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Microsoft Windows: A Lower Total Cost of 0wnership

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the you-go-girl dept.

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bahamutirc writes "Dave Aitel of Immunity, Inc. has written an excellent report detailing the lower Total Cost of 0wnership Microsoft Windows has over Linux. Dave takes a unique approach in comparing the two operating systems, and the results are not surprising. The paper was submitted to Bugtraq today and is available in PDF and Open Office."

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0wned? Please... (0, Offtopic)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961601)

Finding a vulnerability is like finding a fish. If the pond is overfished, it's harder to find them. Hackers are rather evenly split between running Linux and running Mac OSX. As much as few professional NASCAR drivers drive Dodge Neons, a negligible amount of skilled hackers use Windows as their primary OS.

Hmm, I don't see any source listed for this particular tidbit. I have a feeling that there are plenty of "skilled hackers" out there that do run Windows as their primary OS. Perhaps he means "skilled programmers" that refer to themselves as "skilled hackers".

Notably, this protection does not prevent Linux from being 0wned when a third party program is installed.

I try to read on in his document but I keep coming to "0wned" and I realize that I am not dealing with a professional. I suppose his intended audience (Bugtraq) might be familiar with how 31337 he is but I just can't believe he would bother to spend the time writing up a "paper" with those stupid misspellings.

Astroturf (2, Funny)

SQLz (564901) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961642)

I've never seen a paper written with L337 terminology before.

yhbt... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961651)

uh, the article is satirical...

Re:0wned? Please... (5, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961662)

A couple of definitions of "parody" for you: Google's [google.com] and Wikipedia's [wikipedia.org] .

MOD GRANDPARENT UP. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961675)

You people are dense. HE WAS KIDDING. HAHA har har, funny funny?

Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961744)

Yeah, you know why I prefer pimply-faced nerds to big-cocked beautiful black men? Because they are so funnay.

That's what's important for a girl . .. funnayness.

Oh, wait ... NO!

Love, Melissa.

Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961804)

I believe the term for you is BITCH.

Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961818)

Yeah, but what about big-cocked beautiful nerds?

You're fail to address my situation here.

Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961840)

That was funny Melissa :)

Re:0wned? Please... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961666)

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Re:0wned? Please... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961673)

Perhaps he means "skilled programmers" that refer to themselves as "skilled hackers"

Free BSD is the only 'mainstream' OS approaching sensible security.

Re:0wned? Please... (1, Insightful)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961724)

Ignoring the few privilege elevation exploits we've seen over the years, why in the world would anyone install an untrustworthy program as root?

Seriously, of all the ways my modest little linux server has been nailed over the years, it's never been the installation of software itself.

Some heavy-duty software insists on root installation, but this is only ever well-known stuff for which md5s are available.

I agree, what a dumbass.

Re:0wned? Please... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961737)

The article contains a graph "Difficulty of owning Windows vs difficulty to make this graph" on page 3. I think it is safe to assume the whole thing is just a bad joke which the editors at slashdot seem to have fallen for.

Re:0wned? Please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961797)

Sorry I missed the fact that this is (incorrectly) filed under "It's funny. Laugh." so obviously the slashdot editors have not "fallen for" it.

Re:0wned? Please... (2, Informative)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961750)

Hmm, I've been in Information Security for 7 years and almost everyone I have worked with uses phrases like "sk1llz", "0wn3d" and "l33t d00d" on a regular basis.

Not that it is proper terminology, but it is a lot more fun than being an anal, angry arse about every pleasant or immature phrase spoken in one's vacinity. Then again, I tend not to underestimate someone for the phrases they use. This can be a terrible mistake. :)

Re:0wned? Please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961761)

You're not too bright, are you?

Hello? Anybody home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961772)

You have problems getting a joke? Look at the graph. It compares the difficulty of making the graph to the difficulty of owning windows (I suppose that means taking over the system).

This is obviously a joke. Come on man, Laugh!

Re:0wned? Please... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961788)

I try to read on in his document but I keep coming to "0wned" and I realize that I am not dealing with a professional. I suppose his intended audience (Bugtraq) might be familiar with how 31337 he is but I just can't believe he would bother to spend the time writing up a "paper" with those stupid misspellings.

Wow... you just don't get it, do you? :-P

Can someone tell me why the heck this was modded insightful? More like -1: Don't Get It.

Guys, this isn't insightful. It's funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961792)

This was never meant to be insightful. It was meant to be just as satirical as the article seemed to have been.

Please moderate accordingly.

Re:0wned? Please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961803)

It's a joke asshole. This is exactly why you have no friends. Social skills garcia, social skills.

Go Bill G! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961602)

The penis: mightier than the sword!

Astroturf? (4, Funny)

neilcSD (743335) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961606)

I thought SCO were the ones supposed to be astroturfing on Slashdot...

Re:Astroturf? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961713)

I thought SCO were the ones supposed to be astroturfing on Slashdot...

I think you mean "astr0turfing on Slashd0t."

/ An0nym0us C0ward

Re:Astroturf? (3, Informative)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961807)

No, no, they're busy on Groklaw [groklaw.net] . Remember, the puppet-masters are busy everywhere.

Didn't we... (1)

romper (47937) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961607)

...talk about 0wnership of Windows yesterday [slashdot.org] ?

FIRST GNAA POST (0, Offtopic)

JismTroll (588456) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961608)

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda stepped off the bus and was led into the yard of the Main
State Correctional Institute. He had been given ten years for participating in
a stock fraud. Five with good behavior. Years spent basking in the glow of a
CRT had been hard on him. His body was frail, his skin pallid. He knew he could
never make it through ten years in the general population with his virginity
intact. He had to get into solitary.

As soon as the burly guard unshackled him he made his move. Exhaling a feminine
"hmmph" he weakly slapped the guard. He was quickly taken to the ground,
receiving a swift kick to the ribs before being restrained. As he was dragged
to the solitary confinement cell he felt nothing but relief. "At least in
solitary," he thought "I'll be safe." Unfortunately for Rob he had picked the
wrong guard to mess with.

The next few days were uneventful. The time in his cell he spent evenly between
sleeping, reading a "Perl for Dummies" book he had gotten from the book cart,
and masturbating furiously. His self-flagellation was interrupted on the fourth
day. The burly guard he had attacked earlier stepped into his cell. The gleam
in the guards eye and the mean grin on his face made Rob's pecker quickly
shrivel in his hand. "You fucked with the wrong man when you fucked with
Michael Simms," said the guard. "The inmates here call me The Asshole for a
reason. Now come with me, punk."

The guard led him down the hall to one of several empty shower stalls. He
roughly threw Rob in the stall and locked the door. Rob was petrified. His mind
raced as he imagined the myriad of different tortures that could be in store
for him. His worst fears were confirmed when the guard returned. In his hands
were a short black dress, black stilleto heels, and a curly blonde wig. "Strip
down and put this on, bitch." Rob did as instructed and was pleased to notice
that the dress fit well and the heels gave him a nice slimming effect. The
burly guard admired the drag queen. "The GNAA is gonna love you!"

The guard left the shower stall, only to return minutes later. He opened the
door and led 20 large black men into the stall. "Rob, meet the Gay Nigger
Association of America. GNAA, meet Rob. I'm sure you all will get along fine."
With that the guard slammed the shower door closed and walked away laughing.

The men approached Rob, backing him into a corner. The apparent leader stepped
forward. "No matter what I'm gonna fuck that purdy lil' ass of yours. Now I can
fuck it dry or you can lube it up for me." Rob knew he had no choice. He
kneeled in front of the leader, who began to slap his face with his 10 black
inches. Puss from syphilictic sores quickly covered Rob's cheeks. When the
leader was sufficiently aroused he placed his throbbing cock up to Rob's lips.
As soon as Rob opened his mouth the leader violently shoved his manhood to the
back of Rob's throat and exclaimed "Swallow my shit you cracker bitch!" Rob
gagged as he was violently face fucked.

Just when he was about to pass out the leader pulled out, turned him around and
shoved his cock into Rob's ass. Rob began to scream in agony but his cries were
quickly muffled by one of the other gang member's cocks. They rode him like
that for the better part of an hour. When one man finished another quickly took
his place. Just as Rob was getting used to the throbbing pain in his anus the
men stopped. One man lay down on the floor and Rob was told to get on top of
him and take his dick inside him. Exhausted and humiliated, Rob had no will
left to fight. As soon as he inserted the penis another man came up behind him
and began to force his cock into Rob's already filled anus. Again his screams
of agony were muffled, this time by a smelly black anus.

For another hour he was violated in this way. When the men were finished with
him he couldn't walk and his mouth was filled with dingleberries and ass hairs.
Before they all left the leader had some parting words for Rob: "Thanks for
that sweet piece of ass, punk. We'll see you again tomorrow. Oh by the way, we
all have AIDS." It was going to be a long ten years for Rob.

A 189 KB PDF file... (1, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961609)

...I foresee problems. Thus, a mirror [rubyforge.org] .

Re:A 189 KB PDF file... (0, Flamebait)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961726)

>A 189 KB PDF file...

Why has he supported Microsoft in his statements and abandoned them in the delivery mechanism? We can access them in a PDF (Adobe) or an Open Office document. Where's the MS Word version? How ironic.

Re:A 189 KB PDF file... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961775)

Why has he supported Microsoft in his statements and abandoned them in the delivery mechanism? We can access them in a PDF (Adobe) or an Open Office document. Where's the MS Word version? How ironic.

Not really. He knows that if his document gets posted to a anti-MS site such as Slashdot, and if the people see versions of the document that are in MS format, they will immediately dismiss his article as FUD - regardless of what other versions might be available.

Re:A 189 KB PDF file... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961805)

Uhm, you do realize that this is a joke report. It's TC0 (zero), not TCO. This report is about how 0wn1ng W1nd0z3 is easier than Linux, not "owning Windows." That should teach you to at least puruse the article before posting nonsense. To repeat: This is a JOKE!!!

Nice (1, Insightful)

Klar (522420) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961611)

LOL, the O from Ownership is a zero how L337. You have been 0wned by microsoft.

Honestly though, I love the graph in the article titled "Difficulty of owning Windows vs Difficulty to make this graph". When I saw that, I thought the article would be total Microsoft bashing, but hey, they ended up recomending to use Windows. I'd have to say that this true in the business world, almost everyone that I've talked to who uses a computer at work for word processing, etc is totally afraid of linux and think it is this scary beast. Until people can work with linux and not be afraid to try things, ms will win.

Most Important (1, Insightful)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961660)

Heh, you can't argue the fact that more people knows windows than linux. Just that alone should makes it easier to hire less administrators or cheaper admins.

Re:Nice (2, Insightful)

synthparadox (770735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961712)

I'd have to say that this true in the business world, almost everyone that I've talked to who uses a computer at work for word processing, etc is totally afraid of linux and think it is this scary beast. Until people can work with linux and not be afraid to try things, ms will win.
Also, its not just people thinking Linux is a scary beast, its the whole change of environment idea. People don't like changing because it takes time to get used to the changes. Because MS took control of the markets earlier, they have the advantage of familiarality (i think thats the word). Its the same idea behind why names are copyrighted, such as Pepsi, Disney, etc. If you're used to using products from a certain brand you're biased to buy their products.

Re:Nice (1)

joeldg (518249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961740)

well, yea they are recommending windows:

Summary

Immunity's findings clearly show that the best platform for your
targets to be running is Microsoft Windows, allowing you unparallele
value for their dollar. This result reinforces the fact that its important
to consider more than just licensing fees when your targets choose
their OS. Indeed, a variety of factors go into their choice, and over
time, Windows has demonstrated itself to be the top contender in the
in both the server and the desktop space for Total Cost of 0wnership.

Re:Nice (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961789)

Actually, if you RTFA closely enough you'll find that OSX, despite being a "toy", has the lowest TC0.

Before the anti-Trolls come out... (5, Funny)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961614)

Read it. It's the best TC0 analysis I've ever seen.

Scratch that, it's the only TC0 analysis I've ever seen.

(hint hint)

Dave Aitel (0, Offtopic)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961616)

I love his show on Comedy Central! [daveattell.com]

Re:Dave Aitel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961745)

Same here! I saw a commercial for some new episodes that should be coming out in the next few weeks. Unfortunately, the episodes that they do rarely have on mostly appear to be reruns. I can't wait for some new ones.

0wnership? (2, Funny)

michael path (94586) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961619)

I imagine that yes, due to the cheap labor of script kiddies that Windows does indeed have a lower cost of '0wnership' (sic).

Re:0wnership? (5, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961697)

Forget the (sic) part - the title of the document is indeed '0wnership'. This is a good case where those who don't RTFA will be totally off topic...

Re:0wnership? (1)

minsk (805035) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961800)

And I always thought it would have been spelled "pwnership".

"Immunity's findings clearly show that the best platform for your targets to be running is Microsoft Windows,allowing you unparalleled value for their dollar." Beautiful. Really.

Mirror (3, Informative)

Meostro (788797) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961622)

Mirrored here [wetsexygirl.com] and here [wetsexygirl.com] in case of Slashdotting.

And no, this isn't a joke, although it is kind of entertaining!

MD5:
19bd158b9e471db49acd91f0493b81ec *tc0.pdf
5ca7eb699b94967ee2d255c021e1686f *tc0.sxw

Re:Mirror (3, Funny)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961814)

Only on slashdot would someone use a domain name like that to distribute an business/satrical OS analysis white paper. :/

TCO's can be written to defend either case (0, Offtopic)

winkydink (650484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961625)

as one who has written more than I care to count, you can almost always make a case for the choice you want by inserting some things and leaving out others.

Heh :) (4, Insightful)

Gilesx (525831) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961629)

Lol I love it! I didn't actually realise that it was Total Cost of '0'wnership ;)

This is a very clever way of making a very valid point - I can forsee this report landing on a free IT purchaser's desks mixed in with all the "real" (or MS-funded) TCO reports, because it is so well designed.

And my favorite quote? "As clearly demonstrated, other than the toy OS Mac OS X, Windows has the lowest TC0 on the market." I love it!

Re:Heh :) (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961755)

My question- why does OSX have a lower TC0 than Windows? Wouldn't fewer vunerabilities make exploiting those vunerabilities harder?

Re:Heh :) (2, Insightful)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961828)

Toy? Mac OSX is arguably more ready for the corporate world than linux, and it's not that I don't think linux is ready.

OSX has M$ Office, for the pointy-haired types that insist on it. It has a better browser (Safari) and a decent enough email client (though I believe outlook is also available). It is as solid as a rock. Working with literally hundreds of OSX machines, I've only ever seen crashes that were the result of bad hardware. Even the software glitches turned out (99.8% of the time) to be HD's dying an early death.

OSX is the most polished (more than explorer, or anything else) desktop software, has all the important software, and even games, for crying out loud. I don't think I even dare reading this stupid thing, lest I barf on the desk here.

Prolly True (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961633)

I know I could make more money if I had more *nix chops

damn me and my stupid Windows Ninja Skills!

Especially if... (2, Funny)

jamesdood (468240) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961636)

Your primary business is creating mal-ware!!

not only (5, Funny)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961637)

not only does Windows have a TCO, it has a TCP - Total Cost of pwn3rsh1p

What more would you expect... (3, Funny)

Larne (9283) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961639)

... from someone who stays up all night, every night, getting drunk? Oh, Dave Aitel, not Dave Attell. Never mind.

Re:What more would you expect... (2, Funny)

joeldg (518249) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961791)

Have you seen his new Insomniac set in Japan?
the title is
"Sloshed in translation"

best show there is..

Re:What more would you expect... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961830)

Dave Attell has a great job. I wish I could go around the country - or even other countries at times - doing stand-up (which isn't that easy) and then strolling around town, getting drunk and partying afterwards. What a lucky man.

Michael strikes again (-1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961641)

Total cost of 0wnership?

God, event the editors don't RTFA, or even RTF(Submission)

Re:Michael strikes again (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961671)

that's right, dumbass.

Re:Michael strikes again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961689)

The article is in fact called "Total cost of 0wnership", so RTFA yourself.

Looks like you didn't RTFA (2, Informative)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961703)

The article is indeed about 0wnership, and the Total Cost thereof which is defined in the article as the "cost to penetrate systems".

Pretty interesting, though it could be argued that the article is biased/flaimbate.

Re:Michael strikes again (1)

DunbarTheInept (764) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961749)

Your comment is based on the assumption that the editor didn't see the humour angle and thought it was serious. What makes you think the editor thought it was serious? It would get posted either way - whether it was because it was real or because it was funny.

Re:Michael strikes again (1)

fader (107759) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961785)

Skim the article... maybe you'll find a link to a crowbar to pry your foot out of your mouth. (Or, "Don't tell others to RTFA if you haven't RTFA yourself.")

Oh boy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961663)

Let the flame wars commence!

Flamebait?? (-1)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961667)

We should be able to mod news stories as flamebait.

Re:Flamebait?? (1)

provocative (725595) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961702)

so any news that says Linux is great despite all the facts becomes Insightful and new news praising Windows is Flamebait??

Re:Flamebait?? (5, Insightful)

shish (588640) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961746)

We should be able to mod news stories as flamebait.

And we should be able to mod posters as "Didn't RTFA" / "RTFA, but didn't get that it was a joke"...

Re:Flamebait?? (1)

(54)T-Dub (642521) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961776)

I'm guilty of the first
[hangs head in shame]

This is a meaning of Cost of 0wnership (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961670)

Of which I have not previously been aware! Good job! And a much better apples-to-apples comparison than I've seen done by either the open or closed source side- since this form of 0wnership totally removes the initial cost of licensing the install.

Isn't this the guy on Comedy Central? (-1, Flamebait)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961678)

Isn't this the host of Insomniac? I'd be unable to sleep too if I shared the same bed with Microsoft. Sleep with dogs and you get fleas.

Blah.. Let the astroturfing begin.

PRO MS ON SLASHDOT I MUST BE DEAD?!?!?! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961681)

Can't believe a pro microsoft posting on slashdot I must have been ran over by a bus or something

ownership? (-1, Offtopic)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961682)

With Windows you NEVER are the owner. Or the owner is Microsoft (and you have a temporary permission to use it under certain circunstances, they call it license) or by itself gives the ownership to the next hacker/worm/trojan/etc that just tries to knock the door. That put the cost of ownership in 0 or high enough to need the fortune of bill gates (and in fact, BE him) to own Windows.

Yes, you got me. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961705)

My first response was "Great. Another MS funded piece of crap."


My first clue otherwise was the pie chart in the Executive Summary; "Difficulty of owning Windows vs Difficulty to make this graph".


Now, once I see the 0 in 0wning, I'm laughing my ass off...

Sick of lies about Ownership Costs (-1, Offtopic)

erroneus (253617) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961716)

First and last, you cannot own Windows. You can own a license which can, does and will expire or can might and has been revoked.

If you start from that fact alone, the people spending money begin to wonder what they are buying.

Re:Sick of lies about Ownership Costs (5, Interesting)

daveaitel (598781) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961781)

Dude, did you even read my paper? It's hardly MS propoganda. That's a zero on the front of 0wn. It's a play on words.

Re:Sick of lies about Ownership Costs (2, Funny)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961801)

You didn't read the article did you.

No I'm not new here.

Re:Sick of lies about Ownership Costs (1)

WolfWithoutAClause (162946) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961810)

First and last, you cannot own Windows.

No, no. They've proved it; they even included the source code.

CERT says myDoom cost $40 billion (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961717)

factor this!

I t0tally agree! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961721)

Excellent paper!! I h0pe the Cx0's 0ut there take a l0ng hard l00k.

In my 0rganizati0n, we've c0me t0 basically the same c0nclusi0n. In fact, the c0st 0f 0wnership f0r wind0ws f0r us has been *net negative*, due t0 the tremend0us number 0f an0nym0us v0lunteers we've f0und 0n the internet wh0 are m0re than willing t0 0wn 0ur machines f0r us!

Linux can't even t0uch that!

Re:I t0tally agree! (1)

gkwok (773963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961834)

tr/0/o/;

Dave Attell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961743)

Did anybody else think of Dave Attell [imdb.com] when reading that story summary? Especially the "0wnership" part.

Mod Article Up! :-) (4, Funny)

MooseByte (751829) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961747)


Too bad we can't mod articles up. That's the funniest thing I've read in quite awhile.

Just in time too - bad Friday juju around the office at the moment. I think I'll forward this around and lift the collective mood before a coffee pot goes flying into a random cubicle.

Re:Mod Article Up! :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961820)

Best part about this story is the comments of all the people that don't get it. Truly, a brilliant piece of work.

And yet they STILL run Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961752)

According to netcraft, they are: "running Apache on Linux when last queried at 8-Aug-2004 17:45:38 GMT"

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.im mu nitysec.com

So inspite of the fact that their paper presents them as yet another security wannabe (as in a script-kiddie with a website) they at least have the sense to not run Windows on their own servers. :)

Funny stuff.. (1)

adeyadey (678765) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961754)

Windows is indeed a cheap system to 0wn!

probably wrong topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961757)

This article should probably be primarily under the Humor "foot" section, not security. The foot is there, just not on the main page.

I stopped reading on the second page.. (0)

SRMoore (87075) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961764)

I stopped reading it when it referred to OS X as a toy os. I'm not a mac zealot, but I have found OS X to be a very good platform and would never consider it a 'toy os'. Because of this, I couldn't take the report seriously, when they put such a condescending slant on something like that.

Missing Logic (0)

Blindman (36862) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961767)

I'm only half way through the report, and it seems to have the worse logic that I have ever seen.

Most hackers run Linux or Mac, therefore Windows is safer. Where the hell does this come from?

Re:Missing Logic (1)

Blindman (36862) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961815)

I understand the error of my ways now. HA HA

Re:Missing Logic (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961825)

I think you read the report wrong, it's the total cost of "0wnership", as opposed to Ownership, meaning it's easier to crack a Windows box than Linux or Mac.

Yes, though, the report is flawed. At one point it insists Windows is unsafe because its users do not know very much about it.

...Huh? (1, Redundant)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961773)

That was weird. It felt like a joke as I was reading it, and when I was done I backed out to the fairly professional looking website. Even after reading some posts, it seems like some other people here can't really tell either, although it was kinda funny. Forgive and correct me if I'm wrong, because I've never heard of this company, but it looks like some 1337 h4x0rz who hired an art guy for the website and someone who faked a technical communications degree to proofread and format their reports.

Clarification (1)

Percent Man (756972) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961782)

Perhaps the article could have avoided the confusion we seem to be seeing on the /. boards - and retained its original meaning - if it had been titled "...Total Cost of Pwnership". (Though it would lose the subtlety points it now enjoys.)
Those of you flaming this article as astroturf should RTFA and NTFD (Notice the F***ing Details) so that you can GTFJ (Get the F***ing Joke).

My other computer... (5, Funny)

Dr. Brad (19034) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961790)

T-shirt: My other computer is your Windows box.

Take care,
brad

Ponder this ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961802)

Which came first the difficulty or the graph?

Re:Ponder this ... (1)

daveaitel (598781) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961852)

That was actually funny, instead of a "I don't understand the humor!" post. Someone mod this anonymous baby up! :>

-dave

How is this even close to objective? (0)

chobee (555901) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961809)

After he compiles his data, he discovers that Mac OSX has a lower total cost of ownership. To that he states "As clearly demonstrated, other than the toy OS Mac OS X, Windows has the lowest TCO on the Market." Do these guys ever listen to the reports put out buy business when a Window's virus rips Through companies infrastructure infecting everything and causing massive disruptions? The estimated damages are always HUGE. Even if you did patch your server it doesn't mean all the desktops in your company have been serviced. The colateral damage of a virus looking for unpatched windows machines is often as bad as being infected. Just for once I'd like to see a TCO report that accounts for this. -Cho

Hidden costs (2, Informative)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961816)

In the same way that IE is faster than IE (because it's part of the OS), Windows has a lower TOC because a lot of the training costs have been absorbed by the Government - the average high school student gets hundreds of hours of Windows specific training, and no Linux training.

I'm a dummy (typo) (1)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961847)

Should be "IE is faster than Mozilla"

In the same way that IE is faster than Mozilla (because it's part of the OS), Windows has a lower TOC because a lot of the training costs have been absorbed by the Government - the average high school student gets hundreds of hours of Windows specific training, and no Linux training.

WTFATTA? (1)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961835)

What the Fuck are they talking about? I understand it's a parody article, but I couldn't make sense of the gibberish in the article. Someone please explain!

"It's a joke, son...laugh" (1)

mrkurt (613936) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961837)

Total cost of 0wnership? Hmmm...

I like the graphic on page 3 of the PDF... comparing "Difficulty of 0wning Windows vs. Difficulty to make this Graph" ... LOL

Showing it to the board... (2, Funny)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961844)

What a difference a 0 vs an O can make. So I can assume that my board has no clue what it means to 0wn a system, show them the PDF, and get a pat on the back for choosing Windows. Or, I can show them this huge satire and have them ask why I chose Windows when Linux is clearly more secure, then have them fire my rear. Ah, the perplexities of IT...

It seems flawed... (1, Redundant)

shish (588640) | more than 10 years ago | (#9961846)

Linux (FC2) has had 3 0-day exploits, average time 6 days? wha? And they explicitly don't count rootkits, so it's only an upfront cost of 0wnership, not a /total/ cost of 0wnership...

Obligatory Zero Wing troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9961851)

All your base are belong to us.

I now own your box!

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