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Get Rid of Internet Explorer - Browse Happy!

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the familiarity-breeds-contempt dept.

Internet Explorer 816

Matt writes "BrowseHappy not only tells us why IE is unsafe, but also provides "switcher" stories of people that stopped using IE and switched to a safer browser. This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers."

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First complaint (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051356)

Mod Parent Up. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051382)

This gold shit has got to go.

Re:Mod Parent Up. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051454)

If you don't like it, drop the "it." infront of slashdot.org instead of complaining in public.

IE is Teh RAWx (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051359)

Mozilla is Teh Sux. FP Bitches

Safari! (1, Informative)

ghenne (537543) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051360)

Need I say more?

Re:Safari! (5, Funny)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051381)

Safari! Need I say more?

I think hunting down IE users for sport is a bit of overkill, don't you?

Re:Safari! (5, Funny)

desmogod (792414) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051447)

Not really, no.

Re:Safari! (1)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051490)

Ahh, come on, every Mac OS X user loves a good Safari.

Re:Safari! (3, Funny)

twenty-exty-six (772817) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051491)

I think hunting down IE users for sport is a bit of overkill, don't you?

You're either with us or against us. Now prepare for the hunt!

Re:Safari! (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051494)

If you have one of those heavy safari jeeps, it's more like a roadkill ;)

Fp and slashdotted already (-1, Offtopic)

wobedraggled (549225) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051363)

Bah....

WooHoo (1)

desmogod (792414) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051365)

Not even one post and it's slashdotted... Maybe it's a problem with my browser?

Re:WooHoo (4, Informative)

skurk (78980) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051413)

This is the only page I got to read before the server got /.'ed:

Why is Internet Explorer unsafe?

See what people are saying about Internet Explorer, in the wake of its most recent security issues:
New York Times, In Search of a Browser That Banishes Clutter: [nytimes.com]
  • Ms. Sandlin is so devoted to [Firefox] that she has taped a note to her monitor warning guests not to click on the desktop shortcut to Internet Explorer. "Do not touch the blue E!" the note says.

USA Today, Security risks swell for Microsofts Explorer: [usatoday.com]
  • Using Microsofts Internet Explorer Web browser to surf the Internet has become a marked risk even with the latest security patches installed.

The Inquirer, US Government warns against Internet Explorer: [theinquirer.net]
  • The US Government has sent out a warning out to internet users through its Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), pleading users to stop using Microsofts Internet Explorer.

Slate, Are the Browser Wars Back?: [msn.com]
  • [A]ll-conquering Internet Explorer has been stuck in the mud for the past year, as Microsoft stopped delivering new versions. The company now rolls out only an occasional fix as part of its Windows updates. Gates and company won the browser war, so why keep fighting it?

The problem is that hackers continue to find and exploit security holes in Explorer

Re:WooHoo (2, Insightful)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051455)

While yes hackers continue to find and exploit security holes in Explorer, let's not forget that holes would likely be found in Firefox et all as well, if the hackers decide to start concentrate on these other browsers once they have a large enough market share.

Re:WooHoo (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051479)

That may be true, but for the moment, IE is one of the biggest security holes you can use, so avoid it by all means.

If hackers find lots of security holes in Firefox, and the developers refuse to release a patch for 6 months, then fine... we'll have to switch again.

Re:WooHoo (2)

BinLadenMyHero (688544) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051532)

That's true, but being open source the holes would get fixed in few hours.

I switched too (-1, Troll)

meatpopcicle (460770) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051368)

IE is crap, long live Mozilla

Re:I switched too (4, Informative)

donweel (304991) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051539)

My biggest reason for switching is that IE seldom will increase the text size when commanded to. Mozzila always will increase the text size of a web page. I can't read the fine print on a lot of web sites.

surely not FP! :-S (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051369)

cool

Argh! (1, Funny)

BluRBD!E (627484) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051370)

My eyes! Ze goggles, zey do nothing!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051371)

hahah

Preaching to the Choir (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051376)


please put all Firefox/Opera/Mozilla/etc stories below this line
____ _ _ _ ____________

but seriously you are preaching to the choir here, you think we (and our families/friends) dont know about Mozilla.org [mozilla.org] yet ?

Here's one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051415)

Firefox locks up all the time when browsing Slashdot. Bugger.

i want my voice counted!!! (3, Funny)

knowles420 (589383) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051380)

i have dumped ie (and outlook, blech.) for mozilla and my computer has never been more gooder.

Re:i want my voice counted!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051465)

I didn't know George Bush posted on Slashdot!

(hurr hurr i am liberal slashdot comedian)

Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051386)

Slashdotted before the first comment.

Maybe they should focus on being more Serve Happy!

Not so much switch... (2, Interesting)

kingkade (584184) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051387)

I'd be happy if browsers like Firefox forced MS to at least make IE a little better in terms of proper CSS support, lockups, holes, tabs, etc. But probably it'd be best if Firefox got something like a 30% market share that way they can make their tiny extensions or ignore some of the standards. Web's still the future people.

Google Cache (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051388)

Google Cache [64.233.167.104]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:eAw_5YZf-icJ: browsehappy.com/

Stick / Dead Horse..., (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051389)

Ugh,

Havent we talked about this enough allready?

YES IE SUXS!, and move on to mozilla, but the general public
A. Dont Care.
B. Not technically inclined enough to do it.
C. Think changing wont help any.

Dangerous (5, Insightful)

mukund (163654) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051390)

This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.

So it's against IE.

Dangerous ?? (1, Informative)

serutan (259622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051487)

No it's not against IE. It's against infiltration and popups, which IE happens to be synonymous with.

Re:Dangerous ?? (2, Interesting)

Curtman (556920) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051533)

What we need is a campaign against Microsoft. For a lot of users the question ins't why to switch, Its how. I install Firefox for people any time I hear the words popup, or spyware. But as soon as they hop on MSN, and click a link they're back in Exploder, and there's nothing they can do about it short of copy & pasting URLs. And of course there's no way to shut off MSN. Well you can, but next Windows Update, or next time you run Outlook there it is again.

Re:Dangerous (1)

tonyr60 (32153) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051501)

"So it's against IE"

It sure is. If it had any balance at all IE would be one of the listed browsers.

Which is unfortunate as any fair comparison of the listed browsers + IE would still achieve the apparent agenda of the site.

Re:Dangerous (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051549)

Mozilla/Firefox can't be considered totally safe, due to such vulnerabilities as the shell:// security hole. Bugs are bound to crop up, but IE has the Windows Update mechanism to notify interested users when security holes are found. Mozilla/Firefox has no convenient mechanism for allowing users to immediately detect updates and patch their browsers. In some ways, IE's security is ahead that of Mozilla/Firefox.

Deceptive Headline (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051391)

The headline gives the impression that this is about how to actually rid windows of IE (Possible in 9x/me, but doesn't seem to be in 2k/xp). Sadly, in actuality it's just encouraging people to not use it.

Re:Deceptive Headline (5, Insightful)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051440)

The headline gives the impression that this is about how to actually rid windows of IE (Possible in 9x/me, but doesn't seem to be in 2k/xp).

Which is why MS needs to take a few extra hours to write a stand alone app for windowsupdate instead of relying on IE and ActiveX. Then most people could leave IE installed and blocked by their firewall.

Re:Deceptive Headline (0)

knowles420 (589383) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051469)

start -> control panel -> add/remove programs -> add/remove windows components -> find internet explorer and uncheck it. clicl OK. i just ran a search for iexplore.exe on my system and luckily, it was not found. bonus.

Opps... (0, Redundant)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051394)

They got a front-page slashdot story.

*crash*

Browse Happy? (5, Funny)

SourKAT (589785) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051396)

... need a porn friendly browser!

Re:Browse Happy? (2, Funny)

B747SP (179471) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051434)

a porn friendly browser!

OI!!! I resemble that remark!

Re:Browse Happy? (5, Informative)

frugal_d (790617) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051485)

Pornzilla! [squarefree.com]

Yeah.... right. (5, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051398)

This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.

Yeah, right. This is rhetoric nonsense. Of course it's "against IE", if it's for the use of a better browser. If you're making a case for something, it - at the very least - implies that the item it's comparing it to is inferior in some way. Yes, this is a case against IE.

Don't say foolish things like this just to seem like you're not partial. You are. There's nothing wrong with being partial, when your partiality is based off of sound logical reasoning.

Re:Yeah.... right. (5, Insightful)

serutan (259622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051569)

Reality check.

Brushing your teeth is a fight against tooth decay, not denture companies.

Home insulation is a fight against cold, not furnace companies.

Quitting smoking is a fight against disease, not tobacco farmers.

Using a safe browser is a fight against assholes who write viruses, not IE.

Etc, etc.

Not too much real information there (1, Insightful)

MushMouth (5650) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051400)

browse happy quotes a bunch of articles, none of these articles really get into too much detail. As it is Firefox 0.9+ is pretty buggy, all of the bugs I have found thus far have been cosmetic and easily fixed, however if the obvious cosmetic bugs have left in, I am certain there are plenty of non-cosmetic exploitable issues in it.

Re:Not too much real information there (1)

caferace (442) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051451)

...however if the obvious cosmetic bugs have left in, I am certain there are plenty of non-cosmetic exploitable issues in it.

Spoken like a true sekurity widget.

Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051407)

I've always found the IE just works. I agree that the security issues are a problem but they are slowly getting worked out...

The anti-microsoftism here is tiring...

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (5, Insightful)

savagedome (742194) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051505)

IE just works

Yeah, well, its relatively easy to get a thing just working when every website is designed to cater to it.

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (0, Flamebait)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051507)

If you're the _only_ idiot left that likes IE, you sure do surf a _hell_ of a lot of websites! If _security issues_ were the only problems with IE, I'd be a _much_ happier web developer.

Yes, you are. (5, Funny)

Garabito (720521) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051508)

I've always found the IE just works

So does your X10 camera, DVD backup software, Debt Consolidation Program...

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (2, Informative)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051511)

It must be something about my machine, but I find Firefox much more stable than IE. It also loads quicker, and renders quicker. I love tabs, programmable search bar, and the simplicity of its' extensions. No matter what features MS adds to IE, I won't switch back because I don't see them seperating the browser from the OS.

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (5, Funny)

utopyr (621354) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051512)

Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok?
Yes.

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051521)

Did you read the article? Do you read at all? Even the US government is recommending against using IE for security reasons.

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (5, Interesting)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051555)

Just works? I recently had to use a new computer, and I decided to try IE. First site I went to, I was hit with three popup ads and a spyware download. Second site I went to was www.opera.com.

Re:Am I the only person that thinks IE is ok? (4, Insightful)

chimpo13 (471212) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051564)

"The security issues are a problem" is minor for you because no one's swiped your identity. I heard there's a hurricane in Florida. Oh well, that's 3,000 miles away. Not my problem.

They won't release the names of the major sites that have been hacked so when you visit them with IE, you're screwed. Man, that's annoying. Just how they won't tell you who is selling contaminated beef when Mad Cow was found. If there's a problem, out with the info.

Most slashdotters are anti-M$ as long as M$ are being jerks. IE, and most of M$, is an easy target, but how many people here have an Xbox? MS$ is a double-edged sword. Run with the sword idea.

A Major Problem (5, Informative)

MikeDawg (721537) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051418)

I work for a decently sized bank data processing center. I know that our vendor we use for the core part of our applications and servers will only support Microsoft IE, mainly because they use a lot of .asp for their online compononents. A few banks have received word about the FCC declaring IE full of bugs, problems, and unsafe for most uses; these banks started asking about support for "other" browsers, and received word that there is no support planned anytime soon for any other browser other than IE.

My bank works fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051467)

Chevy Chase Bank (Washington, DC area) has a very nice DHTML rich website that works great for me in Firefox.

Re:A Major Problem (4, Informative)

CodeMaster (28069) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051516)

ASP support has nothing to do with IE or any other browser for that matter (lynx friendly).

You should be looking for ActiveX and screwed up DHTML when you say that IE is required. I am working with a major financial processing company and we support all browsers. Some of the servers do run ASP (both from Win and Linux servers) but the HTML they spit out is squeky clean - not a problem even if you have to recode some of the application... (w3c is your friend - and the firefox web developer extention too!).

get a free iPod [freeipods.com] This actually works! got credit for my AOL account, one of my friends got instant credit from that video professor thing (cancelled immediately)... 2 more to go...

Re:A Major Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051518)

However, if the FDIC, Comptroller of the Currency, Federal Reserve, or other banking regulators get serious about internet security, those vendors will get the message.

ASP not a problem (5, Informative)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051520)

I write a lot of .asp, and I use both Mozilla and IE to check the code I write. Unless the person coding the ASP pages is an idiot, it doesn't make a diffrence, as everything is processed server side.

You run into problems because either a) the ASP coder uses vbscript for client side validation, and nothing but IE supports vbscript, or b) they don't bother to write cross-platform client side javascript code. I can't come down too hard when people don't do this, as the DOM differs from browser to browser.

The people responsable for this forking of the DOM need to be dragged nekkid across a cactus patch.

Re:A Major Problem (1)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051546)

only support Microsoft IE, mainly because they use a lot of .asp

Wow, that's a lame excuse. There's nothing inherent in ASP that requires IE for it to work right. It's just sloppy and lazy programming on the part of the developers! Sloppy and lazy!

As with Linux, so with Mozilla. (4, Insightful)

scowling (215030) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051420)

I use Windows because there's software that I can't run under Linux.

And I use Explorer because there are websites that don't render properly under anything else. Sure, it's bad design to create your website such that it only works under IE, but that's really not my concern; I just want the content and the pretty pictures.

My machine is secure. I'd sooner have an insecure browser than does what I need it to do than a secure browser than doesn't.

Re:As with Linux, so with Mozilla. (4, Informative)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051474)

Then install Firefox and the extension "Open link in IE". If the link doesn't display right, use the quick link and open it in IE. Then close IE, and keep moving in firefox. It is a shame that MS is trying to break the HTML standard. I even wrote a script to email a pre-written comment to the webmaster of a page the renders wrong in firefox. This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for lazy authors and shortcuts.

Re:As with Linux, so with Mozilla. (1)

thedillybar (677116) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051525)

A pre-written e-mail everytime I hit the View This Page in IE button wouldn't bother me one bit. Maybe a confirmation first.

Re:As with Linux, so with Mozilla. (5, Insightful)

Platinum Dragon (34829) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051483)

My machine is secure. I'd sooner have an insecure browser than does what I need it to do than a secure browser than doesn't.

If you're using an insecure browser, then your machine is not secure.

I don't know what websites you're using that don't render under Gecko properly, or refuse to acknowledge anything other than an MSIE user agent string. When I run into one of those sites*, I make a note to avoid it. If it's something "essential", like a government site, I either find a workaround, see if there is an offline alternative, and lacking that, complain.

* So far, I've only run into one government site that refused a Galeon user agent. I know it wasn't anything more than that, because changing the user agent string allowed me to access the site--signing up for Canadian employment insurance benefits, incidentally. Beyond that, I haven't run into any sites that don't render properly under Gecko. My bank's site has run fine since Mozilla still used M designations for its milestone releases.

The root cause (1)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051506)

You my friend, are the reason why people still design with only IE users in mind.

Re:As with Linux, so with Mozilla. (1)

I_Love_Pocky! (751171) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051547)

I use Windows because there's software that I can't run under Linux.

And I use Linux because there's software that I can't run under Windows.

And I use Explorer because there are websites that don't render properly under anything else. Sure, it's bad design to create your website such that it only works under IE, but that's really not my concern; I just want the content and the pretty pictures.

So will you switch if a lot of websites start being made that can only be viewed properly in standards compliant web browsers?

My machine is secure.

I very much doubt it (unless of course you have sealed it in a block of concrete with no external connections).

I'd sooner have an insecure browser than does what I need it to do than a secure browser than doesn't.

Good luck with that.

tsk tsk (0)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051421)

This is off-topic but i saw the following line
at the end of this page

Heisengberg might have been here

The correct name would be "Heisengberg" - you stupid slashdot editors.

Do you feel like the Compleat Meathead now? (-: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051449)

All about Heisenberg [wikipedia.org] .

Re:tsk tsk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051478)

The correct name would be Heisenberg - you stupid atari2600.

Re:tsk tsk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051489)

Heisengberg might have been here The correct name would be "Heisengberg" - you stupid slashdot editors. We're you SO outraged at the misspelling that in your haste to show your superiority you screwed up and spelled the name wrong also? What an idiot.

Re:tsk tsk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051523)

Dear half million+ usid tea-bagger: YOU spelled it wrong also!

IE is too often required (5, Insightful)

Salo2112 (628590) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051430)

I only use IE when I am *required* to do so, but there's the rub: there are too many things that do not work unless you use IE. The user agent switcher is nice, but it doesn't always work.

For irony's sake, I'll list the biggest offender (in so many ways) in my life: *IBM*'s Lotus Notes.

Re:IE is too often required (1)

DrLZRDMN (728996) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051495)

you can check the source, sometimes validation is done with an if-else statement in javascript and the url of the real page is right there, and the page usualy renders fine.

SP2 (1, Troll)

antikarma (804155) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051433)

I didn't get to read the article, but I'm assuming it's about pre-SP2 IE. IMHO SP2 IE is just as good as Firefox in terms of security. If it had tabbed browsing, I'd use it all the time.

Re:SP2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051486)

Yeah, that popup blocker does a lot to increase security. And you don't have to go through all the trouble of clicking "no" for ActiveX installers.

In terms REAL security (as opposed to user screw-ups) SP2 IE is almost the same as the previous version.

Re:SP2 (1)

z3021017 (806883) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051558)

For IE tabbed browsing, you can always download a browser extension such as Crazy Browser [crazybrowser.com] or MyIE2 [myie2.com] .

Cant switch... (2, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051438)

Can't switch, unless someone has been able to get Microsofts OWC active-x objects working in Mozilla (I've tried, but as far as I can tell the Mozilla active-x plugins are designed to simply crash). In addition I need support for the Lotus Domino java applets, which also crash under mozilla.

World is too IE centric.

Mozilla is just as vulnerable. (1, Informative)

Blaede (266638) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051443)

I got caught with a trojan while using Firefox with popup blocking enabled. I had switched to Firefox to prevent this exact occurence, and yet I still got nailed, even with a hardware firewall installed. Firefox is certainly not the 100% foolproof panacea most are touting it to be. Every day I'll get at least one popup (which doesn't get blocked) that has to be shut down via task manager and not clicked on for fear of it having a booby trapped 'close button' that really installs something.

Re:Mozilla is just as vulnerable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051545)

Sounds like the problem is between the keyboard and chair. You don't normally just get TROJAN's from just browsing. Firefox (and every other browser) require you to actually OPEN the file you downloaded. Hell, unless the site uses an IE exploit, IE requires you to OPEN it as well.

Re:Mozilla is just as vulnerable. (4, Insightful)

crimethinker (721591) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051556)

I want details.

There was a /. article a few weeks ago about spoofing Firefox, which pointed to a demo. Sure enough, the script could turn off your title bar, status bar, etc. and looked quite real. Then the follow-ups pointed out where in the config to change things so that the spoof wouldn't work properly. Examples, proof, showing us instead of just claiming it's so.

Also, a hardware firewall will almost never protect you from a web-based trojan; you *requested* the data from the server to your PC, and any hardware firewall (not an IDS) that blocks that is failing to do its job.

Nothing is 100% fool-proof. You know the line: "if you make it fool-proof, the world will build a better fool."

-paul

Re:Mozilla is just as vulnerable. (3, Interesting)

Zebbers (134389) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051565)

that may be the result of spyware opening browser windows......

Re:Mozilla is just as vulnerable. (5, Insightful)

MooCows (718367) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051566)

Every day I'll get at least one popup (which doesn't get blocked) that has to be shut down via task manager and not clicked on for fear of it having a booby trapped 'close button' that really installs something.

Firefox can't show browser windows without a caption. (unless you're running with Java enabled), and in that case it will show a Java frame. (which can't do much harm, and is possible in any java-supporting browser)
Firefox can't install anything other than XPI (which you need to give explicit permissions for).
Spyware/Adware already on your PC won't be magically removed by switching to another browser.

Your post sounds honest, but implausible.

No women stories? (4, Insightful)

danharan (714822) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051444)

Do people wonder why we can't attract more women to Computer Science [slashdot.org] ... ?

I'm certainly not going to share this with any women as long as the switching stories only feature guys. This hopefully a) wasn't done on purpose and b) is going to be changed really soon.

IE on slashdot (2, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051445)

Does anyone recall what percent of slashdot page views are ie?

Re:IE on slashdot (1)

nbert (785663) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051509)

AFAIK Slashdot never publicized official zeitgeist like stats

So many vulnerabilities, so little time (4, Interesting)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051448)

I feel like a Dutch boy plugging his finger in the proverbial leaking dikes.

IE vulnerabilities are dime a dozen, that I could well be a thousandaire (just doesn't ring right, uh?) Latest one is the drag-n-drop exploit. In fact, it becomes a down outright security risk just to have the blue E icon available on your desktop and startup menu.

So, I deleted the blue E icon thereby forcing the end-user to get exposed to Mozilla and Firefox.

They too went home and switched as well.

Looks like the groundswell support is brewing here. I wonder if this is also true elsewhere.

FireFox (3, Informative)

matz62 (74523) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051460)

I knwo for a fact we put my stepmom on Firefox and all of a sudden she quit getting spyware.

I wish we had a study showing how many microsoft programmers use Firefox.

Preaching To The Choir (2, Funny)

nwbvt (768631) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051461)

The choir says "Halleluia"!
The congregation says Firewhat?

Seriously, does anyone who reads slashdot these days really need someone to point out the advantages of mozilla/firefox/opera/safari/whatever? Is this really news?

Firefox baby! (3, Interesting)

H0bb3z (17803) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051468)

Not only is it designed to be a great browser, it has extensive plug-in support so you can make browsing what you want it to be, not what some Redmond-based empire tells you it should be... ;)
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Also is this (1)

Professor Cool Linux (759581) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051475)

http://stopie.com/ its similar but cool

http://browsehappy.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0 4/ 08/23/2328212

What are you talking about? My IE is working great (5, Funny)

very (241808) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051477)

I use IE all the time

This one time, I got an email from Citibank I need to veerify my account information!
All I have to do is to click the link with bunch of characters in it, then it loads the seemingly legitimate Citibank website. Then I enterd my account name and password, plus all the other informations. There I veerify my Citibank account using IE.

Meanwhile, Mozilla browser and Mozilla Firefox can't even load the page.

Now, which browser is broken?
Definitely not IE.

By the way, for some strange reason, my Citibank password is no longer working shortly after that.







(sarcasm mode turned off)

IE Momentum (5, Insightful)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051496)

Look, folks, I've played the messenger part. I've done my part in telling others to try Mozilla. Done my evangelism with the pop-up blocking and the tabbed browsing. I've preached the security of not using IE and all its ugly security issues. I've even pointed to articles from official-ish proclamations asking people to use alternate browsers.

I've managed to switch a few people to Firefox, and that's good. However, there's the frustration of knowing there will be people out there who will not switch, not even know what a "Browser" is, and will definitely not be going to a web site, downloading an executable, and running it to install Firefox. Too intimidating, they'd say. Now what?

We've given them sufficient reason, and enough encouragement. There will be a LOT of people out there who will not bother installing a browser that didn't come with their machine. Though they'll happily install a Bonzi Buddy or Comet Cursor. How do we handle that great majority?

I love the Firefox, don't get me wrong. I'd love to see more people using it instead of IE. However, like any good soldier that's been out in the battlefield long enough, a morale boost would be nice on occasion...or at least more words of wisdom.

I switched, and could not be happier... (5, Interesting)

monkeyfarm (197818) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051504)

I am not a windows bigot, nor am I a fanboy. I use Windows XP and related windows software because it just works, and I'd rather actually use the PC than constantly fight it. I've used Unix in the past (Irix actually) and LOVED it, however I've basically given up or more accurately abandoned the desire to use Linux because XP does pretty everything I need, and the software availability and stability meet or exceed what I need (graphic design, web development, 3D modeling and animation, games). Yes, I know there are "issues", but because I "know what I'm doing" and I'm protected by a firewalled router, as well as ZoneAlarm, SpyBot & TeaTimer, etc. I once again , just don't see the reason to learn a new OS. If I had a free week or two I might try Mandrake or something again. The above spout was just to give background that I'm not an OS freak, nor a complete luser. That said, I've always disliked IE as an application in it's own right (performance, memory utilization, UI, etc.), however after a few iterations of NS being complete crap (rendering , performance, etc.) I resigned to use IE. tried Opera, not really impressed, switched back to IE. Recently installed FireFox and I will NEVER use IE again unless the page requires the active X crap. I love everything about Firefox, and as more extensions become available, I love that I can make it work EXACTLY how I want it to work. My only complaint is that I wish it was lighter weight in terms of system requirements, as I'd love to be able to run it on some REALLY old PC's that are essentially worthless for anything but dumb terminal applications (one example is y Fujitsu Point510 tablet). Anyway, that's my story. I would love to see an extension that spellchecked text boxes in online forms though...

/.'ed (0, Redundant)

templest (705025) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051513)

They might support a more powerful browser, but if they plan to get anywhere, they should look into more powerful servers as well.

bad for marketing (3, Interesting)

mcguyver (589810) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051550)

This is comforting but not a perfect solution. I primarily used IE because most of my customers use IE and I want their same user experience. I tell developers to use IE for the same reason. Fortunately most online consumers not use lynx.

Yeah...... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10051557)

IE unsafe?

Well thank you, captian obvious!

OT: Switch Video (0, Offtopic)

Embedded Geek (532893) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051559)

Reminds me of a video for another switch campaign [pixelred.com] . Although, I guess the video would be more appropriate if you were switching to IE...

I tried to... I really did! (5, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 10 years ago | (#10051570)

I know I'm going to be called a lamer and flamed out the ass, but screw it - it has to be said. I was going to move most of our lab computers to Moz this year but ran into issues with profiles. {sigh}

What is it with OSS software? They want to get noticed on the Windows platform, but the very people they need to have accept it (mainly corporations) can't/won't use it because of the hassles involved with profiles and/or user permissions.

Sometimes it's just minor problems - like Moz' inability to have things set up for multiple users on a box, but then there's OpenOffice.org. Not only is it a NIGHTMARE to install in a lab environment (although through reghacks, I got it to work well enough), but it also has problems with Terminal Server.

Now that said, there is progress being made. OOo 2.0 beta lets you install for multiple users and there have been discussions on Mozdev about my very issue with Mozilla.

I understand that 99% of the people who develop for these projects don't know/care about how a Windows shop operates, but if they want their programs to be used on this platform in larger environments, they'll have to start learning how to make them more friendly.

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