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On Emulation and Transmeta

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

News 67

Curious writes "The Economist this week talks about the growing use of emulation technology and Transmeta's newest patent involving hardware/software hybrid in multi-host emulation." Whatever they emulate, their employees win Harley's at conferences, so they're doing something right.

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beowulf 'em! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983654)

let's beolwulf...er...whatever transmeta maks!

even cleverer emulators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983655)

even cleverer emulators???

The Economist - Amen, amen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983656)

The Economist is the finest current-affairs English-language periodical, full stop. And since it's owned by a trust which guards its independence and standards, it's even Katz-proof. ;)

We English Speak Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983657)

Welkum to slashdot elementary skool where we speel god.

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983658)

Harley Riders
"harleys best fuck the rest. hondasocki sucj and so do you wekend warriors who have the money to buy a custom bike but never lived a day in a real bikers boots fuck all the yuppies and lames who buy a bike to look cool and all those lame fuckers who never have been to sturgis i go every year and have brrn goinf for the last17 yrs since i was 15 fuck yeah harlwys rule and so do bikers bitches who swallow cock" (sic)
[BIGDDYCUL@AOL.COM]

(Quoted with apologies to Fred Gassit's Bikerama)

More on Transmeta Patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983659)

Check out ttp://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05832205__& language=en
It has some more information on a particular patent.

Ober

Red Hat at LinuxWorld, but who won? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983660)

Red Hat was giving away a Harley at LinuxWorld
(get it? North Carolina...Harley....Donnie
Barnes can explain if need be :-)). But who
won? There were plenty of Transmeta people at
the show (Dan Quinlan I saw myself but
I'm sure there were others).

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? [troll] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983661)

everybody knows BMW makes the sweetest ride.

HD's are crass. some japenese bikes are OK.
none of them compare, though.

Who won a harley? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983662)

Perhaps you didn't understand. harley = Harley-Davidson, the finast motorcycle you can buy (or can't buy since it's very hard to get one). What would you want? Some jap crotch rocket with a 20HP engine that sounds like a chainsaw? A Harley is a man's machine.

Who won a harley? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983663)

Plus it's a great backup vehicle when your
1980 Camaro breaks down and you need a ride
from the trailer park to your second shift
job putting labels on soup cans.

-Kevin

Who won a harley? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983664)

Plus it's a great backup vehicle when your
1980 Camaro breaks down and you need a ride
from the trailer park to your night shift
job putting labels on soup cans.

-Kevin

Italian bikes are the only ones that matter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983665)

Why would anyone want to drive a motorcycle designed in the 30's for fat slobs with tattoo'd butt cracks? I mean come on, the stupid loud pipes are only there to distract the rider from the atrocious handling, which can best be described as "whale like".

I'll take a Ducati 850 superbike any day of the week. They have more personality and performance in their brake lines than these pathetic american whitetrashmobiles or japanese econo-bikes have in their entire cheap-o frames.

Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983666)

Please remove me from this list.

domain name speculation anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983667)

check out InterNIC entries for transmeta.net and transmeta.org .

Need a fact checker -- aisle 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983668)

"Sony, which last week launched a new PlayStation 2, is cross about this."

Either the author didn't check his facts very well (or at all) or I missed a MAJOR event.

I'm leaning toward the former.

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983669)

Maybe it's just me but I think the whole point of a bike is to just ride and enjoy. Buy what you want but what are you getting out of cutting down anothers true love, not matter what it is. I'd like to have any bike, if they weren't so dangerous. I have 3 chillens to rear and can't afford the downtime.

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983670)

Harley's are not made to enjoy the road, they are made to annoy others. Why else would they have those offensively loud tailpipes? Do the morons who ride them actually think they look and/or sound "cool"?

Need a fact checker -- aisle 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983671)

Um, there's a difference between "launching" and "announcing" last I checked.

Software Patent Monger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983672)

AHHHHH! Linus works for a software patent monger. grrrrrrrrr......

my cats anus still smells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983673)

.

Harley == Moron Bikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983674)


Harley's are for dumb-ass morons that think annoying people while re-living "Easy Rider" is cool. It ain't.

No, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983675)

but Ziff-Davis publishes an emulation of a magazine.

The Economist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983676)

The Economist is a really good read, and very insightful, if a little on the extremely conservitive side most of the time. One problem I have with your idea though, how do you know the Enconmist's contributors are any good at writing Linux code?

What kernel are you running? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983677)

Try recompiling after disabling anal smells

Who won a harley? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983678)

Yeah, you buy that 1298cc rocket, and when we slow pokes on harley's come by, we will be sure to pull out our spatulas and clean you're remains off the pavement.

The Economist - Amen, amen! and Amen to that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983679)

Subject line says it all - there's a reason it
the oldest magazine still in existence.

Emulation's come a long way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983680)

I remember the p-system that ran on apple II 's.
It makes sense to write apps for an idealized machine and let lower levels do the dirty work.
The problem historicly has been that it just
too damn slow. Now that the real speed problem
is inter-computer bandwidth and local i/o;
emulation has a real chance to compete with
natively compiled code.

stop sampling it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983681)

ferkrisake!

The Economist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983682)

The economist is far and away my favorite and best source for news of many types. But they aren't daily. That's where CNN, news.com, and slashdot.org fills in the holes. Please put more Economist articles on slashdot as they are relevant! And rob, keep up the good work with slashdot.org

-Ben

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983683)


Loud pipes don't save anyones lives. You can only hear them when your BEHIND the motorcycle. And most drivers can see things directly in front of them -- the people you have to worry about smashing into you are coming from all the other directions.

Mighty Morphin' Power Processor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983684)

Changes code on the fly, generic microcode, yup its a K5/K6 on acid :).

Slashdots Hero? Software Patents??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983685)


WHAT!?!? Linus, the hero of slashdotter kiddies, works for a company THAT PATENTS SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE???

Can YOU say HYPOCRITE, kiddies?

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983686)

Or he's got a boom-box car with the amps cranked up - man I hate those!

Pistons=Mahle,Germany/Forks=Showa,Japan/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983687)

Sidemarker reflectors=made in the same nation that
gave you Linux and IRC...

so much for your all american bike

45% drug free

Emulate this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983688)

Where can I get the source for this project?

Transmeta Admins can't spell (too) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983689)


Check out Internic registration info:

> Registrant:
> Transmeta Corperation (TRANSMETA-DOM)
> 3940 Freedom Circle
> Santa Clara, CA 95054
> USA

Now, to the best of my knowledge it should be spelled as CorpOration, unless they meant something really weird.

They can't even spell and develop new stuff?
Well, spelling is not main thing, anyway I can't spell too.

Emulate this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983690)

Hey baby, wanna emulate a toilet while i sit on your face?

sorry that prolly wasn't funny enough to post

andym

New Beowulf net topology? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983691)

Hopefully at an Amiga dealer near you late '99....

The Economist! (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983692)


Hands-down, the finest mainstream, English-language dead-tree thingy in the world. But even they can't breach the Transmeta Cone of Silence.



The Economist makes all the other "hard news" weekly magazines look like People magazine. The reason this is so is very cool, and possibly offers a business model for free software.

Most news magazines make money based on advertising, and the ad rates are directly dependent on the magazines circulation. So there is an economic incentive for the magazine to expand its circulation, which more-or-less translates into trading hard news for fluff -- movie reviews, "News you can use," that sort of stuff.

So how does The Economist avoid this trap?

Simple -- The Economist is a loss-leader for the company that publishes it. They make their real money by doing analyses of political and economic trends for big companies, governments and think tanks, and they charge big dollars for these analyses. Now, someone who is going to fork over thousands and thousands of dollars for analyses of, say, the political situation in the Uzbekhistan, wants some guarantees that their analyst isn't talking out of his butt.

By publishing The Economist, the Economist Intelligence Unit (I think that's the name), basically shows their stuff to the world. They say, "If you want to know what kind of work we do, go check out the Economist magazine." So the magazine is basically advertising for their custom analyses.

This means that they have a really strong incentive to publish genuinely in-depth and thoughtful news coverage. If they publish garbage they will lose their reputation for quality, and they die.

So how does this relate to free software? It's probably possible to build a software business along very similar lines. You have a firm that primarily writes custom software for clients, and establishes a reputation for quality by releasing free software.

If someone asks, "How do I know you aren't a gang of cowboy coders who write unstable trashware?" the firm can point to its free software as proof of its ability to write solid, well-designed programs -- the source is available for inspection and proof of the firm's ability.

Harley's == Jewellry for your Butt. (1)

torpor (458) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983693)

Whenever I see one of those loud-ass pieces of crappy American engineering plowing down the road, all I can think is "Why is this person wearing jewellry in their butt?"

The Economist! (1)

pingouin (783) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983694)

Hands-down, the finest mainstream, English-language dead-tree thingy in the world. But even they can't breach the Transmeta Cone of Silence.

--

Who won a harley? (1)

tallpaul (1010) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983695)

Okay, I guess I missed something... who won a harley, and when, at what conference? I'm guessing Linus...

Pity it couldn't have been a decent bike.. but at least he can sell it for a tidy profit and buy himself a nice bike.. or two.

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (1)

tallpaul (1010) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983696)

Did I forget to add a to the end of that? :-P

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (1)

tallpaul (1010) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983697)

Grr. I meant a *grin*, since slashdot filters out the greater/less thans.

So When Do We Know? (1)

mholve (1101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983698)

What the hell Transmeta does? Sheesh. They're up to something, that's for sure... I can't wait.

beowulf 'em! (1)

mholve (1101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983699)

Yeah it would! And it'd look a lot gnarlier than a Wolfpack. :)

beowulf 'em! (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983700)

A beowulf cluster of harleys would be cool.

Another way to make money giving away software. (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983701)

Read the comment this is a reply to, it has a very good observation that shouldn't be skipped just because the subject is bland and the poster is anonymous.

Congratulations! Enjoy! (1)

Zippy the Pinhead (3531) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983702)

Personally, I'd opt for a Buell, but that's just me. Meanwhile, I commute on a battered Kwack, which cost me 1/200th of a Harley.

Gotta do something about that income...

More on Transmeta Patents (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983703)

Check out ttp://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05832205__& language=en

There's a missing "h" in there, and it wasn't made a link; here's a link to the patent [ibm.com] .

But wasn't that mentioned in a Slashdot article ages ago?

Who won a harley? (1)

Jeff_Uphoff (4498) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983704)

Not selling it--I ride it to work. It's sitting out front of Transmeta right now. *grin*

Need a fact checker -- aisle 9 (1)

Andy Davies (5700) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983705)

Guess you missed a major event then, the PlayStation 2 was announced last week. /. thread about it is here [slashdot.org]

New Beowulf net topology? (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983706)


Sounds to me like they're trying to interlink the independent kernels together into a node to allow you to simply add computers to increase the processing power.

Such a system would be highly redundant, scaleable, and have a geek factor of about a billion (perhaps it's most important trait!). It could also be built at incredibly low cost.


But, more importantly - where can I buy one? :)

Ah, another thing I can say "NT can't do that!" to the microsoftian droids at work who think if NT can't do it, it is impossible.



--

Who won a harley? (1)

pica (8795) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983707)

Actually, for about half the price of a low end harley, I'm about to buy a Suzuki GSX1300R crotch rocket with a 1298cc engine that will toast _any_ harley as long as I remember to keep my front wheel on the ground when I hit fourth gear. You'll hear the engine for about 1s. Sorry if you're jealous but it sounds nothing like a chainsaw. =) By the time you're about to shift your "man's machine" into 4th gear, I'll be about a mile up the road.

Who won a harley? (1)

proberts (9821) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983708)

Rat bastard!

Any luck Intel will hit it with a backhoe ;)

Not to burst your bubble but ... (1)

rdsmith (11517) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983709)

these days, a good proportion of the Harley is manufactured in, dare I say it, Japan, Home of the Crotch Rocket.

Dollar for dollar, there are many other bikes that will outperform/outhandle a hog. But, nothing says motorcycle like a hog rolling down the highway.

Hmmm, anyone else out there old enough to remember the Indian? Too bad the company trying to bring them back was unable too.

Harley: the M$ of motorcycling (1)

Pray_4_Mojo (13485) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983710)

Do I have to paint a picture?

-Overpriced
-Overweight/bloated
-unreliable
-crash more frequently (of course, part of this is due to the higher rate of clueless
posers drawn to all the shiny chrome)

Yes...it is the windoze of Motorcycles. Get a crotch rocket. Or anything that has that attribute called 'handling'

Emulate this (1)

Master Switch (15115) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983711)

I am designing an emulator that emulates an emulator emulating the emulator that emulates the emulator emulating an emulated emulator, emulating EMACS, emulating VI, emulating ed, emulating a PIII running emulated MacOS, running emulated Windows 98 in emulated Win 3.1 mode, running emulated DOS, emulating a Commodore 64.

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (1)

caut10n (15186) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983712)

How weak. The guy makes a post saying the company is doing something good by giving away an expensive motorcycle to an everyday joe, and you gotta' slam HD.

Oh well, I'm gonna' slam you. Slam.
There.

Wasting Bandwidth
Caut10n
98 FatBoy

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (1)

SoftwareJanitor (15983) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983713)

Harley's are not made to enjoy the road, they are made to annoy others. Why else would they have those offensively loud tailpipes? Do the morons who ride them actually think they look and/or sound "cool"?

Actually the factory Harley pipes (with the crossover pipe) are way too quiet, which is why most people buy aftermarket pipes right away. You don't get that 'blat blat, blat blat' sound at idle with the factory pipes.

Seriously, loud pipes save lives. Anyone who isn't deaf who says "I didn't see any motorcycles around" if they hit a Harley, in my book has no excuse.

Seriously though, most Harleys are quiet compared to my Chevelle... So nyea nyea to you. :-)

So you are slamming Harley-Davidsons? (1)

SoftwareJanitor (15983) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983714)

You can only hear them when your BEHIND the motorcycle

Bullpuckey. I can hear a Harley when it is in front of a car in front of me, when it is coming up behind me, or when it is approaching from a cross street. Your car must have too much sound insulation from outside noise. That can be a bad thing.

Emulating ENIAC (1)

kmactane (18359) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983715)

I think your basic ten-dollar scientific calculator can emulate ENIAC. Except it goes faster, takes up less space, uses less power, etc.

Need a fact checker -- aisle 9 (1)

Amazing Larry (19172) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983716)

Maybe the author meant "formally announced" instead of "launched."

According to PSM:

Sony Computer Entertainment publicly unveiled the technology [PlayStation 2] on March 2, 1999 at the PlayStation Meeting '99 in Tokyo, Japan. It was unveiled to developers and press from all around the world.

Emulation (1)

Beef (19842) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983717)

Can they emulate ENIAC?

Who won a harley? (1)

zagmar (20261) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983718)

Please refrain from using racial epithets. Now. When I lived in Hawaii, the Harley dealership gave you a bus pass when you bought a new bike. Not by coincidence. They are the Jaguar of the motorcycle world. A japanese or german bike, however, will go and go and go. And they don't just make crotch rockets. But this is about emulation, so to remain on topic...

I'm all for it. I liked the economist article, I think it did well for a general-consumption magazine. It's funny to me that there has been no mention of this (afaik) in the US press. Pretty sad when a european magazine is our best news source for US news.

Zagmar

Harley: the M$ of motorcycling (1)

jslag (21657) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983719)

Do I have to paint a picture?

-Overpriced
-Overweight/bloated
-unreliable
-crash more frequently (of course, part of this is due to the higher rate of clueless posers drawn to all the shiny chrome)

Italian bikes are the only ones that matter. (1)

mitd (81156) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983720)

Thats pronouned 'Dew-Cawww-tee'.

Interesting trivia David Cronenberg (Canada's finest Film Director) has been collecting Ducati bikes for over 20 years.

I still own a 1972 350 Desmo and lovingly reshim the cam rods every summer.
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