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Senator Blacklisted by No-Fly List

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the accidents-happen dept.

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sig writes "Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) was turned down for a flight from Washington, D. C. to Boston because his name turned up on the TSA No-Fly list. He eventually got on a flight, but was again denied on his way back to D.C. It took 3 weeks of calls to Tom Ridge and the Department of Homeland Security for the ordeal to get straightened out. But what are ordinary citizens supposed to do if the Secretary of Homeland Security won't take their calls?" There's also a New York Times story.

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1396 comments

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021577)

lollerblades

first flight (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021578)

yeah!

Re:first flight (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021611)


First flight?

Much like John Jr., you fail the hell out of it.

Re:first flight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021681)

Damn the no fly list....
Foiled again

Our gov't at work (4, Insightful)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021582)

Maybe they need to re-evaluate themselves and their standards...(DUH!!!!).

Re:Our gov't at work (0, Redundant)

Dogers (446369) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021635)

In Soviet America, standards evaluate YOU!

(POP goes the karma!)

Re:Our gov't at work (5, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021733)

Well, yes. After implementing any system, you review after a period of time, and correct mistakes/problems.

Very, very few (if any) are the complex systems put into place with zero bugs. That doesn't automatically mean they shouldn't be tried in the first place. Maybe, maybe not. But that is an entirely different question.

Answer. (5, Funny)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021583)

But what are ordinary citizens supposed to do if the Secretary of Homeland Security won't take their calls?

Umm....get a DAMN good start driving?

Re:Answer. (0, Redundant)

GooDieZ (802156) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021622)

better yet... ...start walking!

Re:Answer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021634)

This might seems funny - but I actually took this route during the last 4th of July trip to New York. Its quite enjoyable if you have company.

Re:Answer. (5, Funny)

groot (198923) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021651)


Umm....get a DAMN good start driving?


That won't work after the new 'Don't-Drive' rules take into effect on our nations hiways.

Mr. Kennedy (if that is really your name) please step away from the vehicle...

--laz

Re:Answer. (2, Insightful)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021667)

Umm....get a DAMN good start driving?

Well, If I'm only going to NYC, it's just as fast to drive, what with all the idiotic security meaasures at the airports.

Re:Answer. (5, Funny)

dekemoose (699264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021705)

Do you really want Kennedy driving? Now that's a threat to the country!

Teddy Kennedy driving.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021771)

Q. Who do you get when you cross A.J. Foyt with Jacques Costeau?

A. Teddy Kennedy

Witty Republicans (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021775)

will sort of go for the idea of Ted Kennedy being a terrorist as being some what obvious. Rush Limbaugh on the other hand .....

well you can take that several ways....

and conspiratorialists will point to this and say the Kennedy is a marked man in the eyes of our new republican overlords.

take your pick

Funny... (4, Interesting)

Phoenix-IT (801337) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021585)

Is it me? Or does it seem that potential threats have and easier time getting into airports and on board planes than ordinary citizens do?

Re:Funny... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021620)

Standard buracratic process....
Make things very easy for criminals.

and
Damn near impossible for law abiding citizens.

See software copy protection, crippled cd's etc

least not forget MPAA, RIAA DMCA suck

Re:Funny... (5, Informative)

dekemoose (699264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021762)

For a lot of good reading on truly effective security practices, read Bruce Schneier's stuff, http://www.schneier.com/, his crypto-gram newsletters have lots of interesting reading.

First Post! (-1, Flamebait)

inkblot69 (139068) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021588)

you americans are crazy

Re:First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021662)

And you non-Americans seem to have lousy bandwidth getting such a late fp

Silly Homeland Security... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021589)

Everybody knows Ted Kennedy is no threat unless you're driving in a car with him.....

Re:Silly Homeland Security... (-1, Redundant)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021747)

Over a bridge.

Could it have been... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021593)

Could this have been some backroom shenanigans to harass and intimidate an outspoken member of the opposition party? Lord, no, such a thing would never be done by politicians these days...

Re:Could it have been... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021646)

outspoken member of the opposition party
You misspelled "drunk and fat."

Re:Could it have been... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021703)

It is pretty surprising how much this comes up in politics. Half of the insults hurled at Michael Moore are about him being fat. It's not like there aren't fat Republicans too. Is that the best you can do?

Re:Could it have been... (3, Funny)

mattlary (595947) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021647)

Hey Farva; what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the shit up on the walls?

Oh, you mean Shenanigans ? (1)

LordPixie (780943) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021793)

Ooooohhhhhh....


--LordPixie

The slippery slope (4, Interesting)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021595)

It goes to show that once you head down this road, it is abused, or at best, applied incompetently and inflexibly. Show me your papers, citizen!

Re:The slippery slope (-1, Troll)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021661)

Why's that? Because they refused to let a known murderer on the plane? Sounds to me like Homeland Security is doing what the Justice Department should have done a long, long time ago.

Re:The slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021704)

If only all justice were administered by you, the world would be a perfect place. Oh wait, no, it would be a nighmarish hell.

Re:The slippery slope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021737)

You mean....you have the PROOF of Kennedys' guilt? I'd suggest a quick call to the Justice Department to let them know, otherwise *you* may be considered a terrorist criminal felon abettor for not informing them!

Re:The slippery slope (1)

freak4u (696919) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021674)

I wasn't using my rights anyway. Does anybody remember the qoute about giving up our rights because we weren't using them, and they took away our first and we were speechless (sorry for mangling it, just can't remember)

Re:The slippery slope (0)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021784)

Too bad "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy.

Well.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021598)

The man has killed once before and the vapors from his breath might be considered a weapon of mass destruction...

Re:Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021777)

They might have flagged a security risk because they were serving clam chowdah in-flight.

oh yeah (1)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021599)

It would be robocool to fill the list up with random names. Like George Bush's father. And the governors of all 50 states.

Re:oh yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021645)

that hardly seems random...

Re:oh yeah (1, Funny)

xarak (458209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021786)


Governor of California will suffice. I'd not like to be the security guard who has to tell Arnie he can't board.

How many people (-1, Redundant)

ptrangerv8 (644515) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021600)

find it ironic that the good drun^h^h^h^h senator can't get on planes becuase he's a terrorist...

And people wonder why I don't like things like the No fly list....

Re:How many people (1)

freak4u (696919) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021631)

He got to wait in the terminal ::cough::at the bar::cough::

Walk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021602)

it won't take that long...honest

Flying? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021603)

He probably shouldn't be driving either.

if you can't talk to the guy ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021607)

i think good old fashioned bribery is what that situation calls for

Maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021608)

Kennedys shouldn't be flying?

DieOff.com (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021612)

http://www.dieoff.com

RSSUserLand (-1, Offtopic)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021614)

There's also a New York Times story.

And finally a partner link. What did it take to figure that one out, three years or so?

There could be an innocent explanation (5, Funny)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021616)

It's possible it wasn't that they thought he's a terrorist. Maybe they weighed him and decided they didn't have enough fuel.

Re:There could be an innocent explanation (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021752)

Clerical error, he was supposed to be put on the no drive list.
(Note this not true, just was the fark headline for this yesterday, its fun to push false facts yay!)

Clerical Error... (4, Funny)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021618)

He was supposed to be on the No-Drive List.

Re:Clerical Error... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021654)

I thought it was the "No Bridges" list, but hey -- after the first DUI, who can count anyway....

Re:Clerical Error... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021694)

*grin* Damn, and just after I finished wasting all my moderator points on modbombing rd_syringe...

Wonder what happens to Michael Moore (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021623)

Nixon used the IRS to pester his foes. Now we've (er, they've) got the TSA to play with. It's lovely to see the advances that government has made.

Re:Wonder what happens to Michael Moore (1, Informative)

SCOX_Free (806174) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021769)

Get the facts straight. Nixon TRIED to use the IRS to pester his foes.

Clinton is the one who succeeded in using the IRS.

given the record (3, Funny)

kc0re (739168) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021625)

Given the record of deaths in the Kennedy family, Tom Ridge was probably protecting Ted from himself.

Well... (0, Troll)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021627)


Maybe he is on the no-fly list because the plain can't fly with him on it

Let's not jump to conclusions here.

Re:Well... (0)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021690)

Yeah, Iowa doesn't get much lift.

license to fly? (2, Interesting)

jokach (462761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021628)

It appears the good ole' US government is soon going to require us to carry 'airline licenses', just like drivers licenses ... maybe that would keep them from making incompetent mistakes like this!

well... (1, Funny)

Pidder (736678) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021632)

But what are ordinary citizens supposed to do if the Secretary of Homeland Security won't take their calls?

Wear a Ted Kennedy mask?

Ironic (2, Insightful)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021633)

Funny how a democratic senator is blacklisted after speaking at the DNC. Coincidence?

Re:Ironic (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021730)

Yes, coincidence. You have to be some kind of tinfoil-hat Republican conspiracy freak to see a relation here, because putting someone at a no-fly list after speaking at the DNC is a rather ineffective way of furthering ideals. Even conspiracies have an obligation of making sense.

Re:Ironic (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021755)

Funny how a democratic senator is blacklisted after speaking at the DNC. Coincidence?

He was blacklisted several months BEFORE the convention. RTFA!

I heard the speech, however, and
believe me, in this case, preemptive action would have been justified.

Re:Ironic (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021788)

Yeah, thats my bad, but he nevertheless he has been anti-Bush for a while, and the idea is the same. Sorry for the goof. :-/

Just to point this out (3, Interesting)

CptChipJew (301983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021639)

Kennedy used this as an opportunity to show how this system is sort of a lousy idea, and an even worse implementation.

So to this, all I can say is that Ted should be modded up at least +3 Insightful

Sounds like a political stunt to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021653)

Something here is a bit fishy, I'm sure Mr. Kennedy flies quite often. The timing of it all seems a bit too opportune.

Re:Sounds like a political stunt to me. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021746)

What are you suggesting? That he blacklisted himself?

Liberal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021655)

Well... Liberal... Terrorist... same thing in my mind! Start the feeding upon my post!

Not on "No-Fly" list but rather the "Screen" list (2, Informative)

Jim_Maryland (718224) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021664)

Don't recall the radio program but late in the day the word was that he wasn't on a No-Fly list but rather a Screen list. What the exact difference is between the list was not discussed, but I'd have to imagine that the first prohibits flight while the second is more of a harassment.

Re:Not on "No-Fly" list but rather the "Screen" li (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021727)

think the screen list is for people whos names resemble alias's of known or suspected terrorists

Re:Not on "No-Fly" list but rather the "Screen" li (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021776)

he wasn't on a No-Fly list but rather a Screen list. What the exact difference is between the list was not discussed

He IS allowed to fly, but must remain behind a screen so that the other passengers don't have to look at him. Seems reasonable to me.

Anyone else think this was politically motivated? (4, Interesting)

bretharder (771353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021666)

A Liberal Democrat Senator gets put on the No-Fly list by mistake _AND_ It takes 3 weeks to get removed?

politically motivated? (1, Redundant)

monkeyserver.com (311067) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021669)

He's very anti-bush, I wonder if some one with a little power thought this would be funny. I'm sure the bush ppl wouldn't mind inconviencing one of the most recognizable Democratic senators in the country.

of course, if that's true then only Micheal Moore would have a harder time getting OFF the list...or heaven forbid... an actual terrorist

Get a common name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021676)

My name is James Sullivan - i may be safe for a little while - while the matching is done on name... There are people secretly named James Sullivan everywhere.

Ordinary citizens don't need air travel (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021677)

Only glorious Party members need to go places. Citizens should be Happy to be working for the greater glory of the Corporation that so graciously employs them.

So what will it be folks? (0)

east coast (590680) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021678)

Either we drop these security measures which makes us open to hijackings or we learn to live with some inconvenience until the system can be refined. It's odd that out of all the self proclaimed geeks that wonder these message boards that this is somehow an alien concept. If we abandoned technology everytime we tried to put it into a useful circumstance and it failed we'd still be living in caves praying for lightning to create fire.

You'd think that we'd have gotten past the point of dismissing everything that had the occasional glitch.

Re:So what will it be folks? (2, Insightful)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021729)

Either we drop these security measures which makes us open to hijackings or we learn to live with some inconvenience until the system can be refined.
Yes sir, you just bought the false dichotomy that the US government is currently peddling. Contratulations on being a Good Citizen. I hope you have as much success with the War on Terrorism as you did with the War on Drugs.

Re:So what will it be folks? (1)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021753)

*sigh*

The system needs to be scrapped.

The appropriate solution is ZERO access to the flight deck from the passanger conpartment.

Fix the plane designs and the issue goes away.

They can still blow one up, but not drive it into something.

Re:So what will it be folks? (4, Insightful)

gtaluvit (218726) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021763)

How does this make us open to hijackings? The terrorists from 9/11 had valid credentials. They went through a metal detector. The added security does nothing but placate the sheeple. Try flying sometime and you'll see how security is spotty at best. You don't have this kind of trouble in foreign airports that are BIGGER targets for this sort of thing. Think about that.

Re:So what will it be folks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021774)

You'd think that we'd have gotten past the point of dismissing everything that had the occasional glitch. Piss off Gates.

MIstaken ID? (-1, Flamebait)

the-surgeon (764695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021679)

With the anti-American diarrhea that Kennedy often spews from his mouth, I'm sure it was just a case of mistaken identity... Or it was a god damned good practical joke on the part of DHS.

And why is he flying commercial anyway??? I guess the family G5 is in the shop.

The fly on the wall... (3, Funny)

petepac (194110) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021686)

Ashcroft: Hey Tommy, can you do me a favor?

Ridge: What can I do for you Ash?

Ashcroft: Ted Kennedy grabbed my parking spot in the parking lot at Justice. Anything you can do so I can get back at him?

Ridge: I've got a GREAT idea!!!

Has anyone considered that (1, Funny)

RCO (597148) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021696)

this might not have been a mistake?

Re:Has anyone considered that (1)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021792)

Yes, I read the article. Someone - a known terrorist used the alias of T. Kennedy. The screen list is used to make sure that this is really Ted Kennedy, not someone pretending to be him. Hmm, sounds legit to me.

Then again, Ted Kennedy IS dangerous when traveling.

Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021700)

U.S.A the land of the free! Seems that slogan needs to be re-evaluated.

Publicity Stunt (0, Flamebait)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021701)

Sounds like Ted was staging a publicity stunt to me.

It's not like the people in Washington or Boston would not recognize him as a Senator, and treat him as such. Hell, I don't even like him, and *I* would recognize him as a Senator, and treat him with the respect due the office.

And it's unlikely that a clerk at an airline counter is going to check some list of banned passengers when a Senator that (s)he recognizes stops at the counter in front of her. She'll issue the ticket without a second thought, unless she were a complete imbecile.

Re:Publicity Stunt (1)

nberardi (199555) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021725)

I think it is more of an automatic process for the checking of the names. At least I hope it is, or the service is pretty useless.

Re:Publicity Stunt (3, Insightful)

slartibart (669913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021778)

I'd bet the majority of Americans would not recognize Ted Kennedy. And even if the counter employees recognized him, I doubt they would deviate from their normal procedure.

Hopefully, (1)

MisanthropicProgram (763655) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021712)

the other members of Congress, regardless of their party affiliation, will get pissed off that one of their own was put on the No-Fly list and maybe re-evaluate the damn thing.
Or, they'll just give themselves a special "We're Congress, We're Exempt Card"

Maybe that's not the real reason. (4, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021719)

I was watching that show Airline that follows around SW Airlines employees and they wouldn't let a couple fly becasue they had too much to drink. Could that be the REAL reason Kennedy wasn't allowed to fly?

Winds of change? (1)

drakyri (727902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021724)

Those who make the laws aren't always able to see from the perspective of those who must obey the laws ... or at least, the rest of the population. After this incident, perhaps Kennedy will be a little more inclined to push for changes in the TSA, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act. I don't know what his voting record is on the subject, but it seems like things can only improve after this incident.

My native tounge is Piraha (-1, Offtopic)

Zabu (589690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021732)

First Post.

It wasn't a blacklist... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021735)

It was a weight limit.

The last time Ted Kennedy went to the beach, a group from Greenpeace showed up, tied a rope around his feet, and used a boat to try and haul him back into the water....

Need good ideas (OffTopic) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10021745)

Here's the deal. This is a buddy/coworker's last day at work. He's the telecom director and is going to work for teenmania.org (a local christian college/cult, yes we've made the "Don't drink the kool-aid jokes"). Telecom director meaning he's the guy that fixes the phones. I need good ideas quickly of evil shite to do to him today before he leaves. I work for the government, so nothing TOO far out there, but a good prank would be nice.

Too bad... (1, Funny)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021751)

Oh come on, it was just an excuse for him to spend more time at the airport bar.

Re:Too bad... (1)

Thrymm (662097) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021767)

Hahaha amen! At least he attempts to fly instead of killing another woman DUI.

I doubt it's a setback... (1)

Pollux (102520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021759)

No way will GW drop the "no-fly" list. They'll probably just add an exception to the rule:

"If the passenger is overweight, has grey hair, looks like someone kicked his face in, and turns so red in the face when you tell him he might be a terrorist that he looks like he's going to spontaneously combust, let him pass."

good idea (1, Funny)

Arch-out (710539) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021766)

sounds like they are now going to ban people that support terrorists.

Possible DOS attack? (1)

zaaj (678276) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021768)

So, all terrorists have to do is find a list of important people to whom lack of commercial flight availability would hamper US security, and use aliases that match their names, right? It would seem that something more than a name should be required to deny people access to tranportation. Heck, I've looked up my own name in national phone book databases and found dozens of first & last name matches all over the country.

A photo of a face would go a long way, but would definatley increase the overhead of distribution of the list. Anyway, it does seem to be an easy-to-abuse/misuse system as it is.

If Tom Ridge Won't Take Your Call (1)

Kurt Wall (677000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021772)

You run for Congress. Then he'll take your call.

Funny (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021779)

This comes at the same time that Arlen Specter made the news in Pittsburgh for trying to get around air travel safety rules.

LK

Mischief, anyone? (1)

palutke (58340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10021791)

From the article: A senior administration official, who spoke on condition he not be identified, said Kennedy was stopped because the name "T. Kennedy" has been used as an alias by someone on the list of terrorist suspects.

Okay, how about adding J. Ashcroft, G. Bush, T. Ridge, J. Lieberman, J. Kerry, etc to our list of aliases?
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