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Mozilla Releases Mozilla Sunbird 0.2

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the flutter-by dept.

Mozilla 393

Gentu writes "Along with the new Mozilla-Japan initiative and the release of Mozilla 1.8a3 today, the Mozilla team released the first 'official' beta release of Mozilla Sunbird, version 0.2, a stand-alone calendaring application (similar to Apple's iCal). There are two flavors of this project, one that works as a ~700 KB plugin to Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla (titled Mozilla Calendar) and the ~8 MB stand-alone calendaring application, Mozilla Sunbird (rate the apps over at GnomeFiles.org). These builds are the first to feature a new default theme, a new logo and the customizable toolbar functionality. Note that Sunbird is still an experimental technology preview that contain bugs, but it is pretty stable."

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Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007396)

From the Readme [mozilla.org] :
  • At-rule for matching on site/document URL. Among other things, this makes site-specific user style rules possible (Great for changing it.slashdot.org's color scheme!)
  • Undetected document.all support has been added to Mozilla (Good for some dumb IE-only sites)
  • Support for translucent windows on Windows and GTK2 (Oohh!)
  • Preliminary support for CSS columns has been checked in (Too bad IE won't support this for years, if ever)
  • The new npruntime plugin scriptability API (Good, good)
  • Users can now disable CSS via Use Style > None or a global preference (Well, they can't all be exciting)

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007415)

Die IE, die!

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007711)

Kill mozilla kill

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (3, Informative)

jZnat (793348) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007534)

At-rule for matching on site/document URL. Among other things, this makes site-specific user style rules possible (Great for changing it.slashdot.org's color scheme!)

Maybe it'd be helpful for this to be an extension until they add it to Firefox and for Mozilla 1.7 users. The only thing you can do with M1.7 and FF0.9.3 is add a patch to it, but most people don't want to download and install Cygwin, then wait 1-3 hours for it to fully recompile. =S

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007561)

Already is an extension called URI ID [mozdev.org] , although it's not quite as nice as a built-in version as it requires a screen redraw.

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007692)

>At-rule for matching on site/document URL.

Whee, Mozilla beat Opera to it. I've asked for this (and a lot of other things), but unfortunately they don't listen to me.

(I'd settle for attaching a stylesheet to a bookmark and having it applied to the associated domain.)

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (2, Interesting)

juhaz (110830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007702)

Undetected document.all support has been added to Mozilla (Good for some dumb IE-only sites)

Okay. Since when have Mozilla folks started to work around IE brokenness, and why?

I know many folks whine that there should be more this kind of features, but it sounds like a slippery slope, not to mention encourages writing MORE bad DHTML instead of fixing the existing.

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (5, Informative)

medeii (472309) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007776)

Read the damn bug [mozilla.org] yourself. (Note: copy and paste the link, Bugzilla rejects visits from Slashdot.) It is not designed to encourage bad writing: support for document.all will ONLY activate if the web developer really was stupid and did not use any sort of test to detect it.

Additional discussion can be seen from the Mozillazine article [mozillazine.org] published weeks ago.

Re:Some of the new Mozilla 1.8a3 features (4, Funny)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007770)

it.slashdot.org? That's nothing compared to games.slashdot.org, that's where you really need the custom stylesheet.

Ouch! My LASER burned me a second asshole! (0, Offtopic)

Stop the war now! (662586) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007398)

Ouch! What an I do now?

Ok, I can shit twice as fast now, but it looks ridiculous!

Re:Ouch! My LASER burned me a second asshole! (-1, Redundant)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007410)

That's sunbird dude, not laserbird.

The whole idea is crazy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007400)

I don't get it.

Re:The whole idea is crazy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007545)

things are easy when you're big in japan!

Holy shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007402)

700kb vs 8MB? Now, what shall I choose :)

Re:Holy shit (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007444)

It's just the XUL toolkit. You already have it installed if you have firefox or thunderbird. So, really, I don't see your point. You're going to have that 8 meg around somewhere.

Anyways, it's 8 meg. What's the problem with that? It's freakin tiny!

Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (3, Insightful)

You Been Rob-ed! (686615) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007403)

Do they intend to totally confuse everyone?

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007452)

Yes, it's so hard to keep track of THREE applications.
I'm totally confused now.

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (2, Interesting)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007578)

I'm totally confused now.

Apparently so, considering they are only two programs.

(OT note: anyone know if it's possible to disable the ctrl+w shortcut in Mozilla? I use the Dvorak keyboard, on which w is right next to v, so I fairly regularily close the window instead of pasting... it's quite annoying)

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007666)

click here: link [-f]

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (2, Funny)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007714)

I use the Dvorak keyboard on which w is right next to v

I have the same problem with a Querty keyboard, but then I'm a careless fat fingered freak. Don't blame the keyboard or application we're all friends here, feel the love, learn to adore your true self, and others will love you also.
Tarquin.

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (2, Informative)

traveyes (262759) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007736)

well... not a solution to closing the tab, but you could get UndoCloseTab [mozilla.org] extension to uh, Undo the close.

.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (3, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007469)

I'm *STILL* hacked off about the fact that while all the other builds and platforms got cool cars, the mac users got stuck with a sawed-off station wagon.

Alas, at least we have since gotten a native build of firefox. ;)

Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (2, Insightful)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007588)

well, since you have iCal, also free ( and far better, IMHO ). That uses the same format, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Re:I've said it before, and I'll say it again... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007764)

I'm *STILL* hacked off about the fact that while all the other builds and platforms got cool cars, the mac users got stuck with a sawed-off station wagon.

Thats because Macs are for homosexuals and everyone knows it. Admit it, when you first got your Mac didn't you feel kind of a dirty perverted kinky feeling? Kind of like when you watch porn and instead of looking at the lovely girls you instead look at the guys cock? My god, the Apple logo is a rainbow colored apple, a fucking rainbow!! That should be enough to convince you who Macs target userbase is.

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (4, Funny)

balbeir (557475) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007482)

I'm waiting for MockingBird

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (1, Informative)

LiquidMind (150126) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007501)

Although i agree with you on this, I do like the fact that they are developing a seperate app for all these. There is nothing worse than a bloated app. Remember ICQ?
I used to use Opera religiously but i switched once i found out about firefox. I went back to Opera just to see what they added to the new version, and holy shit, is it ever bloated with gadgets, buttons, toolbars, and the kitchen sink. I really don't like looking at a gazillion items on a browser. yes it can all be turned off, but that's just one less point for opera in regards to simplicity (in my book anyway).
That's why i like the 'modular' designs a lot more (e.g. extensions in Firefox), you can decide how complicated you want your application to be.

Now if opera would come with an automatic blow-job attachment.....hmm....that gives me an idea...anyone know opera's development hot line?

Re:Sunbird? Firefox? Firebird? (1)

IGTeRR0r (805236) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007600)

Just to clear things up, firebird no longer exists, firebird turned into firefox...I think you are looking for thunderbird.

good news (1, Offtopic)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007413)

Mozilla + Apple - slowly bringing down Microsofts reign, one step at a time. Great news.

Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007418)

I've been waiting for this forever. I really just needed somehting in Thunderbird that would allow me to have a calendar. I wonder how well it integrates, like if it lets you send around appointments. /off to test it.

oh, and I also have a desktop calendar app, and I would like them to be able to communicate through vCal or iCal standards, or whatever. I think Sunbird can do this, it just wasn't too pretty in the past.

Angry people (4, Funny)

Dashing Leech (688077) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007422)

Thunder ... Fire ... Sun .. all hot, loud, destructive things. I guess there's no cuddly hippie people at Mozilla.

Re:Angry people (4, Funny)

csguy314 (559705) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007510)

Thunder ... Fire ... Sun .. all hot, loud, destructive things.

Well what can you expect when the entire project is apparently named after a giant, fire breathing lizard?
Maybe the next project will be named GunFox?

Re:Angry people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007700)

I always refer of the Mozilla suite as "gay bullshit", especially when one of my employees suggests to use it sitewide. I mean, Internet Explorer is the standard for all web protocols, so why change it? I credit the efforts of the former Netscape employees who really try to use their time of unemployment to create something useful, but they just keep on missing the needs of their target audience.

Sad, but true.

Re:Angry people (4, Funny)

el-spectre (668104) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007576)

Depends on your perspective... these are also elements of nature... could very easily be a hippy influence :)

If the next app is SUVBird, we'll know for sure.

Or, if you wanna go rude, just TheBird

Re:Angry people (1)

Plake (568139) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007741)

Well, it may also be from cars (Thunderbird - Ford, Firebird - Pontiac, Sunbird - Pontiac). Which have all seemed to past their glory days.

Re:Angry people (1)

isd_glory (787646) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007773)

Actually, cuddly hippy people are the ones most likely to name their children something like Rain, Stone, Storm, or Sunbird.

NAME CHANGE (4, Funny)

drsmack1 (698392) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007429)

When is the first name change scheduled?

Re:NAME CHANGE (1)

spooky_nerd (646914) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007483)

I don't know. Does anyone at Pontiac know about this project? And when they find out, will they care?

Re:NAME CHANGE (2, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007640)

Serious answer: Pontiac probably won't be able to do anything about it. The changes to Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox were because other software had that name. Any trademark in cars Pontiac has over Sunbird won't extend to software.

Glib answer: When someone releases Sunsomething [mozilla.org] as a plugin

Re:NAME CHANGE (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007560)

Perhaps they can call it "Flipped Bird"?

Re:NAME CHANGE (4, Funny)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007658)

I think they need to use different animals for each program though.
Fire
fox
thunderBird

Why not something like aquaMoose?

Gnomefiles a great GTK+ software repository (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007433)

GnomeFiles.org [gnomefiles.org] is a great repository for GTK+ and GNOME applications! I visit daily to get my dosage of GNOME apps. :)

Nice to see Mozilla apps being available there for users to rate it (yes, I prefer their GTK+/XFT builds too :). Thunderbird has my 10/10, and Firefox too! (downloading Sunbird right now, haven't tried it before).

Re:Gnomefiles a great GTK+ software repository (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007615)

Gotta love the astroturfing from OSNews (Eugenia?).

I called them on this last year too. Gentu = Posted by OSNews. So frequently, I wonder if it's paid. Do a search for artices containing Gentu. Actually, I did it for you. [slashdot.org] Every few days, there is an article linking to OSNews (or a sub site such as gnomefiles.org, or nmcx.com) submitted by Gentu. Either they are gaming the system, or they are paying /. to post their version of articles (thus providing free advertising)

In this case, they added a link to gnomefiles.org to the article (which has no value to the story) and it still got posted without editing. I mean.. "rate the apps at gnomefiles.org"? Why not freshmeat.net? Why not just post your thoughts here? It is out of place, unless /. was paid for it. Then it's an Ad. So... which is it? Surely /. is not mixing advertisements with editorial content?

To add insult to injury, they post this anonymous astroturf to the comments. "I visit daily to get my dosage of GNOME apps" ? Seriously - if you are going to spam comments, at least try to hide the fact that you are advertising. Marketing drones learned not to be so obvious years ago. Catch up.

I mean.. damn. It's so ridiculous. /. sold out big time. Ads are one thing. Editorial changes and comment spam? Thats another thing entirely.

no Palm support (5, Informative)

js7a (579872) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007434)

The calendar does not yet synch with your Palm Pilot.

-- Sunbird FAQ [mozilla.org]
No synching with outlook clients (e.g. Pocket PCs), either, just Outlook .ics format export-import.

Re:no Palm support (4, Interesting)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007515)

Yeah, sync is a big thing these days.

I actually use yahoo's sync to backup by outlook contacts, calender, and to-do list. It's cheesy as hell, but it certainly does the job.

How can I publish my events on a remote server?
You can publish events from the calendar to an FTP server or a webDAV enabled webserver. You can also use the calendar to subscribe to these events as well.


If I can figure out what the heck a webDAV enabled webserver is, maybe I can drop yahoo...

/Off to google

Davak

Re:no Palm support (1)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007557)

I would really like to know how to just use a regular FTP server. Do let me know if you find out how.

So far this seems like an excellent app.

Re:no Palm support (4, Informative)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007603)

If I can figure out what the heck a webDAV enabled webserver is, maybe I can drop yahoo...

http://www.webdav.org/ [webdav.org]

Re:no Palm support (5, Informative)

deputydink (173771) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007655)

apache with mod_webdav is what you want. It works out of the box on Mac actually, since Apple's iCal is built on webDav, which means they'd be compatible (sort of)

I think it works out of the box on Fedora as well.


Pretty much any modern web server can do webdav, or has a module that can do it.

Re:no Palm support (1)

cflorio (604840) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007777)

According to the road map [mozilla.org] , Sync is listed under tems to resolve before a 2.0 release. If it were me, I'd be putting that higher on the priority list. Most people sync with a Palm or other type of device.

Can't sync my PDA with Mozilla software (2, Informative)

y2imm (700704) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007436)

As far as I know anyways. I'd love to use them, if they're as good as Firefox is, but I need Outlook for my PocketPC.

Re:Can't sync my PDA with Mozilla software (1)

Jestrzcap (46989) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007484)

Theres an old palm conduit for thunderbird for contacts, but nothing that i've been able to get to work.
I would be thrilled if the firefox/thunderbird/sunbird set could be sync'd with my palm in both windows and linux.

Not released (1)

Nailer (69468) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007446)

Its not done till I can install it in a way that won't screw up my system later on down the track.

Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do. If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.


Sunbird X.X is released!
* Windows users can download an installer from here.
* Fedora users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'up2date sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.
* Debian users can add the following lines to their sources file, and 'apt-get sunbird' to always get the latest Sunbird releases.

Re:Not released (2, Informative)

caillon (629714) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007689)

> Its not done till I can install it in a way that won't screw up my system later on down the track.
> Mozilla makes great software, but never finishes it - that's for the distro packagers to do.

And you didn't really finish your comment. What specific qualms do you have? Please clarify. And even better, please make sure a bug is filed at bugzilla.mozilla.org

> If Dag and the Debian guy (and whoever else for whatever other distro) could hook up with the Moz people, you'd have a much better experience.

Red Hat, IBM, Sun, and a few other distributors have people in touch with the Moz guys. In fact, all of those companies employ people to specifically work on Mozilla.

Strange math.... (5, Interesting)

wolfemi1 (765089) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007448)

I'm confused. If the plugin is ~700K, and the Firefox installer for Windows is ~4.6M, then how in the hell can the standalone Sunbird be ~8M, more over 3 megabytes more than the browser and plugin combined?

Re:Strange math.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007577)

Firefox folks have been trimming their app for quite a while already, Sunbird is much younger.

You can bet it'll be in a 5MB range when we'll see Sunbird 0.9

Re:Strange math.... (3, Informative)

TheUncleBob (791234) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007602)

The Mac version is 8M, windows installer is 5.9M, and windows Zip 5.5M, so I guess the maths is

Firefox Installer (4.8M) + Plugin (700k) = Sunbird installer (5.9M) - Nightly/debug extras (400k)

Mozilla Japan (0, Offtopic)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007457)

Does anybody know if converting "free" products over to non-English languages is worth it? Several of my clients have asked if they should pay to translate their subject-based ad-carrying websites over to different languages?

Does Japan spend more money on internet stuff than China, for example?

Davak

Re:Mozilla Japan (5, Funny)

tigersaw (665217) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007629)

Isn't Mozilla just a bit to close to Godzilla for the Japanese market?

Prepare for a name change. I'm thinking "Pikascape" or "Mozachu"

Lot of work coming from that direction (5, Funny)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007462)

That whole mozilla suite project just seems to be generating a lot of really good software... There's firegoat, thunderbird, mozilla, alotofotherthingsidontknowaboutfox, and mozilla.

I mean wow, those are some productive developers... Kudos.

(though I keep on worrying that they'll slip out a kernel one of these days just to complete the operating environment... kernelzilla? mozillOS? Thunderbarf?)

Just kidding :0 Thanks for all the great work!

Re:Lot of work coming from that direction (1)

Hakubi_Washu (594267) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007626)

I vote for Thunderbarf, sounds cool :-) I'd like to add these:
Mozilla Fire/GNU
Mozilla LightningSquirrel (fast number crunching)
Firephish

(And just for the heck of it I'm going to try a poll on this one...)

Name the Mozilla OS (1)

FunkyRat (36011) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007727)

Mozilla Gojira OS or perhaps Mozilla MegarOS.

Calendar application that can reuse my Palm data? (1, Insightful)

Erik_ (183203) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007466)

I'm long looking for a Open-Source Calendar application that can re-use 6 years Palm Desktop history of addresses, events and notes. I hope they soon get the import facility for Palm Desktop files, as well as connectivity to PocketPC, Zaurus etc...

Mac rocks (1)

bandy (99800) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007565)

Sync your Palm.

Plug it into a modern Mac

Sync again

Voila!

XUL Matters - Opera fan attack! (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007487)

Okay... in another thread (the one about mozilla) some operah zealot was saying something or other about XUL being unimportant in response to a very aggressive message from myself which chalked it it up as a good reason why mozilla is quite better than opera as a piece of software.

So here is an example of a XUL app that can be built with pure XML and javascript, and delivered by the web.

Yes. This technology will replace most of the application-oriented web because html is just not well suited to do this.

So again, when most of the web is accessible by either xul or xaml, what will opera fans do?

Use mozilla, naturaly. Or use windows... obviously.

Re:XUL Matters - Opera fan attack! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007678)

Give over, it's fun as users to joke about mozilla V Opera but actually I'm glad for the competition and that Opera is out there. As for running XUL and javascript directly from the web, how about getting a security clue when you enroll for teh seplling lesonss.

Ridiculous names (2, Insightful)

Morgahastu (522162) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007491)

Most of these mozilla applications will never be taken seriously with these ridiculous names.

The names need to be somewhat related, descriptive, or have an explanation.

This isn't a car. It's a calendar application.

Re:Ridiculous names (4, Insightful)

be-fan (61476) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007579)

Sunbird is less descriptive than Excel? Curious.

Re:Ridiculous names (0, Troll)

Morgahastu (522162) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007633)

Atleast it's an actual word that people aren't embarassed saying outloud.

Re:Ridiculous names (1)

IGTeRR0r (805236) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007643)

I think it sounds great, actually. Much better than "Web browser 0.93 by Mozilla"

Re:Ridiculous names (1)

geekster (87252) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007713)

Oh yeah, like sunbird is a descriptive name for a car?...

As usual... (5, Informative)

almostmanda (774265) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007493)

The logos [axentra.net] are adorable.

Renewable to-dos (2, Funny)

gordgekko (574109) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007511)

I'd be pleased if they bothered to make to-dos which respawn actually do so after you've checked one off as completed.

And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (5, Informative)

Macka (9388) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007512)


From their web site:

iCal and the Mozilla Calendar use the same file format, so events from one should show up without problem in the other. You can also subscribe to the list of events on Apple's website if you like.

This is great news, and should help to promote both applications.

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007581)

Evolution 2.0 has this feature too. Hopefully it'll make ical (The format, not just the program) more popular. Then you can switch clients at will and have the same data available.

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (1)

Manpage (544064) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007583)

Apple's site is just the beginning. You can find hundreds of calendars published by individuals at http://www.icalshare.com/ [icalshare.com]

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (2, Interesting)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007667)

Even better than promoting both applications is the fact that I can save the sunbird calendar to my iPod. Not as super slick as if I was using iCal, but better than Outlook.

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (1)

zors (665805) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007780)

can you do this only on Mac, or can you use a windows iPod too?

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007703)

Duh.... this is STUPID. Why the hek would anyone want to use a half baked open sores clone of iCal rather than the real, far far superior, thing?

Re:And file compatible with Apples iCal too .. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007747)

Because Apples hardware, at least on their laptops, is both expensive and fault prone. And their UI is just poor.

Thanks for the troll, k' thanks, well played.

WOO - HOO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007590)

Now I have a browser (Firefox), email client (Thunderbird), and calendar!

I can now get rid of kontact entirely!!!

mozilla.org down... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007595)

Thanks ppl. The important bug I was logging in bugzilla got lost in process due to slashdot effect. Oh the humanity !

Tried IRC.mozilla.org to see if anyone knew why...

Next place I checked was /.

Ah ha! Surprise! NOT !

Sunbird 0.2 ... We'll have a mature browser, a mature email client, and a maturing calendar app. The moz.org folks rock! Thanks again.

Has to be said (1, Funny)

be-fan (61476) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007599)

Go go Power Rangers!

daaa na na na na daaa, na na na na..

Mozilla project names currently in alpha (5, Funny)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007601)

  • Birdfire
  • Sunfried
  • Friedbird
  • Furredbread
  • Bunfriar
  • Sunblurred
  • Slurredbird
  • Blurbird
  • Boredslurred
  • Slartibird
  • Currybird
This will go a loooong way to convincing people to switch from silly and confusing Microsoft products! Er...

Re:Mozilla project names currently in alpha (1)

sunwukong (412560) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007775)

Personally I use the Mozilla programs for their clean, intuitive interfaces and the many useful plugins.

Check out this README for their latest, Mozilla Fireball Z:

Interface Keywords:

- typing short, descriptive phrases will start actions or launch plugins,

e.g., Kamehameha launches the Hair Dye and Mousse plugin which simulates a complete bleach job in a windtunnel ...

Device Gestures:

- Quick, easily remembered actions using normally connected devices offer another shortcut to performing useful actions in Fireball Z,

e.g., using the mouse, keyboard, DDR pad, wireless Thighmaster and microphone ...

Just in time (0, Offtopic)

mwolff (594593) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007606)

Just in time for back to school purposes like classes, activities, etc. YAY!

Should I upgrade yet (-1, Troll)

Creamsickle (792801) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007622)

Could someone explain how this browser is different from Firefox? I'm pretty happy with Firefox, but should I upgrade to Mozilla Sunbird now? Any new features of note?

Re:Should I upgrade yet (0, Troll)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007688)

Are you one of those who thinks Thunderbird is a browser, too, or are you just a troll?
I'd guess either troll, or illiterate. Not like it had the words "calendaring application" right in the /. blurb...

RTA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007708)

Mozilla Sunbird is a Calendar - not a browser.

And no, I don't have a sense of humour.

Re:Should I upgrade yet (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007742)

Sunbird is a CALENDER system, not a browser. But you can download it as a plugin to the browser, which works really well :) It puts a Calender option under Tools. Very slick if you ask me.

It's got my vote (3, Informative)

inflex (123318) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007624)

I've been using the Mozilla Calendar for the last few days (strangely conincidental one might think) and I'm definately liking it. I'm using it for tracking a lot of business activities, so it's especially nice how it issues email notices and allows you to repeat things even "once a year".

While there's nothing spectacular about the calendar tool it does do the job and so far it has been running without issue the last 5 days without requiring a restart.

I'm further delighted about this because it means I don't have to walk down the path of Evolution just to get a calendar. One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using .mbx/mailbox files and move to something like what Sylpheed uses (1 file per email).

PLD.

Re:It's got my vote (3, Informative)

Spaceman40 (565797) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007716)

One last thing though - when (if ever) will Mozilla mail change away from using .mbx/mailbox files and move to something like what Sylpheed uses (1 file per email).

One possible reason for the .mbx is that NTFS is so freakin slow at operations involving many small files. ReiserFS rocks at it (as well as a couple other non-FAT/NTFS systems), but all the Windows people (>80% base) would be left wondering where all their speed went.

Now if MS would create a GOOD filesystem (see ReiserFS 4 - maybe they could just grab that!), it would be more feasable for those people with 3,000 e-mails that they don't want to bulk delete.

(btw - I work a helpdesk, I know about those people.)

Possibly a very important project for Open Source (5, Insightful)

techiemac (118313) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007645)

Sunbird could very well be one of the more important open source projects out there! At least, important for the corporate adoption of Linux. While Linux remains awesome in the server/development arena (after all, it's all I use to write code at work), it still lacks in the "Management" desktop area. Before I get lots of flames about this one, I know about openoffice.org but still, if you look at the dominiance and reliance on Outlook in the corporate environment, you will see why Linux needs a good, integrate calendar application.
One CEO even mentioned this to me. He loves Linux from what he has been shown/played with but finds it hard to lose the integrated calendar feature of Outlook. For him, that's what is holding back the adoption of Linux. Believe it or not, he hates the quality of Outlook. The only reason he is tied to it is because it is the only viable solution with the proper features.
The more we look at what our targeted users are using, the better off we will be. This is what Microsoft often does well. They look at who makes the decision to deploy their product, like any good company does, and tailor their product around that user.
I simply cannot believe that we, as an open source community, have not yet duplicated the todo/email/calendar application that managers so love (with good reason too, their jobs often involve quite a few meetings/action items/communications).
Hopefully this will fill the void of an integrated calendar/scheduling application (though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it ;) ).

Re:Possibly a very important project for Open Sour (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007720)

I'm not sure that this would help. It doesn't have the same level of integration as outlook at all, and the single most important thing about outlook is really exchange - the central server thingy that makes group calendaring work.

But wait! what's that over there, in the forested depths of germany?! It's KDE 3.3 Kolab! Marvel! (and slap forehead in horror at stupid "K" theme name).

http://kolab.org/images/shot-kde-client-calendar1. png [kolab.org]

Re:Possibly a very important project for Open Sour (5, Informative)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007749)

(though there could be something already out there... I just don't know about it ;) ).

Ximian Evolution is the Managerial, Outlook-esque product for Linux that you seem to be missing.

MAPI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007649)

How long before they make Mozilla compatible with Microsoft's MAPI? I'd love to replace Outlook with Mozilla....

Re:MAPI? (1)

paragon400 (804058) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007745)

This is unlikely (especially if you are talking about a multi-platform solution). Why write RPC\MAPI code when you could go the Evolution route and write a WebDAV hook. I honestly think this road is the path to moving away from Outlook from the corporate point of view. Evolution has come a long way and I suspect the 2.0 client will be awesome...lets see some other messaging\calendaring multi-platform projects use the WebDAV hook so we have a choice (not that Evo is bad, but choices are good).

Sunbird has no support for proxies - no worries! (5, Informative)

hallucination (99572) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007698)

If, like me, you need to use a proxy server in Sunbird, but found that it doesn't allow you to set one up, you have two choices:

Use the thunderbird/firefox calendar plugin instead

OR

Copy the network.proxy parts of your thunderbird/firefox prefs.js file into your sunbird prefs.js file.

Hah... (2, Funny)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007709)

When I first read the article name I thought Mozilla had once again changed Firefox's name.

Mozilla in Japan (1)

offpath3 (604739) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007722)

I'm very anxious to see how Mozilla does in Japan. I was working at a software company there for a while, and we made some stuff that would work fine in netscape and opera, but glitched in IE, and my coworker basically told me that MS dominated 99% of the market in Japan, and there there basically were no competitors either in the OS or the Web market.

Another goddamn car name (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10007728)

Ford Thunderbird
Pontiac Firebird
Pontiac Sunbird

The Sunbird was an even crappier car than the Firebird. Think Cavalier+nasty plastic decorations.

I've been waiting for this to arrive for a while (3, Insightful)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 10 years ago | (#10007752)

I don't particulary enjoy all-in-one products like Mozilla. If I wanted to browse the web, I launched Firefox. If I wanted to read my mail I used Thunderbird. If I wanted to view my calendar I... was forced to open one of the other programs even if I didn't want to check my mail or browse the web and use the calendar add in.

Aethera and Outlook also forced me to do this. But now, perhaps I can have the calendar app open without having it reminding me every 15 minutes that I wasn't connected to the internet.

Once again, I thank the mozilla group.

Cheers,

Adolfo

PS. Now, If I could just convince the Opera team to unbundle their chat and mail apps from their browser...
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