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Enlightenment Lives

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the do-some-E dept.

Enlightenment 339

Anonymous Coward writes "The Enlightenment Project, far from dead, is pleased to announce the DR16.7.1 release of the Enlightenment Window Manager. With tons of fixes, a massive overhaul of the internals, and several new features this release is a must try for those who haven't run E in a long time. The window manager that redefined the way a desktop can look is still going strong."

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cool to see it get fixes (4, Insightful)

quelrods (521005) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061690)

It's cool to see E is still alive. I've been using it as my wm for many years and haven't found anything else that does virtual desktops just the way I enjoy them. Does anyone know if they fixed the mozilla related focus bugs?

Re:cool to see it get fixes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061760)

Sure E is great but do you not feel very tired and thirsty after using it?.
Some times when using E I think my desktop is out to get me.
Don't get me wrong, I really love E!

Re:cool to see it get fixes (3, Interesting)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061816)

I tried it years ago, when it was the new great thing, and was discouraged by the hideously difficult installation.

I've pretty much replaced Linux with MacOS X (and I'm not the only one - I notice another similar reply already), but I would be curious to know if it's any easier to install than the old whole day or more nightmare where it seemed like you needed every library on the planet to get the thing working.

D

Mod Parent Redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061861)

The author himself indicated that this was the case. Thank you, that is all.

Re:cool to see it get fixes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061905)

Sure, back in the day there were like 20 packages to compile. It did suck to install.

But, it's modern day. This is what apt, emerge and the like are for. When it hits debian testing, I'm sure as hell going to give it a try. I don't use E as much as I did previously, because my machine is pretty lightweight, and I need the RAM. When I upgrade, I will no doubt use E again full time, so it's great news.

Re:cool to see it get fixes (2, Interesting)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061921)

It's cool to see E is still alive.

But why is it? All the X-WMs look shabby, slapdash and incomplete compared to MacOSX and even, dare I say it... WinXP.

To be fair, I thing E does better than most... more attuned to my taste than KDE or GNOME. But why must we have hundreds of hours of development hours go into something which is inferior to the two market leaders? Sure there are Lunix/BSD vs Windows/Mac arguments/fests all time time, but no Linux/BSD WM looks or functions as polished as WinXP/MacOSX (note I am walking WM/GUI here, not OS in general).

Divide and conquer...

As long as the X-Windows system is divided with no clear objective (WTF are GNOME up to with those massive icons and lack of flexibility everyone hates, why do KDE have to make it so difficult to make something doable, etc) and no clear purpose it seems inable to get the critical mass behind it to make a decent desktop. Perhaps we need some skill regarding graphical design to be recognized and give this tired uber |337n355 superiority regarding the(se) technical, and none too important to the finished project (what does the user care if it was created in C, C++, Assembly), difference(s) a rest.

I want a straightforward window system which is flexible and adaptable with graphics what don't look slapdash. All Linux/BSD WMs are good for is keeping several CLIs in the same 'desktop'... and for this E is best.

Cool Name... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061692)

I always wanted to run Enlightenment because it has such a cool name, but I never liked it much and couldn't bring myself to do so.

first post :p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061693)

blah blah blah

Glad to see it's still around (5, Interesting)

DLR (18892) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061696)

I always thought Elnlightment was the most innovative WM I'd seen.

Re:Glad to see it's still around (1)

flewp (458359) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061754)

I've only used Fluxbox as a WM, and was impressed by it's performance on a PII-400. How do you think E would fair on the same machine? It's a PII-400, 256mb of ram, Radeon 7000 64mb video card. I started using Fluxbox after KDE and Gnome just became so bloated. I'd dual boot this machine, but the time I spend on this computer is either working (which requires Photoshop, LW, Painter, and a few video editing applications) and playing games, so that's why I keep linux just on the PII machine.

Re:Glad to see it's still around (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061840)

It would work fabulously. This is exactally the kind of machine that E was designed on (it was mentioned in an article I read last week). So, it shouldn't be a problem at all. You could probably get away with taking it down to 128MB of ram if you really wanted to.

Re:Glad to see it's still around (1)

captnitro (160231) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061845)

I used to use E on a P100 with 64MB back in high school.. ..Insert candy raver joke here..

and it ran fine. The colors, as always, were beautiful.

Re:Glad to see it's still around (0, Redundant)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061813)

It may be innovative, but in my opinion it's too ugly to use. I'm sorry if this is trolling or just being a dick, but it's hard to look at. Maybe I'm used to KDE or xfce4, but do people who use it prefer it's default look over the default look of other wm's? Or is that because it's so customizable the default interface is quickly altered to appeal to tastes?

I'm not a big fan of KDE's keramik, but I find this interface too ugly to be usable. Sorry, that's my opinion.

But on the other side, it's good to see small projects like this stay alive. It's good to see how the community can press on even when they're not backed by wealthy investors. So I guess that craps on my complaint. If I don't like it, who gives a shit.

Go Enlightenment!

Re:Glad to see it's still around (2, Informative)

captnitro (160231) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061938)

Enlightenment is heavily, heavily based on themeable items -- not just colors, icons, or window bars, I mean *everything*. There are quite a few crappy themes out there, so you have to find the right ones.

Re:Glad to see it's still around (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061958)

The theming can completly transform E's look. I've noticed alot of people say they're not too keen on the look - alot of people who use it are into dark/gothic themes. I actually wasn't too keen on the original default themes either. But there are literally hundreds of themes available, everything from dark/gothic to abstractly artististic to clean/bright themes.

Chances are if you have a certain preference, then there are others who also have and have made a theme for it.

I think one of E's primary motivations is to design a desktop that's not constrained in any way. Every piece is designed to be as customisable as possible - to leave the end choice about how the desktop should look to the user. Nice philosophy.

Damnit mods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061977)

How is this Interesting/Informative/Insightful? The parent said nothing about *why* it was innovative, *what* they do differently -- it's like modding this comment +1 informative for saying "I tied my shoes this morning". Great! This sucks when I try to read slashdot at +4 and still get garbage like this that tells me absolutely *nothing*!

Anonymous Coward (-1, Offtopic)

RWarrior(fobw) (448405) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061701)

The AC who submitted this story must not have been rasterman. The text is actually comprehensible.

Theme (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061702)

Whatever happened to that sweet cave/rockish style theme? The later ones suck cock.

Re:Theme (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062087)

cocksmoker

What's the latest stable release again? (-1, Troll)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061707)

I dunno, the whole transparent tty thing was pretty exciting like 5-6 years ago, but pretty much every WM has taken that ball and ran with it..

Why would you use E vs KDE (or even GNOME)? Seriously?

Re:What's the latest stable release again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061881)

Well, gnome is more and more going the windows way assuming it knows better then the user.
I finally swich back to Enlightenment on the last big release of gnome (wasn't it 2.6?)
You can set Enlightenment to fit your preferences.

My first window manager (1, Funny)

CDR1313 (151522) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061709)

Enlightenment sure brings back memories. I'll have to try it out sometime if I ever decide to give up my powerbook.

Re:My first window manager (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061929)

Indeed, same here... Enlightenment drew a great many people to Linux.

Re:My first window manager (3, Informative)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061976)

Hey, load up Fink [sourceforge.net] and you can have Enlightenment on your Powerbook. Or any of a bunch of other window managers [sourceforge.net] .

It looks cool but (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061716)

...I prefer to just stick to one thing that works, not waste my time going to the next coolest looking display manager. It needs to be rather revolutionary to get my attention. So why should I try it?

Re:It looks cool but (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061797)

It ALMOST does Amiga Screens right ("Virtual Desktops on PCP" or something like that), let down only by some fundamental limitations of the X Window System (on the Amiga OS 3.0+, every GUI app had a notion of what named "public screen" it was on, Enlightenment fakes it by remembering for the application, which often breaks).

Try it, you might like it (or hate it).

"Rasterman", a very long time ago, was an Amiga hacker.

Re:It looks cool but (1)

StoatBringer (552938) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062098)

That was my first thought when I saw the screenshots - Amiga Power Windows! I know the Amiga isn't quite dead (sort of a shambling zombie at the moment), but the ability to pull entire screens (or different resolutions) up and down at will was one of the things I loved most about it. It would be great to see that properly implemented in a modern UI.

Re:It looks cool but (4, Informative)

iNiTiUM (315622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061995)

I've been using E for a few years now. Its easily the coolest window manager around if you've got some RAM to spare. Its easy to use, extremely customizable, and can be themed to hell and back. The eye candy is a bonus, but the handling of virtual/multiple desktops is amazing and does wonders for productivity (think about the first time you used tabbed browsing).

As for reasons to use it?
Well lets see....

The themes change not only the look, but the functionality and behaviour. (See the Aqua themes)

Window Grouping

Virtual/Multiple Desktops (Yes, there is a difference)

More options than you can shake a /. troll at

Easy to use

I could go on, but I really hate telling people why they should use a product. Since you had the motivation to ask, find some motivation to try it out. Most people that have the patience to tune E to their liking will never go back to anything else. If they do, its usually to a minimalist WM like ratpoison or fluxbox (both ends of the scale I suppose). If you don't think its worth your time to enhance your productivity, then stick with what you know. Otherwise, give it a shot and be prepared to get lost in the immense selection of themes!

Re:It looks cool but (3, Interesting)

quantaman (517394) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062011)

...I prefer to just stick to one thing that works, not waste my time going to the next coolest looking display manager. It needs to be rather revolutionary to get my attention. So why should I try it?

So don't, I'm guessing they won't really miss you anyways and if you don't want to go through the effort (somewhat nontrivial) of trying it out then don't. Then again what do you mean by "works"?

There are a lot of people using windows, most are not going to switch to linux anytime soon because for them windows "works", of course they still have all the trouble with spyware, viruses, no multiple desktops, etc, but they say it "works". Same with IE, they figure it "works" and don't even consider activeX wonkyness or tabbed browsing (don't know what SP2 has done for this). So at what point does your window manager "work"? When it compiles? When it has no bugs? When it has nothing you can point to from your dialy usage and say "that's a bug"? Maybe when annoying UI issues are gone? I figure the only way a program is ever truly done is if it does everything you've ever wanted it to do as simply and efficiently as possible. So if you want to put in the effort to see what you might be missing from your window manager that "works" go ahead and try it out. I can tell you that I'm certainly not going to try it out today (heck probably won't even RTFA) but sometime later when I have some time to spare, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe never, who knows, I might just give it a whirl.

Re:It looks cool but (1)

Eneff (96967) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062127)

There's someone else out there using TWM too?

Cool!
___

(Oh, and E was revolutionary when it came out.)

Screenshots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061718)

Where can I find screenshots of this new release?

This is the release that everyones been waiting for right?

Re:Screenshots? (5, Funny)

Myuu (529245) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061782)

nope, everyone is waiting for e17

Screenshots! (4, Funny)

handy_vandal (606174) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061969)

Where can I find screenshots of this new release?

On the Enlightenment site, under "Screenshots".

-kgj

Re:Screenshots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062054)

Those are screenshots of older releases. None of them have the new default theme.

Re:Screenshots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062089)

On the Enlightenment site, under "Screenshots".

-kgj


I think those are DR16 screenshots.

I remeber... (1, Redundant)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061722)

I remeber back in the old days when everyone used either E or Windowmaker or Afterstep.

Thos were the good old days with OctoberX. :D

Mirror...Kinda (5, Informative)

matz62 (74523) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061726)

DR16.7.1 has been released!. This is the biggest release since DR16 first debuted! In this release dependencies have changed from Imlib/FreeType to Imlib2/FreeType2. The old default themes (which made the distribution almost 18M in size!) have been replaced with "Winter" by rephorm. The distribution has been split into 3 diffrent packages: programs (source), docs (Edox), and themes. A long long list of bugs have been fixed (including some very old nagging ones that weren't easy for kwo to squash). And probly of most interest to the end user: "Theme Transparency". Get the files source and RPMs in the usual place.

If your wondering what happened to DR16.7.0, it was halted last minute by several bugs that were only reproducable by a small number of us but were major bugs none the less. You can see the changes since the initial release here.

Ports for Solaris are avalible now and the DarwinPorts port is ready. Gentoo Portage will be updated shortly.

Re:Mirror...Kinda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061994)

With all of these great advances, it sounds like Linux will be ready for everyday users sometime in the next 50 years. Kudos!

hmm... (4, Funny)

liloconf (560960) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061728)

I heard they were porting Duke Nukem Forever to D17!!

Enlightenment is IRRELEVANT (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061735)

They had their chance to create something usable, in time. Now, it's too late. They are too late.

Enlightenment 0.17 feels more like an experiment more than anything else. Gnome and KDE and even XFce are usable today, E17 is not. People won't be switching that easily to something like E17, especially now that Gnome and KDE are more intergtrated to the system rather than simple window managers with some nifty effects on top.

sourceforge group (5, Interesting)

Coneasfast (690509) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061752)

something interesting i noticed, the group_id on sf is 2, (is this the first sourceforge project ever?!?!)

Re:sourceforge group (0)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061805)

yes. most people know this.

Re:sourceforge group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061870)

"most people know this."

That's a pretty outrageous claim...

Re:sourceforge group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062022)

welcome to slashdot

Re:sourceforge group (2, Interesting)

kundor (757951) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061859)

Must be; group_id 1 is alexandria itself. (and 3 is mesa3d.)

Re:sourceforge group (1)

goofyheadedpunk (807517) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061946)

Perhaps this [sourceforge.net] ? I can't find the id number, but that seems like a nice guess.

Re:sourceforge group (4, Informative)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062065)

If I recall correctly Mandrake (of http://www.mandrake.net fame) worked with rasterman (of http://www.rasterman.com fame) at VALinux (the software area) long ago.. they've all parted ways from VALinux now. But since SF is run by VALinux these guys were some of the first to have access to it and all that. hence the group_id of 2 :-P I believe Rasterman worked for VA... but my brain is a little fuzzy

Wow (0, Flamebait)

iMaple (769378) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061753)

I used enlightment for a couple of years before switching to kde since a year . I have to say that E was a really intuitive and lightweight WM ( I had a really slow computer then .. switched to kde after geting a better machine) . Anyone out there who use E as their primary WM on resonably new machines ??

Re:Wow (1)

shadoi (110976) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061847)

I run it on my Athlon64 3200+ and my P4 laptop. I also use the EFL and all the other E goodies.

Re:Wow (1)

Malek the Damned (694215) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061997)

I run Enlightenment on my p4-2.2 laptop, my athlon 2400+ at home, and my dual athlon 2400+ at work. I lurve it.

That said, I have the KDE kicker bar running down the side, and all my "most used" apps in the actual enlightenment menu. Means I have fast, uncluttered menus, but still have access to everything on the system thru kicker. And I have a taskbar. We likes taskbars.

E15 was the first window manager I used, and although I've tried a lot of others, I just prefer E to this day, and is still perfectly integrated with Gnome/KDE apps. Plus, the Fossils Of The Machines theme kicks ass =)

But for some reason, I hate epplets... *shrug*.

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

reverius (471142) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061871)

I use iceWM as my only "desktop environment" (hahaha) on very new machines (my desktop is an Athlon XP 3000+). There's no reason to add bloat simply because your computer can handle it.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062133)

Oh yeah? So? I use the console on a dual Athlon 64 3200+ with 4 gigs of memory, for just that very reason! Nyahnyah!

If I need to do something "fancy", maybe I'll pop up into usermode to putz around in X11. With no windowmanager, mind you. Just me and my trusty x-term! :D

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061887)

I'm using E16 on a new machine. It has the benefits of being faster than gnome/kde (more lightweight), with the bonus of customising it any way you please.

KDE/Gnome have a tendency to throw things in your way which is great for a new user who doesn't know where anything is, but for someone who does, anything you do in KDE/Gnome can be done in E, without the clutter.

Oh goody. (2, Funny)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061756)

I hope Rasterman has remembered to include plenty of that CPU-crushing eyecandy that was the major (indeed only) feature of earlier releases.
I always found Enlightenment to be the most enjoyable of WMs, as it felt so good when you stopped using it.

Enlightenment - the best advertisement for Ratpoison [sourceforge.net] yet!

Re:Oh goody. (2, Insightful)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061817)

Shit, if I'd known I was going to be modded down for speaking the straight truth, I would have posted with my +1 bonus to give you modders something to get your teeth into.

By the way, from the FAQ:
Concentrate more on promoting than on demoting. The real goal here is to find the juicy good stuff and let others read it. Do not promote personal agendas. Do not let your opinions factor in. Try to be impartial about this. Simply disagreeing with a comment is not a valid reason to mark it down.

Re:Oh goody. (3, Funny)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061952)

Keep it coming, I've got karma to burn.

Enlightenment - the WM you run when your PC's too fast!

Re:Oh goody. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061990)

Uh, I don't think it's so much a matter of the mods' collective opinion as the fact that your post is very clearly flamebait.

April fools! (2, Funny)

kamelkev (114875) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061776)

Oh wait... what? It's almost september? WTF is going on here...

Re:April fools! (1)

mowler2 (301294) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062111)

I feel the same...

i love E (4, Funny)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061778)

i can't wait till it hits 1.0..

Re:i love E (1)

ExtremeGoatse! (778447) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062090)

It's cool to see E is still alive. I've been using it as my wm for many years and haven't found anything else that does virtual desktops just the way I enjoy them. Does anyone know if they fixed the mozilla related focus bugs?

Gnoem used to run E? (1)

matz62 (74523) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061779)

Didn't Gnome used to run on top of E?

Re:Gnome used to run E? (5, Informative)

JakeThompson1 (808024) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061819)

Yes, GNOME once ran with Enlightement, then that was changed to Sawfish, and now we have the current Metacity.

Though in reality, since all these are just window managers, you could replace them with anything you want.

Well... gnome ran on a lot of things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062074)

GNOME was used on a lot of things back then. Some of us used Windowmaker+GNOME; others, Enlightenment+GNOME; some IceWM+GNOME, etc.

GIVE IT UP, CANDYKIDS (-1, Flamebait)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061788)

E messes up your brain so you listen to happy hardcore all the time and actually enjoy it.

Stop the insanity! (tm)

E redefined the desktop? (0, Flamebait)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061799)

I think going as far as to say "redefine the desktop" is a bit over the top.

While it had a few bits of eye candy, it had no extended functionality over any of the other options at the time.

Let us forgo the zealotry and remember E as it was: The script kiddy's first Linux desktop.

Re:E redefined the desktop? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061839)

Actually, it did have extended functionality - it had an infinite stack of draggable virtual desktops vaguely akin to amiga screens (though clunkier). Windowmaker also had a practically infinite stack via the "clip" at the time, but the desktops weren't draggable.

I could be wrong, but I think the enlightenment pager was also the first to actually show miniature contents of windows in the display, prior to that, virtual desktop pagers just showed rectangles representing the windows.

Re:E redefined the desktop? (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061924)

While it had a few bits of eye candy, it had no extended functionality over any of the other options at the time.

It didn't make the 486 that I first ran linux on cry like some other WMs at the time.

LK

Re:E redefined the desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061991)

Actually, E had, and even still has the most powerful window management ability of any WM that I've ever used. It did it's job. Did it well. Even if it went off on the eyecandy tangent to an extreme, you've got to admit that it is a good window manager.

Why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061820)

So, I used to run Enlightenment like, 7 years ago when it was considered "cool" to do so.

At the time, I found the widgets fancy but unintuitive.

Seriously, what has Enlightenment been doing these past 7 years? The screenshots don't look any better than my desktop did way back. Plus, you don't get the nice KDE or Gnome-related integration.

'E' is a window manager that was ahead of the pack, and fell to the wayside by not being able to keep up with the times.

Version numbering (2, Insightful)

P-Nuts (592605) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061822)

It seems Enlightenment has only gone halfway on dropping the leading 0 from the version numbers, as the news pages don't include it, but the tarballs do. It seems unlikely given how long E has been around that it'll ever reach 1.0, so perhaps eventually it will do an emacs, and drop the leading numeral (a 1 in emacs' case)

Be curious to find out if the code's any cleaner. (-1, Offtopic)

cduffy (652) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061828)

Last I knew (~4 years ago), Evolution had some of the ugliest, most unportable code I'd had the misfortune to look upon -- the sort of thing that gives Java coders and their ilk an excuse to look down upon C.

Please, someone -- tell me it's gotten better!

Re:Be curious to find out if the code's any cleane (2, Informative)

rickbrodie (535715) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061862)

Well, that may be so. However, the topic at hand here is enlightenment not evolution.

Yes, I meant Enlightenment. (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061910)

Sorry, no slam against Ximian meant -- it's Rasterman's code I've historically had problems with.

Re:Yes, I meant Enlightenment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062037)

You had me confused for a moment. I actually like Evolution's code.

Re:Be curious to find out if the code's any cleane (3, Informative)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061926)

He's actually talking about Enlightenment. Alan Cox was heard to say that Rasterman is good at drawing pretty pictures, but as a programmer he makes a good plumber (or something to that effect - it's in one of the back issues of his Diary from 4 or 5 years ago).

EFL and the road to E17 (5, Informative)

DNAspark99 (218197) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061837)

Anyone interested in what rasterman and crew have been up to should really check out and compile the EFL [enlightenment.org] (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries)

Some really neat stuff is on the way, of particular interest is the edje/evas/evoak stuff. Eventually this work will lead to an improved themeing system, for E and anything else that ties in to the EFL.
Rasterman [rasterman.com] has even given a glimpse of the power these libs will bring to the programmer with his own version of a DVD player, using the EFL, in just 17 lines of code!

so no, contrary to popular belief...E is NOT dead!

Re:EFL and the road to E17 (4, Funny)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061896)

Rasterman has even given a glimpse of the power these libs will bring to the programmer with his own version of a DVD player, using the EFL, in just 17 lines of code!

That's nothing. I'm sure a Perl hacker could do it in one line.

Back in the day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061851)

Enlightenment takes me back a few. One of my first explorations in Linux was RH7.2 or something like that...and I was messing around with the GNOME setup and finally had enough courage to try Enlightenment.

It was interesting, but I couldn't get my head around that virtual desktop thing. Moving the cursor to the edge of the screen warped me over to the other desktop...and I liked putting apps on the corners of the screen, so that messed me up badly.

I also had a really low-powered machine so any eyecandy made it run at mach turtle.

Eventually, I discovered KDE and have been running on that since. I see the "oooh shiny" in GNOME once in a while and want to try it out but I end up not doing so. Back in the day, E was my "oooh shiny" desktop with sounds and metallic themes. Though I'm not inclined to use it, I'm glad they're still out there.

Re:Back in the day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061978)

and finally had enough courage to try Enlightenment.

Were there big, scary monsters guarding the "Use Enlightenment as your window manager" tickbox?

Go Enlightenment! (3, Funny)

Burgundy Advocate (313960) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061865)

The Future of Window Managers...

...in 1996.

E overdose! (5, Funny)

ESqVIP (782999) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061878)

Anyone noticed the title of the song being played on this screenshot [enlightenment.org] ? (see the bottom right)

fvwm (0, Flamebait)

danZenie (613768) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061885)

last time i heard E was a drug. i honestly think fvwm [fvwm.org] is a much better wm. but, last time i heard opinions were like assholes.

not dead, but comatose (2, Insightful)

nbert (785663) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061889)

it's funny to read this now - I just visited enlightenment.org some hours ago to check if they got any closer to 0.17 stable since the last time I checked (~6 month ago). Now / tells me that they finally made it to 16.7.1. I guess I'll have to lower my expectations. Don't get me wrong - I really like Enlightenment. I used it for several months before I finally switched to XFCE. 0.16 showed me the potential this project has, but it lacks some features which I really want to use. I started searching for alternatives when I realized that E wouldn't go anywhere for a long time. By the way: What was the most obvious April Fools story this year? I'd vote for 'Enlightenment 1.0 is out'.

Re:not dead, but comatose (1)

Loco3KGT (141999) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062086)

Thanks for adding insult to injury, jackhole.

I FELL FOR THAT ONE

(I am being totally serious too)

Woo, now I can make use of this AMD64! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061897)

I was planning on saving it for Doom3, but hell, nothing can stress the system like E.

Nice logo, idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10061899)

The logo looks like the MSIE blue "e" mated with Sonic the Hedgehog.

What about E17? (1)

slashcop (711438) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061909)


What will we see first? E17 or project looking glass?

I'm going with project looking glass.

Dear Slashdot (0, Troll)

Letter (634816) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061919)

Dear Slashdot,

Thanks for informing me about this new release of E. Speaking of E, I just took some E and spanked it to this hot lawyer in the yellow pages.

-Letter

all down hill since E13 (1)

sPaKr (116314) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061968)

The default theme for E13 KFA'ed but everything since that has been down hill

Oh no! more memory wastage... (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061972)

Enlightenment Foundation Libraries

Sheesh, just great, a third set of graphical toolkits to load in memory for nothing... Like we didn't have enough waste of memory with Qt/kdelibs and GTK/Gnomelibs having to be both loaded in memory most of the time (who restricts his choice to either Qt programs or GTK programs, but not both?)

Really, there are some times where the OpenSource approach to things isn't the right one. Sure choice of graphical toolkits is great, but do we look like stupids forcing users to have more memory to load several huge sets of similar libraries *just because* or what? I wish F/OSS folks decided to rally behind one and I'd happily follow, even if it wasn't my primary choice, for the sake of reducing the bloat...

Re:Oh no! more memory wastage... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062050)

Feh. This is the day of the gigabyte. Most new computer have 256MB+ Which is plenty for what most people do. Hell, it's plenty for what I do most of the time. Many computers ship with 512, and a gigabyte of the highest performance DDR isn't out of reach for even a casual user anymore.

Add to this the fact that most people don't typically have a myriad of apps open at any given time; maybe a web browser and an email client, a few terminals with whatever project they've got going on, etc etc. Shouldn't be a problem.

I agree, though. There are just too many libs to chose from, as a developer. It would be nice if there were one or two fully developed libraries.

Re:Oh no! more memory wastage... (3, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062139)

Add to this the fact that most people don't typically have a myriad of apps open at any given time;

You just need one, say GIMP in KDE, and there you have megabytes of additional, functionally identical code loaded in memory for nothing.

And you know what? even with 512M, when I edit really big images with GIMP, I need all the memory I can get. Memory isn't there for applications and libraries to waste as they please, it's supposed to be used for the data you create/manipulate.

Many years ago, it used to be that memory taken by applications and the OS was minimal compared to your data, simply because it was vital. Now it's the other way round, because developers have gotten comfy with Moore's law. The problem is, code grows faster than Moore's law...

The 90's called and they want their WM back! (1, Troll)

n2rjt (88804) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061988)

Seriously, I tried E when it was young, and wasn't impressed. It didn't help that my Linux box was a 486DX2 @ 66MHz. I used olvwm or fvwm95 back then, before switching to qvwm. The impression I got when seeing Enlightenment running on friends' machines was that it was full of glitz but otherwise no better than the minimal WMs I was running.

A standalone window manager is a thing of the past. Now, it has to be integrated with the desktop environment of choice.

Give us E17 damnit! (2, Interesting)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 10 years ago | (#10061996)

I've tried the CVS for Enlightenment v0.17, and it looks so sexy i can't wait to give it a shot. The ammount of work the E team is putting onto E17 is incredible.

Who knows, i might even drop XFCE for it if it runs well enough.

w00t! (1)

xspatz (106693) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062027)

Enlightenment is by far the best wm out there! It's functional and beautiful...which is a combination no one else has. I love E!!!

Ugly as can be... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062052)

The window manager that redefined the way a desktop can look ugly is still going strong.

something (0, Redundant)

camcorder (759720) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062059)

to test

An E release... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10062062)

Unbelievable, must have slept for a while. What's next? Doom III?

Screenshots? (0, Flamebait)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#10062081)

Anyone got any decent screenshots of this release?
The ones on the website look ugly.

Nick (wanting to see something special!)

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