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D-Link's USB-Powered Access Point

michael posted about 10 years ago | from the it's-everywhere-you-want-to-be dept.

Wireless Networking 206

Roger Ryder writes "D-Link announced the AirPlus G DWL-G730AP Wireless Pocket Router/AP, a pocket Access Point for travelers. It can be powered by a USB cable and works as an 802.11g access point, client or router. A 3-way configuration switch on the bottom of the unit changes the mode of operation. In AP mode, the DWL-G730AP can be used to create a wireless network in a room where a single Ethernet port is provided. In Router mode, it can be used to share a single broadband Internet connection. The internal DHCP server automatically assigns IP addresses to ensure everyone in the room can connect to the Internet. It supports VPN Pass-through and firewall features including Network Address Translation (NAT) and MAC filtering to protect your wireless network from malicious attacks. When set in Wireless Client mode, the device allows connection to an existing wireless network, without having to install complicated drivers or additional software. For added mobility, the DWL-G730AP can be powered over USB if power outlets are not available. Similar devices are available from ASUS, SMC, Apple's AirPort Express and Netgear."

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Is that a router in your pocket (3, Funny)

Try to think about i (661547) | about 10 years ago | (#9996827)

Or are you happy to see me?

Re:Is that a router in your pocket (-1)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | about 10 years ago | (#9996866)

"Is that a router in your pocket Or are you happy to see me?"

Yeah, mod that up. These jokes are so .RAR.

Again? (3, Interesting)

thejoelpatrol (764408) | about 10 years ago | (#9996833)

This looks like another ad/press release. First the Nokia phone, now a wifi product. Why are these getting approved?

Re:Again? (3, Interesting)

geoffybiggins (160923) | about 10 years ago | (#9996887)

If it was an ad then there wouldn't be mention of competing products in the same post would there? I think you're looking at this the wrong way, it's more a pointer towards emerging consumer-level tech that pretty much everyone here would be interested in rather than a shameless plug.

Re:Again? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 years ago | (#9996905)

but then again just by mentioning those similar products that THIS IS HARDLY NEWS.

if it were a review for a new type of product or had something truly unique and was fresh then it would be newsworthy.

or would you like to see cheapo nic's reviews on slashdot as well?(well, actually some that really did test performance would be quite useful..)

Re:Again? (4, Insightful)

Alcimedes (398213) | about 10 years ago | (#9996902)

Because new technology is interesting to geeks? This is the first (to my knowledge) USB powered access point. That's news, at least to people who travel a lot.

Every day I get people walking into my office asking me advice about technology I personally haven't had a chance to play around with. An article like this gives me a shot to read about a cool new product that I probably wouldn't have thought to look up until a day or so before I was leaving for a trip. Dunno, I don't mind having articles posted that give out info on new tech. that has unique features.

Re:Again? (1)

thejoelpatrol (764408) | about 10 years ago | (#9997030)

With the proper software, any number of products like this can be USB-powered access points: http://www.macsense.com/product/broadband/WUA400.h tml

Re:Again? (0)

randyest (589159) | about 10 years ago | (#9997053)

Your post confuses me. I read your (broken) link [macsense.com] (HTML isn't hard -- try it!) and it seems that "any number" is, well, one.

Maybe it's just me, but given the wording of your post, I expected more than one. I suppose "one" is "any number," but I think that's phrase is usually reserved for cases where there are several.

Re:Again? (1)

randyest (589159) | about 10 years ago | (#9997148)

Slashdot ate half my post, 503 errors suck, here's the full post

Your post confuses me. I read your (broken) link [macsense.com] (HTML isn't hard -- try it!) and it seems that "any number" is, well, one. And, unless you mean drivers (which the Airpad requires, but the new D-Link device does not,) I don't understand what software has to do with it.

Most importantly, the product you linked to requires a computer to be connected to the ethernet port, upon which drivers muct be installed, and into which the Airpad connects to allow other computers to share said connection.

In contrast, the new D-Link device plugs directly into the ethernet port and seems to allow any number of (and I do mean more than one!) devices to connect to it -- none of which need be PC or Mac computers, and so no drivers are required. Examples of such devices include Audrey [audreyhacking.com] , ReplayTV [digitalnetworksna.com] , TiVO [tivo.com] , Xbox with network connector [xbox.com] , or playstation2 with network connector [playstation2.com] just to name (and link) a few.

Maybe it's just me, but given the wording of your post, I expected more than one. I suppose "one" is "any number," but I think that's phrase is usually reserved for cases where there are several. I also expected an equivalent device (hint: USB-power isn't the main feature) which the device you mentioned is not.

And, since the Airpad costs $92 [priceleap.com] and requires a computer (PC or Mac only,) and the D-link device is $99 [shipitforyou.com] with no computer required I can think of (and link to) any number of possible devices for which this new product may have applications where the Airpad can't work.

Re:Again? (2, Insightful)

howlatthemoon (718490) | about 10 years ago | (#9997189)

So I need to hook it to the the USB port on my computer and then plugin the ethernet cable into wall? IS THIS WIRELESS? Or, I need to carry this device and YAB (yet another brick). The Apple product's design is much more user friendly for travel. They should do something like that. It is easier for me to plug the ethernet into my laptop and make it into an access point.

What is the big deal about USB power? It doesn't free you from being attached to the wall. And, if I want to share my wired connection, my internal wireless card is a lot easier to carry.

Re:Again? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996963)

I think you could rate this as a possible gadget.

News for nerds? Not today :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997037)

Slashdot - Ads for Nerds, Stuff that make OSDN Money. Or something stupid like that.

Wireless Internet - Just add a wire! (5, Funny)

waynelorentz (662271) | about 10 years ago | (#9996834)

So, when I'm on the road in a hotel I can plug this into my USB port, then plug an Ethernet cable into it and surf wirelessly? Oh... except for the Ethernet cable plugged into my USB port.

Re:Wireless Internet - Just add a wire! (4, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | about 10 years ago | (#9996931)

no, if you are holding an impromptu meeting within a hotel room, that has one ethernet jack, you can have everyone in the room, online through your connection..

also, if you have adjoing rooms with someone travelling with you on a business trip, you can share a connection if they 1-charge for a connection per day or 2-one or the other jack is out of service.

Wrong - You Become an ISP (1, Redundant)

Donny Smith (567043) | about 10 years ago | (#9997105)

Here's a biz model:

1. Get a USB wireless hub
2. Pay for WLAN access at Starbucks
3. Get a seat at Starbucks and resell cheap WLAN access to other guests
4. And the /.-mandatory: Profit

Okay... (-1, Troll)

jhoffoss (73895) | about 10 years ago | (#9996835)

Dear Michael,

I never realized it, but Slashdot apparently is nothing but a billboard. How many more commercials for products, sans articles/review, will we get to see tonight?

Can't wait for the next one!

Re:Okay... (0, Offtopic)

gkuz (706134) | about 10 years ago | (#9996907)

At least this one doesn't have the same horrid "IT" color scheme as the Nokia press release did.

Re:Okay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996956)

Best part is that most of us already read about this a day or two ago on other blogs. /. has jumped the shark

Re:Okay... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997008)

anyone who uses the term "jumped the shark" is an Eric Estrada approved homo.

i'll use the phrase just once, pay attention closely, here it is:

The website that put forth this idea of "jumping the shark", jumped the fucking shark the first day it was rolled out.

they should all be fucking fed to the sharks. including you, parent.

Re:Okay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997031)

translation: "waah, girls don't like me"

Re:Okay... (3, Insightful)

jrockway (229604) | about 10 years ago | (#9996999)

It's not a fucking ad. It's slightly interesting. How else would have you found out about this AND gotten to hear comments about it, anyway.

Even if it is an ad, what right do you have to complain. You're not paying for slashdot. Go elsewhere if you don't like it. I'm a subscriber (read: I pay money to see slashdot) and I love articles like this. Okay!?

This is becoming the new cliché on slashdot... "this is an ad... slashdot sucks... whine whine"

It's been said so many times that it's not interesting, insightful, or funny. That makes it -1 Redundant.

Re:Okay... (1)

MacJedi (173) | about 10 years ago | (#9997114)

I'm happy that you love "slightly interesting" articles like this. However, not all of us do. What would make the most sense would be for Slashdot to add a "PR" category so that those who do not like it filter drivel like this away.

P.S. There is always a right to complain.

Re:Okay... (1)

Gunark (227527) | about 10 years ago | (#9997187)

By the same logic.... what right do you have to complain about someone else complaining that this post is an ad? You're not paying for slashdot. Go elsewhere if you don't like it.

This is becoming the new cliché on slashdot... "this is someone complaining about slashdot... go somewhere else if you don't like it... whine whine"

The moral here: you're free to complain about other people's complaints, but that makes your complaints kind of ironic :)

And this post (0)

Karma Star (549944) | about 10 years ago | (#9997204)

isn't fucking insightful. Really, who the hell modded this up (hint: starts with a Cmdr, ends with a Taco)? It's an ad. You'd have to be a goddamned moron not to pick up on it (or working for slashdot).

Reviews ??? Re:Okay... (1)

Sam Nitzberg (242911) | about 10 years ago | (#9997067)

I wouldn't exactly call them reviews, but I always look forward to getting my next article on SCO / The Caldera Group ! :-)

Welcome! (-1, Flamebait)

Buelldozer (713671) | about 10 years ago | (#9996836)

To slashad! Where you can read ad copy sooner then anyone else! Seriously guys, you should try and limit the adspew direct sell articles to one per day...tops.

Re:Welcome! (-1, Flamebait)

Buelldozer (713671) | about 10 years ago | (#9996969)

Yeah I know, replying to myself and all... Still it just amazes me that I get modded "Offtopic" but the four guys ahead of me who expressed the same sentiment all got "Funny" or "Insightful". I love slashmods!!!

Re:Welcome! (0, Redundant)

jrockway (229604) | about 10 years ago | (#9997010)

Gee you copy other people's posts and then you get modded down? We heard the idea once, and that was enough. Think of something else to say.

Re:Welcome! (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | about 10 years ago | (#9997080)

All but one were posted within a minute of each other...you call that copying?

Re:Welcome! (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | about 10 years ago | (#9997178)

There were zero responses when I typed it out, the other posters apparently hit send 1/10th of a second faster then I did. :-)

Re:Welcome! (0, Offtopic)

zieroh (307208) | about 10 years ago | (#9997190)

To slashad! Where you can read ad copy sooner then anyone else

Well, except that this announcement is, like, many days old. I've come to realize recently that slashdot is not really very timely on these types of things.

See Gizmodo's Report [gizmodo.com] from last Friday.

Re:Welcome! (1, Insightful)

thedillybar (677116) | about 10 years ago | (#9997199)

Are you physically capable of reading the headline D-Link's USB-Powered Access Point and just skipping over it? Don't read the comments, don't post a comment, don't click on the link.

We don't need to hear about it everytime you don't like an article.

New way to war drive? (3, Interesting)

jarich (733129) | about 10 years ago | (#9996838)

Cruise into an internet cafe, turn your access point, then innocent bystanders will use your access point instead the cafes.

Hang out for an hour, record the packets, go home and extract email passwords, etc...

This would probably work in an apartment complex, etc as well

Re:New way to war drive? (4, Informative)

damiam (409504) | about 10 years ago | (#9996894)

You don't have to be the AP to sniff wireless packets, it's quite easy to do so as a client.

Re:New way to war drive? (1)

einer (459199) | about 10 years ago | (#9997000)

Just put your card into promisc and run some sniff soft... ? Why bother with the ap? Or is there something an ap can do that my wifi laptop can't?

Re:New way to war drive? (1)

dgatwood (11270) | about 10 years ago | (#9997106)

Or is there something an ap can do that my wifi laptop can't?

Yeah. Man-in-the-middle attacks, DNS spoofing, probably a few others.... Well, your laptop could do DNS spoofing by spoofing the source address... but not reliably. With an AP, it no longer requires taking advantage of a race condition. :-)

Re:New way to war drive? (0, Offtopic)

bozojoe (102606) | about 10 years ago | (#9997001)

You forgot step 4

PROFIT!!!

Please Enlighten Me (1)

Icarus1919 (802533) | about 10 years ago | (#9996840)

Could someone tell me how this would be useful? Honestly, I don't know.

It seems to me that if you were traveling and you were at a place that had broadband, then you most likely brought along a laptop. Wouldn't it be easier to just buy an ethernet cable rather than paying for this?

Re:Please Enlighten Me (4, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | about 10 years ago | (#9996912)

There are three ways to connect from a hotel: a modem, an Ethernet jack, and a 802.11b network. If you have the #1 or #3 then the device does not apply at all. If you have #2 then you can surf while in the bed, for example.

Even the bed example is not a best fit; business travelers are usually tired enough, and they spend more time in restaurants (between 6pm and midnight) than in bed.

Even more detached from reality is the claim that you can share the connection. Sure you can, but with who? When you travel you have your room to yourself. I don't see any scenario when a bunch of people suddenly needs to share some Internet connection. I travel with other people sometimes, and we have notebooks... but sneakernet with USB flash disks is the media of choice; besides, we all have Internet access in our rooms, often included into the bill which we don't pay ourselves anyway, along with newspapers which we don't have time or desire to read.

This device may be useful to someone - anything is useful to someone, somewhere. But when I travel I need an Access Point much less than a spare battery, for example, or a stack of CDs. I do not need this AP on the road, and I don't know anyone who would need it.

Besides, most of business travelers are sales people, not very familiar with computers and rightfully afraid to mess with them. These guys know how to turn the thing on and how to start their PowerPoint presentation, and that's pretty much all they know. The good part is that they don't even need to know more.

Re:Please Enlighten Me (1)

dgatwood (11270) | about 10 years ago | (#9997134)

If you have #2 then you can surf while in the bed, for example.

I was thinking more like a small office situation where you could have one computer dealing with your ISP's broken PPPOE implementation, with a USB AP providing a network for everybody else. That said, there's not much advantage to that over buying a stand-alone AP....

Re:Please Enlighten Me (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | about 10 years ago | (#9997196)

This would be of use in option 3 as well, as one of it's modes of operation is as a usb-wifi adapter. Since it runs off the power the laptop pumps into the USB port, you would not need to carry a second cable around to power the adapter.

Whether it is a 'good' use I don't know. Most laptops come with an ethernet interface these days. That eliminates the need to use a device like this as an ethernet adapter. Add a PCMCIA Wifi card that can act as an AP, and some software in the background to do nat/ipmasq, dhcp services, etc. and you already have just about everything you get out of this device.

The only thing I see this device providing over a laptop with a built in ethernet and a wifi pcmcia interface (or embeded wifi card) is ease of converting from one mode to the other. Whether that is of importance to you, I can't say.

-Rusty

Re:Please Enlighten Me (1)

penteren (793643) | about 10 years ago | (#9996930)

We often would have tech salesmen come in to give us demos of their products. They often would want to set up a small local network, and would either have to bring a router and string cables everywhere or else bring their own wireless hub, which would often be fairly large and clunky, and would require searching for an open electrical outlet. I see this as being quite useful for those type of salesmen. It would save a huge amount of setup time for them when coming in to do demos.

Re:Please Enlighten Me (4, Interesting)

D'Arque Bishop (84624) | about 10 years ago | (#9997020)

Well, let me give a real-world application that I have used...

At E3 this year, four of us were sharing two rooms, but we were doing all of our work in one room. Three of us had laptops, and we all would be doing work that would have required wireless internet. We knew our room would have internet access via ethernet, so I had brought along a full-size D-Link access point/router so that all three of us could use the internet access via wireless at the same time. Having one of these devices (or preferably an AirPort Express, had they been out at the time) would have saved me some room in my laptop bag.

Just my $.02...

News older than Dick Cheney (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996841)

And stinkier than America's foreign policy.

Next Article!

(Read about this over 5 days ago)

Re:News older than Dick Cheney (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996946)

Holy Crap! Dick Cheney is younger that 5 days old?!

wow (0, Flamebait)

kayen_telva (676872) | about 10 years ago | (#9996842)

not even attempting to hide blatant infomercials now. but i guess they do it for all things apple so I shouldnt bitch.

Re:wow (1, Offtopic)

jhoffoss (73895) | about 10 years ago | (#9996869)

Sad thing is, this isn't even Apple. Apple is just mentioned. Apparently that's enough though. That must be why some of the interesting/relevant stories I've submitted were denied! Because it didn't mention Apple! How moronic of me!

/me goes off somewhere else...

Re:wow (1)

kayen_telva (676872) | about 10 years ago | (#9997046)

perhaps I needed a comma in there somewhere. I did not mean that this article was about apple, just that if its ok for apple to have a story on every product release, I guess its ok for any company to be blatantly advertised for.

Re:wow (0, Offtopic)

kayen_telva (676872) | about 10 years ago | (#9997032)

Proof that mentioning apple in a negative light gets you modded down.
I present 3 other comments rated UP for saying almost the same thing:

1 [slashdot.org] , 2 [slashdot.org] , 3 [slashdot.org] .


you MAC fanboys are pathetic.

uh oh..those are sliding down too.

D-Link catching up (5, Interesting)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | about 10 years ago | (#9996844)

Looks like D-Link's been doing its homework.

I recently bought a D-Link 802.11g+ card. The loaf at Best Buy expressed doubts about whether D-Link's 108Mbps "protocol" (compression, etc on regular g) would work with Netgear's 108Mbps protocol and he suggested I buy the same company's brand for the entire network.

Naturally, I ignored him. It works fine.

If D-Link can keep making devices that perform reliably and interact correctly with those of other manufacturers, I say "Great!"

Re:D-Link catching up (0, Troll)

Team_Peppy (805821) | about 10 years ago | (#9996994)

Not only are they making reliable devices, but think about this: The smaller they are and less power these things require, the faster we will get to the World Wide Mesh!! Everywhere you go, everywhere you look, millions of packets flying around us. It has to be the precursor to Wonkavision!! Keep that technology advancing D-Link!!

Re:D-Link catching up (1)

randyest (589159) | about 10 years ago | (#9997194)

Your post pleases me in two ways:
  • You reminded me of Wonkavision. (Not the band [wonkavision.com.br] , the [imdb.com] movie [geocities.com] .)
  • I see that there are now more than 800k [slashdot.org] registered users on Slashdot, which means that I'm that much closer to being able to sell my "low" userid on ebay. [padawan.info]


Thanks for the laugh!

Re:D-Link catching up (2, Informative)

Jardine (398197) | about 10 years ago | (#9997126)

I recently bought a D-Link 802.11g+ card. The loaf at Best Buy expressed doubts about whether D-Link's 108Mbps "protocol" (compression, etc on regular g) would work with Netgear's 108Mbps protocol and he suggested I buy the same company's brand for the entire network.

It's my understanding that they achieve (in theory) 108 Mbps by taking up two channels that don't interfere with each other and running 54Mbps over each channel.

Apple Zealot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996848)

Attack of the clones!

(AirEx user)

Why is this newsworthy? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996856)

Can I punch Michael in the nose?

Awesome (2)

mboverload (657893) | about 10 years ago | (#9996858)

Now THAT is awesome, just what I have been looking for when I fix computers and laptops. Just stick it in there and not having to worry about hubs and ethernet cables.

Been there, done that. (2, Interesting)

naitro (680425) | about 10 years ago | (#9996862)

I fail to see how this is any different (from a linux geek's point of view) from using any prism2-based WLAN card with the Host AP drivers [epitest.fi] .

Might appeal to PHBs without the necessary 'mad skillz', though, but these are hardly Slashdot's target audience.

Re:Been there, done that. (3, Informative)

j1m+5n0w (749199) | about 10 years ago | (#9996989)

I fail to see how this is any different (from a linux geek's point of view) from using any prism2-based WLAN card with the Host AP drivers.

Well, you can use 802.11g instead of just b, you don't have to tie up a computer as a dedicated access point, you don't have to have kernel source lying around to install it, and it probably uses less power and generates less noise than a computer.

I like hostAP, but its not the easiest or best solution in all circumstsances.

-jim

Not as neat a package as the AirPort Express (4, Insightful)

nickovs (115935) | about 10 years ago | (#9996865)

This seems to serve the same purpose as the AirPort Express for the business traveller except that it has a separate power supply (unless you want to tether yourself to it with a USB cable). The fact that the power supply is not built in seems to me to limit its utility quite a lot. Given it costs 80% as much as the AirPort and also lacks the printer sharing (and non-sequitur music streaming) I have a hard time seeing this being a commercial success.

Re:Not as neat a package as the AirPort Express (1)

stienman (51024) | about 10 years ago | (#9997116)

The fact that the airport express cost $30 more ($129 vs $99) and cannot be powered by the computer seems to limit its usefulness.

It's going to be tethered to something - either your internet connection (next to a plug) or to your computer (next to a usb port).

It's not for everybody, for every use. But it is likely to be a commercial success.

-Adam

You can't link to the Apple Store like that. (3, Informative)

Xenex (97062) | about 10 years ago | (#9996872)

Aircraft LAN parties! (5, Funny)

RWaye (778934) | about 10 years ago | (#9996875)

The only use I see for this is LAN parties on Planes/Busses/Trains. I am sure the person in the seat next to me would enjoy it when my buddy from the back of the plane storms up and throws a glass of coke at me screaming "STOP AWPING NOOB!".
The fact that this could also screw up plane communications and positioning equipment is irrevelant. No one ever uses that stuff anyway... ;)

It's not that bad people (2, Interesting)

ian rogers (760349) | about 10 years ago | (#9996882)

It's not that bad. I'm sure this will be useful for people who don't want to carry a router with them if they have more than one laptop or something in a hotel room, or if they go somewhere without a network yet want to use more than one computer at a time. What's so bad about a new versitile product, even if it does have a brand name on it?

Laptop Battery (2, Insightful)

lateralus_1024 (583730) | about 10 years ago | (#9996910)

Congrats..Your laptop battery life has just gone down from 2hrs45min to 20 minutes(10 if you're trying to achieve FP!).

Re:Laptop Battery (1)

Fred_A (10934) | about 10 years ago | (#9996978)

That was my first thought as well...

Except that in my case it would go down from 35 minutes to about 3 1/2...
Time to upgrade my laptop I guess...

free alternative- use your existing wifi adapter (4, Informative)

way2trivial (601132) | about 10 years ago | (#9996916)

PCTel's Segue Soft Access Point Module (SAM) [pcmag.com] is a clever piece of software that turns any LAN-connected PC into a Wi-Fi wireless access point. Given the low price of Wi-Fi APs (typically $60 or less), SAM might not appear to make economic sense. But SAM's price is even lower: Several motherboard and wireless chipset makers have purchased licenses to include SAM with their products, making SAM effectively free to end users. And for setting up a temporary AP in a hotel room, meeting room, or the like, it's a darn clever solution.

Re:free alternative- use your existing wifi adapte (1)

Have Blue (616) | about 10 years ago | (#9997184)

Also worth pointing out that OS X can do this out of the box. (And if XP can't, I'm surprised...)

Simple solution (0, Redundant)

dj245 (732906) | about 10 years ago | (#9996919)

For these stories that are nothing but ads in disguise, I encourage everyone to not post comments in these stories and not moderate anything up nor down. If nobody is modded up, people with thresholds won't find anything to read in the comments and will move on. Maybe we can get the message across that we are not interested in these types of adverstoryments.

Feel free not to moderate me at all.

Re:Simple solution (0, Offtopic)

freeweed (309734) | about 10 years ago | (#9997035)

Feel free not to moderate me at all.

Starting Score: 1 point
Karma-Bonus Modifier +1 (Edit)
Total Score: 2

Looks like it's working so far. Betcha I get a Funny + or two tho :P

MOD PARENT UP! (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | about 10 years ago | (#9997081)

Sorry, had to. :P

built in Airport (4, Informative)

mbaudis (585035) | about 10 years ago | (#9996928)

two notes:

1. the mobile hub feature can be useful. traveling with two powerbooks, my wife and i frequently use a single network access (dialup, ethernet) in hotels, sharing it from one machine over ad hoc wlan

2. well, with a powerbook (or stationary mac with airport card), you get this option built in, without any hassle with a separate device or dlls from hell...

(please insert your apple rant here:... thanks.)

Re:built in Airport (1)

adelayde (185757) | about 10 years ago | (#9996941)

no rant. was just about to write the same. the internet connexion sharing over the airport is great and i've used it many times for just this purpose, the ibook works the same.

i also have a thing about d-link equipment, namely that it's pretty pants normally.

a more useful idea (3, Interesting)

boots@work (17305) | about 10 years ago | (#9996938)

would be an ethernet-powered access-point: just one plug for an Ethernet port, and it bridges and/or NATs onto that connection.

I don't know how much power you can safely draw over Ethernet. Maybe it's not enough. But it would be cool if it worked.

Power over ethernet exists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997099)

And so do APs that work with it [meshcube.org] . The PoE is 802.3af [ieee802.org]

Re:a more useful idea (1)

ejaw5 (570071) | about 10 years ago | (#9997115)

http://www.edoceo.com/networking/ethernet.php

The pinout for ethernet connection has grounds, and transmits and receive lines, lacking a Vcc supply. USB, PS/2 and serial have GND and +5v to supply some juice the the device.

Re:a more useful idea (1)

boots@work (17305) | about 10 years ago | (#9997191)

I realize that standard ethernet doesn't have a VCC line. But you can be more creative: since data is transmitted by a modulated signal, you can use a DC potential between the two pairs to transmit power, or you can use the two spare pairs that are unused by most installations.

See this diagram [poweroverethernet.com] .

802.3af requires upgraded equipment which is currently rare. Therefore my question: how much load can you put on the rx pair without degrading the signal or hurting the other machine? Probably not very much, but more than zero. Not enough, I suppose, to run a Wifi emitter.

Re:a more useful idea (1)

Spoing (152917) | about 10 years ago | (#9997172)

  1. I don't know how much power you can safely draw over Ethernet. Maybe it's not enough. But it would be cool if it worked.

POE -- power over ethernet -- is used in quite a few wireless routers/aps/... . There's even a spec for it. I think 12 volts works well, though that's from memory. In most cases, that's enough to run most devices that use a power brick. The typical use for POE is to power remote APs without having to run a power cord.

The upper limit? I don't know...though if you give your 5v device 12v you deserve what you get!

On the other hand, power loss over the length of the cable can be substantial. Be sure to check out the power loss calculators on line if you intend to have long runs of it (close to or over ~100ft).

8 wires on a typical ethernet cable, 4 are in use for data, 4 aren't -- though the other 4 can be used for phone lines or a second ethernet connection. Quite handy.

Are you happy to see me? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996948)

Nobody seemed to mention that there is a lot of stuff to carry here. Compare this to the very, very compact size of Airport Express. How is this thing from D-Link convenient?

A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (3, Informative)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 10 years ago | (#9996954)


Probably the best way to connect securely when traveling cheaply is to boot a cyber cafe computer from a Knoppix CD. That way you can be certain there are no keystroke recorders installed by some previous user. Basically, you will want to check your bank accounts and get your email from a web-based client. So Knoppix gives you everything you need: an OS and a browser.

There might still be a problem with a hardware-based keystroke recorder, but that level of expertise is unlikely, I think. A thief who could do that could get a good job, and wouldn't need to be a thief.

Re:A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (1)

La Fortezza (690838) | about 10 years ago | (#9997022)

There might still be a problem with a hardware-based keystroke recorder, but that level of expertise is unlikely, I think.

It's not quite as hard [keyghost.com] as you think.

Re:A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (1)

Lord Omlette (124579) | about 10 years ago | (#9997029)

2600 had an article on hardware keystroke recorders. Basically just something you stick between the keyboard & the pc, usually small enough to not be noticed unless you know exactly what you're looking for. No expertise required. Simple check to see whether your keyboard plugs into the computer or if there's an intermediary...

Only if you call... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997061)

...plugging things in expertise:

ssdfsdfasdfasdfsadf [staticusers.net]

Re:A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (4, Funny)

freeweed (309734) | about 10 years ago | (#9997066)

There might still be a problem with a hardware-based keystroke recorder, but that level of expertise is unlikely, I think. A thief who could do that could get a good job, and wouldn't need to be a thief.

Hire me, please! [keyghost.com]

Re:A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (2, Informative)

ilctoh (620875) | about 10 years ago | (#9997082)

There might still be a problem with a hardware-based keystroke recorder, but that level of expertise is unlikely, I think. A thief who could do that could get a good job, and wouldn't need to be a thief.

I don't think it takes much skill to use a hardware based like this one [yahoo.com] . For those of you too lazy to look at the page, it has nice step-by-step install instructions: unplug keyboard, plug recorder into keyboard port, plug keyboard into recorder. Yeah, lots of skill and expertise needed there.

Re:A Knoppix CD provides a secure OS and browser. (1)

Fear the Clam (230933) | about 10 years ago | (#9997111)

It actually requires less expertise to leave and retrieve a hardware keystroke logger than it does to try to circumvent unknown protection to install your own logging software. Sure, the hardware costs more, and you have to come back for the pickup, but you don't have to care what OS the public system is running or how it's locked down.

Still think Airport Express has this thing beat (2, Interesting)

digitalgimpus (468277) | about 10 years ago | (#9996957)

Airport express is more compact (no extra crap to carry around). It also has airtunes (hopefully someone will get a driver for mac/windows/linux so it can do more than just music).

That extra couple dollars is worth the design.

Offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9996962)

Sorry, I just had to post this [www.sco.pl]

OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (1)

menscher (597856) | about 10 years ago | (#9996982)

Kinda off-topic, but I was considering buying a DLink 514 wireless router since it's so much cheaper than the linksys equivalent. I've seen a lot of scathing reviews online, but those are mostly from the non-technical crowd (firmware update? wazzat?). I'd love to know if any /.ers have tried this out, and were successful.

Re:OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (1)

saned (736423) | about 10 years ago | (#9997016)

I don't remember exactly the model number, but the D-link wireless access point/router I got didn't work for me. 3 feet was all the reach I got, using a different power source though (15V). It could have been that, but the Linksys I bought after that worked out of the box.
YMMV

-P@

Re:OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997065)

Nope. The complaints about that router steered me to the Linksys WRT54G. It's generally considered to be reliable, and there are IIRC three separate 3rd-party firmware projects.

Kind of a sucky time to buy networking gear due to universities starting back up, but the WRT54G is $61 at amazon before 10 MIR.

Re:OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (1)

bradasch (516015) | about 10 years ago | (#9997121)

I have one in my room and it works ok, but I don't stretch it too much: I use it for my main desktop and a notebook I share with my wife, and it reaches the whole apartment (not that big). Never had any problems with it.

Re:OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (2, Informative)

perotbot (632237) | about 10 years ago | (#9997130)

I have the 614+, at the time it was 200, but I've seen it as low as $49, have had it for going on 2yrs now and it's been a good appliance, you need to be running windows to upgrade the firmware. Range has been over 150' using both an Orinoco Gold card and the DWL-650+ D-link card

Re:OT: D-Link 514 experiences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#9997145)

The WRT54G firmware is updated via a web browser. Windows not required.

Airplane approved? (2, Interesting)

StDave (13072) | about 10 years ago | (#9997012)

I could see this being useful in an airplane if you wanted to game with friends or collaborate with coworkers on the same flight. Of course, it would also probably screw up the avionics and redirect the flight to Tibet. But at least you would be able to get some work or enjoyment for the long flight...

Or it would be useful for simple impromptu networking for a quick and dirty network situations where power is at a premium (like a natural disaster). Granted, that wouldn't involve Internet access, but a small easily powered AP is somewhat useful.

You know.. (4, Insightful)

Large Green Mallard (31462) | about 10 years ago | (#9997025)

I've been reading slashdot since 1998. These two stories from michael today have got to be the lamest entries I've ever seen on here. I'm very disappointed. At least this one isn't as bad as the Nokia one.

how much does it cost for a /. ad? (3, Funny)

LodCrappo (705968) | about 10 years ago | (#9997090)

I would like to plug some of my company's products too.

Umm peer to peer? (5, Insightful)

s88 (255181) | about 10 years ago | (#9997101)

Has no one in this thread ever heard of peer to peer?
All the examples of "I could have used this when..." could easily have been solved by simply setting your wireless cards into peer mode and making an ad hoc wireless network. This is quick and easy with every network client app I have seen; does no one use this feature or what?

Why is this device any better than just bridging your ethernet to your wireless peer network?

Is it a bad product like the other DLINK ones? (1)

freitasm (444970) | about 10 years ago | (#9997153)

I bought two DLINK AP a month ago and they'd freeze every 20 minutes. Only way was power down and up every 20 minutes. Not fun. DLINK said it was my network. Interesting enough I got a El Cheapo one for half price while waiting for a Belkin AP + router. Both the El Cheapo and Belkin work fine. Both DLINK were RMAed.

Not an add (1)

DarkMantle (784415) | about 10 years ago | (#9997176)

Sure it sounds like an ad... it talks quite extensivly about a single product.... However it then links you to similar products from competitors... Haven't seen any adds do that before...

Airport Express link (1)

catwh0re (540371) | about 10 years ago | (#9997195)

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ [apple.com] The link in the title article copy is a link to the apple store (to a timed out session)
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