Hardware That Literally Doesn't Stink? 683
gtaylor writes "You know that new computer smell? Some people (like me) get sick from it. Can Slashdot readers provide good suggestions for mice or keyboards made from ceramic, unlacquered hardwood, metal, etc, non-plastic headphones and microphones, screens like the new metal-framed cinema display from Apple, etc? (Wood is not necessarily right if it's glued or varnished.) I have a Sharp Plasmacluster air purifier that is very helpful but the fewer volatile organic chemicals released in the first place, the better. I'll also need a chair (leaning to the Herman Miller Mirra chair) and an adjustable metal/hardwood desk. High-density hard synthetics like polypropylene (a popular material at Ikea) or acrylic are also inert enough to be fine if they have no plasticizers - suggestions for a full office set-up welcome."
Oh, patients... (Score:5, Funny)
She placed her computer case in a plastic storage bin and placed it in the crawl space under her bedroom. She then bought extension cables for everything and ran the cables up into her living space. I wish I had the pictures she brought in... but her setup included a desk mounted power switch as well.
Once she moved her computer out of her bedroom she decided that her light bulbs were releasing harmful chemicals. It was obviously her light bulbs because she had moved basically everything else out of her bedroom.
Of course, she slept with her cat... but her cat couldn't be causing her allergies. Of course not.
Gesh... just another day at the office.
Davak
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Insightful)
Even ignoring that... i would go get some nasal filters or similar solution if need to, or get some air filtering system for home. Change the world around you vs. change yourself.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Funny)
No, her cat told her about the computer.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Insightful)
Give the cat a bath once a week. Our cat is a long-hair and sheds all the time, even more in summer of course.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Informative)
Trim the claws first. Use a nail clipper. It can still bite though. But with care they accept it, some even enjoy a bath. from all the loose hair that you'll find in the drain you can see that you've cut down the allergens.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Informative)
I am NOT suggesting that all people are like that... just most. So I hope the person who submitted the question doesn't get offended.
As an allergy doc, let me suggest something before you kill yourself with this stuff. Just go see an allergic specialist in your area. We can skin test for almost every known allergic substance to man. Plus, as the medline article that you referenced (which says nothing about computer/electronic smells) suggests, you may have asthma if these smells are making your feel poorly.
Reading from your website [cleanshopper.ca] it appears that you may believe you have chronic fatigue syndrome as well. Is there some connection between multiple environmental sensitivies and chronic fatigue? It would be odd for you to have two rare diseases.
You are making this way too complicated ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Informative)
Assuming that's true, and that by "mental" you mean having mental health difficulties, it could suggest:
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well stop assuming. You've obviously never met anyone like this. I know several, and I'll second BoldAC's opinion.
No one is claiming that there's some serious, or even identifiable, mental health issue in these people. But they do tend to be more than a little high-strung.
Actually, there are many other, better and more precise ways, of putting it; ways I would expect a health care professional to use.
You would only cite the DSM if you were making a proper diagnosis. BoldAC isn't doing that. He has merely made an observation as to a certain personality type. Surely he's as free to do that as anyone else. MDs are allowed to be human beings too, you know.
In any event, allergists to not diagnose psychiatric conditions any more than an psychiatrist ought to be diagnosing allergies.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Insightful)
That's the entire point of their disorder! They don't WANT to believe that it's "all in their head" and if you suggest as much, they will find another doctor who isn't so discriminating. (ie, a doctor who will take their word.)
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's easy to complain that doctors don't treat patients "holistically", but mistakes in this area are unforgivable. You can thank our legal system for that. As a result, doctors dare not treat patients for conditions outside their specialized areas of expertise. Not if they want to stay in practice, that is.
You'll find that doctors generally have little say in who comes to them. In extreme cases they will refuse further treatment, but usually they make a good-faithg effort to treat a patient for the complaints they bring forward. But when a patient refuses necessary tests, refuses to acknowledge true causes for her complaints, and possibly even refuses a suggestion for psychiatric treatment -- what can a doctor do but throw up his hands over it?
It's easy to be cynical from where you sit, of course, but if you ever knew any actual doctors personally you'd know that by and large they'd be perfectly happy never to see another hypochondriac again. But they dare not turn them away just on the off-chance it's something real this time. You can thank our legal system for that too.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Funny)
but seriously, the IM ALLERGIC TO EVERYTHING people tend to either have Munchausen Syndrome/ just plain hypochondria or effected by M. by proxy, where they are believed to be sick all the time (because they realized that they can get attention, many don't realize that they do it for that anymore). Tho, some really are just sickly peoples.
Ascribing a mental illness was not what the post was doing. They just said that they were a bit cracked; off their rocker; playing with too few cards; one short of a six pack; an olive short of a pizza; The wheel is spinning, but the hamster's dead; Somethin' ain't stirrin' the Kool-Aid; All systems go, but going in different directions.
in short, they are just fucking nutters.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually it's a pretty well studied connection [nih.gov].
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Insightful)
I've just got to poke my nose in here, as this is a pet peave of mine. The abstract you linked to was able to find three significant digits of results in their survey of 32 people. This is a classic example of why an extra large dose of skepticism is warranted when it comes to psychologists and others in the "soft sciences" publishing statistical research.
-Steve
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Interesting)
When I was in my senior year of high school, I one day woke up with a massive headache. That headache lasted 8 months. I kid you not, it never ever went away. Luckily it seemed to decrease throughout the day, so I did manage to get some sleep. I became almost insomniatic (sp?), usually falling asleep at 4 in the morning and waking up around 12:00 noon (but always waking up dizzy).
I had to become home schooled even though all the school counselors thought I was making it up (despite the fact that I was going to be valedictorian). I got the headache midway thru October and it wasn't until the end of December that the doctor finally figured out what I had (Cytomegalo virus & Chronic fatigue syndrome). He gave me an anti-bacterial and said I would just have to wait until the virus naturally went away.
I then became mildy depressed and lost all interest in life. I felt absolutely horrible and had no enjoyment in my life what so ever. After I found out I would not become valedictorian (around the end of May) because I was not 'putting in enough effort', I became so spiteful of life that I broke down.
I felt I had been wronged for no reason, as if God himself had punished me.
It was then I took action. I had read that some people with the same conditions as me could sleep better with white noise. I went to my garage and pulled out an old television set (the kind that don't automatically blue screen on loss of signal) and set the volume to high.
I did this for a week for about 12-14 hours a day until I cringed at the sound. My headache finally subsided to a small trivial pain and then finally went away.
To make a long story short, I then went to the prom with a great girl that I first met when I picked her up for the prom and graduated a week later. One week after graduation I found out I was top of my class. Turns out my biology teacher purposely delayed grading my work because I had not personally attended his class...
Anyways, sometimes you just have to draw the line and put up with life. If you really have a problem with new computer smells then I hope you find comfort somehow, but chances are it's a just 'mental thing'. Please, for your own sake, try to get over it. Then just take what life gives you and try to make the best of it.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Funny)
I'm going over to her house right now, and I'll bang down the door and shoot her husband if I have to!
Thanks!
full-on... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:full-on... (Score:5, Insightful)
I've seen it happen. It's really not pretty.
The problem is that the existence of people like this (real deadly multiple-allergy sufferers) gives ammunition to the whiny hypochondriacs. Because some people like that exist, Hypochondriacs think they might be one of them.
Given how allergies work, it makes perfect sense why someone with one allergy tends to have other ones too. An allergy is caused by your immune system having corrupt data on its threat-identification lookup table, so to speak, so it ends up labelling things as major threats when they really aren't. If the identification is badly off enough, it can even raise the threat level of the "intruder" to the point where the immune system "thinks" it's a deadly poison, and so it "thinks" it is authorized to react with everything it's got, even measures which could themselves kill you. And the thing is, this "lookup table" is something that gets edited over the course of your life. Your immune system starts with genetic presets from your parents, but then learns as it goes. If something makes you sick, your immune system learns to fight that something in the future. The nasty thing about some allergies is that they snowball. The allergy itself makes you feel sick, and so the immune system raises the threat rating of that substance and fights harder against it next time, making you even more sick, so it raises the threat rating even more, and starts getting really overzealous about anything that even looks remotely like the allergen - so what starts as an allergy to just walnuts ends up becoming an allergy to all nuts - anything which has a similar enough recognizable chemical pattern in it gets flagged as a problem.
Essentially, the immune system has a cascading snowballing effect that makes it so that more exposure to the allergen makes the allergy worse in the future. So that's why there do exist some people who really *are* that allergic to things - if their immune system is confused to begin with, it tends to cause itself to get even more confused.
Re:full-on... (Score:5, Insightful)
Note, however, that the hypochondriac never suffers from such seriously life-threatening allergic reactions, but frequently from somewhat mild, and often unprovable complaints - headaches, nausea, and itchiness being quite common. Unfortunately, the existence of such symptoms can also not be disproven, a fact on which the hypochondriac relies (consciously or otherwise).
Uh, no. (Score:3, Informative)
No, many soaps contain urea [wikipedia.org]. It's not cow urine, although it is *found* in cow urine. It's also found in pretty much any other kind of urine, hence the name. It's not actually made from urine.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Interesting)
There are multiple causes and each has different treatments. Many forms are actually very difficult to treat, but luckily we have several new medications that are more effective.
Here's a good place to start reading [nih.gov]
Do yourself a favor a see a good allergy or derm doc... dermatitis can be very tough on a person in multiple ways--including their social life. Getting it under control will really change your life.
No, don't! (Score:5, Informative)
E45 is made from Lanolin.
Now, if you read the label carefully, it claims it's "hypo-allergenic" lanolin.
That's a bunch of crap.
If you have an allergy related dermatitis, do _not_ use E45, or other lanolin based emollient. You end up with exposure to lanolin, and it is liklely that you will develop an allergic reacion to the lanolin.
That's what happend to me. Atopic dermatisis (aka eczema), and after about 8 months, I'd developed an allergy to lanolin so severe that I'd rather pour sulphuric acid over my skin, than put lanolin near it.
Now, you (the grandparent) may be lucky, and not become sensised to lanolin. It's not worth the risk - I can't handle most new woolen goods, because the traces of lanolin are there.
E45 is fine if you have unbroken, but dry, skin. That's not the case for people with chronic dermatitis.
What you actually want is aqueaus cream, or emulsifying ointment. Ask your pharmacist, they're about 1/3 the price for 4 times the volume, more effective, and not going to bite you in the ass later on.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Funny)
Dandelions.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:4, Funny)
What scares me more is that she's an engineer... One would assume "Common Sense" would be pretty much standard with engineers... :(
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Interesting)
But, in the 7ish years since I graduated and started wotking, I have noticed that the percentage of practicing engineers lacking common sense is much lower. Not zero (or even close) but much, much lower than engineering students.
I'd even go so far as to say that even those very-highly-intelligent engineering students that happen to lack common sense do not do well in the
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Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh, I see. Sorry about that
Why don't I see many falling bridges then (Tacoma Narrows and such remarkable but isolated examples aside?) (that's 0 personally.)
I see lots of bad semiconductor designs (both processes and individual devices.) It's hard to make a chip, but in the process from specification or idea to crystallized sand wafers, a lot of smart people with common sense (i.e., they know when close enough is good enough) work on it. Each specializes on rather small parts of the design (more or fewer depending on design size and designer talent breadth, as I assume it is with bridges and roads.) So it gets done, but it fails a lot. And we re-make them (at huge cost -- lower than bridges, of course, but in the millions each.)
Bridges rarely fall. Is it because civil engineers are that good, or the building standards are perfectly tuned in the balance of cost/safety? Or material science is so advanced that it's "cheap" to build an unbreakable bridge?
Or it is because of a lack of competition?
That is, since usually only governments can afford bridges, and since the spending of government is controlled by politicians, and since more than zero percent of politicians corruptly and unfairly award contracts to their friends/benefactors (they even occasionally get caught,) then succeeding at CivE allows for a larger margin in price (cost of implementation) than semiconductors because you can charge more when your comany knows it will get the job? I'm not saying that's the case -- I'm asking.
I think you can see this isn't a troll or attempt to bait flames -- I'm really curious.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Informative)
The short answer:
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Re:Oh, patients... (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps it wasn't the cat, but the "instant meals" that the cat brought it and hid somewhere in the crawlspace or bedroom.
My parents started having this rather awful smell in their bedroom. Since the door is always kept closed (to keep the cats out), and everything is kept spotless, dusted and washed every other day, we knew it couldn't be the furniture or decorations. After a couple of days, when the smell became rather strong, we found a partially eaten dead mouse, hidden behind the wardrobe. Our cat had sneaked in, when the door had been pushed open by a strong gust of wind.
Now, we keep a look out for any "surprises". Usually this is given away, when he shoots through the cat-flap, backs himself under the table and starts making growling noises. Then someone has to negotiate the hostage release.
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Funny)
Never underestimate psycho-somatic effects. (Score:5, Insightful)
It is definitely possible to make yourself physically sick if you are mentally convinced you are sick.
I spent years fighting near constant bouts of nausea. Saw a slew of specialists, had scans, tests, X-rays, pokes, prods, and pills. Nothing helped. After a few years I began to realize it was the situtations I was in that seemed to induce my nausea... gee could it be mental?
Short story: yes. I had(have?) "Social Phobia" before it was the cool thing (like ADHD that every third kid has). The damnest thing is that once I knew what was wrong, and was positive my feeling sick was purely in my head, I discovered it was still impossible to not feel "sick" sometimes. It's just like being scared of flying. You can be on a plane and rationally know that you are safer than in your car, but still be terrified at the same time.
My feeling is that a lot of these MCS people just freak out when they smell something "odd". I doubt there is a single treatment to snap these people out of their loop. Therarpy did nothing for my problem, but the slightest taste of an SSRI drug fixed me like flipping a switch. For other people, drugs just make them feel nasty, and talking things out helps.
The point is, I think there is something wrong with people who "have" MCS, and it can be serious, but no amount of avoid the "bad chemicals" is going to help them.
Take two, call me in the morning. Don't sue. No for use with certain sets, your mileage may vary...
Re:Never underestimate psycho-somatic effects. (Score:3, Interesting)
Now you'll hear from a better source:
I have AD/HD. If I try to read a book I'm not into, whether I have to, want to, or both, I'll be lucky to get through a paragraph with my train of thought intact. Or sitting in the same place I was when I started. But if I read a book I'm into, I might take a break to eat something after six hours. If I try to do anything else, I'll be thinking about that.
It's not just reading, of course, but that tends to really emphasize the effect. ADD is poorly named, not an at
Re:Never underestimate psycho-somatic effects. (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree with this, and I empathize. I'm nearly the same way - if I'm doing something I'm interested in, I can stay at it for hours. If I'm not interested in it, I simply can't stay focused. I may have AD/HD, though I've never been to someone who could diagnose me.
That being said, EVERYTHING I hear from the media says that ADD is what kids have when they won't behave. That's ENTIRELY not true. Kids
My PCP (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Maybe the cat isn't the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Maybe the cat isn't the problem (Score:5, Interesting)
However when her daughter takes the cat off to college, she feels dramatically better. She says that's it the stress that her daughter gives her.
She also notices that she gets hives and a runny nose when around other cats... and she honestly thinks she might be allergic to them. Just not her cat.
Congrats with the chicken thing. Reminds me of the old joke:
"Hey, doc... I get palpations everytime I eat chicken."
"Great, don't eat chicken. Next!"
Davak
Re:Maybe the cat isn't the problem (Score:3, Funny)
Grab a bucketful of fried chicken and take it to your next doctor's appointment. Let him hook you up to the EKG machine and then eat away.
I often ask patients to bring in things that they believe they are allergic to.
If you go from normal sinus to having a ton of PVCs while eating chicken, your doctor would have a very interesting case to publish! Plus, if you bring your doc a bucket of chicken, he is certain to sit down and chat
Re:Maybe the cat isn't the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
I dunno if I'd call it "stupid". I work in Healthcare ( respiratory as well, but mostly dealing with sleep medicine instead of allergies ), and people think they understand their bodies pretty well. I mean, they're around them practically all the time, so they sort of consider themselves to be an authority on the subject.
People form a speculative hypothesis on what might be causing their problems, and then their everyday experiences are subtly edited by memory to fit and reinforce these ideas. Not everyone has the understanding of proper eliminative testing, or the discipline, to correctly figure out their problem, or at least some kind of ameliorating behavior, unlike that chicken-dude who's floating around in this thread somewhere. This isn't just a medical problem - people do this in all facets of their lives.
Don't be too harsh on these folks. Nobody likes to feel sick, and even less to not understand what's happening to their body. Reaching out for a hypothesis that they can understand is natural in this situation - it's the job of healthcare professionals to reach through this barrier of uncertainty and provide correct diagnosis and treatment.
YLFIHypochondriacs (Score:5, Insightful)
Hypochondriacs do.
People with multiple chemical sensitivity are usually depressed, and reject suggestions by attending doctors that they see a psychologist, dismissing it as patronizing- they're truly offended and think the doctor is dismissing their claims, when the doctor is actually recognizing someone who's depressed and regardless of physical symptoms, needs to see a trained psychologist.
MCS also is almost always self-diagnosed; patients come to doctors claiming they have it. That is a hallmark of invented diseases and hypochondriacs.
The chemicals leeched off by plastics- and particularly vinyl in cars and the like- are very toxic, actually- but the simple solution is to air out the object in question. Put the keyboard on your porch or something for a few days or something, or for chrissakes, leave the window open.
Re:Maybe the cat isn't the problem (Score:3, Interesting)
Then, about the first time he came round to my house, he sat down on the sofa *exactly* where my cat likes to sit. "Oh aye", you could see the big, fat, friendly but rather bad-tempered cat think, "Can't have this, I want my seat back!" and promptly launched hims
Re:Oh, patients... (Score:3, Funny)
What if he's allergic to it you insentitive clod!?
I like the smell... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I like the smell... (Score:5, Funny)
Try these guys [cableburner.com] "The Cable Burner Company is a San Diego based company which offers the high-end audio/video enthusiast a quicker and more effective alternative to the normal cable break-in process of putting hours and hours of use on their systems."
Or These Guys [russandrews.com]
"Your cables won't perform at their best until they are 'burnt-in'. We are happy to do this for you at a cost of £15 per item if you purchase this option when ordering the cables."
I prefer these guys (Score:3, Funny)
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Ahem (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ahem (Score:3, Funny)
keyboards (Score:5, Funny)
Re:keyboards (Score:3, Informative)
For 15-20 bucks a pop I enjoy having fully responsive keys without all that scarey shit lurking a half inch from my fingers all day.
Kind of like swimming in the open ocean with god knows what lurking in the depths just below you.
Re:keyboards (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:keyboards (Score:3, Funny)
It gets EVERYWHERE.
Take up smoking... (Score:5, Funny)
Take up smoking. Tobacco will give you a legitimate reason to worry about your health and deaden your sense of smell.
This guy just has too much money (Score:2, Funny)
The one thing it's obvious you can't live without. (Score:5, Funny)
I used to hate Big Macs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I used to hate Big Macs (Score:5, Funny)
I think you might have had something wrong with you long before you ever had the Big Mac. I mean you force fed yourself the culinary equivalent of raw sewage for God's sake!
Re:I used to hate Big Macs (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I used to hate Big Macs (Score:4, Funny)
Suddenly, your advice doesn't sound so good.
Allergies aren't the same, because it's less an issue of personal preference than big macs or specific sexual proclivities. People can carelessly spew allergens... they can't carelessly perform anal on you or casually force-feed you big macs. If they did, you'd be pretty pissed, wouldn't you?
AC Trolls (Score:3, Insightful)
I figure that this post marks the point where I can no longer run for president. If I ever do, someone will dig it up and insinuate that I'm gay.
The terrible thing about this all is that it means political debate in america is more akin to trolling than intelligent debate. We knew that allready however.
Re:I used to hate Big Macs (Score:3, Funny)
(Trying to gain enough frequent flyer points for a free one-way ticket to hell.)
How to make the problem *better* (Score:5, Insightful)
Just my 2 cents, from a concerned parent who's been there.
Re:How to make the problem *better* (Score:3, Informative)
The most advanced vaccine research requires monthly injections and has been shown to increase this tolerance to 9 peanuts before anaphylactic shock occurs. It does not appear likely that sufferers will ever be able to purposefu
Please take this seriously (Score:4, Insightful)
Sensibility to volatile compounds is a rare allergy, but it is true. It's not some kind of queer twist. There are people that cannot dress anything but pure,white cotton without having serious, harmful allergies.
I'm allergic,with asthma. My condition is much milder than him, but I indeed suffer inside new cars, for example.
I hate politically correct,so it's nice you joke. But,after,try help him. (I have no clue,sorry).
Re:Please take this seriously (Score:3, Funny)
What not just air it out? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is how you go through life? (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like a geek ailment to me.
i've been afflicted by this and nearly killed (Score:4, Funny)
That's not the only thing (Score:3, Interesting)
If they're anything like the CDRs I buy, this guy's must be hell for him...
Re:That's not the only thing (Score:3, Informative)
It's cyanine, not cyanide. Similar name, completely different chemical.
Cyanine = coloured dye
Cyanide = deadly poison
N.
The real trouble starts... (Score:5, Funny)
A thought: get over it (Score:3, Insightful)
I think I stopped taking this kind of thing very seriously when I read a study where self-identified MCS sufferers were intentionally exposed to chemicals in a blind test - expose them to chemicals with no detectable odor, and they have no reaction. Expose them to harmless chemicals with a noticeable odor, and they immediately have a "reaction".
I hate to be a bastard, but I think that for the vast majority of "sufferers", the underlying problem is far more likely to be psychological than physiological. Perhaps you should approach it from that perspective.
Re:A thought: get over it (Score:4, Interesting)
Tried an Obecalp Spray? (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately, there is a risk you may have to repeat the treatment after a while. It really depends on the severity of you Airdnocopyh (the scientific name for this serious illness) condition.
Re:Tried an Obecalp Spray? (Score:4, Interesting)
Obecalp spelled backwards is placebO.
I haven't heard that one in a while. I once had a huge list of names people and doctors used for placebos and such when they wanted to hide what they were from paitents or such (often during old clinical trials and such if I remember correctly from what the page said.)
Furniture (Score:3, Interesting)
As for computers - try getting a second-hand mouse and keyboard (grab an IBM Model M if you can find it), as the plastic softener emissions degrease over time. For monitor, perhaps a metal-beveled LCD model could work. LCD's do have the benefit of not creating static fields in front, which tends to attract dust on to the skin (which people sometimes react to).
Air It Out/Used Stuff/Elsewhere (Score:3, Insightful)
That said I think we all know the smell of new plastic and it's not that great. Your problem is that you are bother by it, the "new car smell" if you will, only you are FAR more sensitive, right? Well new car smell goes away after a while, after the car has been aired out (it takes a while, obviously). So my first suggestion is to air it out. I would say put it in a big room (have access to a gymnasium?) or some other large space where it will be safe (obviously you can't leave it out in a parking lot). Then set a bunch of fans (or better yet rent or get your hands on one of the HUGE box fans that are used for drying carpet or cheap AC, a Gym would probably have one). Set it up and let it run (make sure there is a source of fresh air, say put the setup to pull air in from a door) and just let it go for a while (a few days maybe?). I would think that (espeically if it's hot, so it all "sweats") would do a great job of fixing it (or at least making it bearable).
My other suggestions would be to try used equiptment. Because it's used, the smell may have already dissapated.
Last is, relocate it. Is that a possibilty for you? Put the PC and such in another room (as much as possible) and run the cords through the wall. That way all you'd need is the keyboard/mouse/monitor, and maybe a diskdrive (say USB/Firewire CD-RW). The less stuff there is, the less the fumes.
As for specific products, I'm not sure what to suggest. You had an idea for a monitor, and someone somewhere must make an aluminum keyboard/mouse. Is rubber much of a problem? You could use one of those rubber keyboards (often designed to roll up or such). They may not be the most comfortable, but it might work.
If rubber does work, you could get a thin paint rubber (must exist if rubber dip exists, although that might work, I know there is a rubber spay can out there) and cover all the part (or at least the surfaces of the plastic parts). That way, you may be able to trap the smell in.
Good luck.
That sucks. (Score:4, Funny)
NASA Might help (Score:5, Interesting)
So I think a starting point me be with This guy. [weblogs.com] Here also. [nasaexplores.com] I don't know if they would release any info to you about what items you may find tolerable but it might be worth a shot.
A cheaper solution (Score:4, Funny)
So, in summary... (Score:4, Insightful)
If it's genuine, nobody will have better resources to identify what's causing the allergy.
If it's psychosomatic, nobody will be better qualified to identify it as such and treat it.
Here is your solution (Score:4, Funny)
No one in my office liked the smell of
computer hardware. The problem was driving
us all completely crazy, until we found
the answer:
Now everyone in my office just uses one of these!
http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/suit-responderp
fsck me, highly improbably computers are the cause (Score:5, Informative)
(warning, I am about to rant again, one of those weeks)
Polymers such as Polypropylene are not just popular with Ikea, there is a good change damn near every white good in your house; most of your car and several of your brown goods are mostly polypropylene (PP) (toilet seats/cisterns even in some countries); your outdoor furniture is almost certainly PP if it isnt metal and glass; maybe even have polyamide (see rant below) cushions. Im certain the top of your washing machine is polypropylene unless it is one of the very new (recently trendy) aluminium exterior or an industrial steel construction one.
Lets not forget the ABS/PC (Acrylonitrile butadiene Styrene/Poly Carbonate) Alloys often used in computer equipment and cars and most "finished" (painted or electroplated) polymer products; "Acrylic" (sic), perhaps you mean PMMA (Poly Methyl Methacrylate); like most of the non-glass drinkware in your house?? That woodgrain in your car, unless it is a VERY EXPENSIVE luxury vehicle, it is almost certainly cubic printed PC/ABS (mercedes owners, sit down, most of yours are cubic printed too). The lenses of your sunglasses/glasses are almost certainly Poly Carbonate or, worse, a thermoset polymer; more volatiles!!! (used in production, but, being volatiles, long past outgassed) oh no!!!.
As for plasticisers; except for FLEXIBLE polymers (like the TPE's used on your mouse wheel and your toothbrush), manufacturers try to avoid volatile plasticisers as they outgas and cause defects during processing; indeed, correct processing of rigid thermoplastics tends to ensure all volatiles are outgassed during processing. If they dont outgas at the 200~300 degrees C they are processed at, they wont at room temperature!!!
Your car's Instrument Panel is almost certainly skinned with a TPE that will outgas volatiles. Either that or painted with a soft feel paint, once again, it will outgas volatiles. Why do you think you need to clean the inside of your winshield so often??
Do you use a latex or synthetic pillow?? or blanket/quilt/doona/comforter(insert name for said from your country here)... more polymers with volatile plasticisers.
I am fairly certain, in fact, that your computer is the LEAST LIKELY item in your home/life to produce volatiles which make you sick/cause allergic reaction. Unless dust/fluid from YOUR ENVIRONMENT is frying on heatsinks etc...
Do you wear ALL COTTON/WOOL clothes??? well, bugger me if you arent wearing plasticised poly amide filaments ("Nylon" or "polyester"); your toothbrush bristles are made of similar materials. Even your toothpaste probably comes out of a PET (Poly Ethylene Teripthalate) or PE (poly ethylene) or PP receptacle.
Hell, the shelves in your fridge are likely to be PMMA or PC if they arent steel mesh. Im fairly certain you have a Poly Ethylene chopping board in your house and drink your favourite soft drink or fruit juice from a PET bottle (oh! no, plastic!!!) bottle.
Bloody hell, whilst we do tear shit out of the enviroment using fossil fuels to create these polymers (although recycling helps, ALOT, you all should do it or lobby your local council/government to do it; takes maybe 5 minutes out of your day); they are so all pervasive that suggesting the use of plasticised polymers in your computer or doped ceramics is making you sick. Lacquered wood or coated metals are just as likely to outgas if heated as many polymers...
What a crock; most allergy specialists would look for OBVIOUS causes first... dust, dust mites, pollen... And even if it *IS* from polymer additives (not plasticisers, these are far from common in rigid polymers), your computer hardware is almost certainly the SMALLEST contributor.
I challenge ANYONE in the western world to proove that they come into contact with more variety of polymers due to their computer than in the rest of their life. If you drive a car, you already loose Almos
Re:fsck me, highly improbably computers are the ca (Score:3, Insightful)
"I challenge ANYONE in the western world to proove that they come into contact with more variety of polymers due to their computer than in the rest of their life. If you drive a car, you already loose Almost every fascia component on the interior and exterior of a car is polypropylene; include the ABS/PC." (I DID proof read it too... duh!)
should be
Windshield? (Score:3, Funny)
Top ten reasons:
10. When you fire the gun from in there, the gunshot residue stays in the car.
9. Because if I don't clean it, the gasses from the film on the inside make me wheeze.
8. When I hit the brakes hard, Rover goes flying. Whee!
7. If you leave cookies on the dashboard for a half hour they get warm. Mmmm...
6. If you leave cookies on the dashboard for a half year, they grow a fine green hair.
5. My parents never leave the h
Why the Mirra Chair? (Score:3, Insightful)
Raw wood, eh? (Score:3, Interesting)
Plastic Parts (Score:3, Informative)
Now we don't have much issue with this in my division (server) because everything is made out metal except for a few small fillers, etc.
P.S. That film you get on inside of your car window. That is your dash outgasing chemicals.
Power Mac G5? (Score:3, Informative)
Laptop: PowerBook G4
You answered your own question.
full office set-up modules (Score:3, Informative)
MB Building Kit System [item-international.com]
CC.
Re:Be a man! (Score:3, Insightful)
Best. Line. Ever.
Re:Organic food (Score:5, Interesting)
You'd enjoy reading this [directessays.com].
More on topic though, it seems many more people today are allergic to all kinds of things than in the past, and it seems the more a society offers "hygienic", "pasteurized" or otherwise sterile food products and other products, the more kids growing up in that society get sick from over-reactivity to the things they weren't exposed in their youth.
I mean, just look at the french: they have all manners of un-pasteurized cheese and they seem to fare quite well on them, but when someone from the US and eats some of that cheese, that person usually gets a good hard case of "tourista", if you see what I mean.
That's proof that if you don't expose your body to stuff all the time, you become over-sensitive to said stuff. That's not necessarily better than letting your body learn how to deal with the stuff itself...
Re:And the usual responses (Score:5, Informative)
Who would have guessed that Slashdot would be a poor place to get medical advice?
Very nice but, for the price... (Score:5, Interesting)
"It takes about 15 working hours to finish a complete one solid wood keyboard, starting from a carefully chosen piece of lumber up to the polishing and testing of the final product. Because of this labour intensive and careful process, Wood Contour can only deliver a limited amount of items per year, since we want to guarantee you that the quality we deliver is the best in the world.
keyboards
Solid Wood PC Keyboard - Ash
$1,115.00
Solid Wood PC Keyboard - Beech
$1,115.00
Solid Wood PC Keyboard - Cherry
$1,115.00
Solid Wood PC Keyboard - Mahogany
$1,115.00
Solid Wood PC Keyboard - Maple
$1,115.00"
While browsing I also found this [woodcontour.net]
Stone mice and keyboard and screen...
quite expensive, with the whole set a more than 7000$... but hey, here it is!
not bullshit (Score:3, Funny)
Re:BULLSHIT (Score:5, Informative)