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Where's Alviso?

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the look-for-red-stripes dept.

Intel 104

DMOS writes "Intel's 'Dothan' processor for moblile computers has finally seen the light of day, but where is the rest of the 'Sonoma' platform? Specifically, the 'Alviso' chipset that is replacing the current i855 and ICH4m. So far it appears to be MIA, and Devhardware looks into why with their 'Where's Alviso?' article."

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Where's Alviso? (-1, Offtopic)

darth_MALL (657218) | about 10 years ago | (#10112988)

Dunno...You feel a sharp pain anywhere?

Re:Where's Alviso? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113108)

Sad, but true.

That's why I always refer to Alviso as the Mozilla among the locations, especially when one of my employees suggests to use Mozilla or the browser it is based on, Firebox, in a sitewide deployment. I mean, Internet Explorer is the standard for all web protocols, so why change it? I credit the efforts of the former Netscape employees who really try to use their time of unemployment to create something useful, but they just keep on missing the needs of their target audience. Perhaps Netscape could provide them with their newest code instead of letting them just reuse their obsolete Netscape 4.x code. Who knows.

This leaves us waiting for Windows Longhorn.

Name game (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 years ago | (#10112993)


What's down the pike, Rethan, Mithan, Fathan, Sothan, ...?

Re: Name game (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 years ago | (#10113048)


> What's down the pike, Rethan, Mithan, Fathan, Sothan, ...?

Sorry; I think that's based on a bad parse. More likely will be Dotchewy, Dotluke, Dotleia, Dotbobba, Dotdarth, Dotstormtrooper#3, ...

Re:Name game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10116145)

"Dothan" is an Israeli name. I suppose it's related to "Timna" and "Banyas" (the code name for Centerino, as far as I remember). This probably hints that the processor was designed and made in Haifa, Israel.

And here I am... (-1, Offtopic)

Mard (614649) | about 10 years ago | (#10112994)

Still wondering where my Athlon 64 is. Oh right, I can't afford it :(

Re:And here I am... (-1, Offtopic)

't is DjiM (801555) | about 10 years ago | (#10113026)

Solution 1) marry 2) fetch your mother-in-law's wheelchair 3) attach a rocket engine 4) pretend you are raising funds for parkinson-patients 5) profit ! 6) get that Athlon 64!

Re:And here I am... (0, Offtopic)

't is DjiM (801555) | about 10 years ago | (#10113045)

I forgot two things (damn, I should have used the preview)
  1. Use line breaks
  2. Note that the first step is actually not a very wise thing to do. Don't try it at home!

Re:And here I am... (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about 10 years ago | (#10113285)

> 1. Use line breaks 2. Note that the first step is actually not a very wise thing to do. Don't try it at home!

3. Post witty response to correct article.

Where's Alviso? (4, Funny)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 10 years ago | (#10112996)

Come off Hwy 101 in Sunnyvale, take Hwy 237 East and head for Milpitas. I think.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

klep (26544) | about 10 years ago | (#10113016)

I thought the same thing....

And it's on the left hand side of the road....

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

dgatwood (11270) | about 10 years ago | (#10113440)

Well, I was going to say near Sunnyvale on Mountain View-Alviso Road, but....

It's kind of cool with all the murals on the walls and stuff. Worth driving by if you're in the area. Then hang a left on the end of 237 and drive up over the hills for a nice view overlooking the entire South Bay.

As for the chipset, why do we really need it? It's a laptop chipset. Adding DDR just adds heat, cost, and power consumption without that much benefit. (I mean, really, how many of you are doing video rendering or other huge number crunching on your laptops?)

Just my $0.02.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | about 10 years ago | (#10113576)

Likewise we don't need to play the latest Doom 3 games on our desktops too. All those fancy rendering, takes a lot of computing power! We don't NEED those, they should only be playable on supercomputers!

Progress man! Progress!

Re:Where's Alviso? (2, Interesting)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 10 years ago | (#10115290)

If they want DDR2 and PCI-E on a laptop so badly, what's stopping them from using a 925X? No, it wouldn't be Centrino, but you COULD throw a Dothan (or any P4, be it Socket 423, 478, or LGA775) on that chipset.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | about 10 years ago | (#10115344)

Er, what?

Pentium M systems using the i855 chipset already use DDR266(PC2100). DDR2 runs at a lower voltage than DDR, thereby producing less heat and consuming less power. If you had read the article . . . no, wait, nevermind.

Missing poll options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113031)

next to Simoso and Theodorso
hiding behind Waldo
the last stop on the train to hell (Wassau, WI)
I knew I should've taken a left at Albuquerque
ask Jimmy Hoffa
the East River

Re:Where's Alviso? (4, Funny)

Dun Malg (230075) | about 10 years ago | (#10113090)

yep. There it is. [yahoo.com]

Re:Where's Alviso? (2, Funny)

HaeMaker (221642) | about 10 years ago | (#10113148)

Yes, TiVo is there. Smelly as hell, but cool... You can see what happens to a harbor when you stop dredging it. Alviso has a an undredged harbor.

The town of Alviso is nicer (1)

billstewart (78916) | about 10 years ago | (#10113452)

Tivo's pretty far east, past the sewage plant and garbage dump. The town is west of all that, and I've never noticed it smelling bad, though I'm used to living in places with freshwater or saltwater marshes before I moved to CA, and your tastes may be different. Occasionally the wind blows the wrong way, though.

There were a couple of houses I looked at renting or buying when I moved out here in ~93. Before 237 was upgraded and the Dot-Com era office buildings and accompanying yuppies got there, Alviso was mostly a blue-collar Mexican town that's technically part of San Jose, not much money, not much crime, wrong side of the tracks/freeways/airports/etc., with a couple of restaurants and some boat docks and something that was either a junkyard or a boat-building place. One house was never on the market at the right time (the lease cycle was off by six months), little place at the corner of the levees, and from the second floor you could see a large chunk of the marshes and the bottom end of the bay. (It got sold for some outrageous-seeming price, twice what my house in New Jersey had been, and I ended up paying about the same for a condo in Mountain View.) The other was a rambling Victorian that had been owned by a family in the plastering business who kept adding onto it any time they had another kid, with about an acre, a collapsed barn, a not-yet-collapsed barn, and a small house in the back. It was about three times the price of my New Jersey house, once you figure in the cost of jacking it up to add a foundation (:-), but my wife and I would have needed to both be working to be able to afford it, and both be not working to deal with the construction work, and that wasn't really our set of talents. Grandpaw had recently moved them all down to Texas, and the woman who was selling it was one of the inlaws, who told us a lot about the area - Alviso used to flood occasionally before San Jose built the Sharks Arena, but that diverted the local rivers so that the Sharks parking lot would flood instead. The city wanted to fix that, but that would have caused it to flood in Alviso instead, and you're not allowed to do wetlands construction that would cause residential areas to flood, so the city was stuck and folks in Alviso were quite happy about it.

Re:Where's Alviso? (2, Funny)

Gravatron (716477) | about 10 years ago | (#10113246)

Probabaly in the same location as my socks.

Re:Where's Alviso? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113256)

Yep, that's where they're putting the new waste treatment plant, too. The whole freakin' place is a shantytown. It's a little bit of Alabama in the SF Bay Area.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | about 10 years ago | (#10113391)

It's also sinking, a fate this project of the same name hopes to avoid...

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

RackinFrackin (152232) | about 10 years ago | (#10113781)

And Dothan is on Hwy 231, about 100 miles south of Montgomery.

Re:Where's Alviso? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113877)

Alviso is California's verison of HP Lovecrafts town of Innsmouth. Located is the center of the Bay Area, the US Post Office didnt use to deliver there, the residents had to go get their mail. No one knows, or really wants to, who and how many live there(undocumented for generations). It sinks not just of low tide but it serves as San Jose's annus. It was busy and prosperous 100 years ago. Asbestos is whipped up by semi trucks stationed in large contaminated dirt parking lots. There are once pretty, now rundown old houses the dirty sheets for drapes. 30 years age there was a odd ferro-cement boat building frenzy. People, mostly WholeEarthCatalog types, were constructing huge boats, singles, cats, tris, and even a four, a double cat if you will(four equal hulls, three equal wings) with no chance of getting to the water or finishing with no money. Some projects such as a tri with the outriggers(front riggers?) way out ahead of a saucer like main section seemed more late '60s future pop art than seagoing. Some were massive trawler type arks with several decks in the hull and extensive superstuctures designed to handle a commue of hippies. I never saw one get past the unpainted ferro-cement stage. More recently I've noted what appeared to be a mini-sub being constucted from a large propane storage tank approx. 20' x 4'. A RV and junk storage lot contains a Gen. Lee WW II light tank. Val's Italian is said to be a Mob place. The medical clinic(forgot name) paid over a million for software they never used. Some nice Mex food places, used to have a bar were the outside showed the scars of the nightly drunken pick-up demo-derby in the parking lot.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

Epistax (544591) | about 10 years ago | (#10114020)

They name all their code names after place names so that they won't accidentally step on any feet. This didn't turn out so well for Tanglewood because the Boston Pops happens to practice there. Instead of trying to fight it (there's no reason to) they changed it to another town which can be abbreviated TW. Check the inquirer or someone post the new name if you feel so inclined. I won't.

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

atlasheavy (169115) | about 10 years ago | (#10115489)

No no no! Clearly they meant the street! It runs right through Santa Clara University in Santa Clara CA. You can't miss it, just look for the college students passed out in the street. (Full disclosure: my girlfriend went to Santa Clara U). (Full Disclosure 2: I still don't respect most of the people she went to school with). (Full Disclosure 3: One of those fuckers threw up on me once). (Full Disclosure 4: I went to the University of Minnesota, where people had the fucking decency to at least throw up in the hallway, and not on each other).

Re:Where's Alviso? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10116501)

I remember Alviso being almost a non-place when I was a lad over thrity years ago, I find it hard to believe there is anything left to discern it from the much larger cities that surround it. Not that there is much left to discern amongst them anymore anyway !

Back in the war ......

Re:Where's Alviso? (1)

mwood (25379) | about 10 years ago | (#10117798)

And, did they remember to document it this time?

Where ya gonna find the alviso chipset? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113002)

Where ya gonna find the alviso chipset, where ya gonna see... alvi?

Where ya gonna find the alviso chipset? Come and take a look and see!

Under a rock? Noooo!

On the moon? Nuh-uh! ...

Where's Alviso? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113006)

...whenever Alviso's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Alviso?"...

Found it. (-1, Redundant)

Kenja (541830) | about 10 years ago | (#10113009)

Seems that Alviso [epodunk.com] is in the San Jose-Sunnyvale area of California.

Alviso's location (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113017)

Alviso's just north of San Jose, but legally speaking is part of San Jose. Silicon Valley tried to grow north of hwy237 during the .BOOM years, but didn't quite make it, and the predicted swamping of alviso by outsiders didn't quite happen.

Alviso is where TiVO is headquartered.

http://www.alviso.com/ [alviso.com]

Re:Alviso's location (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 10 years ago | (#10113510)

S'funny, I always considered Mountain View and Palo Alto to be part of Silicon Valley, and they're both north of 237.

Re:Alviso's location (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113850)

Yeah, just take 1st street as far as you can, and you'll be in Alviso.

Personally, I would run FAR AWAY from any product codenamed after Alviso. What's next on their list? East Palo Alto? Bayview?

Where's Alviso? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113018)

C'mon, everyone knows it right on the way to Milpitas.

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0Tq T& csz=alviso%2C+ca&country=us&new=1

goatse # 1 fan (-1, Offtopic)

so sue mee (660717) | about 10 years ago | (#10113025)

not p0rn, not offensive

http://www.twelvefifteen.com/images/goatsekid.jp g

Where? (3, Funny)

Fek'Lar (804674) | about 10 years ago | (#10113028)

Take 101 to 237 east until you smell it.

Re:Where? (2, Funny)

Zorilla (791636) | about 10 years ago | (#10113052)

You must be thinking of someplace else. Bakersfield doesn't have a chipset named after it yet.

Re:Where? (1)

Fek'Lar (804674) | about 10 years ago | (#10113139)

Alviso is home of our sewage treatment plant. Pitty, 100 years ago it was a resort, and we shit all over it.

RTFA (5, Funny)

cephyn (461066) | about 10 years ago | (#10113033)

RTFA. Pay your respects. Many Dothans died for this information.

Geographical Name Jokes Asside (3, Interesting)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 10 years ago | (#10113050)

My guess is that Dothan may be held up as well pending GX-NX flag compatibility, without which there's no way to take full advantage of XP SP2 anyway and so nobody will buy.

So far it appears to be MIA (1)

daishin (753851) | about 10 years ago | (#10113053)

It was a brave one, he was first lieutenant of Alpha company, he was of major aid to Operation: "Processor Freedom" and will be greatly missed.

Why is Alviso? (1)

usefool (798755) | about 10 years ago | (#10113070)

Maybe the lack of Alviso indicates Intel's trying to figure if Alviso is what they need to secure the market share.

And maybe this DDR2 and fastest FSB (higher GHz?) aren't what the consumers are looking for at the moment.

Re:Why is Alviso? (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | about 10 years ago | (#10113189)

If you check out most of Intel's latest mobile push (Centrino) you will notice that they are centered more on efficiency and power saving. I can run my Dothan based Centrino laptop for almost 4 hours and still get good performance out of it, even though the CPU is 1GHz slower than when at full speed. Intel can see that people want this, not faster and faster GHz (for a mobile anyway).

Re:Why is Alviso? (1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | about 10 years ago | (#10115369)

This is the second person posting here questioning the value of DDR2 in a laptop. That was covered in the article. DDR2 runs at a lower voltage than the DDR used in i855-based notebooks(1.8v vs 2.5v). It consumes less power and produces less heat. so, yes, that is what consumers are looking for at the moment.

Quietly being Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113072)

According to the FA, it seems that most of the technologies the new laptop chipset will enable are grossly overrated, wildly overpriced, and won't generally be worthwhile for laptop owners not running Longhorn (now due in Q4'06). The article concludes "Silicon is supposed to be shipping in late Q4. Typically, it takes 6 weeks after that for products to show up in retail making use of that technology."

So where's that chipset? Right where it's supposed to be from the looks of it. Imagine that.

Re:Quietly being Useless (3, Funny)

Zorilla (791636) | about 10 years ago | (#10113102)

it seems that most of the technologies the new laptop chipset will enable are grossly overrated, wildly overpriced, and won't generally be worthwhile for laptop owners not running Longhorn

Naturally, Sony will be all over this one.

Re:Quietly being Useless (1)

DMOS (809522) | about 10 years ago | (#10115618)

You're quite correct up until the last two sentences. It's already been delayed a few times. In the original scenario, both Dothan and Alviso were supposed to be released together in 2003. Almost a year later we now find one of them in retail, with the other MIA (delayed twice more). I fully understand product delays, especially considering the "issues" surrounding Intel's 90nm process. But the CPU has long since been as fixed as it's going to be. The question is, where's it's dancing partner?

Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (4, Insightful)

MsGeek (162936) | about 10 years ago | (#10113089)

Intel has always been somewhat embarrassed about the Pentium M series of microprocessors. Basically a Pentium M, whether a Banias or Dothan, (both of which are named after rivers in Israel) is more an heir of the Pentium III architecture than the P4. Yet, the Pentium M, clock for clock, does more work and stays cooler than the P4.

A Pentium M desktop would be great, and it looks like Alviso is that very desktop. It would be ideal for quiet media boxes and transportable LAN party machines. However, I am sure that one of the reasons why Intel is dragging its feet is this: to put out a desktop Pentium M board would be an admission of just how much of a disappointment the P4 architecture has been.

Perhaps Intel should look towards Micro-ITX and Nano-ITX applications of this technology as well. I'm sure that the existing Centrino chipset would be ideal for such mini-boxen.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

networkBoy (774728) | about 10 years ago | (#10113147)

Banias or Dothan, (both of which are named after rivers in Israel)
not surprising given Intel's penchant for naming things after geographical landmarks, and the fact that a large portion of the design team being in Israel

A Pentium M desktop would be great, and it looks like Alviso is that very desktop.
While I agree on the first part, there is no reason it can't be done with the current chipsets, just add a miniPCI NIC for the A/B/G 802.11 access. The reason I don't agree about the chipset, if you add full size PCIe video then you no longer have light weight, low power, or small size (due to power requirements of the video card being higher that those of the MB)

Intel should look towards Micro-ITX and Nano-ITX applications [...] ideal for such mini-boxen.
with you 100% here
-nB

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | about 10 years ago | (#10113215)

Actually, it's the Dells of the world that prevent the Pentium M from being on the desktop. There is a premium for bying a Pentium M processor (not as massivily produced as P4's are), and the desktop manufacturers dont' want to pay that premium for a desktop chip. As for Intel releasing their own chipset/mobo for a desktop Pentium M, I think Intel believes there wouldn't be much of a market for them, so they don't produce them. But in no way is Intel "embarrassed" that the Pentium M is a good chip and thus are actively trying to keep it off the desktop. Money is money, and Intel (like any other business) will make money where they can.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

Crazy Eight (673088) | about 10 years ago | (#10115820)

As for Intel releasing their own chipset/mobo for a desktop Pentium M, I think Intel believes there wouldn't be much of a market for them, so they don't produce them.

Hmmm, I don't know if I completely agree there. The Pentium-M has been integrated into blades and is listed on Intel's site as having the support of thier E7501 chipset -- since they know it can kick ass. Just yesterday I found a comparison of Dothan with current P4 and A64 cpus that was really amazing (google for "DFI" and "Dothan", then hit translate -- it's a French site). This chip can hold it's own and even out-perform in some cases the latest P4. The rub is that Dothan can do it with a TDP of 21W vs ~100W for a P4EE. That's a pretty big difference in the bogomips-per-heat-waste department. I agree that they aren't "embarassed" and will follow the money, but part of that might include limiting chipset support (thus far) to parts with AGP 4X or ATA-100 for the same reason the P3 couldn't do SMP "officially". There might be more money in keeping different product lines from cannibalizing each others markets prematurely than in selling something the tinkerers would go ape shit over today. I don't know if that's the case here for Intel, but they must know there's a lot of interest in this chip. IIRC, they've already planned on letting the Pentium-M core supercede the P4 though that may be just a rumor. If so, perhaps they want to wait for the introduction of something dramatic like dual core chips to make the retirement of the P4 more natural. Until then you've got dorks like myself googling up rumors of Shuttle releasing a SFF Pentium-M system and finding old usenet posts by people wondering about Banias and SMP.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 years ago | (#10113217)

not that far fetched, it would make much more sense on desktop anyways than their balls-cut-off-celeron line does anyways... internal politics..

btw good sig, i'm all for it too(the first thing anwyays, can't affect the second myself).

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

networkBoy (774728) | about 10 years ago | (#10113243)

not that far fetched, it would make much more sense on desktop anyways than their balls-cut-off-celeron line does anyways... internal politics..
NOT internal politics . . . business
The M costs more to produce than the Celeron
The point of the Celeron is to be cheap, not low power.
bad argument.

-nB

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | about 10 years ago | (#10113374)

I don't think they're really ashamed of it; I just don't think they expected their dedicated desktop chips to be such poor performers (with regards to clockspeed and leakage) in this regard.

IIRC Intel already scrapped Tejas (the even more absurdly clocked successor to the P4 Prescott) and are basing at least some of their future desktop chips offof the P4-M core, simply because it isn't plagued by the leakage/heat issues of the current P4 line.

So I think "ashamed" is a bit of a misnomer... unprepared would be better.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 10 years ago | (#10113605)

It seems detractors like to harp on IPC drawbacks of the P4. The instructions per cycle comparison really doesn't hold much water. I don't think Intel intended for the P4 to have a higher IPC than its predecessors.

The Netburst trick did hold out for a couple years in giving better peak performance than AMD, and that I will give it, because Intel did keep a fair lead in high-end performance for that long with Netburst. IIRC, back when Intel had introduced the 3.06 GHz chip, AMD was just releasing their 2600+. It didn't give them enough lead to compete effectively against the Athlon 64 though.

A Pentium M reformulated to desktop would be nice though. The low power fabbing itself is probably a drawback in terms of cost, although I can see the low power being a benefit even given the added cost, especially in IT where every watt consumed costs money, and also in terms of keeping the AC going to remove that extra heat.

Re Centrino (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10114698)

I'm sure that the existing Centrino chipset would be ideal for such mini-boxen.

And of course, Centrino is only a few miles from Alviso -- it's the corner of DeAnza and Stevens Creek, just off I280 and south of the Apple main campus.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

mercuryresearch (680293) | about 10 years ago | (#10115057)

You can have Pentium M desktops now -- I'm posting from one. They're not cheap, however.

My primary PC uses a Lippert "Thunderbird" mini-ITX Pentium M motherboard. Unfortunately this is not by any means cheap, as it's ~$1K for the mobo w/ CPU. However, you can make a very fast, very low power, very small, near-silent PC using it, and those extra features were worth the cost [for me]. I can't imagine a mainstream desktop manufacturer would accept the cost premium associated with this particular technology (yes, they could get a motherboard MUCH cheaper, but the CPUs still carry a signficant price premium over their desktop counterparts.)

Secondly, it's highly doubtful Alviso is delayed due to some desktop dream. Alviso is rumored to support a faster CPU bus interface -- which is rumored to show up on CPUs that won't be coming out until early next year. So the delay is more of a packaging issue -- the delays could be due to either the new CPUs or the chip set, but you need both for a viable platform.

Re:Pentium M: Intel's secret shame... (1)

DMOS (809522) | about 10 years ago | (#10115584)

They are planning to shunt these into rack mounted servers. Why? As you mentioned, heat and power consumption. Supporting a faster bus is easy. Intel's qualification is so good that most of their chipsets support a bus speed one or two steps above the one they are rated for. i845 went from 100MHz in the original P4's right up to the current 200MHz (clock, not effective speed *which would be 800MHz in IntelSpeak*).

The P4 heat indeed calls for a new sticker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10115533)

... InHell Inside ;-)

It's one of the most miserable places (2, Informative)

ramakant (256472) | about 10 years ago | (#10113093)

Alviso [alviso.org] is right on the Southern tip of the San Francisco Bay. It's mostly abandoned but for a few hold outs like Vahl's [sanjose.com] Restaurant. There's an bartender named Frank there who's straight out of a Rat Pack movie. Ask him to do some magic tricks for you.
Most of Alviso is now a briney marsh due to redirection of Bay water, dikes, and nearby salt evaporation pools. On summer evenings, the sound of crickets and frogs in the reeds can be deafening.
For those brave enough to visit, it's off the 237 next to Tivo [tivo.com] 's office.

The real question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113112)

What is a moblile computer?

I know, I know! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113125)

Just behind Waldo.

Where's Alviso? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113135)

Alviso has left the building.

tivo, juniper, and ME (1)

sPaKr (116314) | about 10 years ago | (#10113176)

yes I work in alviso!

Alviso is next to Sunnnyvale! (0, Redundant)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | about 10 years ago | (#10113177)

The city of Alviso [alviso.com] is a little known community that borders on Sunnyvale. Some of TiVo's offices are located there.

Re:Alviso is next to Sunnnyvale! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10114727)

Mod Parent UP! This wasn't redundant! This guy was the only one who posted the official link to Alviso (which smells like dirty swampwater.)

Alviso is a dump and a waste treatment plant (4, Informative)

t0qer (230538) | about 10 years ago | (#10113181)

Seriously.

I've seen many posts on "where's alviso" but lets take a moment to talk about what alviso really is.

Alviso used to be a boat landing for "The Valley of Hearts Delights" elite long before it became the foul smelling place that it is today. Santa Clara County built a sewage treatment plant there, and coincidentally, the elite did not like mooring up to a dock that constantly smelled like human excrement.

Later the alviso landfill was built, to even further add to the cornicopia of smells that arose from that stinky marsh.

Eventually alviso was populated by low income families (GANG BANGERS) and the SJ Norte's. The whole town fell into complete disrepair and despite the cities best efforts to convert it into a low lease technology park, it still remains what it is.

The armpit of silicon valley.

The armpit of silicon valley (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10115083)

You mean a future windfall if you invest in properties that will surely be gentrified.

1. Find ghetto.
2. Buy.
3. Wire with Ethernet.
4. ???
5. Profit!

Re:The armpit of silicon valley (1)

cot (87677) | about 10 years ago | (#10115556)

It would have worked if you bought land in East Palo Alto 5-10 years ago. That place is still scary, but now it's both the residents AND the housing costs that make it scary.

Re:Alviso is a dump and a waste treatment plant (1)

funwithBSD (245349) | about 10 years ago | (#10115231)

Hey! we used to call it "Alviso by the Sea" when the tides were in.

Alviso is a quirky little town amid the sprawl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10115612)

If you'd been there recently you'd have noticed that they've built new houses which I'm told sell for $700,000.
Alviso is also home to a marina invaded by grass (makes for cool pictures [sanjose.com] ), an abandoned cannery, a Yacht club, and Maria Elena's and Vahl's. It's an oasis of history and quirkiness in an area that sorely lacks it. Check out Eric Carlson's great series of articles about Alviso [sanjose.com]
It's also been the name of my desktop computer for four years and I whish Intel had not chosen it :-(

Trollaxor is dead! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113195)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - homoerotic fiction writer Trollaxor was found dead in his Kansas City home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to trolling subculture. Truly an American icon.

god you people are impatient and stupid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113224)

haven't you stupid open source faggots heard of product cycles? why fucking replace a new chipset right away, making the current one almost worthless to a consumer?

Dothans came out in May 04, that's bearly a 4 month product cycle. I'd say it would be premature for another chipset even at christmas.

btw f linux.

Intel already upgraded to 802.11g (2, Informative)

SynKKnyS (534257) | about 10 years ago | (#10113239)

From the article:

Next in the Centrino is its Wi-Fi ability. Currently, Centrino makes use of the 802.11b standard. In Sonoma, that's being upgraded to 802.11g.

The author fails to note that Intel has already released the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG (802.11g) and that it is a Centrino component.

My laptop has one from the factory and is badged "Centrino."

Well there's the problem.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113247)

...but where is the rest of the 'Sonoma' platform? Specifically, the 'Alviso' chipset...

They think Alviso is in Sonoma county. Wrong end of the bay. Aim for Santa Clara county and you'll find it.

Why would they name anything after Alviso? (1)

Colonel Panic (15235) | about 10 years ago | (#10113266)

Alviso is in the extreme north part of San Jose up against the southernmost part of SanFrancisco Bay.

It is often referred to as the 'armpit of the Bay'. I haven't been there in 10 years, but back then it was a very slummy area. There was a good Mexican Restaurant there that we used to visit occassionally, though.

also subject to flooding (1)

Colonel Panic (15235) | about 10 years ago | (#10113284)

...also, didn't they have trouble with flooding in Alviso every few years?

not any more (was: also subject to flooding) (1)

ikluft (1284) | about 10 years ago | (#10115371)

They've finished the levees. That was one of the "promises" that the City of San Jose made to Alviso in exchange for annexing it in the 1970's. The promise remained broken for two decades until Silicon Valley construction made its way far enough into North San Jose to the edge of Alviso.

Now with the flood control projects completed, there is more construction occurring in Alviso. Lots of new condos. And they just finished a new power plant there.

San Jose also bought out the Cargill salt evaporator ponds adjacent to Alviso, jumping in on part of the state deal buying up most of those ponds in San Francisco Bay. Perhaps San Jose is making long-term plans to revive the Alviso Marina? Just a hunch. But for now the levees around the salt ponds make great bicycle paths that take you to the southern tip of San Francisco Bay.

Re:Why would they name anything after Alviso? (1)

n6mod (17734) | about 10 years ago | (#10113574)

Maria Elena's is still there, and I suspect is most of the reason for the name of this chipset (easy trip from Intel Santa Clara for lunch).

The chipset doubtless sank into the mud like the rest of town.

To the siblings point, yes it floods. If you've ever been there, you'd know that sea level is a vague concept out there.

-Z

Re:Why would they name anything after Alviso? (1)

Snarph (596331) | about 10 years ago | (#10114136)

Maria Elena's is still there

Ah, yeah. Probably the best (only?) reason to visit Alviso.

Dothans, et al (2, Informative)

jd (1658) | about 10 years ago | (#10113324)

The Dothan system is very interesting. I've been developing for it, for about 4 months now, as part of some contract work I was doing for Intel.


(Btw, cheap plug: If you know anyone hiring programmers, system admins, network admins or Linux coders in the Portland, Oregon region, I have plenty of experience in all of the above, and am looking for work. Here endeth the cheap plug.)


I won't mention any specifics, but I had a number of problems coaxing Fedora to run on a Dothan board, under stress. The Linux 2.4 kernel was the worst for just locking up solid, but I locked up the 2.6 kernel on a daily basis under conditions I would have expected it to work.


It's hard to tell if the problems were with the Dothan board or with Fedora, or with some combination of the two. Also, I was using an early development board, so there's no certainty (without testing) that the problems exist in the released system.


If you're wanting to use Dothan with Linux for development, I would advise against using the Linux 2.4 kernel at all, and would suggest testing a little more thoroughly than you might otherwise do to make sure everything is working as you'd expect.

Next up: The East Palo Alto chipset (1)

Colonel Panic (15235) | about 10 years ago | (#10113327)

So now that they've named a chipset after Alviso, the next logical name for them to use is 'East PaloAlto', followed by 'Oakland'.

They were naming things after rivers, now they're using slum towns of California.

Re:Next up: The East Palo Alto chipset (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 10 years ago | (#10113523)

Oakland may get a bad press but I have friends there who I stay with sometimes. It's actually kinda cool, Lake Merrit's a nice place to go for a walk and is pretty close to downtown, and the place is full of artistic and bohemian people that spill over from Berkeley. Shame how downtown's almost as dead as San Jose though.

Re:Next up: The East Palo Alto chipset (1)

Colonel Panic (15235) | about 10 years ago | (#10113607)

Oakland may get a bad press but I have friends there who I stay with sometimes. It's actually kinda cool, Lake Merrit's a nice place to go for a walk and is pretty close to downtown, and the place is full of artistic and bohemian people that spill over from Berkeley.

Yeah, I hear it's been changing in recent years so I shouldn't call it a 'slum'.

Actually, the way you describe it (artistic and bohemian people) it's probably a lot more interesting than the endless sameness of the San Jose/Santa Clara/Sunnyvale (Silicon Valley) suburbia.

Sorry... First it will be the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10114072)

King and Story Road chipset

I had a girlfriend who bought a house there back in the late 70's.

Whew... what a neighborhood, and I had a friend who was restoring a boat in Alviso Harbor, which isn't bad as many seen to think.

And I've been in EPA (East Palo Alto) plenty of times, and King and Story have them beat Hands Down, at least 15 years ago they did.

ICH4m? (0, Offtopic)

JessLeah (625838) | about 10 years ago | (#10113645)

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Alviso - Some damned good places to eat (0, Offtopic)

Dosco Jones (675737) | about 10 years ago | (#10113686)

Take North 1st street across 237 and keep heading north. There's a small golf course with a driving range, and a number of restaurants further down the road. The Pin High at the golf course has pretty decent burgers. Maria's has some very excellent Mexican food, cold beer, and lunch specials every day. Andiamo is an Italian Mexican restaurant. The menus are split right down the middle. Check it out. Rosita's is a small deli you'll miss the first two times you look for it, even though it's right there on the main road into Alviso. Look under the big power lines. Say hi to grandma. They're open early for breakfast. Don't be a wuss. Check the place out.

Re:Alviso - Some damned good places to eat (1)

Dosco Jones (675737) | about 10 years ago | (#10113702)

Oh yeah, and Vahl's sucks. Scary bad. Go across the street to Maria's.

Cali Ghettos as Chipsets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10113724)

Personally, I'm going to wait until the Compton based motherboards come up before I upgrade. I sure hope they find a way to make the chips neutral-colored instead of that green. Well, you should be fine as long as large groups of people wearing red don't see your mobo.

OK, I couldn't help making this picture (2, Funny)

JessLeah (625838) | about 10 years ago | (#10113752)

Where's Alviso? [twu.net]

(hint for the cluebies: You are seeking out THIS [mapquest.com] street map, around 8 feet tall, standing among the peeps.)

mod] u4 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10115071)

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Is this a /. variation... (1)

IronChefMorimoto (691038) | about 10 years ago | (#10115180)

Is this a /. variation on Where's Waldo?

What's the trick? Pick the pasty white guy with last season's Stein Mart casual Fridays outfit from the crowd of business people?

Sigh...if I were Alviso, the Where's Alviso books would be pop-up style -- find the guy with the computer nerd gut. :-(

IronChefMorimoto

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Follow your nose! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10115538)

You can't miss it especially this time of year. Head down or up 880 to around 237. Once you're there it's unmistakeably clear. Turn upwind and you'll find it.

This is fitting.... (1)

ztwilight (549428) | about 10 years ago | (#10115549)

Since Alviso is practically a ghost town in Silicon Valley now (if such a thing is even possible), less desirable a place to live than even East Palo Alto.

Re:This is fitting.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10116174)

It is possible. Just north of Alviso, there is an honest-to-goodness ghost town...Drawbridge. [ghosttowns.com]
It's mostly inaccessable, which is why it's still there.

Dothan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10116463)

Dothan is an ancient town in Israel (look in Genesis where Joseph's brothers' abandon him). I know this because I am from Dothan, but in Alabama.......
It is named after the biblical town.
Use I-65 or I-85 to get to Montgomery, travel South on U.S. Hwy 231 about 90 miles. OR use I-10 and get off at the Marianna, FL exit, and go North on U.S. Hwy 231 about 30-40 miles.
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