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Alienware Reveals 4GHz desktop

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the moving-into-COTS dept.

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keeleysam writes "c|net news.com is reporting that Alienware is going to ship a 4GHz desktop. The new Area-51 ALX, introduced on Friday, uses overclocking, or the practice of pushing a processor past its factory speed setting, to elevate a standard Intel Pentium 4 chip to 4GHz. Because overclocking a processor can cause it to overheat, the desktop also includes a special liquid-cooling system devised by Alienware. Purchasing the 4GHz Area-51 ALX desktop is an expensive proposition for most consumers, as the machine starts at about $4,200, according to pricing on Alienware's ALX Web site."

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Re:link (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168551)

Or, alternatively, one that actually works!
http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/area51_ alx.aspx

*shakes head at mods*

Re:link (1, Funny)

cr@ckwhore (165454) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168562)

Sorry guys... link is broken ... I went on the assumption that the problem with the link was the missing slash after ".com" ... but I guess that wasn't it! Apparently the original poster is just an idiot.

Re:link (2, Funny)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168696)

Sorry guys... link is broken ... I went on the assumption that the problem with the link was the missing slash after ".com" ... but I guess that wasn't it! Apparently the original poster is just an idiot.

What's that saying about people in glass houses?

The Links (4, Informative)

manavendra (688020) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168721)

One would have thought this would be prominently listed on their homepage. It isn't. Digging down deeper into the website (there is no search facility, mind you), here is what I found:
  1. The news [alienware.com] page which mentions the 4.0 GHz CPUs Now Available in Alienware Area-51 ALX Systems.
  2. The ALX configuration page - As the name suggests you can use it to configure your desired ALX [alienware.com]
Btw, the moment you choose to configure, the price shoots up to $5,458.00 (which includes ALL rebates)!

Re:link (5, Informative)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168604)

Liebermann [go-l.com] has been selling 4.2GHz [go-l.com] rigs with watercooling for a while now too.

They have P4 boxes overclocked to 4.2GHz and watercooled Athlon64 "4200+" boxes as well, for the AMD equivalent

Proper Link (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168527)

http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/main_alx.aspx
w00t

yeah it's shipping today but when was it ordered (4, Funny)

Harlockjds (463986) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168528)

considering how backlogged AW is i'm guessing the guy it's being shipped too purchased it last spring.

Insignificant Performance Increase (2, Interesting)

mj2k (726937) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168731)

OC'ing a P4 to 4 ghz isn't likely to result in any noticable difference... If you're a gamer (like me), a 2 ghz+ machine works just fine, slow-downs are generally caused by graphics card/memory issues... If you do a lot of multi-tasking you're better off spending the money on a dual processor system that has 15k rpm scsis, I assure you if you do this you will see a very noticable difference. I also noticed that alienware is using a raid 0 SATA configuration -- that's just downright stupid considering the data corruption potential.

yeah! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168529)

yeah, my very first fp!

yay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168530)

that should enable me to get first post!

FPFPFP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168532)

This is an alien first post. Done by aliens for avi.
Adi?
Dan

What's with the submitters today? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168539)

First someone tried to submit that SETI story again, and this guy here posted a nice broke link.

Hangovers from yesterday's grill-fest?

Re:What's with the submitters today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168569)

Those alien cases look good. It's good that they put that huge vent in the top to pour your coffee in.

How can it get any hotter (-1, Flamebait)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168543)

My dell inspiron 8200 gets very hot at 1.8 ghz. When I'm compiling, all the fans are on and this thing sounds like a jet engine.

Something about overclocking and watercooling on a laptop scares me.

Re:How can it get any hotter (2, Informative)

Harlockjds (463986) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168555)

which is why it's on a desktop, not a laptop

Re:How can it get any hotter (0, Offtopic)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168617)

Well I know that. The similarity I was trying to make is comparing situations where the heat can be maintained easily and situations where lots of heat is generated and it's difficult to keep things cool. If I had a desktop 1.8 ghz p4, it wouldn't be too difficult to keep it cool. But in a laptop, it's much harder and thus makes the user aware when the fans start cranking.

And like in this case, a 3.2 ghz might just require a few fans to properly keep cool, but this is going to require a complex system which the user might be aware of.

Re:How can it get any hotter (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168706)

Dude, you're just digging yourself in deeper. Anyone who read your first post can tell that you thought it was a laptop. Just admit to being wrong instead of trying to talk your way out of it.

Re:How can it get any hotter (2, Interesting)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168733)

Water-cooling, which isn't that complicated. Anyway, they're overclocking a 3.2ghz chip to 3.8, which isn't a huge increase.

Seriously, comparing it to heat problems in a notebook is pretty silly, as there simply isn't the same amount of space available for a cooling system. I know what you're saying, but the comparison is pretty shaky ;)

DUDE LAPTOP?? lol learn to read plz :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168609)

DUDE LAPTOP?? lol learn to read plz :P

Don't Forget (1)

illuminata (668963) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168558)

It's nice and shiny too. That's why most of the cool kids buy Alienware. Shiny looks + high price + supposedly top-notch hardware = pwn.

Well, at least in their minds.

Yay! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168559)

Now I can play tetris even faster!

wow, thanks (5, Funny)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168560)

glad we got a definition of overclocking. i always thought overclocking was moving my clock ahead fifteen minutes so i could get places on time. but when i figured out i had an extra fifteen minutes, i just hit snooze. then i was late again. shit. so much for overclocking.

Re:wow, thanks (3, Funny)

Ciqala (798231) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168619)

i did the same, except i would push it even further once i got used to the current overclocking increment. i'm not currently 10 years ahead of myself, but there are advantages, apparently longhorn is finally going to ship anytime soon... no seriously.

Bring a lifevest for LAN parties (3, Interesting)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168564)

I have always wanted to try out liquid cooling in my gaming PCs, but am petrified of bringing the box out of the house to a friends house for gaming sessions. Alienware usually puts together a pretty good package for it's customers, but reading the site doesn't give me any insight on its portability. My geeky friends feel the same way as I do - an article or study showing that the integrity of the cooling system remains after traveling with it would go a long way towards me taking the plunge, as it were. (By normal traveling I mean putting it safely in your car, securing it, and setting it back up, not waching it into a wall or some other moronic stress test.)

Re:Bring a lifevest for LAN parties (3, Insightful)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168672)

an article or study showing that the integrity of the cooling system remains after traveling with it would go a long way towards me taking the plunge, as it were.

That's a pretty dumb idea, and it's not going to happen for the same reason that other manufacturers don't advertise the portability of *desktop* systems. Why should they widen their product guarantees just because you want to lug it around in the back of a pickup? If you're smart enough to network surely you're smart enough not to f$ck up your new alienware box while travelling.

Re:Bring a lifevest for LAN parties (1)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168692)

I meant something on tomshardware.com or the like, not some iron clad sworn blood oath by the manufacturer. Holy smokes people love to get wrapped up in legalese...

Re:Bring a lifevest for LAN parties (4, Insightful)

Grym (725290) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168784)

Don't equate intelligence or technical adeptness with common sense. They're not the same thing. I've seen a guy who made a 1600 on his SATs pour hot coffee in his lap when asked the time.

Besides, if the person were so smart--why would he buy a ridiculously overpriced computer to begin with?

-Grym

for the AMD enthusiast, (2, Informative)

John_Allen_Mohammed (811050) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168575)

alienware also offers a Opteron box too, for a cool $4,964.00 - The Aurora [alienware.com]. Firefox doesn't seem to load that up here unfortunately, had to use IE :(

Re:for the AMD enthusiast, (1)

soyuz_2 (810631) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168679)

Works fine in firefox 0.9.3 on gentoo.

Re:for the AMD enthusiast, (1)

John_Allen_Mohammed (811050) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168757)

Hmmmmmm, seem to be having probs here.... loads up fine using firefox on another machine, same version .9.3. Only thing that might make a difference is the 50+ extensions I have loaded on this box (only adblock on the other machine.) *shrug* Sorry about that.

Re:for the AMD enthusiast, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168694)

Link works fine here, firefox 0.8

Re:for the AMD enthusiast, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168708)

What are you talking about? Loads fine here on firefox.

Fixed link (1, Redundant)

buro9 (633210) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168577)

$4,200 ! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168588)

Most people know Alienware is quite overpriced, but $4,200! I know you're paying for the aesthetics more than anything but still, if you want that power then buy two 2GHZ boxes and save yourself $2000, I can't imagine Alienware would have many people 'in the know' purchasing their hardware.

I think this is more of a gimmick for advertising (seen by the fact it's on /. and now about 100 other news sites) than anything else.

Gee PCs are expensive... (1, Troll)

toupsie (88295) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168592)

I can't think of one Mac that costs $4,200 even the dual processor 64bit ones. And they say Apples are overpriced! Wow.

Re:Gee PCs are expensive... (0, Offtopic)

Nomihn0 (739701) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168631)

I can't think of a Mac that can run games . . . *sorry, sorry, sorry, not meaning to flame*

Re:Gee PCs are expensive... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168684)

Well, I must say, if you're gonna spend +4000$ on a computer only to play games well gee... get a life!

You get what you pay for.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168674)

When you buy an el cheapo knockoff for a lot less, you get cheaper (read slower/less reliable) peripheral hardware such as disk controllers, disks, video cards, RAM, cheap keyboards and mice that last one month if you're lucky, etc.

Re:Gee PCs are expensive... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168697)

A Mac with equivalent power would cost significantly more. Idiot.

Re:Gee PCs are expensive... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168770)

Maybe in 2012 when they finally release a MAC that runs at 4Ghz it will cost more than $4000?

And the most modern game available will still be Doom III.

Re:Gee PCs are expensive... (2, Insightful)

ch3 (701440) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168822)

Funny, I was just thinking that...
My G5 costed me "only" about 3000 for a dual 2Ghz, is probably better designed inside and doesn't run out-of-specs (and the case doesn't look like plastic!)

Why hasn't this been seen elsewhere? (3, Interesting)

Nomihn0 (739701) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168611)

I am curious why other systems manufacturers like Dell, Compaq, or Hewlett Packard, do not overclock their products. I would expect that, with all of the setup time they already devote to their products, they would be able to click a few more times in the BIOS as well. Not to trivialize the process, but with the consistency granted by producing the same computer repeatedly, that is all that would be required.

These systems could then be sold at slightly elevated prices. The script-kiddie crowd would lunge at them, buying into a piece of the OC'ing action. The naive would purchase them for the in-between performance levels they would have. The rest would build their own computer and do it themselves. But, in the mean time, those companies get to gouge good customers - all while making them feel that their purchase was personalized.

Re:Why hasn't this been seen elsewhere? (2, Interesting)

HawkingMattress (588824) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168748)

OC'ing has stability issues, heat issues for generally little real gain, and you loose the warranty on your chip... Why would they do that ?

Why why why? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168612)

Would anyone please tell me why it is necessary to spend 5 grand on a PC?

Okay okay -- especially when XBOX and many other consoles approach PC graphics? This is overkill -- the amount of money spent on this one machine could be used to build a small cluster of less powerful machines.

It is a shame that XBOX, a $300 dollar system can get amazing games -- but if you want amazing graphics and sound on the PC you must spend 5 g's.

Re:Why why why? (2, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168763)

"Okay okay -- especially when XBOX and many other consoles approach PC graphics?"

Approach PC graphics? At 640x480 with 32MB of RAM? Huh?

Re:Why why why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168832)

I don't know why you'd spend $300 on an XBox when you can get a Dreamcast which also has many amazing games for $50...

Or just get a pencil and paper. Infinite entertainment for $2.

customization options (4, Interesting)

mrgreenfur (685860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168620)

it's odd to note that the 3.8ghz p4 ee with 2mb of cache is apparently $714 MORE expensive than the 4ghz p4 with 1mb of cache.

I'm guessing that the 2mb l2 cache is faster, so why are we still following the fascination with clockspeed (other proof, like AMD, aside)?

you know alienware has struck it rich when they include their own "ALX High Performance Network Cable".

Re:customization options (1)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168846)

As far as I understand it, the problem is that cache tends to have problems when you manufacture it. So the more cache you build in, the higher the chance that it will be broken, and they'll have to throw the whole chip away.

erm ... (3, Insightful)

fadir (522518) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168625)

Wouldn't it be alot cheaper and better to purchase a 2 processor system instead of a extremely high-priced overclocked 1 processor system?
Seriously, except the "coolness" I fail to see the sense in this system.

Re:erm ... (2, Informative)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168711)

Depends on the application. There are many programs that don't take advantage of a second processor. Also, there are some tasks that can only be done linearly. A second processor only helps when instructions can be done in paralel. In those cases, the only option is "Speed Speed Speed" to get better performance.

Re:erm ... (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168749)

Not by a long shot, as (for example) a 2x500mhz computer won't run as fast as a 1x1000mhz computer. It would be cheaper, but nowhere near as good for gamers (the intended audience)

Re:erm ... (1)

mollymoo (202721) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168789)

Wouldn't it be alot cheaper and better to purchase a 2 processor system instead of a extremely high-priced overclocked 1 processor system?

If every game (this is a gaming machine) was multi-threaded then yes. But they aren't. So no.

Does AlienWare cover warrantee, since Intel wont? (5, Interesting)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168637)

By taking the CPU over Intel's rated speed, there's no warrantee from Intel. Does Alienware promise to replace 'em if they fail during a (nominal) warrantee period?

--
GMail invites for iPod referrals [slashdot.org]

Re:Does AlienWare cover warrantee, since Intel won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168740)

Hmm, I for one would not like to be "covered" by Alienware, nor would I like "covering" by Intel ;)
Main Entry: war·ran·tee
Pronunciation: "wor-&n-'tE, "wär-
Function: noun
: the person to whom a warranty is made
vs.
Main Entry: war·ran·ty
Pronunciation: 'wor-&n-tE, 'wär-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English warantie, from Old North French, from warantir to warrant
1 a : a real covenant binding the grantor of an estate and his heirs to warrant and defend the title b : a collateral undertaking that a fact regarding the subject of a contract is or will be as it is expressly or by implication declared or promised to be
2 : something that authorizes, sanctions, supports, or justifies : WARRANT
3 : a usually written guarantee of the integrity of a product and of the maker's responsibility for the repair or replacement of defective parts

speed changes - prices don't (0, Troll)

apikoros (774290) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168643)

Once again proving both the truth of Moore's law (data density doubles approximately every 18 months) and Dolan's corollary (the computer you want costs approximately $5,000) The IBM PC cost $5,000 in 1980, the Alienware Area-51 ALX costs $5,000 in 2004.

Re:speed changes - prices don't (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168785)

$4,200 isn't $5,000. In fact, it's closer to $3,500 than $5,000, which shows that "Dave420's law" (people always round up/down statistics to prove their point) is still alive and kicking ;)

Alternatively.... (5, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168644)

...buy a few 2GHz boxes and an Ethernet switch for the same money, invite a few buddies over for some networked UT2004, Counter-Strike & Red Alert 2.

I'm sure the group of people who buy overpriced Alienware products are the same group who'd pay for penis extensions.

Re:Alternatively.... (1)

hangingonwords (581642) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168810)

being someone who has spent $4,300 on his last computer and willing to spend more on his next, i would just like to CONFIRM that i've just scheduled the appointment for my penis extension. thank you.

Undervolting is the new overclocking (5, Interesting)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168656)

I used to overclock, but squeezing out the highest performence-per-watt is more fun these days. I read about it on silentpcreview.com and gave it a try. It turns out that Athlon 64 CPUs can usually run full speed at 1.3V (vs. 1.5V), which cuts power consumption almost in half. 1.8GHz (3000+) at 1.2V (35W max), 1.4GHz at 1V, and 1GHz at 0.85V (maybe a dozen watts) work well too. Someone with a newer CPU than I have managed 1.2GHz @ 0.875V. Use ClockGen [cpuid.com] to tweak the clock multiplier and core voltage under Windows. (Does anyone know of a Linux equivalent? 64-bit compatible?)

I watched a bit over 3 hours of DVD video on my HP zv5000z with the CPU set to 1GHz @ 0.85V before the 12-cell battery ran out. Normal screen brightness and everything.

Of course, this won't work all that well on Intel CPUs. Maybe Alienware will include a free naquada generator with their "4GHz" P4's.

G5 (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168685)

Well, the surprising thing to me is that a similarly configured (but with more features) loaded 2.5 Ghz Dual G5 from Apple (with liquid cooling as well) runs about $2300 cheaper than the Alienware box.

Re:G5 (1)

Mitleid (734193) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168702)

Yes, but the game library is hardly anything comparable to what you can get on an Alienware machine.

Re:G5 (-1, Troll)

nuggetman (242645) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168724)

lol stupid n00b but a mac wont game lolololol a mac game wtf u r teh dumb and i am teh funny lololoroflolol!

Re:G5 (0, Troll)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168818)

Except you seem to miss in which section of slashdot this is: games.slashdot.org

Those dual macs are nice, no doubt, but until their games library grows a little (as in, about 10 times), "gaming" is just about the last word I'd associate with them.

I can think of a better deal.... (1, Redundant)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168710)

Dual 2Ghz G5. Perhaps not quite as powerful but a far more elegant design. Could probably afford an Apple Cinema Display to go with it for less than the cost of the 4Ghz Intel box....

Re:I can think of a better deal.... (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168802)

It's for gamers. G5s don't have as many games for them, so how would it benefit a gamer? "Here's $1,500 to buy some games that don't exist" ;)

Re:I can think of a better deal.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168811)

Doesn't really cut it as a gaming machine though does it? If you weren't a MacTard you could have worked that out for yourself before posting.

Too expensive.. (1)

st3v (805783) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168729)

I don't see this computer as a feasible option for anyone... It is possible to build a Pentium-4 3.4GHz system comparable to this one for a lot cheaper. 600MHz usually won't make a difference at this point; it is the other components of the system that would slow it down. Personally I think anyone spending $4,200 on a gaming desktop is insane.

Dual PCIE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168737)

I'd rather them be working to get the price down on the dual PCIE systems. The kind where you have TWO processors working on TWO graphics cards.

You know. For under $5k...

Microsoft Tax (0, Troll)

barcodez (580516) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168745)

I see Alienware PCs are subject to the Microsoft Tax [alienware.com] (i.e you can't buy one and not buy Windows). I refuse to buy a piece of software I don't use and I refused to support a company I don't like the business practise of.

Re:Microsoft Tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168788)

This is a gaming computer jackass.

Re:Microsoft Tax (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168833)

Yeah, for rich gaming jackasses that have more money than sense.

I worked out that if you bought *THE BEST* PC components there are currently, you'd spend about £1000 (= $1500) in total.

That means Alienware is charging you $2000+ for a pretty PC case...

Re:Microsoft Tax (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168829)

This isn't that surprising. Most people who buy from Alienware are buying these machines so that they can play games. As of today, the vast majority of PC games run under Windows.

You go right ahead and boycott buying from Alienware. But be aware that you were never in their target market because you don't play the latest and most hardware intensive PC games. [Yes, I know - Linux/Mac releases do occur of popular games. I am generalizing. I know this. You know this.]

Re:Microsoft Tax (4, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168838)

So would you buy one if you weren't forced to get it with Windows installed?

Assuming you use Linux and nothing else, do you game a lot, since that is (usually) the primary purpose of buying an Alienware machine?

Somehow I get the feeling you're posting just so you can get in a jab at Microsoft - if you genuinely support the views you claim to, you shouldn't need to post just to basically say "Lookit me! I'm fighting The Man!"

very un-slashdot like (1)

sib888 (94158) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168752)

since when does overclocking have to be explained to the slashdot crowd? This reeks of marketing

Re:very un-slashdot like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168791)

Since overclocking was explained in the first paragraph of the article, obivously. Do you expect people to summarize the article when they submit it or something?

Re:very un-slashdot like (1)

jsveiga (465473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168828)

I thought the exact same thing.

Will the day come for a post like: "Linux Kernel 2.6.9 released. Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, which is a..."

sad, sad...

Nice way to disguise that blatant advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168773)

As a paragraph explaining overclocking to the Slashdot crowd?!?!

That's nice, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10168798)

how fast is it? Do GHz really mean anything anymore?

VISA commercial (2, Funny)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168815)

Doom 3: $49.99

Alienware Computer to run it on: $4,200

Losing the last vestiges of any proof of ever being in the sunlight: Priceless

Cheers,

Erick

$4200 used to be a more common price (2, Interesting)

Linus Sixpack (709619) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168821)

Interesting that the price tag is now 'expensive' for a machine assembled for extreme performance. It was not very long ago that that was a upper level standard machine.

Welcome to the mid 90's! (1)

stienman (51024) | more than 9 years ago | (#10168835)

...
So - they're telling us that going back to -shudder- less than $1.00 per MHz is progress???

Dude, I know there's profit incentives out there, but you can buy a serious 2 way 64 bit machine for that much which would blow that thing out of the water, even running 32 bit windows xp professional.

$1 per MHz... They must seriously be pining for the old days. Let it go, man. Just let it go...

-Adam
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