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Bikes Against Bush Creator Busted

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the non-partisan dept.

Politics 1159

An anonymous reader writes "Joshua Kinberg, creator of Bikes Against Bush, was arrested in NYC for vandalism while being interviewed by MSNBC. Kinberg's website describes his project as 'using a Wireless Internet-enabled bicycle outfitted with a custom-designed printing device, the Bikes Against Bush bicycle can print text messages sent from web users directly onto the streets of Manhattan in water-soluble chalk". Both Wired and Popular Science have done stories on Kinberg's work." Update: 08/30 01:30 GMT by J : Mr. Kinberg has been released; he describes his arrest and brief stay behind bars on this MSNBC blog.

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Should have known (0, Troll)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102911)

Didn't IBM get into the same problem in NYC before?

Remember "Peace, Love, Linux"?

Oddly enough when I first clicked on the "Read More" link I got this:
"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."


Scarry for someone like me who operates an Anti-Bush site.

Re:Should have known (5, Informative)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102953)

No. IBM got in trouble in San Francisco for painting "Peace, Love, Linux" on things.

Re:Should have known (4, Informative)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103065)

Microsoft also got in trouble I think in New York for the MSN butterfly

Re:Should have known (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103093)

Intresting how IBM innovated with this whole crime-does-pay(good ROI on the marketing program even counting cleaning costs) grafiti vandalism; and then Microsoft embraces and extends with color paint.

Funny to see art (marketing) imatating life (technology) here.

Re:Should have known (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103024)

IBM got in trouble (in SF and Chicago, among other places) because their ad agency "accidently" used permanent paint, not chalk (which would have been fine).

It was pretty funny when Sun (a competitor) volunteered to help remove the IBM ads from SF.

Re:Should have known (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103038)

IBM got in to trouble because their marketing campaign used permanent chalk. They had to pay, later, to clean it up.

LOL (0, Offtopic)

Saturn SL1-WNY (807134) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102914)

Bicycles suck, Bush needs to support the segway. And the gnaa.

Can't say I agree... (2, Funny)

numLocked (801188) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102919)

although I can't say I'm upset either!

Re:Can't say I agree... (4, Insightful)

cmacb (547347) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102956)

Yeah, what passes for protest these days gets sillier and sillier. Everyone wants to enjoy their favorite hobby or passtime while engaging in protest against the evil dark lords. Too many airheads, too much time on their hands. What a horribly oppressed society we live in!

Latte sit-in for partial-birth abortion anyone?

Re:Can't say I agree... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103068)

\begin{sarcasm} your right...the country is so perfect there really aren't any reasons to dissent. Anyone who does is automatically a silly hippie. That is a well thought out philosohy on your part, congradulations. \end{sarcasm}

Re:Can't say I agree... (3, Funny)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102965)

Oh sure, first they take away our water-soluble chalk....then what's next? They take away all our guns! Then after that they take away all our freedoms and houses and SUV's and Bananna Republic stores where we get our "khakis"!!!

Re:Can't say I agree... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103072)

Can't say you took much time to write that comment.

Can't say you are an asset to our community either!

I would have busted him, too... (5, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102920)

Even though the chalk is water-soluble, he admitted previously that it takes almost 2 weeks to wash off. I don't have a problem with his political stance - in fact, I agree with him - but the mere fact that his plan revolved around the defacement of public property is enough to warrant an arrest. IANAL, but writing stuff all over the sidewalk (over an extended area) - even in chalk - has to be against some local laws.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (1)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102952)

Groups on campus do that all the time to promote their clubs' events. I do go to a private school.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (2, Insightful)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102989)

Typical sidewalk chalk doesn't take 2 weeks to dissapear though.

Furthermore campuses *allow* that to happen. There's scrawlings for clubs and whatnot (even LAN parties sometimes) all over the sidewalks at my school (a state university) but it's allowed, and you may be required to ask for permission somewhere before you do it.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (4, Insightful)

gatzke (2977) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103039)

Not all universities are so open to defacement.

A buddy of mine got repeatedly hastled by the cops at Auburn for chaking a few years back.

What about chalking a building? Sure it will wash off in a few weeks...

What about a new marketing method? Coke buys a truck that chalks up everything in sight, but it will wash off, no worries.

IBM got in trouble for hiring a marketing group that spray painted pro linux motos on the sidewalks in boston. They got busted and had to clean the stuff up.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (3, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103008)

Well, the difference being that it is a private school with its own set of laws. Even though the knee-jerk supporters of the first amendement will be up at arms about this, it's really a question of vandalism than anything else.

Re: I would have busted him, too... (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102979)


> IANAL, but writing stuff all over the sidewalk (over an extended area) - even in chalk - has to be against some local laws.

I wonder how often they bust schoolgirls for drawing hopscotch guides on public sidewalks.

Let me guess... (0, Troll)

NineteenSixtyNine (775581) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103015)

"Jenna & Barbara suck, gargle AND swallow!!!"?

Re: I would have busted him, too... (3, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103052)

If you have difficulty seeing the difference between hopscotch guides and a widely distributed network of sidewalk defacement - then you're hopeless. You're probably even convinced that this was politically motivated.

Re: I would have busted him, too... (3, Funny)

arose (644256) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103071)

It's scale that matters eh? Get those spraycans out lads, it's only defacement in a "widely distributed network".

Re: I would have busted him, too... (0, Troll)

linzeal (197905) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103089)

If he was arrested for defacement than so should the children. Why are they different? A school down where I live has sprawling chalk drawings all the time which makes it look like someone puked pastel all over the sidewalk. Throw them in juvi till they are 18.

Re: I would have busted him, too... (2, Funny)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103067)

as often as they draw legible political messages on the pavement, i suppose.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (4, Interesting)

StillAnonymous (595680) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102993)

I don't think it's so bad. I'm forced to put up with advertising that is shoved in my face everywhere I go, and I get no say about it. The only difference here is that this guy did it for free and it's messages from the people, not from some corporation that has profit in mind.

Hmm, that seems to be the sad state of today's world. Everything's a-ok as long as you've paid somebody. Nothing's legit unless money transfers hands.

OTOH... (4, Insightful)

lysium (644252) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103001)

I don't recall the architects of the NYC MSN Butterfly sticker campaign going to jail; they just paid for the clean-up. This guy gets delayed-process treatment and permanently loses his bike.


Re:I would have busted him, too... (2, Interesting)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103003)

On the other hand, there is the question of his actions being "speech," and in the class of "speech" protected by the first amendment. (I use quotes around speech because the Supreme Court has established precedents that delineate more than the literal act of vocalizing words as "speech", such as Cohen v. California in the 70s.) Precisely whether or not his actions fall into that protected class and trumping the local charges with federal law will, of course, be a matter for the courts.

Personally I thought it was a neat hack, and since I'm completely in sympathy with the protestors instead of the establishment, I'm sorry to see him busted.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103012)

. . . it takes almost 2 weeks to wash off.

By natural erosion, or about 2 minutes with a hose.

. . .writing stuff all over the sidewalk (over an extended area) - even in chalk - has to be against some local laws.

Yeah, that's why they arrest all of those sidewalk artists and kids playing hopscotch who aren't engaging in political speech.

KFG

Thank you KFG... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103073)

That's one of the first times you and I have ever agreed and made the same point.

-JL'B

Better arrest them children then... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103049)

Shall we then arrest all the local children who draw on the sidewalks in water soluable chalk? After all the kids' messages are non-political and much less deserving of first amendment protection according to the US courts, who have upheld consistently that government criticism deserves the highest protection of free speech?

No, really? We shouldn't arrest the kids? Shouldn't the law apply equally?

This person did no permanent damage to the public environment. He was not trespassing on private property. His message was protected free speech. Weighing all this, he should not have been arrested. I hope he makes a federal case out of the arrest, because even in a pro-Bush climate he'd likely win.

And before anyone asks, I'd have the same opinion if the messages were pro-Bush, pro-Kerry, pro-Nader, or anti-any-of-the-above. Free speech need not be popular to be permitted! In point of opinion, the least popular speech should be afforded the most protection.

Re:I would have busted him, too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103058)

I guess we should arrest all the kids who do this, too. After all, the very term "sidewalk chalk" got its name because, well, kids used it on sidewalks which are generally public property. Oooooh...big crime there! Heck, they did this on the grounds of my old public school and no one cared, and some kids just drew on the steps of my apartment complex and you didn't see anyone calling the cops.

News flash: Mary Poppins and Bert arrested for defacing London sidewalks with art that washes away in water.

I'm sure this is politically motivated on at least 2 levels. One is the anti-Bush level. The second is the frustration level. I'm sure the cops want to look like they're "doing something" to "protect" the city from grafitti even though they can't ever catch REAL grafitti makers with spraypaint cans. It just gives them a warm fuzzy feeling to know they took down the easiest target they could.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102921)

FP

The question is: (4, Insightful)

Xshare (762241) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102925)

Was he doing it in Linux? Slashdot humor aside, he was arrested perfectly legally, for vandalism. People here will say "Omg look at them arresting people for not liking bush, blah blah blah!", but guys... what he did was vandalism, whether or not it was about pink elephants, faeries, or a dumbass president.

Re: The question is: (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102955)


> what he did was vandalism, whether or not it was about pink elephants, faeries, or a dumbass president.

Actually he was going around printing "first post!" on all the sidewalks in the neighborhood, and the authorities thought it was some kind of coded terrorist message.

As usual: RTFA (0)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102992)

He is using applescript and perl. So almost 100% sure he is using a mac.

As for it being vandalism you could call almost anything that has to do with protesting a criminal act. Carry a banner? Unlicensed advertising. Hold a sit in? Traffic disruption maybe even holding the people you are stopping against their will.

I think it is intresting that he is hardly the first to use grafitti. Microsoft advertised with it in the same city. Was Bill Gates arrested? No? Says it all doesn't it.

Re:As usual: RTFA (4, Insightful)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103096)

As for it being vandalism you could call almost anything that has to do with protesting a criminal act. Carry a banner? Unlicensed advertising. Hold a sit in? Traffic disruption maybe even holding the people you are stopping against their will.

Excellent point, just because the law forbids something doesn't mean the law should forbid it. When the Indians protested against the British it was illegal, but nobody would dare claim their cause was unjust. Sometimes the right thing to do is to break the law.

1st admentment (3, Interesting)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102926)

Well fuck the first admendment here. I'm a Bush supporter and I think this guy got railroaded. Nothing wrong with what he was doing. I hope he sues the fuck out of NYC for this.

Re:1st admentment (1, Informative)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102951)

Nothing wrong with a little vandalism is there?

Re:1st admentment (5, Informative)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102984)

Technically, what he was doing was not vandalism. In this case, he demonstrated to the arresting officer that the chalk he was using washed off by itself, and did not stain the sidewalk. Vandalism and defacement only cover permanent damage, because the owner of the property should not be required to pay to clean up. In this case, a property owner has the option of paying, but also has the option of simply waiting, and the graffiti will clean itself up.

Re:1st admentment (0)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103016)

It seems like using a pigment that isn't permenant, BUT takes weeks to come off is deliberately pushing that boundary

Re:1st admentment (1)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103081)

It gets into a subtlety then, and I don't know the NYC ordinance in question. If the ordinance discusses intent to deface, then, the fact that it comes off, and that he was using it because it comes off, might well be evidence enough to refute a charge of vandalism. (You know all those legal disclaimers which talk about consulting an attorney certified to practice in your state? This kind of thing is why they always say that.)

Beyond all this, though, the truth is that getting arrested in this way is certainly doing more harm to the Republican Party then any number of messages scrawled on the streets would. He's gone from being a nuisance to being a hero -- anybody else old enough to remember "This is John Chancellor, in custody?"

Re:1st admentment (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102986)

"Nothing wrong with a little vandalism is there?"

I'd argue that since what he applies is water soluble and wears off after a couple of weeks, he is committing less vandalism than a skateboarder that grinds his trucks on the curb.

For whatever reason, I see protests in NYC getting much bigger and much, much uglier than current predictions are for. I wonder if they'll reach a level where the government will call in the military? That might be something to see on television...

Re:1st admentment (1)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103054)

Guess you never heard of a little thing called "The 60's" huh?

Set your way-back machine to places like Kent State [wikipedia.org] and the DNC of 1968 in Chicago. [wikipedia.org]

Re:1st admentment (2, Insightful)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103027)

But he wasn't vandalising anything. He was demostrating how his device worked. The police busted him and didn't give him a reason ether. Now if they picked him up while rolling around NYC they would have had a case.

The clear reason why they busted him is because the repbulican convention is coming to town and this is one more protester off the street. This guy clearly got the shaft in my option. I don't agree with his politics but I don't agree with locking his ass up because of them.

Re:1st admentment (1)

photonrider (571060) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102987)

He doesn't have a right to deface public property. He can stand on a street corner and shout or pass out leaflets but writing on the streets enmasse as he was is vandalism. He should be prosecuted, to the full extent of the law.

Re:1st admentment (0, Troll)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103006)

Really! Vandalism is an expression of art and free speech! HOW DARE they arrest him!

I'm a serial killer...I kill people as my "art" and it represents my image of "man's inhumanity to man" in a creative and fun way! How dare they arrest me for that...that's breaking my constitutional right to free speech and expression!

Getting Slow (1)

DotNM (737979) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102927)

The /. effect is starting.... the website referenced in the article is very slow.

Coral Cache Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102971)

Here [nyud.net]

Re:Getting Busted (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103074)

Database Error
Could not establish database connection.
DB: nycdada and SQL: -->

The administrator has been notified and will
resolve the problem ASAP.

Go back

Wow (0)

Photar (5491) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102929)

Big suprise.

Politics aside, he got what he diserved.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102958)

Politics and spelling aside you mean...

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103028)

Some might say he was done a great disservice

They will rule us all.... (5, Funny)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102931)

First Swift Boats are against Kerry.
Now bikes are against Bush.

This is only the beginning. The machines will soon rule us all...

Hmmm (0, Flamebait)

Subnirvana337 (572385) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102933)

I can foresee the EFF possibly getting into this..Something smells fishy and it isn't my upperlip...I find it highly surprising that he wasn't told what he was charged with, was he even read his miranda rights?

Re:Hmmm (1)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103002)

Or... not. Would you support the same actions but with spraycan paint?

Re:Hmmm (2, Insightful)

Subnirvana337 (572385) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103082)

but this wasn't paint, it was chalk. Is the city of new york going to arrest a 7 year old for drawing with chalk on the sidewalk? Now logistically, this 7 year old would probably get run over from pedestrians..Is there maybe a law I don't know about that says you can't use nonpermanent chalk on a public sidewalk? I could understand maybe if it was indecent words but having a political opinion IMO, should not be punished.

If not some cops are going to loose their jobs (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103034)

Depending how independent MSNBC really is (lets not forget they did do an almost completly positive review of a linux laptop) they got a nice story. Peacefull protestor arrested without being told the reason. Any reporter worth his salt should be able to spin a nice story from this.

Bush is already in hot water for putting foreigners in prison with being charged. Putting americans in prison without being charged should surely even get republicans worried.

That's what your founding fathers fought for (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102935)

The ability for the police to arrest someone without charge who is campaigning against the president (he doesn't deserve a capital p) and using his supposed right to free speech.

It will only get worse. Supposed terrorist threats and perpetual war will be used to grind down your rights until you have none.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (1, Insightful)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102973)

I don't care if you're campaigning for the girlscouts, painting on public property is illegal.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (1)

robochan (706488) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103031)

I don't care if you're campaigning for the girlscouts, painting on public property is illegal.

But that's the point. It _wasn't_ paint - it was chalk. The same chalk that millions of kids draw all over sidewalks with ever day.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103059)

He didn't paint any thing. He used chalk.

Idiot. You didn't even have to read the fucking article to know that.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103066)

He's a member of the public, he painted ** with water soluble chalk so it isn't vandalism ** on public property? What is the problem?

As has been pointed out already, it seems to be okay for big corporations (not members of the public) to paint on public property.

So this really does come down to the fact that he is painting anti-Bush stuff, which is his right, and he has been owned for doing it. This just shows how despicable the US government is, and why most of the rest of the world detests America, especially its foreign policy and attitude towards the rest of the world. Its government is just a bunch of self-serving greedy people that will do anything to stay in power, even if it means destroying the foundations of what the USA is built upon.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102981)

Defacing public property is not protected speech.

Re:That's what your founding fathers fought for (-1, Flamebait)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103020)

who is campaigning against the president (he doesn't deserve a capital p)

Although I capitalize "President" I'm not sure it's right... aside from that he doesn't deserve the "p" in front.

Resident Bush

Not nitpicking... just letting you know (0)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103070)

I just checked and saw this:

We do not capitalize the title/rank/position of a person when it follows the individual's name; when it used with the name of a company, an agency, an office, and the like; or when it is used alone. In other words, a title/rank/position is a common noun or adjective unless it immediately precedes a person's name.


But then I saw this [rit.edu] :

Other presidents are lower case, except for the current President and Vice President of the United States, as in "President Bush;...the President said..."


So to recap; referring to Gore you capitalize and referring to Bush you leave off the "p".

I wonder if . . . (5, Insightful)

ir0b0t (727703) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102950)

the message "support our troops" would have gotten him arrested.

Re:I wonder if . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103097)

I wonder if the message "support our troops" would have gotten him arrested.

The article doesn't say what message he was writing at the time of the arrest. Besides, supporting are troops has little to do with like or dislike of Bush.

Can You Say "Bogus"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102957)

Yeah, this is an absolute, 100% bullshit charge, designed solely to jerk him around, get him off the front page and news shows (of course, it'll have the complete opposite effect), and try to deplete his bank account. It'll fail on all counts.

Microsoft was spray painting stencils on the sidewalk, and Toyota's doing it right now in SF... don't see any marketing execs getting frog-marched out of the building over that.

Re:Can You Say "Bogus"? (1)

photonrider (571060) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103055)

Couldn't be because of the liberal city government in SF now could it? Nothing BS about it, he's defacing public property, doesn't matter what the message is. Free Speech doesn't mean you can deface property or otherwise break the law. The subject of the speech is irrelevant, he's breaking the law.

vandalism charge without intent to damage? (2, Insightful)

LuxFX (220822) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102962)

One would hope that this guy has some possibility of defending himself, if the charge is for vandalism. IANAL, but as far as I know a charge of vandalism needs proof of the intent to damage property. By using water-soluable chalk this guy has shown that he's not interested in damaging the property, only in showing his messages.

Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerry. (0, Troll)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102966)

I don't agree with most of the crap Bush believes in. For what it's worth, I think Bush is a sleazy, shady douchebag. And, save for the level-headed folk I see on Slashdot, I can't fucking stand Bush supporters and militant Republicans. I really hate those fucking pudgy, clean-shaven, uptight business suit republican twats on my campus. But my distaste for conservatives and Republicans pales in comparison to my distaste for whackjob liberals.

The way the left-leaning have conducted themselves in regards towards Bush is utterly fucking appalling. Never before in the 20th century have I seen people so fanatically and stupidly obsessed with insane and idiotic hatred towards a president. When Clinton was president, I was appalled by the behavior of Republicans towards him, and I can tell you that as a left-leaning person myself I donated to Nader and was rooting for Al Gore. But the hatred for Bush has taken a new low.

One can make a great case for hating Bush. He's fucked up a lot, he was not level with the American people, he supports laws and ideologies that are potentially dangerous in regards to our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that's not to say that there have not been plenty of reasonable, erudite condemnations regarding Bush. But this is not true for the majority of Bush haters. If you're going to hate on Bush, hate on him for the right reasons, and do it in a reasonable, erudite manner. For example, when he says "the terrorists hate our freedom," instead of accusing him of stupidity, try to disprove that claim in a reasonable, intelligent manner.

That's not to say that the right wingers are not full of profoundly stupid anti-Kerry idiocy. But it does not hold a candle to the stupidity in which the left has bashed Bush. Instead of rational discourse, we are treated to whiny, strawman lecturing by Tom Tomorrow and Gary Trudeau. Instead of tact, we hear cries of "Bush iz dum lol." Instead of truthful discourse on Bush's evils, we have fat media whoring fucks lying and distorting the truth in ways which makes George Bush look like George Washinton. Moore should have learned a thing or two from Bush - lying to make your case will always bite you in the ass in the long run. Instead of balanced, fair investigation, we see one-sided rants and conspiracy theories propogated by Rolling Stone and other mags, which then have the tenacity to complain that the media is controlled by capitalists and righties (I think the media is controlled by no one). Instead of voting one's conscious, we see nihilism and cynicism towards the political process, with the mantra "anyone but Bush." We see Bush punching bags, Bush bashing books, basically a capitalist franchise of playa hating which legitimizes the very capitalist system the idiots abhor as being spearheaded by Bush. An entire culture of angsty, misguided stupidity. So, I'm being angsty in the other direction.

In short, the liberal left has managed to piss me off more than the Radical Right. And as far as I'm concerned, Kerry's differences are so miniscule so as not to make a difference. Better to stick with the evil you know than the evil you don't know. But most importantly, I'm voting for Bush as a big FUCK YOU to all the idiots who have made me lose faith in the liberal mode of thought.

I can't argue with these people, I can't reason with these people. There is nothing I really can do in any tangible manner to silence their idiocy. But as an American citizen, I can cast my vote.

So unless Teresa Heinz personally gives me a blowjob, or Bush consumes an infant on live television, my vote will be going to Bush this November, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

err, yeah. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102988)

That's funny, I plan to cast my vote based on whose policies I think are best for the country, and not because I hate Bush's supporters on cable TV, the religious right, etc., etc. ...

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102996)

So unless Teresa Heinz personally gives me a blowjob, or Bush consumes an infant on live television, my vote will be going to Bush this November, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Unless a "te'wowist" will kill you...

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (-1, Troll)

Troed (102527) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102997)

as an American citizen, I can cast my vote.
my vote will be going to Bush this November,


Thanks for proving just how stupid USians are.

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103025)

I don't agree with most of the crap Hitler believes in. For what it's worth, I think Hitler is a sleazy, shady douchebag. And, save for the level-headed folk I see on Slashdot, I can't fucking stand Hitler supporters and militant Nazis. I really hate those fucking pudgy, clean-shaven, uptight business suit socialist twats on my campus. But my distaste for socialists and Hitler pales in comparison to my distaste for whackjob allieds.

The way the allied-leaning have conducted themselves in regards towards Hitler is utterly fucking appalling. Never before in the 20th century have I seen people so fanatically and stupidly obsessed with insane and idiotic hatred towards a fuhrer. When someone else was fuhrer, I was appalled by the behavior of Nazis towards him, and I can tell you that as a left-leaning person myself I donated to Nader and was rooting for Al Gore. But the hatred for Hitler has taken a new low.

One can make a great case for hating Hitler. He's fucked up a lot, he was not level with the German people, he supports laws and ideologies that are potentially dangerous in regards to our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that's not to say that there have not been plenty of reasonable, erudite condemnations regarding Hitler. But this is not true for the majority of Hitler haters. If you're going to hate on Hitler, hate on him for the right reasons, and do it in a reasonable, erudite manner. For example, when he says "the Jews are a menace to our pure Aryan blood," instead of accusing him of stupidity, try to disprove that claim in a reasonable, intelligent manner.

That's not to say that the right wingers are not full of profoundly stupid anti-Kerry idiocy. But it does not hold a candle to the stupidity in which the left has bashed Hitler. Instead of rational discourse, we are treated to whiny, strawman lecturing by Tom Tomorrow and Gary Trudeau. Instead of tact, we hear cries of "Hitler iz dum lol." Instead of truthful discourse on Hitler's evils, we have fat media whoring fucks lying and distorting the truth in ways which makes Adolf Hitler look like George Washinton. Moore should have learned a thing or two from Hitler - lying to make your case will always bite you in the ass in the long run. Instead of balanced, fair investigation, we see one-sided rants and conspiracy theories propogated by Rolling Stone and other mags, which then have the tenacity to complain that the media is controlled by capitalists and righties (I think the media is controlled by no one). Instead of voting one's conscious, we see nihilism and cynicism towards the political process, with the mantra "anyone but Hitler." We see Hitler punching bags, Hitler bashing books, basically a socialist franchise of playa hating which legitimizes the very socialist system the idiots abhor as being spearheaded by Hitler. An entire culture of angsty, misguided stupidity. So, I'm being angsty in the other direction.

In short, the liberal left has managed to piss me off more than the Radical Right. And as far as I'm concerned, Kerry's differences are so miniscule so as not to make a difference. Better to stick with the evil you know than the evil you don't know. But most importantly, I'm voting for Hitler as a big FUCK YOU to all the idiots who have made me lose faith in the liberal mode of thought.

I can't argue with these people, I can't reason with these people. There is nothing I really can do in any tangible manner to silence their idiocy. But as a German citizen, I can cast my vote.

So unless Teresa Heinz personally gives me a blowjob, or Hitler consumes an infant on live television, my vote will be going to Hitler this November, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Godwin's Law: You lose (1)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103043)

Have a nice day.

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103053)

So what you're saying is that you're voting for Bush because people who support Kerry annoy you more than those who support Bush?

Fucking brilliant.

Fair enough, BUT... (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103069)

Funny, you rant about the lefties, consider yourself a leftie and will vote Bush?

So if you are a liberal as you say you are, why not Nader? If you truly believe in a democratic system and are disgusted by both sides then voting for Nader is the only logical discourse, no?

Of course if I may be cynical here, maybe you are a center right who will vote for Bush because you want to point out the "evils" of the left.

Frankly there is nothing wrong with Moore or the media. More like it, it reminds me of the early seventies where people did the same thing. The problem is that as a society in the Western world we are being faced with many changes (abortion, civil liberties, gay marriage, etc). Many people cannot handle those changes and that is causing strive.

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103083)

Mr. vuvewux, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on /. is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Re:Funny enough, I was planning on voting for Kerr (1)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103099)

At least I was able to write a post without copying Billy Madison.

What was he charged with? (5, Insightful)

dave-tx (684169) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102968)

According to TFA:
Kinberg cooperated fully with the officers as he was being handcuffed, only asking, "can I ask what I'm being arrested for?" to which no one provided an answer. As of 11:00 PM Saturday evening, he was still in custody without being charged with anything.

I think it's safe to say that if being inconvenient or embarassing to Republicans during the Convention was a crime, that's what his charge would have been. As it is, they'll just have to hold him for a while.

Shameful the level some officials will stoop to silence dissent.

Fine line (4, Insightful)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102972)

There is a fine line between protest and vandalism. The stuff comes off with water so I don't see how this is effecting anything.

I also have a different attitude in general towards what other people would call vandalism. I've been through the Bronx which has its fair share of "paintings" on walls (most of which is not environmentally friendly like what the biker is using), and I don't call it vandalism but I call it art. Most of these paintings are not banal expression like "fuck you" but rather creative expression and political/social commentary.... much like what Mr. Kinberg is doing.

Re:Fine line (1)

vuvewux (792756) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102994)

Paint comes off over time too.

The fact remains that he was damaging the commons. He could have rented a billboard or purchased roadside property if he wanted to do this, but he didn't. He assaulted the property that I pay for without consulting me or my representatives. For this I will not stand.

Sigh.. (1)

SbooX (181758) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102975)

So much for Coral [slashdot.org] ending the slashdot effect. I'm just getting a 408 timeout error [nyud.net]

spam from me to the bike to the streets.. (3, Funny)

peculiarmethod (301094) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102976)

tried takin it to the streets.. protesting spam anyway.. by sending this to the bike. Was too late. *sigh*

I do not want your MLMs;
I don't want to see nude teenage femmes.
I do not want psychic advice,
So there's no need to mail me thrice.
I do not like New Jerseyan swearing,
And I don't want the panties you're wearing.
I do not want your Asian chicks;
I don't care about your lame stock picks.
I do not want to see Pam's bod,
Don't care about your views on God.
I don't want calling cards prepaid,
Nor Herbalife's new diet aid.
So, Dave Rhodes, lawyers Seigel and Canter,
And the "I am so great" ranter,
And all you others who have no name--
Whether small-time or of nanae fame:
I do not want to sound too crass,
But I think someone should kick your /dev/null.

Hey, cool (5, Funny)

dirtsurfer (595452) | more than 10 years ago | (#10102983)

Let's all send him messages like, "ONE WAY" and "RIGHT TURN ONLY"

That should make NYC streets even more interesting than usual for a while. :)

Re:Hey, cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103095)

That would be priceless!

Slashdot lawyers (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10102985)

Great, here come the Slashdot lawyers out of the woodwork. We're sure to be blessed with some rock-solid legal advice now.

I don't recall such activism around the Democratic national convention - leave the freaking Republicans to have their week too.

Re:Slashdot lawyers (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103085)


I don't recall such activism around the Democratic national convention - leave the freaking Republicans to have their week too.


What would protestors have protested against during the DNC?

This will make Bush happy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103005)

Bush will be very happy about this. Now the protesters will whine and complain about the arrest rather than complain about Bush. The headline will read "Protestor Arrested for Vandalism" instead of "200,000 people gather to protest Bush's violation of civil rights" or whatever they are protesting. The story will carry quotes from protesters saying the man is keeping them down, rather than quotes explaining exactly why the protesters were protesting in the first place.

This works, somewhat... (2, Informative)

gt25500 (622543) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103029)

http://bikesagainstbush.com.nyud.net:8090/

No surprise (1)

xplenumx (703804) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103030)

So simply by putting "using a Wireless Internet-enabled bicycle outfitted" in the abstract, the article becomes Slashdot worthy?

What this guy's actions were over the line and he was well aware of the risk that he was taking. While the timing of the arrest is suspect (can they hold him for a week over a valdalism charge?), quite frankly I'm surprised he was able to go on for as long as he did.

We're on the defensive (5, Interesting)

Helpadingoatemybaby (629248) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103048)

From the article:

When Kinberg showed the police sergeant how the bicycle used a non-permanent spray chalk, the sergeant seemed to agree that it wasn't defacement, at which point Kinberg asked, "am I free to go?" After conferring about it, officers decided to call superiors, then came back moments later to place Kinberg under arrest and confiscate the bicycle.

Kinberg cooperated fully with the officers as he was being handcuffed, only asking, "can I ask what I'm being arrested for?" to which no one provided an answer. As of 11:00 PM Saturday evening, he was still in custody without being charged with anything.

I've noticed that dissent is becoming less and less tolerated. If you're not for us, you're against us. It's fairly clear that water soluble chalk will not meet the minimum requirements for "vandalism" and you can see above that even the arresting officer had doubts about this arrest.

The changes are coming fast and furiously. The DMCA, restrictions on freedom of speech. Has anyone else that by contrast to the 1960's we don't need to protest FOR change, at this point we need to protest to prevent these weekly changes that are intended to reduce our rights?

Think about it. This is a major difference. We're on the defensive. That cannot be a good sign.

Printer Jam (1, Insightful)

http101 (522275) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103050)

...and yet we let our kids draw on the sidewalks with chalk. They'll use anything to shut the mouths of truth, won't they? Looks like free "speech" is limited to just the act of talking. Its a sad world.

Bikes Against Bush Creator? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103061)

Bikes Against Bush Creator? Does it mean Bikes Against Bush Senior or Saudi Arabia?

It seems down... (4, Informative)

anglete (782289) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103063)

Here's that coral cache thing [nyud.net]

Interesting that he's being charged with defacement of public property. We'll see how long it takes to release him. His goal of printing messages during the republican convention may not happen. Was that intentional on the superiors part?

Cool idea, but if it was widespread, i think i would agree that its defacement. If there were messages everywhere on the ground, would you still consider it benign? As it is though, one person on one bike, i don't think it's defacement.

What to me is really insulting is that companies can get away with printing their messages in the sky via those cloud making airplanes. When superbowl was here in san diego, they wrote heineken in the atmosphere to be read at least 20 square miles away from the stadium. I would rather not see my beautiful southern californian sky poluted by such nonsense that nobody can erase. At least this fellow uses chalk that can be removed pretty easily.

Check out the video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103064)

http://dv.open4all.info/bblog/torrent_files/200408 28_kinberg.mov.torrent

Get'cher red hot video, right here! (4, Informative)

jx100 (453615) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103079)

Torrent [open4all.info] of the arrest.

Que the grumpy old man... (1)

KhaymanUCSD (801306) | more than 10 years ago | (#10103080)

That's it, I'm calling the cops on those 6 year old 'vandals' playing on the sidewalk outside my window! These hearts and flowers tags on the street have been cluttering up our fine community for too long!

Coral P2P cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103086)

Is it just me, or is that coral [slashdot.org] thing down...? The site's been /.ed and i was hoping this would work...

Support Josh via Paypal to buy spare parts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10103101)

Josh was arrested at the RNC yesterday evening, because the cops said they couldn't remove the chalk from the sidewalk.

The bike was confescated, and Josh & friends are working on a replacement. They have spare parts, but need some quick cash. You can give some quick cash via the Paypal link at the
top of http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/ [bikesagainstbush.com] . $5 or more, I'm sure anything will help.

http://publish.nyc.indymedia.org/feature/rate/1060 15/index.php#106015 [indymedia.org]

-= Flarg
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