny Good Consumer badge, but your horse is too high for me to reach.

Re:piracy (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | about 10 years ago | (#9874010)

Not to mention a hefty profit for the hardware folks. From

At the very least, PC hardware manufacturers stand to gain, given the game's sizable system requirements. Graphic chip manufacturer nVidia (NVDA: Research, Estimates), in particular, hopes to see a sales bump, as id Software, developers of "Doom 3," have named its GeForce FX as the recommended card for the game.

Any one here know if Doom will play decently (on something like 800X600) on a system like this?:

Athlon 2400+ on a nForce2 chipset board
GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB VRAM

I really haven't been into games lately but this title seems to be worht getting, provdied that I don't have to spend money to upgrade any hardware.

Re:piracy (1) troll (593289) | about 10 years ago | (#9874049)

should, might have to lower the quality a bit (namely texture compression, 128mb is the low-medium end. they say the textures fully uncompressed are ~500mb.)

Re:piracy (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | about 10 years ago | (#9874059)

That brings up another interesting question. What do you think will look better, 800X600 with low texture quality or 640X480 with higher texture quality?

Re:piracy (1)

thinkninja (606538) | about 10 years ago | (#9874044)

Plus the fact that it's only available internationally between 3 and 10 days after it was first seen on store shelves in the US.

Re:piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874095)

I think a lot of people downloaded it who may have already paid for or have pre-orders still pending. I was tempted to download it myself even though I've paid for my copy in full and not yet received it. So much more convenient.

Re:piracy (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 10 years ago | (#9874103)

are you insane? the rampant piracy of this game has Caused the closing of ID as well as the liquidation of Armadillio aerospace.

I saw 2 of the top developers panhandling on the street while the Art director was screaming at the sky "WHY LORD! WHY! did they steal our art and pervert it to their end??" Just before he plunged to his death.

Piracy is not only illegal, it ruins lives....

Look at what it did to the RIAA artists.. and now our beloved ID is gone....

Damn you pirates! Damn you all to hell!

Release dates (5, Interesting)

RonnyJ (651856) | about 10 years ago | (#9873934)

One problem that contributes to piracy is release dates. In the UK, Doom 3 will be released on the 13th, and, being such a long awaited game, it's inevitable that people here will download it, rather than waiting for over a week longer than those living in the US.

Re:Release dates (3, Insightful)

Makarakalax (658810) | about 10 years ago | (#9873996)

That sums me up exactly. I'm at 55% right now and have the game pre-ordered and paid for at the shop already.

I joined the torrent when I found out this morning that the 13th August release date was true and not just a terrible rumour.

Re:Release dates (0, Flamebait)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#9874067)

So if one week justifies theft, how long would it take to justify murder? I'm just trying to figure out the sliding scale of morality based on time you seem to use.

Re:Release dates (1)

LardBrattish (703549) | about 10 years ago | (#9874093)

It takes at least a week to put in all of the extra copy protection. After all you know Europe is such a hotbed of piracy - not like Singapore (where I once picked up a legit copy of a game a whole MONTH before it's UK release...)

Experiences thus far: (5, Informative)

bravehamster (44836) | about 10 years ago | (#9873938)

I've got 4 computers at my disposal of various capabilities, and this is how Doom3 has run on them:

XP 2600
Ati Rad 9800 Pro
2 x WD Raptor striped raid
1GB PC3200 Corsair

Can run smooth on High settings at 800x600, AA disabled. Game looks fantastic


XP 2000
Geforce FX 5200
80GB 2mb buffer maxtor
512MB PC2700 Generic

Barely runs at 640x480. Framerates are in the 10-20 range. Would not recommend purchasing if you have similar specs. Upgrading the CPU or video card would have the largest impact.


P4 2.4Ghz B
ATI Radeon 9500
512MB PC2100
2 x 80GB Maxtor Striped RAID

Runs smooth on Medium settings at 640x480, or Low at 800x600. Definitely playable.


Haven't tried the 4th yet, but I don't hold much hope. It's an XP 1600 w/ GF4 Ti4200.

Re:Experiences thus far: (1)

Slack3r78 (596506) | about 10 years ago | (#9874004)

XP 2600+
Radeon 9600 Pro
1GB PC2700
160GB Samsung Spinpoint

1024x768, medium settings, 2x AA

Looks great, runs smooth

Re:Experiences thus far: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874007)

Well, the fx 5200 is a horribly slow card, not surprised at all that it didn't do very well.

Low Price? (2, Interesting)

Frogbert (589961) | about 10 years ago | (#9873943)

"Despite the relatively low price of PC games, many gamers are still choosing to resort to piracy rather than pay for legitimate boxed copies," said Matt Pierce, publisher of the computer games magazine, PC Gamer.

I don't know about the rest of the world but a new release PC game in Australia retails for $100+. Now to me that is not a relatively low price.

In fact the only game I've ever considered worth paying $100 for was half-life and this is only because it is still maintained and I got many (Half-life, Counterstrike, Day of Defeat etc.) games with it. Call me stingy but for me a game is worth at most $20 a year.

Re:Low Price? (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about 10 years ago | (#9874012)

so that means you would only pay USD 14 for a game? I'll grant you USD 70 is a bit much, but IMHO 35-45 bucks for a well done game is ok. Heck a movie costs $10 and if the game is good I'm gonna be playing it at least 8 hours.

Re:Low Price? (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#9874015)

"I don't know about the rest of the world but a new release PC game in Australia retails for $100+."

Thats $70.46 in real dollars.

Bit Torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873944)

On a positive note, due to demand of Doom 3 I think that Bit Torrent has been proven to scale well. On one tracker it registered 50,000 peers. On another it said 30,000.

bought it, but need a patch already (1)

flannelboy (344272) | about 10 years ago | (#9873946)

I just got it from CompUSA. (After being turned down at EB Games for not having "reserved" a copy - this game was harder to get than Britney tickets - although frankly, D3 warrents it and Britney doesn't :)

After the 1+ hour install, I launched the game, chose my strategy and POOF!! bye-bye doom3. Looks like I'll need a patch of some sort before I can play. Rats.

Has anyone else had stability issues with the game? Any pointers?


Re:bought it, but need a patch already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874105)

Memory. D3 pushes your memory hard, so I'd recommend running a memcheck (memtest86 is a good one), as I discovered.

Doom 3 was released today? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873950)

No wonder it's seemed unusually quiet on /. this afternoon!

Europe gets shafted again (1)

ymgve (457563) | about 10 years ago | (#9873969)

The piracy numbers might have been a notch smaller if us europeans didn't have to wait ANOTHER FUCKING WEEK before getting our hands on the retail game.

55 bucks for 2 days of fun? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873975)

I don't buy many games. To me, I put a value on the quality and quantity of time invested in a game. High dividend games like Battlefield 1942 and the Final Fantasy series.

Doom 3, however, has absolutely no replay value. You run through generic dark corridors for hours on end, clicking on computer screens to open doors, blasting away imp after imp after imp. It got to the point that I was playing just to get to Hell quicker, because the game got so fucking boring I needed a change.

Multiplayer is a joke. In FPSes, shitty multiplayer support is a deathknell. id is lucky their in the PC business where fans cream over technology, because of they were exclusive to consoles, they'd be closing up shop. A game could be the shittiest product ever created, but if the technology is good enough, PC gamers will buy it in droves.

Doom 3 is massively overhyped based on one thing: technology. The technology behind Doom 3 is fucking fantastic. I can't argue that. Everything else, though, has been done before, and been done MUCH better.

My opinion? Hold off on Doom 3 and wait for a developer to use the engine to make a good game you'll get more than 10 hours of play time out of.

P.S - How could that asshole say the cost of PC games are cheap when Doom 3 is 5 bucks more expensive than all other new releases, PC or console?

Re:55 bucks for 2 days of fun? (2, Interesting)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | about 10 years ago | (#9874087)

i agree that the price was high for this. $54.99 at best buy today. $58 and some change after taxes. i haven't bought any games recently but thought that it was kinda high.

BUT the single player game is supposed to be incredible. and the benefit of any id game is that the mod community will have a blast with this. so they'll handle your multiplayer aspect i'm sure. trust me though. so far the single player experience is WOW... crap your pants fantastic ;)

Piracy... yup. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9873976)

When I was on the torrent yesterday there were over 350 people connected.

Low Price? (5, Interesting)

Xebikr (591462) | about 10 years ago | (#9873978)

From the BBC article:
"Despite the relatively low price of PC games, many gamers are still choosing to resort to piracy rather than pay for legitimate boxed copies," said Matt Pierce, publisher of the computer games magazine, PC Gamer.

Relatively low price? Relative to what? A movie? A CD? A car? Amazon [] has it for 54.99. That is anywhere from 25% to 50% of the cost of a brand new console, depending on the platform (and yes, I know it is a PC game). I'm really curious as to what world he is living in that could justify that price as "relatively low".

Carmack Quote (1)

ryg0r (699756) | about 10 years ago | (#9873994)

"There's something fundamentally interesting about that, about the world in a box," he says. "If somebody can be an emperor in a virtual world, with only a cheap computer, is that really a fundamentally bad thing?"

In esscence, its not so much a bad thing, but it can be a harmful thing. Just when people return to the real world, as they have to, your virtual empire counts for nought.

Virtual stuff is way cool, but we have to remember we live in a reality, not in a virtual reality.

Fine mod me as troll (-1, Troll)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | about 10 years ago | (#9874000)

Mod this shit down (0, Troll)

pclminion (145572) | about 10 years ago | (#9874066)

We don't need this childish crap on Slashdot.

This is like walking up to John Carmack and saying "Fuck you! And by the way, you write awesome games!"

Why? I can remotely understand if your a broke teenager, but employed adults have no excuse whatsoever to not buy the game.

Oh noes! DOOM3 IS TEH PIRATE! (1)

Talez (468021) | about 10 years ago | (#9874009)

Except. I downloaded it.

And then I bought my copy from EB yesterday.

So can someone strike my name off the "people who pirated" list? I don't want to be responsible for more skewed statistics.

Technical Issues (1)

NessusRed (710227) | about 10 years ago | (#9874016)

I'm having the problem of Doom crashing at intermite times without any reason. Anyone else having the same problem?

Piracy would be limited if ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874036)

If they can simultaneously release movies worldwide, there is nothing stopping a simultaneous release of games. Piracy would be lessened since everyone gets it at the same time unlike the rest of the world having to wait weeks after the US release. Why wait, download the pirate version, simple.

Will the monsters fight? (5, Interesting)

steveha (103154) | about 10 years ago | (#9874052)

One of my favorite things in the original Doom games was getting monsters to fight each other. And id clearly designed some levels to encourage this.

If you could get a monster to shoot at you, and the shot hit a second monster, the second monster would get angry and turn towards the first and start attacking it. The the first would turn towards the second and attack, and they would ignore you and just beat on each other until one was dead. (This only worked for different types of monsters; if a grunt shot another grunt, they wouldn't fight. In fact, I don't believe that same-type monsters could even damage each other at all.)

The new game, with its insane system requirements, will only have a handful of monsters at a time (about three, if I understood the Telefragged review correctly). Still, it would be cool if you could sometimes get them to start fighting each other.


Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874065)

I will download Movies
I will download Music
I will download Software
I will download Games
I will not however, rip-off id software. Even a thief has some scruples.

Piracy doesnt cost sales (1, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | about 10 years ago | (#9874069)

Most pirates wouldnt have bought the game if it wasnt available for free.

Few sales were lost.

More were gained by people 'demoing' it before the fork over the cash..

If software had refunds, the need for piracy would be reduced greatly.

Carmack (1)

blackula (584329) | about 10 years ago | (#9874070)

Is this going to be Carmack's last engine?

Why Doom3 will be pirated more than bought (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9874073)

There is a quite simple reason doom3 will have more people pirating it than buying it. The multiplayer for it sux. You can say that there are other games out there that take care of multiplayer, but guess what, I have a legal copy of them, but I will never buy doom3. There just isn't any reason. The replayability just isn't there. I can play single player just as well on a pirated version than a legit version and save me $55.

You might call me a thief, but oh well. I just don't think the game is worth $55 for 20hrs max of game time. Now I will be most likely buying quake4, and/or rtcw 2, but they aren't getting a dime from me for doom3. I'm sure plenty of other people think this way as well. The money that they will lose for no good multi would have easily covered the extra development costs for it.

Anti-Piracy Schemes (1)

frission (676318) | about 10 years ago | (#9874077)

Apparently the install doesn't like your computer if you have either CloneCD or Alcohol installed. I never had alcohol installed, but it wasn't giving me problems running the game. I uninstalled CloneCD and everything's fine. I hope the first patch they come out with gets rid of this crap. The "warez" version has been available for days, so it's already out...there's nothing to stop now :)
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