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Canadian Arrow Completes Drop Test

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the look-out-below,-eh dept.

Space 142

hpulley writes "The Canadian press is reporting that X-Prize entrant the Canadian Arrow made its first successful crew compartment drop test on Saturday. It is essentially a modern version of the German V2 rocket. This test was just a drop of the crew compartment to test the parachutes. Next comes a launch abort test to see if the crew can be safely sent away from the vehicle. No word yet on when they might launch the consecutive flights in two-week turnaround for the prize. Fellow Canadian entrant the da Vinci Project will try to launch October 2nd. In the fall, venerable model company Estes Rockets will have a new model of the Canadian Arrow along with models of other entrants like the Rubicon." Oddly enough, I saw the crew compartment being driven around in Toronto on Saturday morning (towed behind a white pickup truck), but I didn't know what they were up to.

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I AM PEATY WHEATSTRAW (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975574)

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Re:I AM PEATY WHEATSTRAW (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975676)

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Space Ship One (1)

machocomacho (760106) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975579)

I Believe Space Ship One will buy out the competition, and then dump the companies so only they can win, in about 15 years though, and open source space ship will be put into space.

Re:Space Ship One (1)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975621)

I Believe Space Ship One will buy out the competition, and then dump the companies so only they can win, in about 15 years though, and open source space ship will be put into space
And they will re-shape SSO into a huge penguin, and give free space GNUNIX accounts to anyone who washes less than a week. O yeah, and Stallman becomes 'His Excellency Commander Stallman' and gets to strut around in zero gee in squeeky leather boots and open crotch cowboy pants.

Cmon, you'd pay to see that, wouldn't you.

Re:Space Ship One (2, Insightful)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976340)

I Believe Space Ship One will buy out the competition, and then dump the companies so only they can win, in about 15 years though, and open source space ship will be put into space.

I know it's a joke / troll, but honestly, I think it's important to understand that there are several "competitors", but only one real contender, based on the development cycle and reality of the technological ability to achieve the goal. All these rocket people are trying to do this on garage technology, and the end result is going to be dead fools in a tin can, if they even try. It still cost a lot of money to send a body to space, even if it is done on the cheap. The Russians have perfected this. And while they are poor, they still have a lot more $$ than just about any of these guys. I see dead bodies.

Tintin? (4, Informative)

Peden (753161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975602)

Incredible how much that arrow looks like a smaller scale model of the rocket used in the comicbook about Tintin from the French cartoonist Hergé.

Re:Tintin? (4, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975633)

As Hercule Poirot would say, Hergé was a Belgian.

Re:Tintin? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975730)

All Belgians are paedophiles or gay.

Re:Tintin? (3, Informative)

goon america (536413) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975692)

...which is because both the Canadian Arrow and the lunar rocket in Tintin were based on the V2.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V2 [wikipedia.org] :
The lunar rocket in Hergé's Tintin comic books Destination Moon and Explorers on the Moon looks like a V-2, as do most science fiction rockets of the 1950's. What is unique about Hergé's book is that they also feature the chessboard test-pattern.

Re:Tintin? (0, Redundant)

Rxke (644923) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975704)

... Belgian cartoonist, to be pedantic ;)

Pendaticism (0)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975803)

To be extremely pedantic, Hergé wrote in French; therefore he wrote French cartoons; therefore he was a French cartoonist.

Ha!

Re:Pendaticism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975870)

Ah, but the capital F means you are referring to the people, not the language. So there.

Re:Pendaticism (1)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977387)

> Ah, but the capital F means you are referring
> to the people, not the language. So there.

No, it doesn't. Proper nouns in English are capitalized. If it did not have a capital F, it would be the verb to french (as in "I think I'll french some potatoes, and deep fry them").

Note the Merriam-Webster entry, particularly definition 1:

Main Entry: 1French
Pronunciation: 'french
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English frencisc, from Franca Frank
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of France, its people, or their language
2 : of or relating to the overseas descendents of the French people
- Frenchness noun

Re:Pendaticism (1)

smcavoy (114157) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975887)

hmmm... although completely off topic...
As he was belgian, I'm quite sure he (and anyone outside of america) would not consider himself a French cartoonist.
Just as a Quebecois cartoonist would not be a French cartoonist, or an American writing in english be an english one.

Re:Tintin? (2)

mothz (788133) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975708)

Incredible how much that arrow looks like a smaller scale model of the rocket used in the comicbook about Tintin from the French cartoonist Hergé.

But not altogether surprising. Science imitates art all the time, whether it's a fiction novel, movie, or even a comic. How many neat inventions have appeared in a Jules Verne story or an episode of "Star Trek" many years before they were ever built in real life? This is just one more case.

Re:Tintin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975745)

Herge was Belgian, not French.

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banned? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975616)

Arent model rockets banned or at least gets you put on a list?

Re:banned? (1)

Siergen (607001) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975666)

As I understand it, the small stuff I used to play with (A-D engines) is still operating under the same rules as always. It's the bigger, heavier rockets that have extra restrictions.

Re:banned? (1)

Blastrogath (579992) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976424)

I don't know about the US, but in canada IIRC larger rocket engies allways required a permit.

Re:banned? (1)

Radius9 (588130) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977095)

I believe it required some sort of permits to get them before. The issue is that now they are considered munitions, and therefore its not just a matter of getting the permits, but there are additional licenses you need to get to ship, handle, buy, launch, and store them. This puts it out of the range of most of the amatuer rocketeers who were doing this stuff before, as well as effectively shutting down quite a few of the companies that made the things in the first place.

Any of these guys German? (4, Funny)

aelbric (145391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975619)

It is essentially a modern version of the German V2 rocket.

Looks like London may not be safe yet. Someone call Tony Blair!

By the way, I have German ancestry (first generation American). Don't get all riled up.

Re:Any of these guys German? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975839)

Actually the Arrow is based in London - ONTARIO, so maybe if the rocket goes off course, London will be threatened - just the "other" London. :)

For what it is worth, one of the men building a part of the guidance system is of German ancestry too. Those of us who are his freinds have been teasing him to no end about that point.

Re:Any of these guys German? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975936)

Don't worry, be happy ...
No they aren't germans, and even v2rocket.com isn't, because of that little sentence:

"Dieses website auf englisch nur- für deutsche Übersetzung: Altavista", it's completely wrong
and should be:

"Diese Webseite ist nur für englischesprechende Besucher gedacht, Deutsche sollte die Altavistaübersetzung nehmen"

Re:Any of these guys German? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976886)

Being German, I have to tell you that your sentence is not correct either *g*, although it comes a lot closer than the pidgin German of that website..

Enlighten me... (3, Interesting)

FiReaNGeL (312636) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975628)

There's something I don't get with the X-prize craze...

The 10 millions US$ seems like a major incentive to participate... but isn't the cost of such an endeavour much, much higher than that? Even more so when you consider the fact that the actual chance to win is not that high...

Re:Enlighten me... (3, Informative)

Peden (753161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975641)

Yeah, but correct me if I am wrong... The people participating are doing it for a variety of other reason such as publicity, or just something to do in their spare time, with their spare money? John Carmack is said to use something like 60hours a week on Armadillo, and I doubt it that he is doing it to win 10million.

Re:Enlighten me... (4, Informative)

aelbric (145391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975645)

IMHO, I believe it's a combination of trying to get a jump in the emerging market of private space travel, trying to get one's name in the history books, and (hopefully) a great deal of the explorer spirit that appeals to more thoughtful people. This will need to be done, why not do it now while there's a little extra incentive?

Re:Enlighten me... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975738)

I know the Da Vinci project (Canadian team) had a budget around $5 million (CDN). So if they won they would stand to make a tidy sum.

$10 million (USD) prize...
Thats alot of Canadian pesos...

Plus. I think if one of the companies really succeeded, a $10 million prize would be nothing compared to the potential cash revenue (they could put nasa out of business!)

Re:Enlighten me... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976347)

"$10 million (USD) prize..."

What's that nowadays? about 50p in english money?

Re:Enlighten me... (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976675)

they could put nasa out of business!

How? Will it launch interplanatry probes? Will it launch bits of space stations? Will it launch people into orbit? (Yeah, OK nasa dont at the moment either, but they will again)

Sub orbital flight is a long way from orbital flight.

Re:Enlighten me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976758)

I know you're probably just trolling, but...

According to the Yahoo Currency Converter [yahoo.com] , USD 10 million = CAD 13,103,000, so they would make approximately CAD 8,103,000, based on the information you provided.

Re:Enlighten me... (4, Insightful)

bwy (726112) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976065)

The goal of someone like Scaled Composites, IMHO, isn't to win the X-Prize but to develop a private space program concept that can potentially be sold to someone like Virgin who would start offering suborbital tourism flights.

So, they've spent around $20 million US, and $10 mil is indeed half. If any company developing a new product could stand to get 1/2 of all of their expenses back by winning a contest, wouldn't that be icing on the cake?

In fact, note that the rules of the X-Prize (2 flights, 3 passengers, etc) are meant to be things that would encourage a company to actually do something important with their technology AFTER winning the X-Prize. So it is an interesting setup. While the X-Prize isn't the sole driving force, it has definately been a "shot in the ass" to keep teams working hard. I think the expiration date on the X-Prize was an absolutely great idea too- because it is working! Just look how many teams are making a final drive right now. As long as nobody dies- and I tell you these da Vinci guys, if they are serious, scare the bejesus out of me.

Re:Enlighten me... (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976182)

If I recall correctly, Armadillo Aerospace has only spent about $1.5 million on their X-Prize craft. The only group which has spent more than $10 million is Scaled Composites.

Re:Enlighten me... (2, Insightful)

aallan (68633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976378)

Armadillo Aerospace has only spent about $1.5 million on their X-Prize craft. The only group which has spent more than $10 million is Scaled Composites...

Which, barring a major upset, is probably who is going to win. I guess the old "You get what you pay for..." holds true to some extent.

Al.

Interesting (0, Flamebait)

SteveXE (641833) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975631)

I thought the purpose of this contest was to help get people into space...how many of you would really want to be dropped from the ship and parachute to the ground...id rather land like an airplane or the spaceshuttle myself.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975687)

I would take any method into space tested to work, including one with MS OS on board... wait, let me rephrase that...

Re:Interesting (1)

aelbric (145391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975699)

Well, parachuting to the ground worked for the Americans for almost 30 years. Never lost an astronaut either. OK, so we dropped into the water.

It worked for the Russians, though, and they never lost a.......oh wait.

Michael's a fucking canuck (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975642)

I should have guessed.

Re:Michael's a fucking canuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975659)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9977262)

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It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (5, Interesting)

Viking5150 (97471) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975648)

The Canadian Arrow was named after the Avro Arrow, a revolutionary jet interceptor built in Canada in the 1950s during the height of the cold war. It was years ahead of any other jet interceptor design at the time.

"A source of national pride, the Arrow incorporated advanced technical innovations and became a symbol of Canadian excellence.

One of the finest achievements in Canadian aviation history, the delta wing Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was never allowed to fulfill its mission. The Arrow weapons platform along with the Iroquois engine was cancelled by the Conservative Diefenbaker government February 20, 1959, less then 3 weeks before the MK2 Arrow was to take flight."


http://www.avroarrow.org/ [avroarrow.org]

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975900)

Why is this modded funny? The Avro Arrow was the most technologically advanced fighter plane of its time, it was cancelled to allow American dominance of the areospace industry. The F series of fighter planes never would have taken flight if the Arrow was manufactured.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (1)

Shky (703024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975934)

As a Canadian, I'd love to agree with you, but sadly that isn't the case. The US had very little to do with the project, it was short-sighted Canadian politicians that ruined it for us. They felt it was costing too much to take care of the Arrow project, as well as complying with NORAD. It was felt that the age of the interceptor was over, and that guided missiles were, to use a cliche, the wave of the future.

Obligatory WikiPedia Link [wikipedia.org]

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976124)

For every non-aggressive country, the age of the interceptor is over. Rogue nations have little to attack with except missiles, and peacekeeping is pretty hard to do at 50000 feet. The Arrow was a huge money pit and nothing more.

The best that ever happened to the Arrow project was its cancellation. Thanks to the Arrow being cancelled, it undeservedly gains a mythical status. If the Arrow had continued, it would be a huge sore spot, and the word "Avro" would be used just as derisively as the word "Bombardier".

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (1)

ckedge (192996) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976356)

Uhh, the Arrow was 40+ years ago, and the Soviet Union and it's massive bomber fleets still existed and flew along our coasts back then.

What the hell do you think we spent all that money on US built INTERCEPTORS for - like the POS Starfighter and the 160 or so F-18's? We were expected to pull our share of continental defence and in NORAD for a reason.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9977409)

the Soviet Union and it's massive bomber fleets

"its".

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976149)

That's the official line, yes. However, there are some shady goings-on if you care to dig a little deeper.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976154)

Yeah, well you really do need to read between the lines on this one. Avro was a British company, so there were no problems with the UK gov't. In fact, a lot of the money came from England. There were plenty of potential orders from the European allies, so it wasn't a financial problem. The problem was squarely with the Americans, who felt threatened because their aircraft weren't even close to the Arrow.

The US stopped the Arrow cold. The money was already spent, why cancel it two weeks before the test flights?

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975981)

Perhaps it was modded Funny because the moderator was a Canadian. The Arrow was an expensive boondoggle with a failed weapons system and thus had no future. In flight was as revolutionary as several other highly advanced 1958 prototypes.

It was not unique. It was not useful. It was expensive. It was indeed exciting as hell and beautiful and extremely advanced. It was rightly cancelled, but gutting the industry to do it was insane. That act established a martyr syndrome that pretty much guaranteed the nationalist myth.

The parent is perpetuating the myth. He might as well be proclaiming his hockey/baseball/football team is the best. It's that kind of mentality, highly related with a bit of Area 41 "I want to believe."

Well, sorry. I wanted to believe the Arrow myth when I was a kid too. But it just ain't so, so the parent should be modded Funny. Hell, let's add a joke about a beowulf cluster of the things.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (4, Funny)

stendec (582696) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976041)

Lies, lies, all lies! The Avro Arrow was rightly the advanced technomiracle it is popularly known to have been. Here's a brief -- brief -- list of some of its features:

First production aeroplane to sustain Mach 3 without afterburners.

Could fly in space.

Had a Hoser Flight Operator Detector to ensure it was not being flown by the enemy.

Could compose iambic verse in flight.

Was used by the University of Toronto's physics department to empirically test both Einstein's Special and General Theories of Relativity.

Could ratiocinate its own funding to the body politic.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976144)

Beautiful.

But you forgot the bit where we had to rate it in moosepower because horsepower isn't big enough. ...roll on, Red Green.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976957)

"Had a Hoser Flight Operator Detector to ensure it was not being flown by the enemy."

Would they be the enemies to Canada's north or the ones to Canada's south? :)

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976787)

but why did Diefenbaker order a perfectly servicable Arrow destroyed?

It's one thing to shut down an unprofitable line of work, but it's quite another to rip it apart and bury it. Diefenbaker could have calmly reoriented AVRO to do something else, but instead he chose to destroy it and subsequently cause every savvy engineer in the company to go south to Boeing instead.

Diefenbaker singlehandedly destroyed the Canadian aviation industry. Period.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (4, Insightful)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977142)

I won't comment specifically on the engineering aspects -- I've seen strong arguments in favour of it being both great and overrated. I'm unqualified to offer an opinion.

However, I'd argue that ultimately what killed this project was the invention of the ICBM. In the early 1950s the concepts pertaining to nuclear defense were interceptor based: chase down the bombers and destroy them before they could nuke your cities. The Arrow was intended to become a pre-emminent interceptor for its age.

What happened? US and NATO strategy changed. There was no chance of intercepting an ICBM w/ multiple warheads, and thus funding priorities changed. By the early 1960s it was obvious that an interceptor based strategy was no longer relevant. Fighters were being designed as air superiority fighters, tactical bombers, or all-weather craft. No customers = limited market for the Arrow. It was also way over budget (although close to completion of the Mk II) and thus the Diefenbaker government killed it.

I will agree that there's alot of myth and rumour about beligerent and nasty destruction of the program. Most of these are not founded in fact, and are tied to the managers of the Avro Arrow program and not politically motivated.

/$0.02 as couch military historian

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (1)

Igmuth (146229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976250)

I doubt that... There would have been a F series of fighter planes no matter what.

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976486)

the delta wing Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was never allowed to fulfill its mission.

What, shoot down Russian nuke bombers?

Re:It's named after the legendary Avro Arrow (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977349)

No it's not! It's a typo--It's supposed to be named after the Nestlé Aero Chunky Chocolate Bar [sickkids.on.ca] because the bubbly contruction, but there was a spelling mistake and then the sponsorship fell through, and...

You're not buying this, are you? *poot*!

Crew can be safely sent away from the vehicle... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975651)

Could this technology be used to eject Jehovah's Witnessess from the front porch?

Re:Crew can be safely sent away from the vehicle.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975686)

Unfortuneately no. This technology is designed to return the occupants SAFELY.

Woot for canada (5, Interesting)

g-to-the-o-to-the-g (705721) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975669)

Seeing as I haven't heard much news on any non-Canadian teams other then spaceshipone, this is awesome for Canada. We're going to be the first to make an official launch, and we now possibly have a second on the go. As things get closer to October (Canadian team launches on the 2nd, Americans on the 4th) this whole X-Prize thing is starting to get really interesting. Its pretty hard to predict how things will turn out right now, but it's definitely going to get very exciting.

On another note, I only live about 4 hours from where the first Canadian team is launching, so I'm going to get to experience that.

Re:Woot for canada (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975723)

Uhhh, isn't Scaled launching Sept. 29?

http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/index.htm [scaled.com]

Re:Woot for canada (2, Informative)

aelbric (145391) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975759)

Sorry, greatest respect for the Canadian team, but my money is on SpaceShipOne, literally. Bought stock in SpaceDev when they announced the engine contract for SS1. Pretty cool technology too, essentially, the SS1 engines burn a combination of rubber and nitrous oxide as fuel. Very safe and non-polluting from what I understand. Also capable of stopping and restarting after initial ignition. Can't do that with a solid fuel booster.

Hmmmm...maybe they should declare that they own the IP for Linux to pump the stock up. Gotta go make a call.....

Re:Woot for canada (2, Insightful)

g-to-the-o-to-the-g (705721) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975783)

errr...my bad. article here [space.com]

Re:Woot for canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975756)

That's only four miles from my house! *high five*

Re:Woot for canada (1)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976506)

We're going to be the first to make an official launch

No, some individuals living within the same political borders as yourself could potentially be the first to do it. I don't see what you, me, or any other Canadian not working on any of these projects is doing to make them part of the "we." I think its time we stopped the nationalist bs. Do you honestly think it's only ugly when Americans do it?

On a related note, I think it would be quite ironic if Canadian citizens did win the X Prize seeing as the Canadian government and most Canadians (they keep voting for those guys) seem to detest private industry and much prefer government dominance. The X Prize itself is designed to privatize an industry dominated by the government, whereas Canadians are keen to have the government take control of industries dominated by the private sector. Nothing illustrates my point better than the 2004 Leaders Debate where Jack Layton was complaining that (get this) private clinics were operating in Gatineau and no one was doing anything to stop them. None of the other party leaders called him on it, which just goes to show where they stand on the issue...
Anyway, don't blame me. I voted for the Conservative candidate in my riding.

Re:Woot for canada (1)

g-to-the-o-to-the-g (705721) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976526)

Wow, thanks for the kind response. I didn't realize it was such a horrible thing to be proud that I might get within walking distance of one of the first private spacecraft, let alone be proud that it was created by people who I have something in common with.

I voted liberal.

Re:Woot for canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9977074)

I voted liberal.

Ah. So you're one of the people who decided to send the message to our corrupt government that it's OK to embezzle public funds.

Hell, I'm from the prairies, and I would have voted for the Bloc (if I could have) before I'd have voted Liberal in the last election.

Re:Woot for canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976844)

i think you'll find that its only the older generation of Canadians that prefers their country's government to have all fingers and toes in every pie. In fact, i'll go out on a limb here and say that most of the younger generation isn't even bothering to vote, because none of the parties stand out from each other.

anyhow, i rarely post, but i thought i'd put in my two cents.. which would be: most canadians do not detest private industry or prefer government dominance. When the right party leader comes along that truly represents the interests of the younger generation of voters, then they will begin to take an interest. But right now the whole thing is a joke, and thats why your assessment of 'most canadians' attitudes is innacurate.. you're only getting an impression of the older generation because they're pretty much the only ones that bother to vote.

Arrows (2, Funny)

synthparadox (770735) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975689)

I thought arrows are supposed to be launched from a bow. I demand a refund! This arrow doesn't launch from a bow, and part of it breaks off and floats down... 0.o

I was there and have pix... (4, Informative)

jqs (67745) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975719)

My wife and I got up early, biked down to the islands and took the ferry over. We had a perfect vantage point as the crew compartment came down approximately a kilometre from us offshore. We were even closer to it than the emergency crews that were on hand in case it landed on the island (and you didn't see the slow moving object on parachutes coming at you...).

Re:I was there and have pix... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975767)

My wife and I got up early, biked down to the islands
Well, that's an interesting story Mr. Jackas--I mean jqs, I'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter.

Canadian *Arrow* (2, Funny)

bob65 (590395) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975721)

Interesting name, perhaps a bit nostalgic?

Re:Canadian *Arrow* (1)

Zalgon 26 McGee (101431) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975733)

For more info on parent, see:

http://www.avroarrow.org/

and

http://www.abbotsfordairshow.com/history/timelin e/ arrow-1997.jpg

If i had a choice... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975758)

I would choose to fly in the Da Vinci's projects spaceship over this rocket that looks like it could accidentally explode at any second. Da Vinci project uses helium balloon to get them most of the way up (around 80,000km IIRC), then they turn on the rockets to get all the way out.

Maybe its just me, but the idea of a "balloon" space ship just seems that much safer then one with 10 billion gallons of fuel.

Screw the ideal of private human spaceflight (1)

dupper (470576) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975775)

I just wanna go Spacediving [canadianarrow.com] .

Obligatory Tom Lehrer quote (1)

panurge (573432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975802)

"The rockets go up and the rockets come down
Where they land it ain't my fault, says Wernher von Braun".

Before you mark this off-topic, note the "based on the V2" reference.

Re:Obligatory Tom Lehrer quote (3, Informative)

3) profit!!! (773340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975826)

No, the quote is,
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?

That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.

Re:Obligatory Tom Lehrer quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9977435)

"I aim for the stars, but sometimes I hit london"

Re:Obligatory Tom Lehrer quote (1)

pigscanfly.ca (664381) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977149)

I think it went something more like
"The rocket goes and and the rocket comes down, where it comes down is not my department says wernher von braun"

Hmmm - somethins smells fishy... (3, Funny)

stienman (51024) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975820)

Are you sure they're Candian? The entire website is in Feet/Miles/Inches! Not a meter in sight!

I dunno. Sounds like we have a couple of american defectors doing the work up there... Time to bring those traiters back. ;-)

-Adam

Re:Hmmm - somethins smells fishy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976336)

idiot. traitors.

Re:Hmmm - somethins smells fishy... (3, Interesting)

Blastrogath (579992) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976400)

First, Canadian imperial mesurements are mostly but not allways the same as american "standard" mesurements. The gallon for example is a different size. I think there's no difference in the feet/miles/inches department though.

Speaking as a canadian, I use imperial as much as metric on a daily basis. Metric is used for weights and volumes, but not the weights of people. I don't know my height in metres and houses are built all in imperial but our highway speeds and distances are in Km. Metres are actually not in as common use as feet.

It's probably at least as easy for most canadians to understand something's height etc. in feet as in metres. If you're going to list some stats in imperial you may as well list them all that way, to be consistant.

Old technology (3, Interesting)

TheUncleBob (791234) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975828)

It seems strange that they are using 60 year old rocket design, and a pod that looks oddly like spaceship one's pod (All those black dots/windows)

I thought the x-prize would push innovation forward, not recycling (or has the patent on v2 rockets recently expired) . Otherwise couldn't we have done this 50 years ago?

Re:Old technology (3, Insightful)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975929)

I thought the x-prize would push innovation forward, not recycling (or has the patent on v2 rockets recently expired) . Otherwise couldn't we have done this 50 years ago?

Given that the X prize is for private industry reproducing results that were first achieved about 50 years ago, I don't see it as surprising that they're recycling 50 year old technology. The point is, though, that it's a lot cheaper for these guys to do it now than it was then, because of improvements in other areas of technology (largely materials and manufacturing processes).

Also, note that the X prize vehicle must be reusable (2 launch requirement), which none of the technology of the 50s was, so they have to make some improvements.

O.o; (4, Funny)

Eudial (590661) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975880)

A manned cruise missile.

Well, there ought to be a first time for everything.

Re:O.o; (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9975935)

Not the first time... The Japenese built manned cruise missles in WW2.

Re:O.o; (1)

Brianwa (692565) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976452)

Several countries used manned torpedos... Most Japanese versions had no way for the poilet to get out.

Re:O.o; (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976980)

No no, this would be a manned ballistic missile. Manned cruise missiles (the ones that follow the surface of the earth) were already developed and perfected by the Japanese in the 1940's.

Our government will stop them again... (0, Troll)

Corey Hart (797650) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975926)

Don't count on the Canadians winning... it makes things really easy when the project is named after the original Arrow... afterall the Canadians do really want to sell lumber and no so mad cows!

Scaled Composites? (0, Troll)

gumpish (682245) | more than 10 years ago | (#9975930)

So... what the hell happened to Scaled Composites and Space Shipe One?

Threw in the towel? Someone stole their ship? Shouldn't they have done their 2nd flight like 3 months ago?

Weak! (2, Funny)

flithm (756019) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976260)

As a proud Canadian citizen I am truly embarassed by the Canadian Arrow. It most certainly does not live up to the Avro Arrow, which was ingenious and revolutionary in every sense of the words.

Multi-stage space vehicles are so 1970s! Come on guys! Let's see some true innovation coming from Canada. Maybe, the Canada Super Arm, which would simply pick people up and put them directly into orbit. Or how about, the Canadian Slap Shot Ship, a large black single stage saucer like device launched via contact with a huge wood paddle.

Even I can think of better plans than the Canadian Arrow. Pffft.

Hmmm (0, Redundant)

MrLeFay (805711) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976298)

Why are they reinventing the wheel?

Estes to Orbit! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9976483)

>In the fall, venerable model company Estes Rockets will have...

When I read that, for a second my mind finished the sentence as, "...Estes Rockets will have its own X-prize entrant!"

Ah yes, I can just see it. Say, 20 stages, each with a cluster of 400 D12-0 engines. Better reinforce those balsa fins with some epoxy fillets, though. I don't think Elmer's Wood Glue is rated for supersonic applications.

Sex in Space (2, Funny)

Basehart (633304) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976639)

"Oddly enough, I saw the crew compartment being driven around in Toronto on Saturday morning (towed behind a white pickup truck)"

Those were the low velocity sex tests. Watch out for the crew compartment being sent over the Niagara Falls for the more advanced Sex in Space tests.

damnit (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 10 years ago | (#9976913)

we bombed the German V2 website out of existence...

Re:damnit (1)

balster neb (645686) | more than 10 years ago | (#9977369)

From v2rocket.c om

This domain name has been temporarily suspended for exceeding the daily bandwidth quota. The site will be automatically turned on again at 12:00AM PST (unless the site's allocated monthly limit is reached).

If you are the owner of this website, you can order more bandwidth here.

As the owner of a successful Website, it may be time to upgrade to one of Globat's dedicated server solutions. Please call 1-877-2GLOBAT for more information.


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