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BBC Launches Downloaded Music Charts

michael posted about 10 years ago | from the casey-casum dept.

Music 206

PReDiToR writes "The BBC today aired its first chart rundown of downloaded music. 'The Official UK Download Chart is based on the most popular, legally downloaded tracks in the UK. It's compiled from the sale of permanently owned single track downloads and doesn't include streamed downloads, subscriptions or free downloads.' The Chart played on Radio 1, the UK's most listened to station, and will be a regular feature."

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A Hit Chart... (3, Funny)

darth_MALL (657218) | about 10 years ago | (#10133702)

From the country that brought us the Spice Girls. No Thanks.

Re:A Hit Chart... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133714)

the bbc sucks

Re:A Hit Chart... (5, Insightful)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | about 10 years ago | (#10133715) well as The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and every other band that matters.

Re:A Hit Chart... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133721)


Re:A Hit Chart... (2, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | about 10 years ago | (#10134424)

Reminds me of a friend who watched the Grammys with his 10-yr old son. When Dire Straits won an award he turned to his dad and said, "where do they get these judges anyway? Generation A?"

Re:A Hit Chart... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133779)

Those bands are all gay.

Re:A Hit Chart... (4, Funny)

Gooba42 (603597) | about 10 years ago | (#10133952)

Despite your beliefs on the matter, you don't actually have to be gay to have taste.

It is refreshing to see you use the phrase in a positive manner though.

Re:A Hit Chart... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133915)

The Beatles were overrated.

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133973)

I agree, Ringo Star's assassination was the best thing that ever happened.

Re:A Hit Chart... (4, Insightful)

Stween (322349) | about 10 years ago | (#10133957)

... Pink Floyd ...

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133986)

... Rush ...

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134011)

... Rush ...

... Canadian ...

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133966)

hej, you forgot Sweden [] ! ;-)

Re:A Hit Chart... (4, Interesting)

Infonaut (96956) | about 10 years ago | (#10134397)

every other band that matters

Including the only band that mattered [] .

The British impact on popular music over the last fifty years is arguably greater than that of any country in the world, including the US.

Re:A Hit Chart... (4, Funny)

panaceaa (205396) | about 10 years ago | (#10135008)

What about Sweden??? Come on man, they brought us ABBA, The Cardigans AND Ace of Base!!!

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134756)

...Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, ... :)

Re:A Hit Chart... (3, Insightful)

ambienceman (721763) | about 10 years ago | (#10134824)

Let's not forget Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead, Roni Size, Sneaker Pimps, and so many more...

Re:A Hit Chart... (3, Funny)

schtum (166052) | about 10 years ago | (#10134923)

Sorry, most of us already have.

FLAME ME!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133738)

feel free to flame []

Re:A Hit Chart... (5, Insightful)

dpfau (803123) | about 10 years ago | (#10133741)

Not to mention The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, The Clash, The Smiths...

I can keep going.

Re:A Hit Chart... (2, Funny)

dykofone (787059) | about 10 years ago | (#10133821)

Hmm, I think I've only heard of Led Zeppelin. He's pretty good though, right?

Re:A Hit Chart... (1)

RWerp (798951) | about 10 years ago | (#10134388)

Pink Floyd. Now rewrite it 100 times: "I will not skip Pink Floyd when listing great bands of XXth century".

Re:A Hit Chart... (5, Funny)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 10 years ago | (#10133885)

Yeah. I'd rather have a chart from the country that brought us Britney Spears, such prolific artists as Vanilla Ice, and a legion of sentimental teenage dramas.


A SHit Chart... (3, Insightful)

Sad Loser (625938) | about 10 years ago | (#10133967)

The Spice Girls are a good example, as they were a manufactured band, and this chart is designed to give official validation to a 'chart' that will be even easier for the big labels to manipulate.

The BBC's independence doesn't quite extend to DJs and producers being able to resist big bribes by labels wanting to get their songs onto playlists. Ever wonder why Radio One DJs have big houses and lots of cars? Let's face it, it's not because they are talented.

The BBC has the resources to look at doing a far more interesting chart of what people are really wanting to listen to, by sampling p2p networks, but haven't got the imagination or balls to follow through, as for some reason they are beholden to the big labels.

I pay my licence fee for independence from state interference, how about freedom from big business interference?

Re:A Hit Chart... (0, Redundant)

wankledot (712148) | about 10 years ago | (#10133978)

I'd rather have charts from the people that brought be Britney Spears, The Backstreet Boys, NKOTB, Color me Badd, and Kenny G. Horse. Dead. Beaten.

Re:A Hit Chart... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134235)

You're really asking for it eh? You keep whining and we'll get the CBC to publish a Hit Chart for you. You're complaining about the Spice Girls now, wait till you see Celine Dion, Brian Adams and yes... William shatner!

Re:A Hit Chart... (1)

Amenic (792064) | about 10 years ago | (#10134582)

Brilliant comment. I'm looking forward to more of them. Keep up the good work.

Good Statistic?? (5, Insightful)

artlu (265391) | about 10 years ago | (#10133706)

Can this be a reasonably good statistic? Most of the music that I listen to online either comes from online radio stations, Poisoned (mac app), or iTunes. What clout would this have over any other song statistics? [] - Stock Forum

Re:Good Statistic?? (2, Informative)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 10 years ago | (#10133933)

The Radio 1 chart is the standard chart by which all UK hits have been measured since the 1960s. There are a few other UK charts out there, but they are unimportant in comparison. You need to be number 1 on the Radio 1 chart to be considered an official number 1 song.

This new download chart is from the same place, so can be considered official as far at the UK industry and music fans will be concerned.

On top of that it is compiled from multiple online music stores, and will presumably be monitored for abuse by any company trying to manipulate the result, just as the main chart is.

Re:Good Statistic?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134430)

You're right!! It SUX. Like everything else SUX!! Why do they even BOTHER?!? Everything SUX!!

Wouldn't it be cool (4, Interesting)

shfted! (600189) | about 10 years ago | (#10133719)

Wouldn't it be cool to link such a list to bittorrent for automatic downloading? That way, you'd get fresh music that's supposedly good every day. I'd love it. And it would be user selected music -- not the crap the recording industry feels like feeding us this week.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (2, Interesting)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 10 years ago | (#10133734)

Did you read the list ?

It's all manafactured stuff, some british some american but no real good music.#

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (2, Informative)

Varitek (210013) | about 10 years ago | (#10133810)

Did you read the list ?
Have you heard of all of the list?
It's all manafactured stuff
No, of course you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't have called Goldie Lookin' Chain 'manufactured'

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (2, Interesting)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 10 years ago | (#10133828)

I have heard of all the list.

I was a little too quick criticise, not all of it is bad, actually I rate Maroon 5 quite highly. Most of it however is crap.

As for goldie lookin chain, I'm still not sure whether they are a joke or not, it wouldn't surprise if in a few months time we find out that they are all ali g style comedians.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | about 10 years ago | (#10133861)

Well, Goldie Looking Chain's next song, allegedly, will be "You Mother Has A Penis".

And they're Welsh I believe, so I'm guessing parody is pretty likely.


Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 10 years ago | (#10133905)

Well, Goldie Looking Chain's next song, allegedly, will be "You Mother Has A Penis".

And they're Welsh I believe, so I'm guessing parody is pretty likely.

You never know with the welsh though...

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (5, Informative)

emm-tee (23371) | about 10 years ago | (#10133984)

Yeah, they entertain. They wouldn't claim anything else. They come from a shit town, and they take the piss out of it, themselves, and anyone else that strays near. They've been making records for years, giving them to their mates, having a laugh.

Now the media has picked up on the comedy (and genius), so they get their moment of fame. I think they're pretty realistic about it though. As they say, they're out for a laugh, they fully expect to be back working the tills in supermarkets before long.

They're fucking funny though. If you don't knows it, download some of their stuff, it's funny as fuck. Their website is [] .

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (3, Insightful)

colinramsay (603167) | about 10 years ago | (#10133963)

Jesus Fucking Christ, I'm sick of you indie kids. Just because something is "manufactured" doesn't make it BAD. Half the shit that you listen to will be as contrived as Avril or Britney, and the thing is you don't even realise it!

Meanwhile Avril releases Don't Tell me and Britney releases Toxic and obliterates virtually every release this year that meets your cool quotient but you've got your head stuck too far up your ass to realise it.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (3, Insightful)

g-doo (714869) | about 10 years ago | (#10134944)

Exactly. Finally, another person who understands. Honestly, part of the reason why people keep classifying this manufactured music as bad is because other people claim that it's bad. It's just the cool thing to do. The power of influence can really blind you over what's really your own opinion and what isn't. These artists don't hit the top of the charts because everyone hates them. Think about it.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

javaxman (705658) | about 10 years ago | (#10134044)

Aww, c'mon. I mean, it is Green Day, but at least "American Idiot" is the best song they've managed to put out since, well, they got big... not that I'm a huge Green Day fan, mind you, but that's a half-decent song your slammin', I'm impressed it's even on *any* top 10 list... it *almost* sounds like an actual punk band ;-)

I mean, it's a top 10 list, fer cryin' out loud, what did you *think* would be on it?

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

Cassius105 (623098) | about 10 years ago | (#10134062)

Muse aint manufactured

though im not sure if they have an presence in america at all so ill forgive you :P

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

grape jelly (193168) | about 10 years ago | (#10133737)

That'd be kind of ironic, wouldn't it? Using a list that basically advocates the legitimate use of electronic disemination of music to illegally download music.... Or am I missing something?

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (2, Insightful)

shfted! (600189) | about 10 years ago | (#10133775)

Well, this would work for freely available music just as well. A subscription service could also easily be implemented for "paid" charts. I think it would fly well, as you wouldn't have to remember the song played on the radio, and it would all happen automatically. I wonder how long it will take Apple to integrate such an idea into iTunes.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

mealtime_warrior (785122) | about 10 years ago | (#10133748)

Except for the fact that the 'supposedly good' music would be selected by 14 year old girls.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 10 years ago | (#10133960)

I'm not so sure. That was traditionally the problem with the Radio 1 chart, but that was because the teens typically bought singles, and more mature people bought CDs (and LPs before them). But now with the online music stores most people I think most people buy singles again, regardless of age. Could make for a much broader demographic to influence the chart.

Of course that doesn't mean it won't all be manufactured crap, just not 14 year old girl selected crap.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (2, Interesting)

joeldixon66 (808412) | about 10 years ago | (#10133778)

I'd prefer to see the top 20 "illegally" downloaded songs. The top 20 provided is a little too posh pop for my liking.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (3, Funny)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | about 10 years ago | (#10133813)

The top 20 provided is a little too posh pop for my liking.

I guess you just don't realize that Avril Lavigne is NOT a pop star. She's an Ar-teest'. You can just feel her angst and pain as she sings every one of her heart felt lyrcs.

Oh, you're right. Who am I kidding? At least Outkast made the list.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1)

Psymunn (778581) | about 10 years ago | (#10133852)

yeah because 'hey yah' is really underground and counter culture. i mean, i do love outkast, and it was awesome that they had a super popular song (pitty it made it onto every genre radio station, every hour of every day). I thought it was cool that Muse was on there, personally.

Re:Wouldn't it be cool (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133870)

really underground and counter culture

Maybe you missed the point of the list. It was to show the "most popular" downloads. Once a song makes it to a "most popular" list it is, by definition, no longer a list of underground and counter culture songs.

More Information (5, Insightful)

Feneric (765069) | about 10 years ago | (#10133725)

It would be nice if they posted a bit more info. Like for example exactly how the figures are tabulated -- is it a straight weekly sum, or are past results worked in somehow either through strict accumulation or a weighted average... Furthermore, do audio books get tossed into the mix (not that one is apt to win)? It would also be neat to see what formats people were downloading the music in.

Re:More Information (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | about 10 years ago | (#10133842)

...and then we could use Tableau [] to give us a nice pretty picture of all that data!

Re:More Information (2, Insightful)

emm-tee (23371) | about 10 years ago | (#10133924)

Well, if it's anything like the UK singles chart, (also reported on Radio 1), it's simply sales. Nothing else - no airplay, nothing, just the sales of the week in question.

Like most people, I don't believe that what people buy is necessarilly a guide to quality, but at least it's not influenced by corporation or radio station policy. It's a fair measure in an imperfect world.

(Yes I've just come back from the pub)

The problem with the chart is... (3, Insightful)

happyhippy (526970) | about 10 years ago | (#10133729)

..that all the sites are stacked with crap pop music and have hardly any decent real proper music on them.

Re:The problem with the chart is... (1)

Gaima (174551) | about 10 years ago | (#10133749)

A bit like the normal singles chart then? :)

Re:The problem with the chart is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133838)

Why do people always have to conflate their opinions with what is "decent and proper"?

Re:The problem with the chart is... (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 10 years ago | (#10133922)

..that all the sites are stacked with crap pop music and have hardly any decent real proper music on them.

I'm sure myself and others hate the top 40 manufactured rubbish as much you do, but the fact remains that such music is very popular amongst a lot of people, and any decent chart sampling the general population is going to reflect that.

Re:The problem with the chart is... (1)

Repton (60818) | about 10 years ago | (#10134215)

Ahh, what would slashdot be without people competing to be more-elitist-than-thou?

Yeah, I was listening to [band name] back when all they had was their grandfather's guitar and some rocks to bang together. They were good then. Shame they sold out. Now I only listen to dreadlocked accountants playing ultra-Nu-experimental hip-hop blues. You philistines just don't realise how utterly crap the stuff you enjoy really is.

I feel old (3, Funny)

rjstanford (69735) | about 10 years ago | (#10133754)

I just realized that out of those twenty songs, I recognized exactly ... none of them. Sheesh. And I even listen to the radio (Jack FM in Dallas, KGSR in Austin) - I guess my musical tastes aren't anywhere close to mainstream any more.

Re:I feel old (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 10 years ago | (#10133903)

I guess my musical tastes aren't anywhere close to mainstream any more.

As long as you don't start wearing ironic t-shirts and black-framed glasses you'll be fine.

Re:I feel old (1)

kid-noodle (669957) | about 10 years ago | (#10134023)

Don't be insulting my glasses now.. These glasses cost me a while thirty pounds.

Re:I feel old (5, Funny)

Frogbert (589961) | about 10 years ago | (#10134034)

Don't worry they are exactly the same as the ones you know, just with rap lyrics.

Re:I feel old (2, Insightful)

emm-tee (23371) | about 10 years ago | (#10134052)

Excuse me from jumping to conclusions, but your use of "sheesh" may indicate that you are not from the UK.

It's a UK chart.

Fortunately, the entire English speaking world does not listen to the same music. I assume there is not a large non-UK audience for The Streets, Keane, Goldie Lookin' Chain, however good they may be.

Re:I feel old (1)

rjstanford (69735) | about 10 years ago | (#10134230)

Excuse me from jumping to conclusions, but your use of "sheesh" may indicate that you are not from the UK.

Ironically enough, I am from the UK - born in Leicester, grew up outside of Bedford. I'm currently in Texas, US. Rather than language analysis, I would point to the inclusion of "Austin" (might be missed) and "Dallas" (pretty obvious) in my post, along with the fact that I blithely disregarded the fact that anyone wouldn't know (or care) in which country those were in. That's much better evidence that I'm not from the UK than the use of the word "sheesh". Even though, as I said, I am. Which just goes to show, its a rum old world.

I wonder... (5, Insightful)

jmcmunn (307798) | about 10 years ago | (#10133761)

I wonder how long it takes for music companies or artists to artifically inflate the "legal downloads" of their music so that people think it is "popular" when they hear it on the radio on the Top 20.

And of course once it is "popular" people will start buying it to see what the fuss is about, thus selling more. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but it seems like another way to get the same stuff to sell even more. Oh well.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133866)

Well people are exposed to all the popular tracks in the mainstream media and other charts, thats why so much of it's in the download charts as well, their a little better... but I don't bother listening to the charts in the uk, their rubbish!

Re:I wonder... (1)

Dr Reducto (665121) | about 10 years ago | (#10133897)

I wonder if a free single of the week in iTunes counts as a purchase, because if it does, Record companies will start giving away songs to get them up in the rankings.

Re:I wonder... (1)

panaceaa (205396) | about 10 years ago | (#10135028)

It doesn't look like they need to. All the artists on the list are already signed to major labels.

Nitpick alert (4, Informative)

T-Kir (597145) | about 10 years ago | (#10133766)

I RTA earlier, but IIRC Radio 2 is the most listened to radio station in the UK, not Radio 1.

Yes I know, nitpick alert... but the subject matter is relating to chart positions :-)

Re:Nitpick alert (4, Informative)

ed_g2s (598342) | about 10 years ago | (#10133867)

YRC: Radio 1: 9.73 million Radio 2: 13.43 million Radio 3: 2.02 million Radio 4: 9.51 million Radio Five Live: 6.15 million

Re:Nitpick alert (1)

PReDiToR (687141) | about 10 years ago | (#10133875)


Re:Nitpick alert (1)

dotwaffle (610149) | about 10 years ago | (#10133944)

And I hate Radio 1 anyway... It's full of idiots playing R&B, or similar rubbish. Now that Mark and Lard have gone, and Chris Moyles has left the afternoon slot, I listen to Terry Wogan in the morning (yes, I know, it's about as sad as you get...) and Steve Wright whenever I can. Johnathon Ross is good too... In fact, Radio 2 beats almost all of Radio 1's crew hands down... And I'm Radio 1's target audience - I'm 19!

Re:Nitpick alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134056)

Hahaha, exactly the same here.

Chris Moyles' ego is even more inflated now and it's just painful to listen to him. I also usually listen to Radio 2 or Radio 4 (depending on what music is on on radio 2), but damn, the Today programme is damn good...

Official Downloads Sites: (5, Informative)

usefool (798755) | about 10 years ago | (#10133773)

At the bottom of the article is a list of "Official Downloads Sites", it'll be interesting when we can get the sales figures from each one of them for the complete chart.
  • iTunes
  • Napster
  • MyCokeMusic
  • Streets Online
  • 7 Digital Media
  • Playlouder
  • MSN Music
  • Big Noise Music
  • HMV
  • Virgin
  • Tiscali Music
  • Sonic Selector
  • Wanadoo

Re:Official Downloads Sites: (2, Interesting)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | about 10 years ago | (#10133880)

At a rough guess:

iTunes: 90%
Everyone else: 10%


Re:Official Downloads Sites: (1)

mduell (72367) | about 10 years ago | (#10134472)

No WalMart... lame.

I've heard that they're up to 35%, but I cant find any good sources.

Something more interesting... (3, Interesting)

ElForesto (763160) | about 10 years ago | (#10133785)

... would be a list of the most-downloaded songs that weren't paid for. You could compare that to this list and see which songs are actually worth buying.

peel (4, Insightful)

justforaday (560408) | about 10 years ago | (#10133790)

give me a site that lets me download whatever song john peel is currently playing and i'll be happy.

Re:peel (3, Informative)

WolfWithoutAClause (162946) | about 10 years ago | (#10133864)

Um. Strictly accurately, there is! He's a DJ on radio-1, and there's a 'play live' music button :-)

Re:peel (1)

justforaday (560408) | about 10 years ago | (#10133909)

BAH! I know that! I was talking about for-real download/purchases/whatever. Thanks tho...

Re:peel (2, Informative)

PReDiToR (687141) | about 10 years ago | (#10133887)

Try the "listen" link on the Radio 1 page, there is a Real download which happily plays through RealAlternative.

If it streams, you can cache/save it =)

Re:peel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134069)

Thursdays (aborted - malfunctions at Peel Acres) show is playing from HD now, and as we post, Tuesdays is downloading using NetTransport. magic !!

Copyleft my ass (4, Insightful)

RabidChicken (684107) | about 10 years ago | (#10133796)

I am greatly disappointed in so far as the chart offered automatically discounts legitimate artists that do not choose to sell their tracks online but give them away for free. Examples being Brad Sucks [] and the Acedia Music Netlabel [] under licenses such as the Creative Commons music license. It will take something like the BBC or other mainstream music outlets (MTV or other such dribble) to recognize this music distribution model to get artists any exposure. That being said I can see how from a purely practical level that one would have to rely either on the artists themselves or mirrors to provide statistics which may be skewered. In addition, artists like Brad Sucks may get significantly more downloads from the simple fact of being free (in every sense) rather than another indie band that has only pay downloads.

Bah humbug.

P.S. Brad Sucks is one of my favourite bands

Re: Brad?! (0, Offtopic)

loqi (754476) | about 10 years ago | (#10134033)


P.S. Brad Sucks^2. Brad's a nice guy, at least, if seriously outclassed by the Songfight [] heavyweights (Frontalot, add, JBB, Frankie).

It's reassuring to know that... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133812)

...American Idiot is a hit in Britain.

Charts based on semillegal downloads? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133819)

Wouldn't a chart based on downloads on Kazaa/soulseek/etc give a much better indication of the musical tastes of online music downloaders? Because music purchased online through the likes of itunes is just a tiny fraction of the music downloaded. And besides, this chart is probably going to be a whole lot more of the same "quality music" as we see in current real world charts.

One could also create charts per p2p program and maybe even based on geographical location (IP ranges).

TOTP? (2, Interesting)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 10 years ago | (#10133836)

But is this the stuff that they're gonna play as the definitive chart on Top of the Pops? Or are they gonna stick with the Gallup chart? And is the Network Chart still around? Apart from being used by independent radio stations that syndicated David Jenson's show, and ITV's excellent DJ-free Saturday morning "The Chart Show," it wasn't really regarded as 'the' chart like the one on TOTP was.

Re:TOTP? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 10 years ago | (#10134027)

I can't imagine they'd do that until the download numbers start exceeding the record shop numbers. It's only something like 2% of the market now.

A positive development (4, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | about 10 years ago | (#10133837)

Those familiar with the BBC will be familiar with "Top of the Pops" - a long-running BBC show targeting teenagers which used the TV station we all pay for to funnel the greatest pile of unbelievably crap commercial noise (the term "music" doesn't really apply) into the eager ears of Britain's youth. This was based on the UK singles chart which is widely regarded to be completely manipulated by the music industry. Why exactly the British public must pay for this weekly infomercial for the worst the music industry has to offer is quite beyond me.

With any luck, the music industry will have a more difficult time in manipulating this chart, and it will therefore more accurately reflect the musical tastes of the UK's youth.

Re:A positive development (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 10 years ago | (#10134067)

Why would this chart be more difficult to manipulate than the old record stores version? To manipulate the old chart, you have to send people out to travel the country buying copies in the significant record shops. With this new version, you can write a python script to visit all the online stores and purchase multiple copies. Enter the song title you want to promote that week, and how much you want to spend, and press enter.

Of course it'll need lots of separate accounts setting up, with lots of different credit/debit cards. But I'm sure that's not beyond the determined record company promoters.

On the plus side, fraudulent promoting would be easier to investigate.

Funny ... (2)

kabz (770151) | about 10 years ago | (#10134126)

One cool thing that did happen on Top of the Pops was that when Roger Daltrey of The Who was presenting it ...

He introduced the Village People with the line

"Backs to the wall !! It's the Village People !!"


charts are great for iPod mp3 downloads (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10133884)

Nothing like having a pretty little music chart to know which songs to dl or not.

Rock on.

Get a free iPod from []

Illegal dloads (3, Informative)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10133936)

Until the number of legal downloads FAR surpasses illegal ones, I will get my info from that list []

Chart Inflation (4, Interesting)

xombo (628858) | about 10 years ago | (#10134018)

This will help online music sales in the long run but it will cause the same effect as "top sellers" in the CD market. Of course they're top sellers and they will continue to be since they're the most played music on the radio. That's why radio stations should promote new and notable artists instead of the same crap we've heard for the last three months, maybe that would help artists and encourage a better rotation on the air waves.

people are dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134066)

They expect the BBC(!) to list the chart of illegally downloaded music? Are you crazy? Next thing would be the BBC publishing a HOW TO on finding and downloading illegal music, maybe even a HOW TO on stealing CDs from music stores. Quite obviously the BBC, one of the most respected (and oldest) TV networks in the world is not going to stoop so low as publicly support the breaking of the law.

Hey, we should have a chart where the statistics are collected from criminals, yeah, basically we go around asking shop-lifters what music singles they steal, because it's exactly the same, and it's never going to happen.

Another thing, it's just not feasible to trace illegal downloads through P2P networks, it's a chart for the UK which means it has to be based on singles purchases within the UK. It would be far too messy to dabble in P2P networks for statistics. This way, they can consult the sites who sell to the UK and get real and honest statistics.

Meanwhile (4, Interesting) (782137) | about 10 years ago | (#10134204)

All sensible people use Audioscrobbler [] and get their charts. They take into account what people listen to and not what they buy, meaning that it is less skewed towards teenyboppers and one hit wonders (which have low replay values) and fairer towards good bands.

But what are the MASSES listening to? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10134676)

based on the most popular, legally downloaded tracks in the UK

But legal downloads account for only a tiny percentage of all downloads. So wouldn't it be more relevant to track all downloads, legal + illegal?

If I was selling music, wouldn't I would want to know what's actually popular with the masses?

(Actually, I think I heard that the RIAA companies do obtain illegal-download statistics via back channels for use in their marketing decisions.)

iTunes is no match for iRATE (3, Informative)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | about 10 years ago | (#10134848)

iRATE radio [] is a GPL'ed MP3 downloader and player. From the page:

iRATE radio is a collaborative filtering system for music. You rate the tracks it downloads and the server uses your ratings and other people's to guess what you'll like. The tracks are downloaded from websites which allow free and legal downloads of their music.
According to iRATE's sourceforge statistics [] , it has had 15,344 downloads.

I've been using iRATE for a little over a year now, and have downloaded about a thousand tracks with it. If I were a typical user, then that would suggest that iRATE users all together have downloaded about fifteen million songs, thus far surpassing iTunes' puny one million download total.

Now, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Some of iRATE's downloads were existing users fetching updates, and not everyone who uses it keeps using it. But it clearly shows that free, legal downloads are potentially dwarfing the paid downloads being tracked by the BBC.

Note that the RIAA doesn't get a penny from iRATE's downloads. They can't complain either, because the copyright holders - the musicians themselved - give permission to us to download their tracks when they post them on MP3 hosting services like the Internet Underground Music Archive [] .

I discuss not only iRATE but a lot of other places to get free music downloads in my article Links to Tens of Thousands of Legal Music Downloads [] . Share the link with all your buddies who use p2p.

Thank you for your attention.

Maroon 5 is on there twice? (1)

Mike Hawk (687615) | about 10 years ago | (#10135034)

Anyone in LA or OC remember when they were shitty local band Kara's Flowers and used to open for bands like the Aquabats? [] Congrats on graduating to shitty huge band with a new name and keyboard player. I guess.
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