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Microsoft to Split into Four Groups?

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the divide-and-conquer dept.

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An anonymous reader wrote in to say "ZDNet is reporting that Microsoft is going to announce next week that it is splitting into four separate groups. Maybe we'll see Office for Linux after all..."

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217 comments

Whiff....I smell BS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983408)

All commanded by the same greedy jerk. Gates to break up his own company, is simply a joke.

WSJ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983409)

Big article on this in the print version of the Wall Street Journal. I don't know if it's in the online version as I don't have an account there.

And since they make you pay to get one in addition to paying for the print version that isn't likely to happen now or ever.

Not a breakup, just a reorg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983410)

This is the already-known reorganization, not a breakup.

A different perspective on the reorg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983411)

A satire site [c3f.com]

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983412)

Microsoft Announces NT5 Will Be Named Windows 2000

also

Man Discovers Fire

This news is AT LEAST 3 months old and has been posted here before--even KIRO (extremely lame Seattle "news" station) called it the "split we all know about".

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, they are not talking about 4 different companies. They are just talking about reorganizing deparments and groups along business rather than technical lines. No biggie.

End run on the DOJ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983413)

It's obvious they're going to lose in court.

The 2 most obvious remedies are a breakup and "exposing" the src code.

They're obviously trying to pre-empt any break-up by doing it in a way that they can control.

I would also guess by this action that a break-up is something they prefer to a src exposure.

help, they're mutating... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983414)

Now FOUR evil empires

voluntary breakup? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983415)

This is just another stunt to counter DOJ.
Microsoft is losing the case (Bois did an excellent job) and they want to "split" before DOJ splits them. Of course the "Baby Bills" will still be a part of the collective.

The Four (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983416)

Random thoughts:

The Four Horsemen?

Ministry of Love, Ministry of Peace, Ministry of Plenty, Ministry of Truth?

Spin, FUD, licensing, other?

So, which combo will it be?

No News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983417)

This isn't something new. It was mentioned a while back in news reports before the trial recess began.

Also, this is a reorganization, meaning it will still be one whole Microsoft. I think people may be getting the impression, based on the comments in the post, that Microsoft is being broken up into 4 seperate companies.

Megaserver??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983418)

For the future, MSN is working on an initiative dubbed "megaserver" that would store all of a user's data and software on central server computers in order to make them available on any device, including hand-held computers and television-based appliances.

Now this is interesting...although I can see the potential advantages for the mindless masses, anyone with even a partial lobotomy would flat-out REJECT using software based on this kind of model. I am amazed that despite all the problems concerning Microsoft's blatant attempts at privacy invasion, they'd still even *consider* something like this. Like I'm going to trust MS with my DATA????? Right!

Microsoft IS porting office to linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983419)

Microsoft IS porting MS-DOS to linux.

and would we want Office for linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983420)

Ummm....
Name one office product for Linux that ISN'T bloated!

Come on, face it...Microsoft Office is pretty decent package of apps. It beats anything that is currently available for Linux. It's also the standard in the business world. The number of full time linux users would skyrocket if they could use Office with it.

The Four (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983421)

Redmond - Microsoft corp. announced this weekend that they will be re-organizing into four functionally distinct divisions: Lying, Cheating, Stealing, and
Crashing. Wall Street analysts agree that this change will better enable MSFT to achieve its strategic goals.

splitting before the DOJ does it for them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983422)

I think that'll leave us with:
  • Division For Making Office Write High School Book Reports Even Better
  • Division of FUD
  • Threatening OEMs to Not Load Other OSes Division
  • Copying Other Peoples' Ideas Division

Office suite is for PEOPLE, not GEEKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983423)

Geeks will never know what common people like and don't like to do
trying to speak about performance and all sorts of software philosophies to people working in financial firms, for example, is one of the very few stupidities of geek people

You can live happily in your Linux utopia and perhaps your utopia is taking up the world, but you can't change people's minds, cuz not everyone out there sees him/herself a geek

It doesn't matter whether MS Office is bloated or not, people need it anyway. Nobody would want to learn to use another office product if he/she has been using one for years, regardless of how smooth the transition can be.

Office suite is for PEOPLE, not GEEKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983424)

I'm not a geek, I'm a common people. I don't need Microsoft's crappy bug ridden software because I can use any number of other programs to accomplish the same tasks: WordPerfect, StartOffice, Applix, emace etc.

Anyways, does your Mommy know you're on her 'puter right now?

Already been done, several times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983425)

1) Time sharing
2) Thin Client
3) X-windows

Furthermore, it's not necessary. Linux already runs fine on a palmtop.

Paranoid?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983426)

I don't see how this poses much more risk to privacy invasion by MS than storing your files on any MS OS machine does now.

There's one key difference: With local storage and a local OS, I have the OPTION to track what my computer is doing, and where it's sending information over the net. With centralized storage, I have NO control, and NO such option.

Further, what's to stop the entity running the servers from collecting information on what you do, and prostituting it to commercial or government interests?

Screw the guys that have *always* supported Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983427)

Even if Microsoft *did* produce a version of Office for Linux, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. There are companies out there that have been supporting Linux from the beginning. The Applixware and StarOffiec people, and others that I can't think of at the moment.

Don't you think we owe it to these folks to offer them a little bit of loyalty?

symlink- who is at the office and can't remember his password.

Do you guys ever actually the story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983428)

It's only a re-org of Microsoft, something they do every couple of years.

Slashdot's short descriptions are wrong more than any other news site that I hit.

Revelation 6:1-8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983429)

Thou art taking the piss.

Office on Linux? I still wouldn't buy it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983430)

I actually kinda like Word. Excel isn't too bad. PowerPoint sucks, as do all presentation apps. Outline does what it has to do and doesn't crash too often.

Sue me.

Ballmer ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983431)

If I had his money I could stand being butt ugly.

MS Privacy Record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983432)

Mmmm. I can relate.

But, I did it - last night.

I've been keeping Windows around at home for awhile now just for AOE.

I wiped it last night though, AOE, Windows, the whole thing.

I figured AOE was just a ploy by Micros~1 to keep me from coding/learning too much. :>) hehe

I've never been a huge gamer - so I doubt the withdrawl will be too bad for me. But now I can concentrate more on the projects that are important to me. Be more focused and stuff... whatever

I'll probably look into civ3 when it comes out on Linux. Hopefully it will be cool.



Yeah. And here are thier names: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983433)

War

Death

Pestilence

Famine

Office on Linux, you will be assimilated. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983434)

This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that has made Microsoft such a force. MS apps on non-MS platforms are designed to standardize interfaces such that Microsoft products are given the advantage. If you use Office on Linux, you're allowing them to control the aspects in which you use your computer, pigeon-holing you into the tasks that their operating systems are designed to be good at. Allow MS to define the usage and functionality of your system and you might as well be using windows.

They cant beat open source, so if they drop their proprietary apps onto an open platform you're giving them control right back. For god's sake dont let MS control the "Killer App" for Linux.
What people should be working on is harnessing the power of open source and the Internet to make collaborative systems which supercede office suites. Turn the web into a collaborative environment like it was originally envisioned and the browser is the only tool you need. Composing complex HTML documents that can be shared as network objects is the one feature the modern browsers are lacking, build that up and kiss your office suite goodbye.

rich[spam]@[eggs baked beans]richnut[spam].com

What about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983435)

Sloth, greed, lust...

Office suite is for PEOPLE, not GEEKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983436)

I know some "common people" who own a small business that don't give a flying fuck what other "common people" like and don't like when they are asked to buy a $239 office suite.

Standard Defensive Maneuver... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983437)

...divide and confuse.

What Else Does "Industry Standard" Mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983438)

Oh, that music that starts up when you reboot the computer after every crash is an industry standard too.

Wouldn't it have been more appropriate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983439)

...to split IT up into 7 divisions.

I'm sure microcruft, in its' infinite wizdom, could figure out how to make a biblical prophecy spin on the new millennium pay off. Oh well, just show the stuffed suits have no sense of humor.

4 isn't even an interesting number, other than being a power of 2.

Best solution -- DO BOTH!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983440)

Why not? Give away the source to all, perhaps make it the one-universal OS for the country and perhaps the world. Then the Linux community can have their fun replacing all the code with proven Linux code but with the Win32 compatibility and we'd be good to go.

Then, by splitting up MS into 4 entities who do not own the code, we can guarantee that one-day, the Empire will NOT Strike Back (shameless SW Ref.) They would be just like any other company who would have to write apps for what would be a universal API.

(Hmm, now if they made the source open, wouldn't that make THREE separate companies, since one was going to be OS's?)

Out.

To its credit, Hotmail was bought! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983441)

To Hotmail's credit, they were bought by Microsoft. But arent all of MS's "innovations" these days...

Hotmail fills a need, but its a far cry from a Megaserver. Personally, I dont see why people want web based email. Any self-respecting computer that can give you web access should give you telnet. You know what, someone should make an apache plugin that can give you secure access (via SSL or something) to your imap box, just in case you need it. Now that would be useful...

Office suite is for people who call tech support.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983442)

You're right. I mean, I love linux, but that doesn't make it perfect for everyone. I work tech support at my college, and sometimes it is far better to give a user something very basic like office than to give them something powerful and useful. I mean, there are a lot of people out there who can't move and re-size windows on a mac, how are we to expect them to use something as powerful and good as emacs to do their word processing? Something like m$ office (or star office or applixware, for that matter) is the only way to go in that sort of situation. And since Office already is the industry standard, no matter how much we might hate that, it really could make Linux a more common business OS.

mwegner@cs.oberlin.edu

More 4 M$ groups! --- Come on and add your own (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983443)

From: Big Bad Bill
To: All Softies
Subject: Major Reorg
---------------------

Microsoft will be reorganzing into the following 4 groups.

1) The FUD Group (Content Creation)
2) The Code Group consisting of:
2.1) The Bug Division
2.2) The Bloat Division
3) The Legal Group (Lawsuits and Acquisitions)
4) The Black Ninja Group (To strongarm other hardware and software vendors)

May only be a reorg, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983444)

Ehh. no. It makes it more difficult to break up. Notice that this is NOT a reorganization along product lines, but along "function" lines. That is, all developers in one group, instead of being split i different groups depending on project (office, Windows etc.), for example.

Old News and Purely political (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983445)

THEY WON'T BE SEPARATE ON PAPER. This is an INTERNAL reorganization. NO NEW COMPANIES WILL BE
CREATED. So this doesn't change ANYTHING with regard to the trial

and would we want Office for linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983446)

what, you mean you DON'T want a flight sim. built
into your spreadsheet app? Then the computer
couldn't ask "where do you want to go today"?

A load of crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983447)

They are just doing all of this to prempt the
DOJ from tearing them a new asshole. Everything
you see is cosmetic and has little substance it,
is just for show, including any Linux ports. They
are only intrested in trashing Linux and anything
that leads you to think otherwise is them messin
with our heads.

Office on Linux? I still wouldn't buy it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983448)

well, it's obvious you don't need the things that
MS Excel Does. I do. I've tried many spreadsheet
programs. none of them touch Excel. It sounds
like you'd be happy with the sorry-ass
"clarisworks" (now appleworks) spreadsheet, and
if that suits your needs, fine. But, until a
better ss program comes along, there's no way
I could switch to linux and keep my job. The
choice: smaller market share or app. choice for
enticing users like me.

Only if they open-source it (What a joke!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1983449)

Hahahaha!!!

You mean they would open-source (verb?) what?
OLE? VBA? Other acronyms?

Ever been inside Windows (with SoftICE or whatever)? Scary...

BTW. How many HD space would you estimate that 'source'?

Megaserver? I fart in your general direction MS! (1)

MacJedi (173) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983500)

This sounds Microsoft wants to take us back to the days of Ye Olde Mainframe. Funny. This was the computing model that he was up against in the early days of the PC. Yeah, it stands for Personal Computing. And now he wants a "Megaserver"? Lets look at Bill's other shining example of this kind of computing: WindowsNT. Trust everyones important data to an NT server? Riiiiight....

Of course it's in Mircosoft's interests to promote this kind of system:

  • No more worries about pirated software- nothing can hide from the megaserver!
  • Guess where your web cache is stored kiddies? "The better to taylor banner ads, um i mean content for you."
  • If they control the server, then they can control the communications protocol ("I know", they say, "we can make a new, better [TCPIP/HTTP/SMTP/etc]") that is used... and effectively exclude Mac, linux, all who dont use windows! "Welcome to Microsoft Internet 2000"

Furthermore, this silly scheme is the antithesis of all the the Internet is or aspires to be: it will not suffer such an attempt at centralization! I say when MS eventually looses the DoJ case, as part of the punishment they should be denied the Internet. Strip them of their domain, MSN, and IE!

4 M$ groups? (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983503)

MICROSOFT CONFIDENTIAL
-- Memorandum --
From: Bill Gates
To: All borg
Re: Microsoft Corporation "Divide and Conquer" Regrouping Plan

Here are the groups I intend to split M$ into.

1) Marketing
2) Sales
3) Lying
4) Ripping off other people's concepts

So basically, just stay where you are and keep doing what you're doing. Sales should not attempt to sell to the marketing, lying, or rip-off teams, however.

Sincerely,
bg

This is NOT A BREAKUP (1)

Erv Walter (474) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983504)

They are just reorganizing their people into new departments so that they will be organized by function from the customer's perspective vs organization by product. For example all the developers together and all support people together vs all windows nt people together and all ofice people together.

Seems like this reinforces integration not hinders it.

Office on Linux? I still wouldn't buy it... (1)

Black Wolf (575) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983506)

because whether it's running on Windows, Mac, or (God forbid) my toaster, it's big, it's bloated, it's slow, and it overwhelms you with unnecessary JUNK we all you want to do is print your stupid resume or make a simple chart from a series of numbers. I _hate_ it in all its forms.

Pre-emptive strike (1)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983508)

Posted by Mike@ABC:

Folks, this has been a long time coming, and has been reported on before. This gives MS a couple of things. It lets them focus more on the interactive/Web side, where they're still trying to figure out how this whole Internet thing works, and it gives the DOJ a blueprint for divvying up the company along product lines. If indeed Microsoft is going to be broken up (which is possible, though far from likely), Microsoft would prefer to split along product lines.

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

Only if they open-source it (1)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983509)

Posted by Steve Linberg:

I will use Office for Linux if, and only if, Microsoft open-sources it so I can inspect and build it myself. With all of the latest revelations of the prodigious privacy violations by MS and its software, I just don't trust them anymore, period.

And since the odds of MS open-sourcing Office are, in the (approximate) words of Berke Breathed, "about the same as those of Reagan handing Nancy over to Bruce Springsteen's roadies," I don't think Office will ever make it to my Linux box.


Steve Linberg, Systems Programmer &c.
National Center on Adult Literacy, University of Pennsylvania

Windows 2000 not expected this year? (1)

Ami Ganguli (921) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983511)

I thought they were pulling out all the stops to get it out this fall. Does anybody have some more info on this?

Whiff....I smell BS... (1)

PHroD (1018) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983512)

actually if you bothered to read the artcile, its Ballmer that created the plan. I'm sure it's just because of this trial...I personally hope their stock dwindles to nothin and they vanish from earth...we can always hope.

Carnegie or Rockefeller (1)

Misfit (1071) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983513)

I get the two confused, but when the oil company was split up, it turned out that the CEO was bringing in more money.

I'm sure this line of thought has already been posted at some earlier point on /.

Misfit - Member of the department of redundance department

Yawn (0)

mholve (1101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983514)

Hmmm, more "timely news."

Tell us something we don't know...

To its credit, Hotmail was bought! (1)

C.Lee (1190) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983516)


Most people I know use HotMail as a dumping ground for spam from their USENET postings. They really don't use their HotMail email adress for serious mail.

Office suite is for PEOPLE, not GEEKS (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983517)

People need to deal with wankers like you insisting on spreading data encoded in the very latest version of Bill's pay-ware far and wide. Any assertion beyond that simple practical reality is dubious at best.

MSOffice is hardly the pinnacle of either the spreadsheet or wordprocessor.

Office suite is for MICROSOFT (1)

Tim Moore (1808) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983530)

Just to be clear, people need office software. I don't dispute this.

But Microsoft doesn't design their office software to help people be more productive. They design their office software to sell a lot of copies. These goals sometimes overlap, but not always, and sometimes come into conflict.

Nobody would want to learn to use another office product if he/she has been using one for years, regardless of how smooth the transition can be.

This is a gross oversimplification. More accurately, the amount of time invested in using one product can be considered an advantage of that product when comparing it to something new. If the new product is overwhelmingly better, people will switch. Otherwise, we'd all still be using paper and pen, right?

Not a breakup, just a reorg (1)

dattaway (3088) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983535)

I would hate to see them break up. That would just tear my heart to see many little msnopolies fighting to dominate, rather than just one big dinasour left to die on its own.

and would we want Office for linux? (1)

CRiMSON (3495) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983540)

Bloated Apps? ok, Well remove Applix, StarOffice, CDE, KDE...

Ballmer ... (1)

cthonious (5222) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983543)

That is one butt ugly motherfucker. Can some Gimp enabled soul please borgify his ass, like the /. pic of Gates?

The Four (1)

cthonious (5222) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983544)

  • Information Services
  • Information Retrieval
  • Information Dispersal
  • Central Services

(just like in Brazil)

Oh brother - more marketing (1)

Electric Eye (5518) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983550)

Actually, no, it's not. Steve Ballmer seems to be the only one with a small grip on reality. He is apparently garbbing the bull by the balls. There was an earlier article that described how he has been on a rampage inside M$ because of the shitty software and lame customer service they are known for, as well as a lot of internal complacency. he actually sees M$ as a threatened entity.
Who knows if this will make any difference, as the DOJ is about 50 points ahead with 10 seconds to go....Can't wait to see that gavel come crashing down.....

ROTFLMAO!! (1)

Electric Eye (5518) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983551)

Hehehe..... best laugh I had all day. Shit, maybe I will "Borg-ify his ass" this weekend....

Revelation 6:1-8 (1)

thinker (7404) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983554)

6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.


---------------------------------
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,

All the easier to monitor (1)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983558)

The whole megaserver thing sounds like Big Brother.

Some day it will be illegal to have local storage > a certain small amount. After all, if you don't have anything to hide, why would you not want to put all your data on a distant server? ;)

The Four Horsemen of the Apolcalypse (1)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983559)

as said before.

MS Privacy Record (1)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983560)

And let us not forget Microsoft's stellar record
on privacy, including recent revelations that private information was stored on Microsoft databases.

Only speaking for myself, I don't think Microsoft
is going to purge jack from their databases, despite promises to do so.

The only Microsoft product I want is Age of Empires.

I'm not even sure that Age of Empires is worth it.

PARTY TIME!!! (0)

centurion (10584) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983561)

there is a god! maybe they will drop winblows and develope linux? nah, they would probably screw that up too

and would we want Office for linux? (1)

fatwater (10927) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983563)

I am thinking that although Office on Linux would draw quite the crowd, we don't need to fill Linux with bloated apps.

4 M$ groups? (1)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983566)

Group 1: Fear
Group 2: Uncertainty
Group 3: Doubt
Group 4: Embrace and Extend

I heard of a BG / JDR wealth comparison... (1)

markhb (11721) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983567)

I can't remember where this came from, but I heard about a comparison of the fortunes of billg and John D. Rockefeller, and, after adjustments for inflation, Rockefeller could have hired Billy to be his caddy. Standard Oil owned what became:

Exxon,
Mobil,
Chevron,
Amoco (the only one that still uses the Standard name much),
Sohio (now part of BP),
and Conoco. And Rockefeller got to be in on the ground floor of gasoline and heating oil. Billy got to help develop (let's give him his proper credit, after all) ROM BASIC.

Office "features" (1)

Natedog (11943) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983571)

speaking of things that MS Office has that I hate (when I'm force to use it that is!).

- The paper-clip guy - I would like to smash his head in.

- When I'm using variables in a document (ie i) and it makes them uppercase.

- When it tries to format lists for me, but always does it wrong

- When it stops responding for 4-5 minutes while it talks to NT 'bout something

- When it tries to autocorrect my spelling as I type

- In general, anytime it tries to think for me

/. (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983574)


Office will never be on my computer you see,
cuz it costs $600 and emacs is free.

It's buggy and broken and slow
And it's toolbars remind me of Windoze

So what if WordPerfect has even more bloat
And Applix is broken and StarOffice is choad

Their not from Microsoft you see,
And then my peecee is emmess free.

Which makes me so morally superior to the guys in the dorm
Who'd rather drink beer and chase girls than compile xforms.

The respect that I've gotten from my honorable stand,
hasn't got me laid yet but I'm sure that it can.

Now if only the boss didn't use fast save,
I'd format my FAT partition, even the games.

--

and would we want Office for linux? (1)

Stiletto (12066) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983575)

Office for Linux would indeed be "A Bad Thing." The more bloated and unstable apps _associated_ with Linux, the less credible it will appear as an OS. I know, the idea sounds silly, but if a mag like zd puts up a side-by-side comparison of Office for NT and Office for Linux and it shows that the Linux version is slower (even if intentionally made slower by MS) it will make it look like it's Linux's fault.

No, it's not a breakup, and it's not important new (1)

Me2v (12239) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983576)

This is simply a reorganization. Instead of being organized around product lines, they are now going to be organized around four major market areas: Major businesses, consumers, programmers, and what they call "knowledge workers" (don't ask me, I just read it in the WSJ). This move will have absolutely no impact on the current DOJ trial. It's not splitting up into separate businesses. They aren't spinning off any companies. It's more like, say, you want to reorganize your refrigerator. Day old leftovers go on the top shelf, week old on the middle shelf, and growing on the bottom shelf. You don't take anything out, you just move it around a little.

Companies do it all the time, and in this case, who really cares? The only thing this *might* do is make more games, etc, for the home user.

Who cares..... (1)

rdewalt (13105) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983580)

I'm getting tired of the mind numbingly pro-linux/anti-microsoft biased slant on slashdot.org. (thanks to the filter system, however, I will be changing my view soon) I remember when I could pop on, and see "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Now, the majority of the articles I see, are so heavily biased, that you might as well scream "if you don't Xclusively use Linux, you sux bilz azz!!" I hope to high heaven Star Wars Episode I -BOMBS!- Yes! I so much want to see that movie, but I'm sick and fsck'ing tired of all the hype. I hope that the trailer is the best bits! Wouldn't that really make all the hype look a bit silly? "yodaboyz@starwarzfanz.org announced today 'yeah, that stunk, we apologize for getting you all worked up on that celluloid disaster."

Know how to get 200+ comments on a slashdot article? Post about Microsoft looking at Linux. "Microsoft can't rule the world. WEEEEE want too!!!" seems to be the general attitude of the "Borg Bill" comments these days. "Oh look, Linus was mentioned in the paper again today! Oh sorry, that's Linus from "Peanuts" Yes, he is a very respectable person, but geez, how many people know who's "heading" FreeBSD, or NetBSD, or any other Free OS effort? don't hear about them, do you?

Yes, I -despise- Windows. I have to use it for work every day. It's frustrating as hell, watching Netscape, or Powerpoint crash while being productive. It's -sickening- that -ANY- program seems to be capable of taking out the kernel on a whim. Unacceptable that I should need to reboot because Word didn't like alt-tabbing to Excel so it crashed and killed the kernel. But how many people here have never touched a Microsoft product? Or been required to use it for work? What percentage of people here cut their teeth on Windows, or DOS. Yes, their business practices are Wrong. Yes I feel that their marketing department needs to be beaten senseless. I feel that they should not bother with deadlines, and forget about releasing a product until it's bug free. They want to make a deadline? then stop adding bloated features one user in a thousand will use. STOP taking a known standard, altering it, and try to pass it off as the same standard. Yes, it's easy to hate MSFT. even easier when "Borg Bill" can't respond. the internet.. great equalizer, everyone can bitch equally loud. No fear of retribution or accountability.

Sure, MS Office on Linux would be nice. Good publicity for the OS, and validation from MSFT that linux is a valid market, and support from a big software name. Sure, it most likely won't be open source, sure it'll be bloated... So don't run it. nobody is holding your hand and forcing you to install it. Just like nobody forced you to install linux..

I am -glad- Microsoft puts out horridly bloated software. I hope the trend in bad software continues. I hope Windows 2000 takes a full DVD to install and needs ten gig of HD space and a gig of ram. Because I -still- won't be using it. I could care less about what Msft puts out next, I'll still be running my free unix variants, free software, and getting my job done without uberfrequent crashes. Every line of bloat Msft puts out, pushes the hardware envelope cheaper and faster. Because thanks to Microsoft, (as a friend of mine commonly says) I can go out and buy a cheap-ass 486-120, install FreeBSD on it, and smoke the hell off people running P-200's.

Next time you brag about your P-II 450, or your Celeron, or your SuperHighEndTodgerWaving system, just take a moment to ponder how fast your "high end" system would be, right now, if Windows -didn't- need all that horsepower to run with a semblance of useability. You think that there'd be 450mhz chips this soon, if there wasn't a big need for more power to overcome OS bloat?

Thank you Rob for the filter system.. After today, at least in my eyes, slashdot will be less biased again. Maybe one day I'll see an OS article on something other than Windows or Linux.. heaven forbid there's more than -two- OS'es in the world. Some days, slashdot comments give militant OS advocates a bad name... I have an urge to scream "It's an operating system, a tool, not a religion." It's like "Keyboard" advocacy, "My keyboard allows me to flame at people faster than yours does!"

Am I a troll? I don't wholly agree with your opinions, isn't it standard posting procedure on the internet to label me a troll? I've got an opinion on these things.. That what forums are for. At least I'm using my login to post my opinion, instead of hiding behind the anons, letting a faceless visage strengthen my resolve and backbone.. I believe in what I say. I have a pet peeve of people who expect me to believe their words, if they lack the conviction to stand behind them.. Yes. There are reasons for anonymity. I have nothing to hide here. I feel that it will always put more weight, seriousness, behind words that have a name behind them. How often does a "posted by anon" mean "Flamed without merit or justification"

Yes... my spelling is not the best. My grammar sucks. I've survived the american public school system. I've got better things to do than go back over my post with a spelling checker, grammar checker, and six billion other proofreading tools. This is a rant, an opinion, not an English term paper.

Shit... and here I told myself I'd stop long winded posting... Flame on.

Old News and Purely political (1)

jabber (13196) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983582)

This reorg has been in the news for weeks now.

The reorg lines being drawn around customer groups will serve M$ in the DOJ trial - only! None of the resultant groups can survive on their own, they still share the same tech pool. But, being separate on paper, the DOJ can't bitch about monopolistic practices.

M$ is admin heavy, and this is either a bad decision, or a legally driven one.

If/when M$ redraws the reorg lines around Operating Systems, Developer Tools, Application Software, and Other (hardware, media, content); then we'll be looking at real news.

As for LinuxOffice - do we really want to introduce closed source turnkey application suites into our open pasture??

You actually believe ZDNet? (1)

kinesis (13238) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983583)

After the "I think they're porting Office to Linux" article, I'm inclined to view any Microsoft speculation from ZD with a lot of skepticism.

Remember what Microborg did to Apple (1)

Silverhammer (13644) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983584)

Sure, port Office to Linux, draw more non-geek interest in the platform, and gradually drive other app suite companies out of the market.

Then, blackmail Linux into whatever you want by threating to discontinue Office development. Once it becomes the "industry standard" on your platform, your platform is dead without it.

Hey, it's happened before -- how else do you think they got Steve Jobs to say "Internet Explorer is my browser of choice"?

GEEKS are people too! (1)

vpp (14878) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983591)

it may have not come to your attention that geeks are simply a super class of people (;

i agree with some of the others who commented to this that i wont be going anywhere near the MS Office suit, on or off Linux.

>it doesn't matter whether MS Office is bloated or
>not, people need it anyway.

hmm people need it? the bloat? people need to write in word processors equals true, people need to have things installed on the hard disk they will never use? false. bloatware is not needed, the "someone somewhere will need it so lets put it in" doenst work, with open source the people who need it can add it or get another too or jsut find someone who has if your not a "geek", why should i have the html extensions in a word processor when i dont want to use them? or have a pile of clipart i never use, or what about the other functions i not found yet? will i use them? no

people do not need bloatware and people do not need microsoft.

Microsoft IS porting office to linux (1)

Spruitje (15331) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983595)

So what.
MS-DOS runs nice in dos-emu under Linux.

Megaserver??? (1)

Todd Knarr (15451) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983596)

I see one big disadvantage, the same one we had with terminals attached to central mainframes: lose the server, lose everything. If your network connection is down, regardless of why, you can't even work locally. Not to mention the fun when the central staff "upgrades" the software to a version that breaks half your stuff with no warning whatsoever. What joy.

Carnegie or Rockefeller (1)

Ponty (15710) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983598)

Carnegie = steel
Rockafeller = oil

-J. Pierpont
http://dino.res.cmu.edu [cmu.edu]

MS stunt for the DOJ? (1)

Visoblast (15851) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983599)

Does anyone think MS is just trying to brush off the DOJ? Or was this planned before the DOJ trobles? Seems like it might not be a stunt for the DOJ seeing their defiant attitude, but I'm not sure.

and would we want Office for linux? (1)

Null_Packet (15946) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983600)

I just love the mentality, "everybody else uses it, so it must be good- even better- it must be an industry standard!"

pahleez

Paranoid?! (1)

Gumber (17306) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983601)

Microsoft wouldn't necessarily operate these things. I don't see how this poses much more risk to privacy invasion by MS than storing your files on any MS OS machine does now.

On the other hand, providing ubiquitos access to ones data from "any device" would require a much better understanding or encryption and security than MS has demonstraighted to this point.

IT is a reorg stupid! (1)

Gumber (17306) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983602)

Microsoft does stuff like this every few years, at least.

I suppose it is possible that MS is trying to arrange things a little better for an eventual breakup, but I really doubt it. Even if they loose this round they have years worth of appeals to go through.

down with microsoft. (0)

snafu (18104) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983605)


Down down down to the ground.

What Else Does "Industry Standard" Mean? (1)

kmactane (18359) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983606)

I agree with you that "everyone uses it, so it must be good" is fairly moronic. Heck, practically everyone uses Windows, does that make it better?

But "everyone is using it, so it must be an industry standard" makes nothing but sense -- it's practically the definition of "industry standard".

And yes, by that measure, both Windows and MS Office are industry standards -- practically everyone uses them, has an understanding of how they work, can handle documents in their formats, etc. That's part of doing business today.

Megaserver??? (1)

kmactane (18359) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983607)

What about HotMail? I know some people that use that, and that's trusting MS with your email. All kinds of confidential things could go in there...

(And no, these people have not had lobotomies, even partial ones. They're just not very technical-minded, and they travel around a lot and want to be able to get their email at various locations. And not pay any money for it.)

Not just paranoid... (1)

Bald Wookie (18771) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983608)

Its very clear that any system of this type does not have the best interests of the user in mind. You want me to store my software on a central server? I can just see it now, pay per use copies of MS products. Pay per megabyte storage. Pay per packet moved over the network. Pay per server cpu cycle consumed. I think that all they are interested in is a more lucrative way of distributing software. At least the EULA will be more consistent with how the software is actually used. This also could be a tragedy from a privacy standpoint, but since I won't even let MS or Intel near one of my boxen, I don't think I'd ever sign up with a 'megaserver.'

Office suite is for PEOPLE, not GEEKS (1)

trcooper (18794) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983609)

You're right... You don't deserve to be called a geek.

MS Office is the best office suite out there. FACT. You people need to realize that simply because a program is made by microsoft or doesn't run on Linux doesn't make it bad.

Office for Linux would be a great thing. I've used star office, Applix, and WP for linux. None of them even come close to performing as well as Office 97 performs on my 98 box. FACT.

Listen people, I'm a huge Linux advocate. Hell, I installed my first Linux system from floppies I downloaded over a 2400 baud modem. I'll be the first to admit (and SCREAM) that office applications under Linux suck ass.

MS Office would allow most of us dual-booters to have our cake and eat it too. And it would give common users a viable alternative. So... get real and realize that all that is MS is not crap, and all that is Linux is not gold.

You actually believe ZDNet? (1)

Praxxus (19048) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983610)

It took you that long to get skeptical about ZDNet and Microsoft?


---

Oh brother - more marketing (1)

DuckWing (19575) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983611)

The way they word this article, it's like the president came up with this new and wonderful idea! The article then says that it's not a result of the DOJ trial. DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT! MS is trying to circumvent the DOJ splitting them up by doing it themselves.

..... (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983615)

Wow... Interesting.. *being sarcastic*

this is hilarious (1)

angelo (21182) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983616)

gates should be stoned. :|
why? he already is...

I don't see this as important (1)

Mr T (21709) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983617)

The hype and news of it just sounds like a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the feds. They are simply reorganizing, every company does this on a somewhat regular basis. MS will still own all the components and Billg will still call the shots, this will have no effect on anti-competitive behavior.

Microsoft IS porting office to linux (1)

captaincursor (22692) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983618)

http://www.zdnet.com/ zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2224863,00.html [zdnet.com]
They want to have their cake and eat it too. Which makes good business sense because they publish office for the Mac as well. And it's good for linux because then people who were hanging around for office might then just junk thier windows partition.

Office for Linux? Never, however... (1)

calebos (24038) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983619)

What we're more likely to see is MS develop their own window manager that runs all Win32 apps. If they could do it for DOS, I'm sure they could do it for Linux. MS has the resources, and I'm sure there is no shortage of developers at Redmond who would be interested. I'd be interested in hearing from the more technically inclined readers as to the feasability of doing this.

this is hilarious (1)

trey (115202) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983622)

so there may be "ms office" for linux? i'm sure some people will use it, i sure as hell won't, i have no trust for that company.
don't you remember how windows98 deletes/messes up a linux partition when you install it?
gates should be stoned. :|

May only be a reorg, but... (1)

Ron Harwood (136613) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983623)

It makes it much easier to break it up later...

...kinda like a chocolate bar that has all those little sections. :)
-

Microsoft IS porting office to linux (1)

jaycee (165825) | more than 15 years ago | (#1983624)

Oh get a clue.

This is The Microsoft Media Machine operating at full-tilt.

Consider this:

Microsoft "leaks" "rumors" that it's started work on porting Office to Linux. They carefully coordinate the "leaks" so they seem to be coming from enough places that they must be true. Linux weenies (and I'm talking about /. readers here) get all excited about the "announcement".

As expected, everybody starts saying thinks like, "oh, maybe MS isn't that bad", or, "_I_ won't use Office, but at least lots of people will now be able to use Linux for business desktops". Everybody forgets about the cause, about the idea that software freedom is about _not_ dealing with code hoarders like MS. You all turn your back on your roots. You send people like RMS and ESR and others whose names you don't know the message that everything they did was for nothing because you're prefectly ready to sleep with the enemy if they only sing the right lulaby. And you send companies like Netscape and Corel the message that all that work they did, all that money they spent for _your_ cause meant nothing.

Meanwhile, companies and people that might make good office products for Linux give up because they know they can't get users: people are waiting for Office for Linux. And meanwhile, MS still hasn't released any code.

Months later, there's _nothing_ left. It's finally become clear that MS never had any intention of actually creating any Linux software. And anyone who might have made a suite of their own has packed their bags and left.

Microsoft wins, we all take it up the ass, and history repeats itself again.
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