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Windows Laptops Ship With Linux Media Player

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the foot-in-the-door dept.

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hqm writes "Maybe this is the real way Windows will be made irrelevant, not by a Linux desktop, but by Linux embedded software. LinuxDevices has an article stating 'NEC is the latest vendor to announce a laptop with a built-in embedded Linux based media player option. The NEC Versa S3000 will use InterVideo's InstantOn technology to enable users to listen to music, watch DVDs, and more without having to wait for Windows to load. Another major laptop vendor, Toshiba, in July launched its Qosmio laptop, which also includes a Linux-based media player environment. NEC will market the S3000 in Hong Kong and China. The laptop also includes InterVideo's popular WinDVD DVD playing software, which is also available for Linux.'"

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060430)

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Fluff. (-1)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060435)

Unless Windows Media Player is *not* included as the default player, i don't think this bundling will actually help much.

Re:Fluff. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060462)

Damn, there's slashdot unfairly picking on Windows. If it wasn't so damn good, everyone wouldn't be using it! It's the Chevy 350 of the masses.

Re:Fluff. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060469)

Please mod me down... i misread the article description and what I wrote is irrelevant.

Re:Fluff. (3, Informative)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060572)

``Unless Windows Media Player is *not* included as the default player, i don't think this bundling will actually help much.''

Which is exactly what is happening in Europe.

Re:Fluff. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060720)

Did you read the fucking article? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? The answer is No. A very obvious no.

Re:Fluff. (3, Informative)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060732)

Windows Media Player does not include a DVD player; it can play DVDs, but you need to install a codec. WinDVD installs the codec for it to use.

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Re:Fluff. (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060856)

Did you even read the summary or just the deceptive title?

Shift? (5, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060439)

The NEC Versa S3000 will use InterVideo's InstantOn technology to enable users to listen to music, watch DVDs, and more without having to wait for Windows to load.

Could this signal the end of traditional operating systems? My thoughts on the subject are that eventually programs will come with their own OSes and load from a kind of GUI BIOS. And why wouldn't they? Put all the conflicts on hold for a second and think about it. If programmers could select the OS that works best with their application, they would stand to profit. Subsystem patches could batch patch each application's common files intuitively, without the need of expensive Microsoft licenses. Sure right now, we're looking at all the space that would likley be required to do this, but if you gut Windows, for example, and only use the required systems, that would be a savings of about 99% of what 99% of us use regularly. Turn that power over to the applications designers and you get better (open source) components, custom built to suit each program. Yes I do see a small problem with this, in that you have to worry about identifying the end users' system specs to make sure the programs will function properly, but with the rise of web based updating systems, it would be possible to select only the necessary components to wrap with the software, reducing the overall waste on each system and making for a much more stable environment than traditional OSes.

Re:Shift? (-1, Flamebait)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060521)

What are you. A fag?

Re:Shift? (3, Interesting)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060536)

Well. I don't think most application vendors are interested in becoming OS vendors as well.

Besides, don't we reboot Windows enough as it is today?

/greger

Re:Shift? (1, Interesting)

The Other White Boy (626206) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060555)

uhm..how bout multitasking?

Re:Shift? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060852)

Haha I've always said multi-tasking was Overrated! x_X

Re:Shift? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060561)

Because Microsoft will never allow that to happen. They make entirely too much money on licenses for usage of their OS.

They are already getting into bed with Phoenix to have a DRM BIOS to disable any third party software from running without their direct authorization.

Re:Shift? (5, Insightful)

Wudbaer (48473) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060573)

You mean as in DOS games or other DOS programs that brought their own DOS extenders, sound drivers, gfx drivers etc. ? Like in game consoles ? Like in programs for the good old home computers like the C-64, Apple II and the like that often brought their own OS-like routines delivering functionality the machine either did not have or (most cases) to do some kind of copy protection ? Everyone re-inventing the wheel every time in a incompatible way with a different look-and-feel ?

Sounds like a great idea. NOT.

Decentralizing (4, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060662)

Sounds like a great idea. NOT.
Sure, *your* idea sounds bad. But your idea lacks vision. I'm talking about decentralizing the classic OS, and decentralizing Microsoft's monopoly. Linus has been doing it for years, but by more or less following the classic design of an OS. I'm suggesting a shift into a more dynamic model. What's wrong with that?

Re:Shift? (3, Interesting)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060676)

Actually, it does sound like a great idea. On my Atari ST, if I booted up into Leander, I had all system resources dedicated to the game with absolutely no waste. It was efficient and ran extremely well. Sure, it makes life harder for the programmers, but then again that's our job. The end user should get rock solid stability and a totally pure experience without bloat when they are working. For example, an OS that provided basic user functionailty like Web, Mail, Office Suite and nothing else would likely be rock-solid stable and very fast compared to Windows XP, Mac OS or Linux. I'll bet if it was done right, the system would boot to a fully usable state in 5-10 seconds.

Re:Shift? (1)

Wizzy Wig (618399) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060591)

"...but if you gut Windows, for example..."


You may have hit on a use for the new Win XP Lite crippleware version beng foisted off on the Third World.

Re:Shift? (5, Insightful)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060771)

One of the primary advantages of an OS (besides the GUI fluff) is that you have a unified centralized driver store. I'm not just talking about graphics cards and sound cards and ACPI, either, though that is certainly important.

I'm talking about data access layers, common control libraries, runtime environments, and the like.

Right now if there's a bug or vulnerability in my data access layer, Microsoft can update one file on each machine to fix that vulnerability in every application. In the system you describe, each one would have to be patched seperately. If you forget to patch one, it either continues to use the bad stuff, or just stops working.

This applies to Linux too... that's the point of dynamically linked libraries.

Re:Shift? (1)

BrokenStructure (793578) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060898)

Wouldn't the GUI BIOS just be another type of OS? This just sounds like another pitch for opensource, riddled with all the same pros and cons as every other opensource comment to me. I do see what you're saying about the difference in structure, but there will always be a need for some common ground to start from before loading the application in mind... even if that starting point is DOS, it's still going to be some sort of OS.

Sounds interesting... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060442)

I wonder ...If a Linux media player like system is released GPL, as is linux liscense, do the codecs also become GPL.

J/k FIRST POST

Re:Sounds interesting... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060619)

If OpenOffice Writer opens .doc files do .doc files become GPL?

KFG

Re:Sounds interesting... (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060654)

Yeah, shame I ran XviD in WMP, though...

Re:Sounds interesting... (1)

RdsArts (667685) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060753)

No, but the code to decode it (ie. the .doc format's codec) does.

Re:Sounds interesting... (0, Redundant)

flosofl (626809) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060653)

Nope.

Dual boot-like! (4, Interesting)

justkarl (775856) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060451)

Great idea! Think of all the RAM you'd save...If only more hi-mem apps would do this, rather than run in RAM-hungry Windows.

Re:Dual boot-like! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060615)

Sure, with all that RAM freed up you could also run...sorry, what was your point?

Re:Dual boot-like! (5, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060717)

Do you, or any of the other slashbots get it?

This is what the device does when you turn it on:

- Checks for disc in drive
- If disc is present, and is a DVD or CD Audio Disc, the device boots the "media player" burned into roms on the board
- If not, it boots normally.

This is really dual-booting, except one of the OS's lives in firmware.

In other words, it doesn't "save RAM" when running windows, it doesn't have to do with Windows Update. It doesn't have anything to do with windows at all.

It's as if you booted from a floppy that had a linux-based media player on it.

Oh boy... (0, Flamebait)

SillyRabbit999 (803794) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060460)

Yay, won't this be fun. I can see the headline on Slashdot now: "Linux Media Player Confuses Windows Update". Buh-Bye easy automatic updates... -rabbit

Gimme the juice! (4, Interesting)

ElForesto (763160) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060472)

I look forward to this in more laptops so I can squeeze more movie time out of my battery. Letting the OS drain a lot of power reduces me to 1.5 hours on a single charge.

ok, but then what? (5, Insightful)

chachob (746500) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060475)

the user will eventually turn the machine on, and then what? does this technology work after the machine has already booted into windows? people generally dont buy a computer to only listen to music or watch DVDs...And furthermore, this isnt really making windows obsolete, its just adding functionality to the system.

Re:ok, but then what? (4, Interesting)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060546)

How many people have got 'media' PCs to play DVDs on? This kind of technology will do well at the AOL end of the market - insert DVD, switch on machine, watch DVD. No boot time - it's just there, just like every other gadget joe sixpack has in his house.

The fact that it's Linux probably won't change anything.. they could have used any embedded OS.

However, if they start building in hooks for games to use it could get interesting.... with a few million of these out there what game manufacturer wouldn't want to have an 'instant on' game with no installation/windows issues?

Re:ok, but then what? (2, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060803)

However, if they start building in hooks for games to use it could get interesting.... with a few million of these out there what game manufacturer wouldn't want to have an 'instant on' game with no installation/windows issues?
You mean, like a playstation, or gamecube, or xBox or gameboy, or dreamcast, or saturn, or genesis, or SNES, or TurboGrafx 16, or NES, or master system?
Rumor out on the street is that game manufacturers may be into these.....

Re:ok, but then what? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060667)

I think it's something like a BIOS, where you turn the computer on, press some key, and it goes into a dedicated media player that's kept in memory. If they want to use the computer I'm sure they can exit the media player and the computer goes on booting like normal. I think it's great, you can boot into the media player taking up as little battery power as possible and watch movies.

Instant-on (1)

polecat_redux (779887) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060824)

I'm surprised that in most cases it still takes a considerable amount of time to load an OS. What about the following:

Let's say that after installing the OS and configuring all of the devices, you have an option to create a file on your hard drive that is a map of everything in memory (a la Hibernate, but minus any running apps - essentially a fresh boot of the OS). Add the option to boot from the image to your bootloader, and after a quick poll for changes in hardware, you're in business. Even better would be if the image was stored on its own partition so that it would be less prone to fragmentation.

Wooohooo! (4, Insightful)

BenjiPenguin (767955) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060476)

Bye bye Windows XP Media Center Edition!!! Honestly, are people going to wait for all that crap to load or get something much sooner, with Linux? Providing a good interface, this could very well be a big problem for Microsoft (not that Linux isn't already...)

Re:Wooohooo! (2, Informative)

Ziak (807893) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060556)

I doubt it i tried installing linux on some of my friend's computer because all they do is surf the Internet and talk on IM clienets they still wanted there windows back because they didn't like the look of linux ( i have no idea what that means ) But once someone gets used to something regardless if its beter they'll throw a fit if you change it on them.......

Re:Wooohooo! (1)

BenjiPenguin (767955) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060671)

"I doubt it i tried installing linux on some of my friend's computer because all they do is surf the Internet and talk on IM clienets they still wanted there windows back because they didn't like the look of linux ( i have no idea what that means ) But once someone gets used to something regardless if its beter they'll throw a fit if you change it on them......." Yea, but I'm not talking about Windows in general here (and besides, there isn't one specific "look" to Linux, it depends on the distribution and how it's installed/configured).. I'm talking about an embedded Linux media center, such as what these laptop vendors are doing, if I'm not mistaken.. I don't know how WinXP Media Center Edition is doing, but if there were to be an embedded Linux media center...

Re:Wooohooo! (0, Troll)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060869)

Tell your friends to go fuck off.

You're helping them, for free, taking time out of your busy schedule to install and configure a state-of-the-art operating system and the ungrateful bastards just snub you and say they want the other one because "it looks better."

I say: don't provide support for them, and let them watch their windows machine become a pile of crap with ads and viruses.
Then there will be a week when they can't use their computer at all for whatever reason, they will come begging, BEGGING, for you to install Linux.

On the other hand, don't offer to install linux for free. Do it for a hunders dollars. You'll be able to after the week of no web/im. They will come to respect it.

Re:Wooohooo! (3, Insightful)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060610)

Um, have you ever heard of OS/2?

OS/2 Warp came out over a year before windows 95, and it did everything MS promised win95 would do plus a lot more. People still waited the extra year, win95 failed on most of its promises; OS/2 was far superior, and yet people still bought win95.

OS/2 warp could also run windows applications, and since OS/2 was far more stable and one app couldn't bring down the whole system, it was a long-standing joke that OS/2 was a far better windows than windows...Oh, OS/2 was also cheaper.

I was using the windows version of borland C++ on both systems quite a bit back them. I caused windows to completely crash a lot. The same errors on OS/2 wouldn't even close the C++ compiler, it would pop up a message that my app did something wrong and would be closed. I would click OK and I was right back to the compiler screen.

This will not be any problem for Microsoft.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:Wooohooo! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060875)

Your whole point is moot, though, since OS/2 sucks fat donkey dicks.

Re:Wooohooo! (1)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060891)

OS/2 was also the OS choice of Photoshop professionals who had to work on i386 hardware. OS/2 actually made good use of large memory configurations, and had a GOOD virtual memory system, so running PS (2.5 I think?) with the Win32s extensions on OS/2 was far faster on the same hardware than running it on Wfwg/w32s or Win95.

Re:Wooohooo! (1)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060794)

MCE does more than just watch content. It also records content. I'm sure that'll be in this eventually, but for the time being MCE is more fully featured. It's not a souped up Media Player; it's a souped up tivo...

Which Media Player? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060487)

Not wanting to start an Mplayer Xine war, I'm guessing it's Mplayer. I wonder how smalll you could get a full bootable Mplayer distro, 10M?

Re:Which Media Player? (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060697)

I'm not 100% sure on the size, however, I use MPlayer and the frame buffer to watch DVDs on my laptop in combination with init 1, powersaved, hdparm -Y, and ALSA ... all via a script of course. The image doesn't cover the entire screen but I can watch a 2 1/2 hour DVD with juice to spare when it's done.

Re:Which Media Player? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060835)

If the image isn't covering the whole screen, and your framebuffer is (for example) 800x600, add these lines to ~/.mplayer/config

vop=scale
zoom=yes
xy=800

Good idea (3, Interesting)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060490)

Cross-platform software is a great idea in my opinion. The release of iTunes for Windows, I must speculate, has surely won the hearts of many MS fans. Even the smallest sway can help - getting a small amount of added respect for Linux and its software will lead some to try dual-booting or even a total reformat.

This can only help...unless of course the software sucks hardcore. Has anyone used it?

Re:Good idea (1)

dgagley (468178) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060687)

The Intervideo software came with my video card and it works well. There were no problems when I changed versions of os - to XP. I use Quicktime for much of my MP3 ect. and I use my Ipod to transfer music and other data from and my Home PC (Windows XP) and work OS9, OSX. So Win Media Player is there but I rarely us it unless I HAVE to. This will not, however, change the average persons mind. I know many who just want something that is easy to install and easy to use (which is basiclly impossible.) Mabey we need to put Linux on a chip that can be easly swapped out with a new version something like a memory card with a reader in one of the drive ports for the masses. Yes you would have to use a stable base. They could download the extras. Only when they do not need to call their Geeky reletives or friends to help then they will change.

google is fucked, linux sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060492)

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This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (5, Interesting)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060493)

What a waste of money to have to buy all that extra crap when the notebook is easily able to do it in software. It's an even bigger waste in a notebook where space for internal peripherals is at a huge premium.

All that so you can watch DVDs or listen to MP3s without waiting to boot? My Powerbook has a 74 day uptime now; I just put it in sleep mode and take it with. It takes it about 1 second to wake up and then it's ready to play movies or music.

Even if a windows machine can't do that, You're still a lot better off buying a standalone portable mp3 player than having to pay to include it in your notebook. You can take an mp3 player a lot of places you can't take a notebook.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (3, Insightful)

justkarl (775856) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060563)

What a waste of money to have to buy all that extra crap when the notebook is easily able to do it in software. It's an even bigger waste in a notebook where space for internal peripherals is at a huge premium.

What are you talking about? This is software, blockhead. It's just committing resources at startup to another os(Linux)so less resources can be used to play media. It's not hardware at all. Except that it's on a laptop.

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060754)

Hey blockhead, why don't you RTFA before you post? Where do you think this linux OS is stored? That's right, in firmware. You need the bios to be customized to support the feature (instantOn is its own BIOS) and you need memory (flash?) to store it. It will raise the price at least as much as a cheap portable player.

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060605)

Have you seen the number of portable MP3 players and portable DVD players in use on planes, in cars, and whereever?

I have. It's astonishing. I just had a friend fly in from Cleveland. He could not believe that a good number of those around him (including himself) had a DVD player going. Even more had iPods (and their variants).

Personally I take enough shit around with me when I fly (GPS, Camera, books, music, phone/PDA, and media) do I really want to carry around a DVD player too? What happens if I already carried a laptop? Wouldn't I want that to be able to do MP3s and DVDs without having to waste the time booting after leveling out at 10,000 feet for the 35 minutes before descent?

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (1)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060700)

I agree with you. One of the reasons I bought my notebook in the first place was as portable DVD player. I really don't understand why people those stand-alone units that are half the price of a notebook.

My point is that it's stupid to add another whole OS, especially an embedded OS to avoid waiting for the system to boot. Doesn't windows have a decent sleep mode? Isn't putting the machine to sleep a better solution than adding another whole OS?

You still have to wait for the machine to boot to do anything else, so a quickboot DVD player and mp3 player seems pretty useless (and about 50% of what I do with my notebook is run the DVD player, so my opinion is hardly biased by having no use for the feature).

I think the only reason you're arguing with me is because I made the heretical implication that linux is not the ultimate solution to every possible problem.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060790)

My point is that it's stupid to add another whole OS, especially an embedded OS to avoid waiting for the system to boot. Doesn't windows have a decent sleep mode? Isn't putting the machine to sleep a better solution than adding another whole OS?

What does it take? A single board, perhaps even a single chip, to run a DVD player/MP3 player? Most of the portables are large because of the screen/drive size. I think the embedded part would be a non-issue.

You still have to wait for the machine to boot to do anything else, so a quickboot DVD player and mp3 player seems pretty useless (and about 50% of what I do with my notebook is run the DVD player, so my opinion is hardly biased by having no use for the feature).

What the fuck are you talking about? I think that the rest of us are talking about using the laptop to play DVDs/MP3s without booting the OS. I wasn't aware that we were talking about booting the machine to do anything else. Just because YOU don't use the machine to play DVDs all that much doesn't mean that other people don't see the cost benefits that you mention above (laptop price compared to portable DVD price).

I think the only reason you're arguing with me is because I made the heretical implication that linux is not the ultimate solution to every possible problem.

You don't know me very well then. I am basically against Linux in everything except the server market. This has little or nothing to do w/Linux anyway. I don't care what the hell the computer uses to load a DVD w/an OS as long as it does and it does well.

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (1)

Kiryat Malachi (177258) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060810)

Power usage.

A hardwired DVD player is going to consume less CPU time than a DVD player on full OS. If it gets 10% more time out of the battery, it might be a wash, but if it gets 25% time that's a pretty decent feature for a couple extra bucks (extra firmware chip, pay for the license, probably $5 max extra cost).

(And no, Windows really doesn't have a very good sleep mode - standby is fine, but the true low-power sleeps are not exactly stable, I've more than a few times had my Windows machine fail to come back up. No such problems on my Powerbook.)

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060877)

Hibernate works fine on most modern laptop hardware. It screws up on desktops, generally because of driver or hardware incompatibilities.

My laptop hibernates when I shut the lid. It pops right back up when I open it. I watch DVDs, etc. It's all good. It works like the OP says it should.

My laptop, however, is too big to get out and sit on one of those fold-down trays in an airplane. It'd be cool to be able to just reach into the back, plug in headphones, and have it work like an iPod (no mouse/keyboard/screen) needed. No power is being wasted on the display, because the lids shut and it's not in use.

If it came with a remote, I could plug it into the TV in a hotel, and use it like a standalone, without having to get out of bed to FF/RW.

All of this could be done with software, though.

Re:This thing has separate hardware for DVD/MP3s? (4, Insightful)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060851)

First off, it's just a chip. Probably a small one. Maybe a daughterboard. It's not a ton of hardware in any case.

My windows machine wakes up from hibernate in 30 seconds. Sleep in 10. That's not counting time to take it out of lock and load the app.

The key here isn't that this is just another way to watch DVDs. It's a way to turn a complicated and error prone computing device into an appliance, with the stability that entails.

Also, I'm sure that booting into this mode saves battery life on processing power and boot up time. All of a sudden the battery can last longer than the DVD! (certainly not the case with my Thinkpad T30)

And finally, sure I could buy a portable mp3 player... and a portable DVD player... but they don't make portable DVD players with 14 inch screens. A low end 7 inch screen you can get for $200. I think the high quality 10 inch screens will run you upwards of $600. And as for the mp3 player... to get as much music on that as you can carry on a laptop, you'll have to shell out $200+ for a hard drive based player.

And when I'm travelling on business... that's three devices to carry instead of one. That makes a huge difference, especially if flying (three devices means extra luggage means extra inconvenience)

which player? (2, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060494)

Is it M player? http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ [mplayerhq.hu]

I use it on my main windows box and it's hassle free, plays 99% of files and I wouldn't change it for the world :)

Re:which player? (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060660)

If it is, for added entertainment they should redirect all their tech support questions to the ever helpful MPlayer developers.

Actually, it would be even more fun if they did that and they're not using MPlayer...

Re:which player? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060707)

is there a good gnome frontend for it ala Totem.

I hate the default GUI (no DnD, constant resizing etc)

The all too common (0, Flamebait)

xYoni69x (652510) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060507)

wishful thinking by Linux zealots.

Maybe this is the real way Windows will be made irrelevant...

Or maybe it won't. You'll get over it.
(I am not against OSS nor Linux. In fact, I quite like them both. But come on, be realistic!)

Re:The all too common (3, Interesting)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060796)

Good point. As much as I like linux and use it daily, Microsoft is a huge multibillion corporation. I don't see how linux is going to knock it off it's mountain any time soon. At most, it's marketshare will increase to that of Apple. That would still be a huge accomplishment, but it's unrealistic to hope it's going to topple microsoft. And even if it did, Microsoft could just focus all of it's efforts on Office to compete with open office and still make money. I've read that Office is microsoft's bread and butter anyway so it wouldn't make much of a difference.

If some day the operating system becomes completely transparent and people can run any software on any machine, then the money will be made in the applications.

Linux still needs it's desktop standards "enforced" better I think. The handful of distros are still competing against each other too much. RPMs should be killed. We need standards like connecting a printer will automatically set it up. Sharing over home networks works out of the box. When you plug a USB drive in, it's contents pops up on the screen. Same thing with digital cameras and mp3 players. Mass broadband adoption helps things because manufacturers can centralize their driver databases, or even just the distros can do this.

The devil is in the details and linux still requires too much knowledge that geeks take for granted. I like how KDE is starting to take over on some of this and in a sense making operations standard across distros, but this needs to happen more often.

It's been my experience that distros differ little for the end user. Window managers differ in their features between basic WMs to desktop environments like KDE and GNOME.

Flame and bitch me out all you want and call me stupid for thinking operating linux requires knowledge and experience, but I bet someone can setup and share a printer and a directory faster on windows than linux if they had no background experience to begin with. We don't need to dumb everything down to a wizard, but making initial configuration easier is where standards have to be initiated.

Oh, and before anyone thinks they should list a dozen apps that will do what I said above, if they're not turned on by default or at least given the obvious option when I install linux, then they're too difficult for the average user. And I'm sure I've either heard or currently use any package you want to inform me about, but that meant I already had to search them out, something most people aren't going to do.

Waiting for Windows to load? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060508)

It takes about 10 seconds (or less) for my laptop to come out of standby or hibernation. I don't really see the usefulness of this type of feature.

Re:Waiting for Windows to load? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060589)

If I installed an Accusump in my car it could double the life of my very expensive car engine, but I want to start it now, not in 10 seconds, you insensitive clod.

KFG

Your system isn't normal yet. (2)

r00t (33219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060862)

Windows is supposed to take ages to load.
I suggest using IE to visit some porn sites.
Click OK on all the dialog boxes you see.
Be sure to install Kazaa and lots of free
screensavers.

Soon you'll have a normal Windows install,
and you'll see why putting Linux in ROM for
playing DVDs is a very good idea.

mmm mmm good (1)

5m477m4n (787430) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060512)

Toshiba, in July launched its Qosmio laptop

mmmm mmm mm mm good? [quiznos.com]

No. (2, Informative)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060520)

``"Maybe this is the real way Windows will be made irrelevant, not by a Linux desktop, but by Linux embedded software. LinuxDevices has an article stating 'NEC is the latest vendor to announce a laptop with a built-in embedded Linux based media player option. The NEC Versa S3000 will use InterVideo's InstantOn technology to enable users to listen to music, watch DVDs, and more without having to wait for Windows to load.'''

I think this will merely prompt MS to "innovate" and provide a similar technology. It's good to see that FOSS is ahead of them in this area.

"innovate" (2, Insightful)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060746)

I wonder how XP embeded would compete.

MS is always behind in technology and will continue to follow. They bang their drum louder to draw attention to themselves and "WOW", the public buys their rhetoric hook, line, and sinker.

Whatever Long(wait)horn is, it will be behind graphically what Apple's Tiger will be and whatever Sun is doing on the desktop.

Re:"innovate" (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060841)

``MS is always behind in technology and will continue to follow.''

Yet they make the leading word processor, spread sheet, developer environment, desktop operating system, and media player, the open source world is trying hard to clone them, and ease of use is measured with respect to the standard they set.

Re:No. (1)

md65536 (670240) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060868)

I think Microsoft must be looking at Linux wondering when they can take it and make it their own. I won't say that they've probably stolen code already or at least looked at it for ways they can "innovate" on their own. But I think one day Microsoft will suddenly stop trying to convince people that Linux ruins everybody's life in every way possible, and will start convincing everyone that Microsoft software is great because it has the power of Linux behind it. They will embrace it and release their modifications under the GPL, because it can be used to make their software better and to sell billions of dollars worth of it.

Now... to get slightly back on topic... this may never happen because so far admitting that Linux is good is bad for MS marketting. But if it does happen, it will happen when average dum people accept the idea that Linux makes Windows systems better. This might be the start of that. Perhaps Linux won't make Windows irrelevant. Perhaps it will save it from stagnancy. Whatever MS can do to make its software seem the best choice, even if it means eventually riding on the rising general opinion of Linux, they will consider.

This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevant (4, Insightful)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060523)

>Maybe this is the real way Windows will be made irrelevant

Phew! "Irrelevant"!

And straight to the point - it's not about a nice (cost-effective, elegant, etc.) way to meet user requirement, it's about the demise of Windows, right in the first sentence.

Give me a break and learn to write articles without trolling!

The only thing that will be made irrelevant is Slashdot.org, thanks to highly insightful articles like this.

Re:This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevan (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060593)

Man, did some bully take your Windows 95 disks away when you were a kid?

Take a look at the /. sections in the lefthand column. Do you see a Windows section? Frickin' BSD has a section. If you don't like the attitude, go hang out on MSN groups or something.

Re:This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060723)

I see up top it says

Slashdot News for nerds. Stuff that matters.

Not

News for anti-MS shills without a clue of whats going on in the IT industry.

Re:This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevan (2, Insightful)

avandesande (143899) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060736)

In this aspect I disagree... Microsoft has turned windows media player into the worst piece of crap I have ever used and deserves a black eye.

Re:This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevan (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060843)

There aren't too many other players that can adjust brightness and contrast. Resize and adjust a number of other features. The problem with the player is the media support. Can't play quicktime files etc.

If someone can name a real strong windows media player alternative PLEASE SPEAK!!

Re:This is the way Slashdot will be made irrelevan (1)

zymurgyboy (532799) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060827)

Spot on, my friend. I was thinking the same but for some reason couldn't bring myself to say it.

I guess I just don't want it to prove true.

How many posts do you predict before the "but does it support OGG, no?, then I'm not buyin'" crew to show up? Damn, too late already (I predict).

go all the way (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060550)

just sell Linux powered laptops, forget windows completely, and the sooner the better

Others use this? (2, Interesting)

Jerph (550853) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060553)

Averatec's 6200 series [averatec.com] has a similar instant dvd/mp3 function. If this is the same chip, it seems to be cheap and in pretty widespread use - this company has a relatively small US sales base and is offering the system for $1250.

Embedded, as in BIOS (1)

macz (797860) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060560)

This will let you have a low power, low overhead MP3/DVD player, post BIOS, pre Boot. I will bet you money you can't use it when Windows is in charge.

will history repeat itself.......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060565)

Maybe Microsoft can once again threaten companies like NEC and Toshiba like they did in the past when BeOS was going to be sold as an option on dualboot laptops.
I DON'T THINK SO!
(the justice dept. just might be paying attention this time round)

Legal DVD on Linux? (3, Interesting)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060574)

So does this imply that that there is finally a legal way to play a DVD on Linux? Granted it's not open source, but isn't something better than nothing?

Re:Legal DVD on Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060664)

I've been playing DVDs legally under Linux for years.

Then again, I don't live in the United States of Corruption.

Re:Legal DVD on Linux? (1)

IoN_PuLse (788965) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060727)

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/10/144 7201&tid=165&tid=97 There is a linux version of PowerDVD. It's been reported on Slashdot too...

Re:Legal DVD on Linux? (3, Interesting)

merlin_jim (302773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060878)

InterVideo has for a while now offered licensed DVD player software for Linux.

It's just not free, which is why you've never heard of it.

I don't know why everything on Linux has to be free and open source. Whether you like it or not, it's proprietary technology. They have a right to keep it closed. They have a right to charge you whatever they want for it.

WinDVD (1, Redundant)

ksc (651788) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060580)

Why can't someone please release a commercial DVD player for Linux? I'm sick & Tired of messing with libraries & compiles & more missing libraries just wo watch a damn movie on one of my fav OS'es...

Re:WinDVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060735)

Have you tried these RPMs? http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ [puc-rio.br]

These RPMs worked for me hassle-free. And it is better than a commercial version in one respect. When you click next chapter or fast forward, it does it! Commercial DVD players have to honor the block forwarding encoded in the DVD.

Well... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060641)

Linux sux! Linux is never going to be mainstream. People know a good thing when they see it and that thing is Windows.

Power Consumption (3, Insightful)

Morgahastu (522162) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060650)

Since the OS booted to play DVDs and MP3s should be very light weight and minimal, will power consumption be noticably lower in this mode compared to watching DVDs in windows? I believe the media is decoded with hardware too, further optimizing the power usage. This would be great for watching movies on a plane, with wi-fi off of course!

Re:Power Consumption (1)

srwalter (39999) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060780)

There really shouldn't be a big difference in power consumption. If you're watching a DVD, the majority of the CPU time (and therefore power) is being used by the DVD player software, not the OS. In fact, it's conceivable that power consumption would be /worse/ if Linux weren't configured to take advantage of ACPI power management (frequency scaling, CPU idling, that sort of goodness).

Re:Power Consumption (2, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060789)

That's the idea. The CPU barely does anything, and can be throttled back.

How well it works in RL, we'll see.

There's more to power usage than just the CPU. Consider watching a DVD - you've got the dvd-rom spinning and its motors grinding away reading the disc, that sucks power (a device I normally don't use on a laptop).

Chances are, if you're on a plane, you've got the backlight jacked all the way up, and the volume on full through the headphone jack.

And all that dedicated hardware still sucks 'it down, especially if it's doing fancy post-processing jibber jabber. Bob and weave and all that.

It'll surely be more convenient to watch a movie or listen to a CD, since it would function like a standalone unit. As for the power savings, someone else can beta test that while I wait for the results.

this sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060670)

posting from AWEB.1

How will this make Windows irrelevant, exactly? (2, Insightful)

zymurgyboy (532799) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060686)

This is a really good idea for certain functions that require a lot of RAM and processing power that might otherwise adversly affect the Windows XPerience(tm), but how will this make Windows irrelevant? It isn't replacing windows.

At the risk of getting flamed, I'd say if anything, it sounds more like an admission that Windows can't be beat on the desktop. So, avoid the confrontation by "competing" with embedded tech where Windows is know to suck.

Obsolete (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060777)

"Maybe this is the real way Windows will be made irrelevant"

Maybe you are the one irrelevant. Hang on... I think I see a raptor in the front lawn... No, my mistake, it is the power company.

i haven't tried this player but... (2, Interesting)

m2bord (781676) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060830)

as long as it doesn't try to force feed you updates everytime you start it on ala musicmatch, attempt to take over your system, like real, come bundled with the os, like you know who, and just plain works...i'll love it.

now if you really want to have a media player...find one that'll cook french fries and keep beer cold.

so wait.. (0)

almostmanda (774265) | more than 10 years ago | (#10060896)

Does WinDVD in Linux become LinDVD?

Here's an idea: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10060899)

Maybe Linux would fare better if you jerks weren't so focused on slaughtering Microsoft, and instead were concerned about making better software.

what a bunch of assholes.
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