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Lawsuits Force 321 Studios Out Of Business

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the anywhere-it-wants-to dept.

The Courts 465

elegie writes "321 Studios has gone out of business. Earlier, they came under fire for producing DVD disc-copying software. Specifically, it was argued by movie studios that the DVD-X Copy software and the DVD Copy Plus software violated the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) anticircumvention rules. 321 Studios argued that copying a DVD disc for personal use counted as "fair use" in terms of copyright law. The EFF has said that the closing was not surprising because of all the legal injunctions against 321 Studios."

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321 studios going out of business? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879679)

Wow! 321 studios? That's a *lot* of studios... (Sheesh. Put some quotes aroung their name or something)

a pedant replies (2)

count_sporkula (446625) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879713)

Now I know grammar isn't a strong point on /. but if the article poster had meant 'many studios' he would have posted '321 studios have gone out of business' rather than the 'has gone ...'

thankyou.

Re:321 studios going out of business? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879778)

Good. Fucking thieves.

Open source? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879680)

How about opening the source for their software?

Re:Open source? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879708)

How about just buying DVDs, you cheap ass?

The MPAA (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879711)

The MPAA then will try shutting down the web sites distributing it, like when they went after 2600 and Jon.

Of course, they can't get everyone. :)

Besides, I suspect that since it is a Winoze application, they didn't write it to be ported. But, it can provide a good start.

Re:The MPAA (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879915)

Thats simple to avoid. It gets on a p2p network like emule and it doesn't go away.

Re:Open source? (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879761)

There really is no need to.

there is a far superior product that is already open source. It's called DVDshrink.

anyways, Xcopy is based on all open source tools with a delphi frontend wrapped on it to hold the call-home/DRM protection they put in it.

ignore the crud from 321, download dvdshrink instead.

Re:Open source? (2, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879810)

Oops, I was wrong, dvdshrink is not open source but is freeware.

I am sure it is still based on already available OSS tools though. (with the mpegtools and other projects you can reproduce the exact same thing that it does)

Re:Open source? (5, Informative)

Karzz1 (306015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879833)

Actually, DVDShrink [dvdshrink.org] is not open source, it is a free binary. It also utilizes the burning libraries from Nero which are definitely not free (although it does use the ones included in trial versions of Nero).

Re:Open source? (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879804)

How about opening the source for their software?

Dunno, but sounds like something that would get you in loads of trouble and cast shadows on the good work of Open Sourcers. In sympathize, but pick your battles wisely, as 321's demise should underscore. Even EFF doesn't likely have the deep pockets to fight all villains in MPAA/RIAA, etc.

Probably 321 would also suffer immense litgation if their code slipped into the wild anyway.

Lesson. (4, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879682)

There's an important lesson to be learnt here.

Wasn't the point of the legal system once to protect the weak from the poor. Somewhere along the line something happened to that ideal.

www.fishkeeping.co.uk

Re:Lesson. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879719)

There is no "legal" system.
There is no "system".
Life is unreal and absurd.

Re:Lesson. (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879921)

Wasn't the point of the legal system once to protect the weak from the poor. Somewhere along the line something happened to that ideal.


Yeah, those darn poor are always taking advantage of the weak.

Re:Lesson. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879941)

Ditto Rush!

the REAL truth (5, Funny)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879690)


The REAL reason they went out of business is that everyone was burning and distributing illegal copies of their software.

[/joke]

Re:the REAL truth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879882)

Well I haven't yet, but I will now.

Re:the REAL truth (0)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879929)

[Joke]The REAL reason they went out of business is that everyone was burning and distributing illegal copies of their software.[/joke]

So, it's more or less an open secret that they made software for pirating software / movies / other stuff, but this is "OK" because it's not your software / movies / other stuff?

no surprise (5, Interesting)

rhpot1991 (799210) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879694)

Noone should be using DVD-X copy anyways, dvdshrink is where it is at. Better quality and better price(free).

Re:no surprise (2, Funny)

aslate (675607) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879862)

I just went to update my copy of DVD Shrink to see this advert on the download site:

DVD X COPY.
The Best-Selling software for backing up your DVD movies.
More info here.

Oh, the irony.

Re:no surprise (4, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879886)

No matter how superior dvdshrink maybe over DVD-X, I have never seen a boxed copy at a local retailer.

If you are a less than computer savvy user at your local Best Buy wandering around the software section, you are far more likely to stumble upon DVD-X and use it then you are to find dvdshrink on your own.

So how about releasing the code? (4, Interesting)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879701)

Any chance they're going to release the code to their products? Would that increase their legal liability at this point?

Re:So how about releasing the code? (2, Informative)

Nakito (702386) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879869)

Any chance they're going to release the code to their products?

The reason they went out of business is that a court issued an injunction against them. The court enjoined them from making their DVD ripper available, because the product is deemed to violate the DMCA. I think it is likely that distribution of the source code would constitute a violation of that injunction.

321 might of been right ... (4, Insightful)

rf0 (159958) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879703)

... but you can't fight people with deeper pockets as has been shown over and over again

Rus

great (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879705)

This comes hot off the heels of a purchase of a smal laptop with no internal DVD. Guess it's back to Kazaa.

Re:great (1)

rwven (663186) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879749)

just buy a copy of the software before you cant anymore... I'm sure frys or best buy or something, heck, half.com would still have a couple copies...

Fairuse wizard (1)

monopole (44023) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879894)

The Fairuse wizard is perfect for backing up DVDs to DIVX. I've even used it to view DVDs on my palm. http://fairuse.free.fr/lang_en/

I can't stand it (4, Insightful)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879709)

when all these companys take rights away from legitimate users like that...if people really wanna break the law they will but what if someone needs to do something legitimate with it...what are they supposed to do...this company is just one exaple of of this whole bullshit with copying stuff...no protection scheme has stoped pirate from copying stuff iligally...

Grrr, but ok (2, Insightful)

rwven (663186) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879716)

Yaknow, it really sucks that the movie industry has become what is has, or heck, that the media industry has, but there are laws and there are consequenses for breaking them.

If it were up to me i'd be all about open media, and i'm sure most of the people on here would be too, but infortunatley the people concerned only with making money do not hold to the same ideals that we do.

I guess it comes down to the same deal as the RIAA. I hate their guts, but when you consider what they're doing in suing a ton of people, they ARE right, legally speaking. People are stealing from their income, so they "legally" have the right to sue them.

The only problem is business ethics, but thats another story altogether.

Re:Grrr, but ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879933)

People are stealing from their income...

How is backing up DVDs THAT YOU ALREADY OWN stealing? This is what 321's product was designed for. If someone misuses 321's product to do something illegal, how can 321 be at fault?

Re:Grrr, but ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879953)

They're not stealing. Get that right.

Now how else will I back up my movies (4, Funny)

baywulf (214371) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879717)

Now how else will I back up my DVD movies that I plan to eventually buy?

Re:Now how else will I back up my movies (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879844)

you need to curl up in a ball and cry because you are too damned stupid to find http://www.dvdshrink.org/ on google.

Oh woe is me.... I cant copy DVD's anymore and I'm too stupid to search for a replacement...

boo hoo...... boo hoo hoo....

This is probably a good thing. (5, Informative)

Exmet Paff Daxx (535601) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879722)

People need to confront the DMCA, really see it for what it is. Right now, the law says "thou shalt only play the movies in the way Hollywood prescribes", but it hasn't really internalized because so many people can use unlicensed software to do things like copy DVDs, play them without commercials, etc. I think the FBI needs to really crack down on anyone who violates the DMCA, by imprisoning everyone who copies a DVD for home use, especially rich and politically connected people. We could call it the "War on Pirates", and appoint a "Piracy czar", or something similarly crazy. The public needs to be rendered totally unable to copy or play DVDs in a way of their choosing, as the law prescribes, before they will wake up and actually understand what the law prescribes. Right now there's no reason to fight the DMCA because no one knows what it really means. It's a ban on any speech which could be used to play DVDs or other media the way we want. And that's a pretty amazing thing.

To tie in to this article, I will award a Gmail invite for anyone who can prove to me that it's legal under the DMCA to stand on a street corner and recite DeCSS. It is of course illegal, which means that Free Speech is dead in America, but if you manage to prove me wrong and include an address, the invite will be on its way. Good luck!

Re:This is probably a good thing. (1, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879789)

To tie in to this article, I will award a Gmail invite for anyone who can prove to me that it's legal under the DMCA to stand on a street corner and recite DeCSS. It is of course illegal, which means that Free Speech is dead in America, but if you manage to prove me wrong and include an address, the invite will be on its way.

A gmail account in return for proving free speech in America isn't dead? man, you're cheap...

Re:This is probably a good thing. (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879836)

The public needs to be rendered totally unable to copy or play DVDs in a way of their choosing, as the law prescribes, before they will wake up and actually understand what the law prescribes. Right now there's no reason to fight the DMCA because no one knows what it really means. It's a ban on any speech which could be used to play DVDs or other media the way we want. And that's a pretty amazing thing.

What's really amazing is that people won't care. The MPAA (and RIAA for that matter) has been able to completely warp the truth about your rights when it comes to how, why, when, and where you watch/listen to your media.

These two organizations will continue to alter reality slowly and people will actually continue to listen. Doing what you say will have no effect.

People are sheep.

Re:This is probably a good thing. (1)

morton2002 (200597) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879890)

I could recite the original source to DeCSS by reading the raw Hex from an encrypted version of the source. The key for the encryption? - the checksum of the DeCSS source itself. Only those who have access to DeCSS could decrypt my message, and they would already be in possession of illegal information so I would not be providing anything useful; to everyone else it would be useless gibberish.

Yeah, okay maybe this scenario doesn't fit your challenge. But I wouldn't mind a gmail invite anyway :) morton2002 at myrealbox *d0t* c0m.

Re:This is probably a good thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879902)

It's legal to do so in speakers' corner in London.

Due to a rather uniqueness to English law just about anything can be said in speakers' corner without worry of legal repercussions. (although I suspect all the recent anti-terrorism legistlation may have changed this)

Using AC since I lost my Slashdot account many moons ago and can't be bothered creating a new one.

Mark C.

Re:This is probably a good thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879905)

While perhaps not in the spirit of the challenge, it is of course easy to complete.
The corner to choose would be 'Speakers Corner' in Hyde park, London (I forget which road it is actally on, Park Lane perhaps ?).
An exceptional historic right to speak without fear of prosecution, and I suspect the fact that US laws are not (yet) binding in England makes this quite safe.
Please send the Gmail invitation to
usher_tom@hotmail.com
Thanks

Re:This is probably a good thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879951)

Aha!

I got there first. :)

Mark C.

(mcasey@ukonline.co.uk)

Re:This is probably a good thing. (2, Funny)

kroekle (727040) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879922)

Just make sure that the street corner isn't in the U.S. Now where's my gmail invite :)

GPL code (1)

hhg (200613) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879723)

How come they don't GPL the code and make a run for it? I sure would have, if I cared the least about dvd-copying - at least if my company were going bankrupt anyway.

Re:GPL code (1)

No2Gates (239823) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879775)

'Cause then they'd have a DVD-Jon case after them. Now if they were to give/sell the company IP assets to some off-shore company, and THEY GPL'd the code.... Hmmm.,.

From their FAQ (5, Interesting)

Gentoo Fan (643403) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879725)

It is not illegal for you to own or use the software. The injunction only applies to 321 Studios. [321studios.com]

How long until 321 will be required to hand over their customer list (at least the ones that registered)? If they can force this company out of business, it seems to me the next step is to go after the users. You know, the ones doing the acutal "law breaking".

Re:From their FAQ (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879772)

Every user is a registered user. you had to register online to get the software to work :( Even then it never worked that well.

I wish their forums were still up so you could see all the complaints/problems people had.

Re:From their FAQ (1)

djrogers (153854) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879797)

If they can force this company out of business, it seems to me the next step is to go after the users. You know, the ones doing the acutal "law breaking".
Actually, users wouldn't fall into the DMCA violation category - users didn't develop or distribute 'circumvention' technology. Remember, it's not the copying that's the illegal part, it's the circumvention...

Re:From their FAQ (2, Interesting)

SpiritOfGrandeur (686449) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879847)

How long until 321 will be required to hand over their customer list (at least the ones that registered)? If they can force this company out of business, it seems to me the next step is to go after the users. You know, the ones doing the acutal "law breaking".

If you use peerguardian and 321 Software you will notice that the program does not work because it blocks reporting to the 321 sites. This means that not only do they have a legal list of registered users that have bought it, but they also have a list of IP's of all the people who have burned a movie. While I have not checked what these packets contain, I can only assume they have a whole list of any thing that any one has ever copied...

Re:From their FAQ (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879866)

What customer list? Believe it or not, CompUSA does not sample your DNA and track everything you buy. This is not like an ISP where they have a list of customers, at best they'll have a list of the 2% that bothered to register.

Re:From their FAQ (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879891)

"How long until 321 will be required to hand over their customer list (at least the ones that registered)?"

Uh, never. 321 was making money off sales of something that bypassed encryption. This pissed off the movie industry ONLY because it affected sales.

The industry could care less if individuals create their own backups. The only people they'd want to "go after" are those that made money off 321 (e.g. people who used the software to sell pirated copies of movies).

Re:From their FAQ (1)

Have Blue (616) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879907)

Users cannot violate the DMCA; only developers and distributers can. The DMCA only forbids distributing circumvention methods; if you already own one or create one yourself and do not distribute it you are in the clear.

I guess that makes it... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879728)

...3210 Studios.

Good riddance.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879732)

...their software was horrible. I had nonstop problems trying to use it and tech support was no help at all. The continuously blamed the problems on my system set up. It's funny how all the less expensive software I found on the net works like a dream (never even had a problem setting it up).

I'm glad to see they are gone so othere don't get screwed out of the $100 and countless hours wasted that I did.

Dangerous precedant (5, Interesting)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879737)

I may be just stating the obvious but: This is awful because now the MPAA and RIAA are gonna sue as many of their perceived enemies as possible, hoping to shut them down too. On the bright side, maybe people will use the superior DVD Shrink [dvdshrink.org] instead.

Not really newsworthy... (2, Interesting)

Mitleid (734193) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879740)

It shows a lack of journalistic integrity to completely believe a company for their reasons for going out of business. It could very well be true that the lawsuits seriously put a damper on their plans, but it could ALSO be true that the company was just poorly managed. No one is going to come out and say: "We're going out of business because our managers are a bunch of schmucks and blew all the money on cheap whores and expensive cocaine!"; they're gonna point the finger.

Re:Not really newsworthy... (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879814)

But that's when the EMPLOYEES would come out and say "ya, the lawsuit hurt, but the real reason I lost my job is because the owner/managers used the company like their person piggy bank and ran it into the ground." Employees have voices too.

It's too bad, but... (1)

YAJoe (740850) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879751)

I'm not trolling (despite my horrible karma)...

But isn't this one of the beauties of open source software? I mean, part of me wishes that the dvd-x copy code will mysteriously appear on the internet so that legal injunctions and all that other bs turns worthless. Fair use, in my humble opinion, means legal backups.

I want nothing more than to see those MPAA executives gasp when they find out this "evil" software is widespread and free...

Will this now make their progs (1)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879754)

abandonware?

People will probably distribute the software more overtly as downloads on websites because, who will stop them?

Oh yeah, the MPAA.

Serves'em Right (1, Interesting)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879756)

321 were avid e-mail and phone spammer that tried to further their wallets through unsolicited bulk e-mail. I personally shed no tear for a company that STEALS from me each time they send me their spam.

Re:Serves'em Right (1)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879901)

How is sending spam stealing? It's lame and annoying, maybe even criminal, but why confuse the kids out there by mislabeling it? Are you sure it was 321 that was sending the spam? It could've also been either a knock-off or a reseller.

Waiting for the last move. (3, Insightful)

Smiglo (764447) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879759)

Now, when they are out of bussines, they wouldn't mind "leaking" source code into public. (pref. with BSD licence :) )

Well there are alternatives (2, Interesting)

linzeal (197905) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879760)

For windows the best thing for DVD ripping since sliced bread is Gordian Knot [sourceforge.net] and if you still want to get the most retarded version out there try this [amazon.com]. Remember 321 studios made a simplified front end for DVD copying built on some shoddy code, they might have become better in a few generations but the free stuff still works better.

Use DVD-Decrypter or DVD-Shrink. (4, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879765)

DVDDecrypter [dvddecrypter.com] or DVD Shrink [dvdshrink.org]. Rip and burn to ISO or another disc. I use DVD-shrink for dual layered discs and then burn the ISO with DVD Decrypter. If you have a single layer you can just use DVD Decrypter to burn the entire disc without edits.

See here [mrbass.org] for more information on DVD Shrink.

They are both free and work well.

Re:Use DVD-Decrypter or DVD-Shrink. (1)

monopole (44023) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879848)

The latest versions of DVD-Shrink will access the Nero API and burn the disk after ripping. DVD-Shrink is simply one of the best pieces of software out there. Anybody who asked me about DVD X-Copy was told to use DVD-Shrink instead.

Re:Use DVD-Decrypter or DVD-Shrink. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879898)

It will use Nero if you have it installed. I suggest staying completely free and using DVD Decrypter to burn the ISOs. Might take an extra step but it's worth it.

Re:Use DVD-Decrypter or DVD-Shrink. (1)

Tenebrious1 (530949) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879863)

I went to download DVD Shrink, and there were ads for DVD_X_Copy, the "The Best-Selling software for backing up your DVD movies". Oh well...

I don't understand (4, Insightful)

netwiz (33291) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879784)

The DMCA expressly forbids systems that bypass copy protection systems, like cracking the CSS encryption codes. Wouldn't software that performs a bitwise direct copy of the encrypted data therefore be legal, as it's not attempting to play the DVD on unauthorized hardware, nor is it decrypting the MPEG-2 stream in any way?

Re:I don't understand (5, Informative)

funaho (42567) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879943)

It would still be illegal copying, just without the added offense of circumventing the copy protection.

Anyway consumer DVD burners are incapable of writing to the portion of the disc holding the CSS keys, so there is no way for an average user to burn a bit-for-bit copy of a DVD without decrypting the data first. Commercial DVD authoring systems can do it, but they're not exactly cheap, and neither is the blank media.

Re:I don't understand (5, Informative)

endeitzslash (570374) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879946)

You can't bit copy the "key" part of a pressed DVD, because it exists in a part of the DVD that is inaccessible to burners.

Put in another way, you can't burn a CSS-encrypted DVD yourself.

Ed.

I think it's a matter of "where". (1)

agoliveira (188870) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879790)

IIRC, 321 Studios is (was) a company in California, USA, right.
So, looks like it's time to open this kind of business in other countries that does not have this kind of draconian laws.
Hmmm... but the DMCA aplies to *sell* this kind of software? If so, the USA market for it is lost.

From the article (3, Insightful)

johnny_sas (785125) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879795)

"They couldn't afford to do business and fight all the legal fights. They essentially got sued out of existence." That's becoming a far too common theme these days.

They left no choice (2, Insightful)

moankey (142715) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879796)

If things like DVD shrink are distibuted for free what can they do. Tell the author to stop and then some one else picks up the slack, and the chase starts again.

But when you package the software sell it in retail stores and pretty much stick in front of the industry's face what do you expect them to do? Make better movies in hopes people will be so taken back they have to buy the movie? Spend countless millions developing better security to have it broken in a week or just shut down 321?

Theoretical right to fair use (5, Interesting)

anandpur (303114) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879805)

"Under the DMCA, you have a theoretical right to fair use. But this ruling shows that if you provide a tool for fair use you can't use it."

From NewScientist [newscientist.com]

Backups not legal? (4, Interesting)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879809)

As I understand it, there is no legal right to make backups of movies, in the U.S. There is a right to make backups of computer software, but that provision is explicit and does not apply to other forms of content.

Some have argued that fair use would allow making backups of general content, but since such usage is not educational or for research purposes, and would have commercial impact, it seems like a weak argument to me. In any case, it has never been confirmed in the courts.

DVD X-Copy is free(as in speech)? (5, Funny)

El_Ge_Ex (218107) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879821)

Interesting. Now that 321 is out of business. DVD X-Copy is now considered fair use under the "software created by company no longer in existance" revision they added.

They went out of business in the "US" only (5, Interesting)

chrisw24 (798887) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879839)

I heard from a friend that knows someone that knows someone else, that they are moving the business offshore. Not sure if the business will move out of the US, or if the employees will be recieving a paycheck from a company overseas, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

As usual (3, Interesting)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879841)

A combination of free and cheap software works much better than 321 Studios' software. DVD Shrink is free, easy to use, and never crashes. Nero can be had as cheap as $5 on the web. This combination is sweet, if you're using DVD-X-Copy or whatever you paid for inferior software.

os x (1)

squarefish (561836) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879845)

I one thing that was a disappointment to me when 321 studios started working on this was that I was just switching to mac and they were only supporting windows based systems.
however, there is now an option for mac users.fast dvd copy 2 [fastdvdcopy.com] is awesome. MacWorld just gave it 3 1/2 mouse rating in the latest issue.

Uphill battle comes to a close. (1)

Eeknay (766740) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879853)

Unfortunatly, arguing the benefits of DVD copying software is an uphill battle. Although there are legitimate uses for such software (for example, getting past all the adverts/crud on the Disney DVDs and getting straight to the movie), ultimately such software will be used twice as much for piracy. This however does not slow piracy down one bit. I didn't even use their software to copy my own DVDs, as there are many free alternatives.

Money... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879856)

In France where I live, there is a special tax on tapes, CD, DVD, hard disc and maybe other media I've forget. This tax is originaly made to send some money to the artists to balance the effect of music and video piracy.
I'm very unhappy of this thing :
If you buy a CD for your own business, you pay the same tax as a pirate who copy dozens of music CD for money! And the pirate don't care paying a tax beause of piracy!
I think that the problem is in the big music and video ompany : they don't know how to keep their buisness.

haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879861)

I think a few LOL's are in order over this one.

Re:haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879895)

LOL!!!11

suprised? (1)

Vilim (615798) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879871)

Did anyone _not_ see this coming? The precedent concerning distributing the deCSS had been set long before the company came into existance

321's straw that broke the camel's back (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879904)

They were beset with legal issues, but especially over the product they were currently building. It was an application that would let you rip your DVDs to your hard disk, auto-recognize and name them (like CDDB does for CDs), organize them, and play them back. Once ripped, you could put your DVDs in the basement and forget about them. The MPAA, etc., did not like this one bit, and ensured that it would never see the light of day.

There are hardware devices that do just this, but they're constructed so as to disallow easy extraction of the DVD data from the device. This precludes the user employing such devices as copying machines. You can't have such assurances from a pure software application on your PC, and that was the crux of 321's problems.

Let the industry die from piracy (1)

Texas Consultant (690764) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879908)

It's overpaid. Like the music industry. 99% of its output is garbage, and those of us who like unshitty music have to pay $17 a disc anyway, when we could get it for $5 a disc if so much time, money and effort weren't spent producing mindless stuff that's really popular with teenage girls [aimgirl.com].

OPEN SOURCE (1)

llZENll (545605) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879928)

So now that they can't sell their stuff. Please may a rogue 321 developer release the source code?

Other solutions (5, Interesting)

Zaranne (733967) | more than 9 years ago | (#9879936)

I don't understand why the solution that worked for the music world wasn't used here. Back when blank recording cassettes were created and mass marketed, the music industry nearly blew a gasket. The compromise is that TDK/Maxell/Fuji and the rest pay a small portion of their sales to the record companies. Kind of a tithe. While it's still illegal for me to copy my CD's onto cassettes and SELL them to people, I can do it for personal use. Everybody's happy.

Do you know why the MPAA has so much money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#9879950)

Because you idiots keep paying them. How many of you went and saw LotR:RotK? Spiderman-2? I, Robot?

How many of you bought the extended version of LotR:FotR? LotR:TTT? LotR:RotK? How many will buy the super-special, 20-disk LotR trilogy when it is released?

If you really hate the MPAA this much, stop paying them. They are able to do what they do as a direct result of the money that you provide them with.

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