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Palm Finally Announces SD WiFi Card

CmdrTaco posted about 10 years ago | from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.

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Estranged42 writes "After years of waiting, Palm announced today that it will release an SD 802.11b card for its Tungsten T3 and Zire 72 handhelds. This comes after years of anticipation and speculation about this card ever happening. It should be arriving sometime in September for $129. I think I'm still looking forward to getting one. The Register and others are carrying the story."

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FRIST POSTAGE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004100)

OMGWTOOT

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Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004106)

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still using palms (3, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | about 10 years ago | (#10004109)

I can't see the advantage of using a palm over using a small notebook (12" ibook or powerbook for example) - espiecally for browsing using Wifi cards as shown here. A compacted and hard to read screen compared to a full internet browser. Surely the space it takes up is made up for in usability nowdays.

Re:still using palms (0)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#10004147)

Except that your PowerBook supports 802.11a and 802.11g. According to the blurb, this card only supports 802.11b. I wonder why they'd choose a (relatively) dead standard like that?

Re:still using palms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004217)

Just in time so you will need to upgrade to 802.11g in 4 months and 802.11n in 8 months.

Re:still using palms (3, Interesting)

realdpk (116490) | about 10 years ago | (#10004221)

SDIO doesn't provide a lot of power. That's been the biggest stumbling block to date for getting WiFi cards on Palms.

I'm disappointed that, apparently, it won't work on other models such as the Treo 600.

Re:still using palms (5, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about 10 years ago | (#10004227)

Given the size of a Palm device and the situations in which you would need Wifi with such a device (ie on the go, not doing anything multimedia intensive), it makes perfect sense to go with a more affordable solution.

Re:still using palms (1)

meme_police (645420) | about 10 years ago | (#10004263)

No, 802.11b and 802.11g. And 802.11b is FAR from dead. 802.11g FOSS support is pathetic.

Re:still using palms (5, Informative)

CyberDave (79582) | about 10 years ago | (#10004267)

Bzzzzzz...wrong. Methinks you got your As and Bs confused.

The PowerBook (or, more correctly, Apple's AirPort Extreme MiniPCI card) supports 802.11b and 802.11g.

802.11g is backwards compatible with 802.11b (despite what I overheard some idiot salesman say to a customer at Best Buy once). You can use 802.11b cards with 802.11g access points and 802.11g cards with 802.11b access points. I do this al lthe time. Part of the reason this is possible is because 802.11b and 802.11g operate in the 2.4 GHz range. The backwards-compatibility is also built into the 802.11g spec (IIRC).

802.11a, on the other hand, is 54 Mbps (like 802.11g), but operates in the 5 GHz range and is not compatible with 802.11b or 802.11g.

Some manufacturers make combo cards that work with all three protocols. Apple is not one of them.

CyberDave

Re:still using palms (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#10004281)

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. :-)

Re:still using palms (1)

willy134 (682318) | about 10 years ago | (#10004454)

And the new (proposed) n standard is backward compatible with both b and g. They even say it speeds up the b and g network....
We will have to see about that.

Re:still using palms (4, Insightful)

Klar (522420) | about 10 years ago | (#10004172)

I think in most cases a 12" notebook would work better. But, palm's are useful if you need something really small that could fit in your pocket and not have to carry a 4lbs small notebook. Palm's are great for keeping track of names, apointments, general information and taking notes while on the run.

Re:still using palms (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#10004186)

"I can't see the advantage of using a palm over using a small notebook (12" ibook or powerbook for example)"

You must have REALY big pants if you can fit an iBook in your pocket.

Re:still using palms (1)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | about 10 years ago | (#10004208)

it isnt really that hard to carry a 4lb laptop in a bag is it ?

Re:still using palms (3, Insightful)

IronChef (164482) | about 10 years ago | (#10004352)

As long as you are carrying that bag around, you may as well get a 15" or 17" laptop instead of that 12".

Meanwhile I will be carrying my PocketPC in, uh, my pocket, and Googling up product reviews while I am shopping. Sure, the browser sucks, but it gets the job done.

Did I mention it fits in my pocket?

Re:still using palms (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10004385)

Anyone who can't see that a PDA and a laptop computer are two different devices, suited to two different tasks, probably isnt worth arguing with.

Coming up with anecdotes to prove that PDAs can be useful is a pointless excercise. The PDA market has exploded, obviously enough people out there can see the uses.

Re:still using palms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004361)

it isnt really that hard to carry a 4lb laptop in a bag is it ?

It is if you don't want a 4lb laptop, or a bag in your hands, or a backpack on your back, etc. Some people like to travel light and don't need a full laptop...

Re:still using palms (1)

Carnildo (712617) | about 10 years ago | (#10004380)

No, but it means you've got a four-pound bag to carry around.

Re:still using palms (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | about 10 years ago | (#10004503)

No, but it means you've got a four-pound bag to carry around.

Not to mention the bag itself weighs 1 pound(total 5 pounds, assuming he's not also carrying the power adapter), will have to wait while it powers up from sleep, will have trouble balancing it in one hand while typing with the other, has to navigate a general purpose interface, have bigger concerns of it being stolen, etc. etc.

Re:still using palms (1)

RevAaron (125240) | about 10 years ago | (#10004490)

I had an iBook and a wifi-equipped PDA. I never took the iBook with me, even when I was without a PDA. But these days, I use the PDA as the computer. Mind you, I don't use something with a crappy 320x320 or 240x320 screen as on a PalmOne or PocketPC. VGA, or in the case of the Sigmarion 3 800x480. Enough for me.

An iBook is too big. Unless I can fit it in my pocket- even big cargo pant pockets- it's too big.

Re:still using palms (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004222)

You must have REALY big pants if you can fit an iBook in your pocket.
Well in my pants there is only room for my uhhhh snake to fit comfortably, so I carry my portables

Re:still using palms (5, Insightful)

Planesdragon (210349) | about 10 years ago | (#10004210)

* cost of the model
* power consumption
* familiarity
* ease of use

For $1,000 (the cost of a 12" iBook) I can purchase new palms with Wifi cards for myself, my wife, and an extra just for the fun of it.

Even if the iBook had equal power consumption on all components (which is unilkely, given screen size alone), a single palm still uses far less kw/H than the iBook for any given task. Solid-state memory and an always-on OS eliminate both boot-up time and HD seek.

A lot of people can use their palms as easily as a computer. For some folks, it's even easier.

And, of course, if I want to have a palm in the TV room just for random web lookups, I don't need to configure an ibook or leave it out. When i want to pull up the data from a website, I can simply turn on the palm, click on the web-browser program (which can even be bound to a buttom) and go right to the site.

Re:still using palms (1)

brufleth (534234) | about 10 years ago | (#10004242)

Well a 12" ibook or powerbook is much harder to fit in a pocket and in fact will probably require that you carry an additional bag. If you're travelling by air you might already have your two carry ons so rather than having to check a bag someone can just slip this into their pocket and they can still do their web stuff. I have a laptop but I can't bring it with me when ever and where ever I go because it isn't pocket friendly.

12in Apple small? (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | about 10 years ago | (#10004255)

While a 12 ibook was considered small 3 years ago, there are a lot better options when considering a portable laptop. The IBM x40 [ibm.com] , Fujitsu P series [fujitsu.com] , or the Sony Picturebook [sonystyle.com] are just a few examples.

Re:still using palms (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004264)

http://www.ninja-neer.com/loli_tits.jpg

Re:still using palms (1)

hal2814 (725639) | about 10 years ago | (#10004313)

My Palm is a $150 alarm clock. About the only thing I use it for are the audible reminers that I can set up timers for. Oh yeah, I also play Sokoban a lot on it. This would not be feasible with a laptop.

Re:still using palms (1)

Carnildo (712617) | about 10 years ago | (#10004409)

Mine's a $99 password vault. I've given up on trying to remember all the passwords, PINs, and access codes I need.

Re:still using palms (1)

atrizzah (532135) | about 10 years ago | (#10004397)

It lies mostly in that you don't have to boot it up, you can fit it in your pocket, and it's damn convenient for PIM type uses

Re:still using palms (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | about 10 years ago | (#10004517)

I guess I'll chime in, since I have a WiFi-enabled palm device (Sony TH55) and a 12" laptop and I don't think you do.

A laptop is not a PDA. I take my PDA everywhere and reference it many times per day. In fact I rarely leave home without it, since I always end up regretting it when I do. I'm not taking a laptop to the hardware store just in case I have to jot something down.

As to your second point, I have to agree that the WiFi, camera, sound recorder, and mp3 playback are only of secondary interest compared to the to-do list, calendaring, and memo apps.

That said, half-VGA (320x480) is somewhat usable for web browsing. In fact when I browse slashdot on it, I don't use the special palm-formatted version [slashdot.org] because it's too sparse. This may be the ultimate toilet-entertainment device, not that I would ever do such a thing.

But besides that, WiFi is good for quickly, wirelessly transferring documents and software to the Palm, and the battery-life hit is surprisingly not that bad. I can open palmgear [palmgear.com] download a zip file, and install apps without using a PC at all. Bluetooth is comparable, except it doesn't work from anywhere in my home.

I'm torn on having WiFi in the SD slot rather than built-in, as it is on the Sony. On the one hand, I only use the WiFi now and then, so why carry it all the time? On the other hand, it doesn't seem to add much bulk, and I'm already using the SD slot for memory expansion, so having to take that out would render the Palm only partually functional.

$129? (3, Informative)

benzapp (464105) | about 10 years ago | (#10004113)

I bought a Linksys one for my WinCE PDA over two years ago for half that.

What a rip off.

Re:$129? (1)

polecat_redux (779887) | about 10 years ago | (#10004218)

Are you sure the adapter you bought wasn't a CF card? I don't believe Linksys ever made an SD wireless adapter (which are generally more expensive).

But yeah, no big deal really. Wireless adapters have been available for Pocket PC-based PDA's for a couple of years now, and personally, I see the Palms as inferior to Pocket PCs.

Re:$129? (0)

RevAaron (125240) | about 10 years ago | (#10004441)

You've been able to get wireless adaptors or CE and Newton OS PDAs for quite a while, well over a couple years. Not to nitpick... But even before 802.11x.

Palms are inferior to PocketPCs. They do less, the OS is less powerful. That said, it does more than enough for a lot of people. I have had many PDAs- Newtons, Linux running Zaurii, PocketPCs and vanilla WinCE PDAs... And one Palm OS Sony Clie NX70V. The Clie is nice, as long as I don't expect too much from it. Sure, I can buy a CF wifi card for it, but like this, there is only the one $100 Sony model I can buy. Other CF cards won't work with the Clie. But even if I got the Clie tricked out with a wifi card, it's still not that useful, not as useful as my Newton 2100 was with a WaveLAN card, Zaurus C760, Jornada 720 or Sigmarion 3 were- which were all real computers, though just small ones.

Re:$129? (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10004341)

I bet you at least $50 of this cost is for the little circle on the package that says "PalmOne"

Re:$129? (3, Funny)

Roadmaster (96317) | about 10 years ago | (#10004351)

I guess they gave you a discount for having to put up with such a hideous operating system, huh?

11b or not 11b (4, Interesting)

grunt107 (739510) | about 10 years ago | (#10004114)

Or, put another way: Why not the faster 11g?

Using the faster protocol would appeal the power users, and the early adopters that go for the hi-speed buzzwords.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

DarkMavis (767874) | about 10 years ago | (#10004247)

It's probably due to power restrictions. My guess is that the amount of power needed to run 802.11g is what's keeping it off the Palm and PocketPC right now. Can anyone verify this?

Interesting description... (4, Interesting)

sczimme (603413) | about 10 years ago | (#10004256)


Or, put another way: Why not the faster 11g?

Using the faster protocol would appeal the power users, and the early adopters that go for the hi-speed buzzwords.


I'm glad you didn't say anything about the real-world benefits of 11g (vice 11b) for a PDA; as far as I can tell there wouldn't be any. (Not flaming - just an observation.) PDAs typically aren't used to download large files, and may not be able to keep up with a saturated higher-speed connection. (Think (firehose + teacup).)

Re:Interesting description... (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | about 10 years ago | (#10004519)

The range of G is *much* better. Thats why you want it even in a PDA. Thats probably why its not in pdas either -- higher power consumption?

Re:Interesting description... (2, Insightful)

realdpk (116490) | about 10 years ago | (#10004548)

"-- higher power consumption?"

Yep. Exactly why it's taken this long to get a SD WiFi card in the first place.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

Klar (522420) | about 10 years ago | (#10004258)

I guess it might appeal to people more, but honestly how much of a difference is b vs g going to make on a palm, are you gunna be downloading large files onto your 128mb memory card? IMO b should be fast enough for anyone using a palm.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

FreezerJam (138643) | about 10 years ago | (#10004290)

are you gunna be downloading large files onto your 128mb memory card?

Absolutely not, because you had to take the memory card out to put the WiFi card in...

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

Fweeky (41046) | about 10 years ago | (#10004374)

I use CF as main storage for my iPAQ; for me that was the entire point of getting a SD WiFi card.

Re:11b or not 11b (2, Informative)

CommanderData (782739) | about 10 years ago | (#10004279)

Probably because the Palm's SD slot doesn't support I/O transfer rates anywhere near that speed. IIRC, it cannot even use 802.11b to it's full potential.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

SirStanley (95545) | about 10 years ago | (#10004283)

What would you possibly be doing with your Handheld that would require that much bandwidth?

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

entropy1980 (622108) | about 10 years ago | (#10004285)

The reason it took so long to come out was problems with power consumption(to much draw on the anemic Palm SD slots), we are probably a year or so away from a 11g handheld.

Re:11b or not 11b (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004291)

Most "SDIO" interfaces are actually SPI and I believe this is the case for the palm devices. There is no speed up from B to G on SPI. In my company we have done experiments and it is VERY difficult, if not impossible, to even get to the 11mbit/sec that B provides.

Even with true SDIO, you would need to be using the 4bit mode at the maximum clock speed to achieve G data rates and I don't believe any of the handhelds are capable of this. Currently G modems on handhelds are just a marketing ploy.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | about 10 years ago | (#10004317)

> Or, put another way: Why not the faster 11g?

Well, I seriously doubt that the processor of the device (or the SD-bus for that matter) could push enough bits to make a
difference. However, even at 11mb rate, there's another good reason to do the 11g protocol: access points running in pure
G mode. If you have a G router and you enable the backwards-compatibility for 11b, you cut your throughput almost in half.

Re:11b or not 11b (1)

Bastian (66383) | about 10 years ago | (#10004475)

I imagine part of it is that 11g hits some diminishing returns on a handheld - you increase the cost for a device that really doesn't need a whole lot of speed. You aren't going to fit a very large file on your handheld, and the types of websites that benefit from a very fast connection aren't going to display well on a Palm sized screen. Add to that that I'm not even sure that a PalmOS web browser could render fast enough to handle the speed of 11g. I'm sure there are some users out there using VNC on their PalmOS device (Assuming the project to make a VNC client ever got off the ground - I haven't paid any attention to it), but that's a very small segment of the market.

On top of that, I imagine that an 11g card would consume signifigantly more power. I'm not sure if an SD card port can supply that much power, and even if it could you'd take a pretty hard hit on your battery life.

Will it work with the Treo too? (4, Interesting)

Darth_Vito (693141) | about 10 years ago | (#10004116)

I can't wait to find out if this will work with my Treo 600 mobile phone. It runs Palm OS 5.2.1 and it has an SD Card slot so I am optimistic. Although the Treo 600 already gets Internet access using the cellular phone system 802.11b would allow MUCH faster connection speed when a wireless network is available.

Re:Will it work with the Treo too? (3, Informative)

datastalker (775227) | about 10 years ago | (#10004198)

According to this story [treocentral.com] at TreoCentral [treocentral.com] , it will not work with the Treo 600. But since you (and I ;) ) get Internet anywhere there's a cell signal, it shouldn't be too much of a loss. All I can say is I'm glad I have the unlimited data plan. ;)

Re:Will it work with the Treo too? (1)

realdpk (116490) | about 10 years ago | (#10004252)

Definitely. Although, at home, I would like to be able to access my network, do things like hotsync over wireless (something I don't want to do over Sprint since I'd have to open up the firewall), download mp3s w/o using the USB cable, PalmVNC, etc.

Re:Will it work with the Treo too? (1)

Darth_Vito (693141) | about 10 years ago | (#10004262)

Thanks for the info DataStalker, You are right about the unlimited data. I didn't actually expect to use the Treo for Internet surfing but it is surprisingly more capable than I thought it would be. Too bad this WiFi card is not compatible but I would have been waiting for a while for the price to come down anyway.

Cool! (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 10 years ago | (#10004118)

This is really, really cool! Now I can... erm... well... Hotsync without a cradle! Yeah, that's it!

Joking aside, anyone have any practical uses for such a gadget? In my experience, networking Palm Pilots hasn't helped them do much more. Sure, you can do WAP type stuff, but so can your cell phone.

Re:Cool! (0, Redundant)

rf0 (159958) | about 10 years ago | (#10004140)

Download pr0n whilst on the move

Rus

Re:Cool! (1)

einstein (10761) | about 10 years ago | (#10004205)

the palms this wifi card support have fully functional web browsers, and IM client, and even ssh. I use all those almost daily on my T3, bluetooth connected to my cellphone.

Re:Cool! (2, Informative)

kenf (75431) | about 10 years ago | (#10004207)

Well, hotsyncincing without having to boot a computer when you are trying to get out the door in the morning is a plus.

Also you can use free wireless hotspots to update things like Avantgo when you are traveling.

I bought a Sony Clie for just this reason.

Re:Cool! (1)

the pickle (261584) | about 10 years ago | (#10004209)

Well, yeah. I concur. Which is why I think a device like the HP iPaq 6300 series [hp.com] is a lot more useful: you have seamless Internet connectivity. WiFi is primary, GPRS is your backup, and Bluetooth is your PC connection. Why spend $129 to have a Palm that can only do two of the three?

(Yeah, it runs WinCE. Yeah, I hate that too [slashdot.org] . But I really want one nonetheless, because this can replace two devices with one, reduce my pocket clutter, and give me more functionality than the two devices it replaces had.)

p

Re:Cool! (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | about 10 years ago | (#10004238)

I use an iPAQ with a sandisk wifi all the time for listening to Internet radio, incl. my own icecast server, using GSPlayer. It's like carrying a portable transistor am radio in the shirt pocket.

Re:Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004378)

Nobody uses WAP anymore. The Palm has a traditional TCP/IP stack with a BSD sockets so you can access the web and such.

Re:Cool! (1)

ThrasherTT (87841) | about 10 years ago | (#10004389)

I'm interested in using something like this to be a universal remote that controls IR devices and devices accessible via VNC. I want a real universal remote... one that can control my AVR, DVD, TV as well as display a VNC session to my MP3 player PC.

BTW, anyone have any tips on doing this in a reasonably cost-effective manner?

Re:Cool! (1)

Yaztromo (655250) | about 10 years ago | (#10004433)

This is really, really cool! Now I can... erm... well... Hotsync without a cradle! Yeah, that's it!

Even better, you can HotSync to your home PC from a WiFi-enabled coffee shop or bookstore.

Personally, even though I have a 12" PowerBook, having WiFi capabilities in my Palm is really attractive. Unfortunately for me, it is uncertain as to wether or not this newly annouced device would work with my slightly older m505 :P.

Yaz.

Re:Cool! (1)

paRcat (50146) | about 10 years ago | (#10004435)

http://www.bitsnbolts.com/netchaser.html

and
http://www.sealiesoftware.com/pssh/

I use them both all the time and they rock. To be honest, those two apps make my Tungsten C worth it.

New Treo 600 (2, Interesting)

omnipotus (214689) | about 10 years ago | (#10004123)

I wonder if this new SD card will work in the Treo 600. It runs Palm 5 and has an SDIO slot; sure would be sweet to have a Palm/WiFi/Bluetooth/CDMA phone.

Re:New Treo 600 (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10004365)

Too bad the Treo 600 doesn't have a high-res screen. I used to have a Treo 300 and never liked to use the browser since rendering sucked in low-res. I am still surprised they didnt fix that with the 600.

Re:New Treo 600 (1)

JBoogie (789474) | about 10 years ago | (#10004398)

PalmOne's new SD WiFi card will not work with the Treo 600. treocentral.com has an explanation [treocentral.com] as to why it will not work with the Treo 600. Yeah, it would be sweet to have Palm/WiFi/Bluetooth/CDMA, but it appears we're going to have to see what happens with the Treo "Ace" rumored to be available sometime in the Fall.

for Palm's sake (3, Insightful)

jford235 (677581) | about 10 years ago | (#10004132)

it'd better work well 1st time around, cause otherwise they're gonna have a mob on their hands, considering how long this has taken, espically since its only for two palms.

Anonymous Coward (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004134)

How in the fuck is this news? This has been out for PocketPC for a while now. Oh wait... I'm on ./, my bad.

So just like the third party ones? (2, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#10004135)

So its just like the ones from say Sandisk, but twice as expensive? With inovation like this its no wonder Palm is at the top of the PDA market.

Re:So just like the third party ones? (2, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | about 10 years ago | (#10004268)

Read yesterday's Dilbert.... It's all about design, not function.

Viruses (0, Flamebait)

5m477m4n (787430) | about 10 years ago | (#10004165)

Sa-weet, now my stable palm pilot can catch viruses from Windows PCs!

Mod parent troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004245)

Palm and Windows don't even use the same chip architecture, let along the same operating system. Parent is retarded, move along.

Been there, done that--Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004173)

This feature has been available on some of the Sony Clie handhelds for a while.

Too Bad Sony is pulling them from the US market.

Tungsten E (1, Flamebait)

CaptScarlet22 (585291) | about 10 years ago | (#10004177)

Once again the Tungsten E is left out in the cold!!

You can see what Palm wants to push...The Zire 72...



Re:Tungsten E (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004342)

What are you complaining about! It seems like forever since I've seen anything for my Vx...!

Oh wait. It HAS been forever.

Finally... (2, Informative)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10004191)

This is fortunate since there has been a SanDisk SD WiFi card for a while, but only Zire71 compatible.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/5574704268292237/ [engadget.com]

Re:Finally... (1)

pythas (75383) | about 10 years ago | (#10004320)

Except there's no drivers for it.....

I imagine it's only a matter of time before SanDisk drops support, as the Zire 71 is a discontinued model.

Enabling Network Software (4, Interesting)

william_lorenz (703263) | about 10 years ago | (#10004197)

Now I can use PalmVNC [wind-junkie.de] for cross-platform VNC sessions to my UNIX and Win32 boxen and PSSH [sealiesoftware.com] to enable SSH2 connections! I wonder if this will work easily in public Wi-Fi hotspots [hotspot-locations.com] , thinking with regards to quick 802.11b configuration and real-world interoperability?

Re:Enabling Network Software (4, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 10 years ago | (#10004269)

I hate to say it, but this statement has just taken 5 minutes off your sex life.

Not to troll, but it is THAT useful? (1)

swb (14022) | about 10 years ago | (#10004425)

I mean, do you really find yourself able to do very much from a Palm screen on a PC? The ssh connection might be valuable if you had one of those folding keyboards or a thumboard on the machine itself, but with just the stylus, what can you really do?

pretty limited (1)

0x4B (214493) | about 10 years ago | (#10004201)

The new card is only designed to work with Zire 72 and Tungsten T3. Sorry kids, but nothing new for the Treo.

Almost, but not quite... (1)

nicktripp (717517) | about 10 years ago | (#10004206)

According to the article, it only works with the Tungsten T3 and Zire 72 models. I guess Palm just doesn't get it. This is why my Zire 71 (with Palm OS 5 and an SDIO slot) ended up on eBay. I knew it would never happen the way it should have.

And my Tungsten E remains wi-less... (1)

lxt (724570) | about 10 years ago | (#10004223)

...it's a pity that Palm couldn't find a work around to enable the SD card to be used in their other Tungsten handhelds, like my Tungsten E.

treo600 (1)

_aa_ (63092) | about 10 years ago | (#10004237)

Well.. my SprintPCS PalmOne Treo600 already has an internet connection through sprint, but a "broader-bander" connection would be nice. Last i heard there was not enough power in the SD slot of the treo to operate a wifi card. They don't explicitly mention support for the treo600, but I'm curious if it would work, or if there is a wifi card in the books for the treo. Or bluetooth for that matter.

WAHA! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004254)

Is it a real SD card? Does it run around going "WAHA!" and annoying people? :)

I'd try Enfora's product first (3, Interesting)

b-lou (175661) | about 10 years ago | (#10004280)

Although I've not used it yet, I'm more inclined to try Enfora's [enfora.com] product first. It's a nice case + a battery of its own so you won't kill the Palm's battery by running WiFi. Also, it works with any of the recent palms that have the universal connector, it's not limited to the T3 and the Zire seventy-whatever. Home page: http://www.enfora.com [enfora.com] .

Re:I'd try Enfora's product first (3, Interesting)

Enry (630) | about 10 years ago | (#10004392)

I have it.

It's nice, but bulky. Certainly not something you can put in your shirt or pants pocket and carry around with you. While you can charge the palm from the Enfora if the Enfora is plugged in, you can't use the Enfora battery to charge the Palm (one of my fears from the days when Palms didn't have rechargeable batteries and used AAAs).

Now they wont be lonley... (5, Funny)

Aceto3for5 (806224) | about 10 years ago | (#10004304)

This is excellent. Now maybe after i lose THIS tiny expensive peice of hardware it can be friends with my 512mb thumbdrive and my USB bluetooth adapter, wherever they may be. Its nice to know they wont be lonley. Maybe they can use the 802.11 to signal thier location, like Gilligans Island.

Meanwhile, back in the present day... (2, Interesting)

eufreka (793009) | about 10 years ago | (#10004326)

...PocketPC devices are looking to add combo wifi/memory sdio cards for about the same price:

From SanDisk http://www.sandisk.com/retail/256mb-wifi-sd.asp [sandisk.com] :

SanDisk's 256MB + Wi-Fi SD card combines flash memory and wireless communications into a single card giving SDIO-enabled PDA the freedom to quickly transmit and receive data, images and music from thousands of 802.11b hotspots worldwide.

From Brighthand (older link):

Unfortunately, SanDisk doesn't expect the necessary driver to allow Palm OS models to use this card to be available for many months. SanDisk's Wi-Fi SDIO card with 256 MB of memory will have a suggested retail price of about $150

I still miss my Palm.

Huh. (1)

c0dedude (587568) | about 10 years ago | (#10004329)

SD is little. Really REALLY little. How is it possible to get a decent 802.11 card with antenna and such into such a small and flat card? I'm just curious as to how this works.

Nineties called... (0, Offtopic)

dostick (69711) | about 10 years ago | (#10004355)

...they want their PDA back!

Too little, too late (4, Interesting)

moontumbohotmail.com (697100) | about 10 years ago | (#10004366)

Palm had a good thing going, but they have fallen behind in the past few years. I love my Palm, but I think it's too little, too late. My next PDA won't be a Palm. They're losing their competitive pricing. Other companies have had wireless for a long time that is much less expensive.

The one thing the Clie Misses (3, Interesting)

digitalgimpus (468277) | about 10 years ago | (#10004376)

For ages it was rumored that there would be a MS WiFi adapter. Then one was done, but only for certain OS 5 PDA's.

I emailed SanDisk, and here's what they said:
http://robert.accettura.com/archives/000266 .shtml

Sucks don't it?

PalmInfocenter WiFi Card Review (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10004412)

PalmInfocenter has a good Review [palminfocenter.com] posted

About damn time (2, Insightful)

Roadmaster (96317) | about 10 years ago | (#10004415)

Once you use the T3 for any amount of time you realize it's too powerful a machine to stay unconnected; and bluetooth/IR through the cellphone is way too expensive. WiFi enables connection in any of the plenty of hotspots in town, and the T3 already comes with software to check e-mail and do browsing (full-fledged browser, although sometimes the screen size is a bit limiting). I also have a ssh app which will be far more useful if I can actually connect; not to mention VNC which will be great for remote diagnostics. I can actually see myself using one of these...

Review and More Info (4, Insightful)

joncarwash (600744) | about 10 years ago | (#10004422)

Here is a nice full review [palminfocenter.com] from PalmInfocenter [palminfocenter.com] . It goes into full details and testing of the new SDIO Wireless card from PalmOne.

Some have asked how is this different than the SanDisk SDIO Wireless card for Palm that was released a short time ago. This description from SanDisk [sandisk.com] explains that its card is only for the Palm Zire 71 and products using recent versions of MS PocketPC. The new PalmOne card supports the Zire 72 and Tungsten T3, which the SanDisk card does not (apparently due to driver compatibility issues).

I own a PalmOne Tungsten E [palmone.com] , which is the business value model, and there is not wireless support via SDIO cards, and doesn't look to be one available due to the power constraints of the Tungsten E model. Apparently, there have been some tests run with the SanDisk card on the Tungsten E, and it will work, but long-term effects on the SDIO slot have not been studied, and there could be damaging effects on the unit. Tungsten E users that want some sort of wireless connection should check out the Enfora Wireless Portfolio Case [palminfocenter.com] which seems to be the only wireless connection available for the Tungsten E.

Personally, I don't need wireless via my PDA since I already have a laptop and wireless card, but I know it is a nice feature, and on a future PDA I would want wireless to be available.

And "SD" is.....? (2)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | about 10 years ago | (#10004437)

Maybe I'm old and out of touch, but I don't know what half the blurbs on Slashdot are even talking about anymore. Could we have more explanation on acronyms and jargon, please?

I like palm, but... (2, Interesting)

tkrotchko (124118) | about 10 years ago | (#10004455)

A Dell X30 with WiFi and Bluetooth can be purchased for $170 on sale, or about $250, full list.

So if this thing costs $130, and the T3 costs $300, that leave us with a price tag of $430.

Ahem.

One down, One to go. (3, Funny)

955301 (209856) | about 10 years ago | (#10004473)

Duke Nukem forever, here we come!
Won't be long now...

Heavy Zire 71 camera users will need this... (2, Informative)

brownpau (639342) | about 10 years ago | (#10004492)

You'll definitely need this to HotSync your Zire 71 when the stupid internal sync/charge cable problem [1src.com] starts kicking in as it has on mine.

Feh (1)

CarrionBird (589738) | about 10 years ago | (#10004543)

Since it only supports the newest two models, why wouldn't I just get a new one from Sony or elsewhere with it built in?

Besides, wi-fi spots are few and far between (there's like two or three in the central SC area), while my bluetooth capable phone works all over the place.

Of I could just be a little pissy about the fact that other companies would have one out already if Palm would license the needed OS code.
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