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Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Impressions

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the who's-gonna-watch-it dept.

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Tim Butler writes "1UP.com has posted impressions of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children from the premiere screening at the Venice Film Festival. The article also reveals that the film won't be ready until next spring -- but may clock in at more than an hour and a half in running time (is a big screen release a possibility now?)."

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Holding out hope. (4, Interesting)

slusich (684826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169221)

I'm just hoping they did a better job on this one then on the last FF movie. The last one looked gorgeous, but the plot was almost non-existent. It was as if they had spent every ounce of effort producing the visuals, and someone had forgotten to bother with a script. I loved FF:VII as a game, and I'm holding out hope that the movie will live up to the name this time. Of course, I'm also hoping for a direct to DVD release since I refuse to go to a theatre any more.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169230)

FF VII was my favorite, with FF X falling close behind.

Re:Holding out hope. (4, Insightful)

AndyChrist (161262) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169264)

Was FFVII the first one you played?

Almost invariably I find this to be the case with those who call it their favorite.

Re:Holding out hope. (2)

satoshi1 (794000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169295)

FF7 was the first I played. Then I played FFX, and then FF4. So far, FF4 is my favorite. I've beaten FF7, I'm probably very close in FFX (the cloister of trials in zanarkand), and in FF4... I forget at the moment -_- But I like it much better than FF7 and FFX.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169516)

You're not close to finishing. You still have Sin to contend with. And lots of sidequests, though you didn't say whether you had done any of them. I probably had a dozen hours after Zanarkand before I got to the final showdown, but I play kinda slowly.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

sabernet (751826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170166)

I played just about each and every one of them now, although I haven't played 10 much at all. In my opinion, the one with the most "theatrical" feel to it as well as the most defined image, FF6(FF3US) would be the best in that field. FF7 had the best characters, period. And the story was failry deep[albeit not as deep as FFX, it was easier to absorb) FF4 has the nostalgia kick as well as being the biggest jump in technology FF has seen.(ATB, operatic music, etc...) Besides, Kain was cool:) FF8 made excellent strides in gameplay as well as having one of the cooler weapons(gunblade was cool, try to dispute that;P) but the story was horrid and jammed together in a nonsensical mush. FF9 was fun and lighthearted. Which was fun:) FF1 was great, and even the story(or what story there was) was interested and deep in those days. Playing it now is just plain frustrating though(walking the map for three days just to find out what to do next was somewhat aggravating). But hay, Chaos was cool:) [anyone ever able to beat Warmech?]

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170238)

"FF7 had the best characters, period."

That is a god damned joke.

Indeed (2, Insightful)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170271)

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree. One of the (many) reasons FF6 is the best of the series is the strength of its characters. Celes, Locke, Terra, Sabin, Shadow, and Kefka -- just to name a few...

Re:Indeed (2, Insightful)

sabernet (751826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170440)

First off, I apoligize for the lack of line breakers, I forgot /. uses html formatting

secondly, while FF6 had more characters, the characters were more dry and not quite as "cool(with all that entails).

What FF6 had going for it was the delivery of the characters and the setting in which they were introduced. Narshe, Vector, etc... were all memorable towns and the Airships looked man-made. The world itself was just plain well-detailed and the characters were well thought out, for sure. It makes FF6 my fav FF to play.

Kefka was a strong character, and an excellent villain, but had absolutely no background. Sephy had a shiteload of background story. Hell, you sympathized with him.

FF7's world wasn't as deep, but the characters themselves stuck with you.

But one thing they both had in common:
They both had character with EXCELLENT finishing moves that got killed before you could use them:P(Aeris's Lv4 and Leo's swordamajig)

Re:Indeed (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170674)

Well, I'd say Sephiroth is the best FF7 character, but I don't have much to say about the others. Cloud, Aeris, Barrett... they're all rather bland. I cared about Aeris after she died, but not before. FF6 and FF4 have better characters than FF7 IMO. As far as coolness goes, Locke and Shadow are the coolest FF characters ever.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

OoSync (444928) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170253)

ut hay, Chaos was cool:) [anyone ever able to beat Warmech?]

Yeah, I beat a Warmech, but never a Warmech and Chaos afterwards. That was a plain dirty trick by Square ;)

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Informative)

hajihill (755023) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170885)

You had to 'camp' the thing that guards the lode stone (basically walk back and forth across that square to keep fighting the monster), then in no time everyone in your party is level 50...

Now that doesn't mean a ton if you go out with a mixed party, but if you manage to struggle through with 4 black-belts then you can take warmech and chaos in one attack per. No problems there...

Besides Warmech was in the castle of air just before tiamat, right? Chaos was really just a transmogrified Garland and was in a different dungeon altogether.

The first FF was definitely my favorite. I even managed to beat the game with four white wizards, and again with four black wizards though those times it was really difficult.

Hail FFI! One of my favorite console games of all time, but then again I still think the Gold Box Adventure series from SSI are great, and still play Zork to pass time... but that's just me.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Cecil (37810) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169624)

FF4 (aka 2) was my first, but FF7 is my favourite.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169733)

Well, here's a data point against it: I played FF1, FF2, and FF3 long before FF7 came out (those are all the American designations, btw), and FF7 is still my favorite. :)

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169766)

Another data point against this statement: I played in the order FF6, FF4, FF5, FF7, FF8 -- and FF7 is my favourite of those.

Only the first disk and a half, though. The good bits in the rest are too far apart.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

AndyChrist (161262) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169912)

The ones I'm right about aren't replying. You have to get them individually.

Re:Holding out hope. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169875)

It doesn't matter anyways. If you've played one of these games, you've played them all. Here's what changes between the games:

1) More eye-candy with each new version
2) Different monsters
3) Map is different

Otherwise, it's always the same damn game. The combat engine hasn't changed since part 1.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169947)

Actually they have the same monsters. Their looks may be a little updated, but there's always Bombs and Behemots and Cactuars in the games.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

shish (588640) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170301)

I think most people find their first to be their favourite - like many things, there's the magic of it being new; despite all the FF games being very different, the magic of newness only happens once.

Come to think of it, my first was actually mystic quest, a sort of Fisher Price My First RPG, made by square to introduce people to RPGs without all the scary stats. FFVII was my first real one though, and is my favourite; I liked 6 the one time I played it through, but 7's sidegames and subplots* mean I've put more time into it that all my other games put together.

* Many of the subplots were never finished, and that's why I think it was so popular - there's always something out of reach, which gives plenty of room for thought (eg Did anyone ever get past the guard dog in the first screen of the underwater reactor sequence? There's an arrow saying that there's a door there, but the dog is in the way...)

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Fwonkas (11539) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170765)

The first one I played was FF4 (FF2 US) back in '92 or whatever. I've played every one since then, except for that gamecube one. And I never had the patience to beat Tactics.

I doubt my opinion will be too popular, but I thought that 7 was the best until 10 came out. 7 is definitely my favorite, though. If that makes sense.

I also think that 8 gets a bad rap. Definitely one of the better ones. 9 was my least favorite.

I know old-school FFers are supposed to think that everything after 6 is eye candy. Sorry - can't say that I agree. I think they get generally better with each new game. I even enjoyed X-2, as silly as it was.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169274)

Have you tried FF6 on SNES? I would love to see a movie with FF6' steampunk ambiance. Sadly, I find that Square moving from fantasy to SF was a bad decision.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

GT_Onizuka (693787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169396)

Apparently you've never played FF IV, or VI, or Tactics. VII is a great game, but it reminds me of the whole Halo situation. People who think Halo is the best game ever, have ONLY played ONE FPS, and it hapened to be Halo on the X-Box.

Re:Holding out hope. (3, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169541)

I'm not sure I'd really tout FF Tactics for it's storyline either. It's got a great battle system and a fiendish (if somewhat predictable) AI, but the storyline was a convoluted mess that at best didn't detract too much from the gameplay.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170229)

I don't think it was quite as convoluted as everyone says. Most of the twists and turns were rather cool. Most importantly, it's an excellent game regardless.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170240)

I'm not sure I'd really tout FF Tactics for it's storyline either. It's got a great battle system and a fiendish (if somewhat predictable) AI, but the storyline was a convoluted mess that at best didn't detract too much from the gameplay

You mean the translation was a bloody mess. the original story line came through, but with a bit of engrish confusion. It was said to be a very nainced storyline in japanese.

Re:Holding out hope. (4, Insightful)

jaredcat (223478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169270)

Actually as sucky as the last FF movie was, it's plot had every element of a FF game story...

. A small team of unlikely characters fighting impossible odds.
. A government with factions out to kill that team.
. The earth nearly destroyed or in its final days.
. People with magical/spiritual powers.
. Some kind of religeous overtones.
. Scary monsters everywhere!
. A top bad guy evil character, out to get our team!

I think what made it suck was that those good game elements that play out over 40 hours of interactive gameplay as you are descovering the world don't neccesarily make a good 2-hour non-interactive movie where there is a lot of exposition and all of these elements are crammed together.

The difference in the plots between FF: TSW and FF VII: Advent Children is that the FFVII Universe is already established (as the most popular FF of all time), and pretty much anyone wanting to see FFVII has already a good idea of the backstory. That allows for better storytelling.

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169393)

Actually as sucky as the last FF movie was, it's plot had every element of a FF game story...

You forgot the glue that binds every Final Fantasy premise: an ally character named Cid.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169422)

Actually, there was a character named Cid it FF:TSW. He was the doctor that Dr. Ross worked for. He sounded a lot like Donald Sutherland.

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Informative)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169443)

Cid didn't appear in the series until FFIV, and in VI he was originally working for the bad guys. I'd say a more appropiate subject would be the airships/spaceships(FFVIII) since those appeared from THE beginning of the series (FFI)

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169833)

I distictly recall a Cid being in FF2 (US version/numbering). He was the inventor of the airship, and joined the party. FFI, however didn't have one, unless you named one of your characters that.

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Informative)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169937)

Actually, Cid appeared in Japan's FF2.

Re:Holding out hope. (1, Funny)

Cid Highwind (9258) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169583)

You forgot the glue that binds every Final Fantasy premise: an ally character named Cid.

I'm glad SOMEONE noticed...

Note to humorless mods: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169704)

Look at the username on the parent post...

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

TheAvatar666 (670893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169689)

In the movie he is called Sid, with the S. There are no moogles or chocobos. Not every element, specially the characteristic ones I mentioned.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

jaredcat (223478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169694)

There was a Dr. Sid in FF: TSW! He was voiced by Donald Sutherland of all people. Dr. Sid was the batty professor who came up with the idea that spirits from plants and dying children would defeat the alien monsters.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169828)

Clearly he should duke it out with Duncan Idaho.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Mold (136317) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170471)

Did it have chocobo? I don't remember any of those.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170644)

You forgot the glue that binds every Final Fantasy premise: an ally character named Cid.

And the "some kind of crystal" thing. Unfortunatly Square has been falling down on that one a bit after FF9. And did FF8 have any? I really can't remember much about that game.

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Interesting)

LtOcelot (154499) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169964)

Another take on this is that FF game plots have always been weak, but the interactivity distracts players from that. They've been considered "good" relative to other games, but the average quality of game plots in general is pretty poor.

Re:Holding out hope. (2, Insightful)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170331)

You forgot the effeminate men and strong powerful but still good looking women.

some additional ones (1)

joeflies (529536) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170801)

. a trip to outer space - you know the game isn't close to the end if you haven't gone to space yet
. an aloof, misguided young man who could be the key to everything (well FF the movie didn't have that)
. a protoenemey - the enemy you think is the bad guy in the beginning pales in comparison to the real bad guy

the fomula goes beyond just square games too - many, many other RPGs do the same.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

Grab (126025) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169421)

"Looked gorgeous"?

Maybe in stills. In the film though, it became obvious that the animators had never seen a human moving. Bugs Bunny cartoons had more convincing animation than FF did.

Not to mention the few places where the animation broke down. Watch Aki's forearms and wrists - I noticed them break into rectangular surfaces at least twice during the film. A valiant effort, sure, but ultimately an attempt that failed, and not just due to the absence of a script - technically the visuals weren't up to it either.

Gollum made it because he *did* look human, and the acting was good enough as well that you never even thought about it. FF only got to the "nearly" stage on looks and the animation screamed "FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!". By falling into the Uncanny Valley, it only succeeded in looking strange and slightly creepy.

Grab.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169754)

Gollum made it because he *did* look human, and the acting was good enough as well that you never even thought about it. FF only got to the "nearly" stage on looks and the animation screamed "FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!". By falling into the Uncanny Valley, it only succeeded in looking strange and slightly creepy.

Funnily enough, I got the opposite impression of the two. Gollum sucked. His movements were all grossly overexaggerated, and his hair moved so unnaturally, and was so obviously CG, that it was a constant distraction all the time he was on screen.

FF:TSW, meanwhile, was sufficiently obviously animation that it fell short of uncanniness, and I was able to suspend disbelief well enough to enjoy the film. It probably helped that I was younger at the time, too.

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170313)

Funnily enough, I got the opposite impression of the two. Gollum sucked. His movements were all grossly overexaggerated, and his hair moved so unnaturally, and was so obviously CG, that it was a constant distraction all the time he was on screen.

Yeah, they say that the CGI was great, but I though it still looked rather out of place and awkward. Gollum was treated like a cartoon with the graphics and the over-acting, which didn't really fit in with a live-action film. The eagles were awful as well.

I think the spider was a lot better, and the cities, although I think some of them were modelled properly. Although did anyone else feel that the distances in the film were too short? Minas Tirith and Osgiliath were 20 miles apart, but in the film they looked a short walk away, and Mordor only looked a couple of miles across.

Re:Holding out hope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170755)

The knees on this supermodel are entirely too sharp!

<fark>

Re:Holding out hope. (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170936)

The last one looked gorgeous, but the plot was almost non-existent.

"I am particularly enjoying the visual effects. The script is a little weak, dost thou not think?" - Iolo (incidentally describing Every Play And Movie Ever Made[tm])

Final Fantasy movie was, at least in spirit, rather close to FF series (well, I'm not familiar with FF series in particular, but even I could spot dozens of things that were, ahem, probably typical to the genre [tripod.com] .)

CRPGs rarely have overly complex plots either, there's mostly just recycling of the same old stuff - but at least they bother to get the nitty-gritty details different in each part. And in my opinion, that's okay, if a little bit predictable. What I don't know is what is a good plot? Before you say "unusual", I usually have to say that "usual" can also work. Details matter - often even more than the actual bigger picture. (You can get away with "they take the Ring to the Mountain and destroy it there" synopsis if you spend a thousand pages describing how it's done while keeping it interesting enough...)

Argh, I should get to sleep...

Of course, I'm also hoping for a direct to DVD release

Don't worry! What I heard is that it is direct-to-DVD. (Or, more likely considering my unfortunate geographical location, direct-to-overpriced-DVD-and-bittorrent release. =)

Nothing for you to see move along. (-1, Troll)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169234)

If your gonna post some article that is interesting to some people, then dont patronise us with nothing to see move along when your databse and scripting dont work out 100%.

Re:Nothing for you to see move along. (-1, Troll)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169308)

Excuse me? Why is this flagged as troll? I'm interested in the subject and wanted to contribute to the discussion when I saw it posted on the front page. How does it become troll like behaviour to post about a legitimate bug when it occurs?

Re:Nothing for you to see move along. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169388)

This is not the place to post bugs in slashcode. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=104421&group_ id=4421 [sourceforge.net]

Re:Nothing for you to see move along. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169346)

Do you have it set up to ignore ALL film, anime, and video-game related topics?

If so, then you should be modded up. If not...

me want pictures (1)

dirvish (574948) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169244)

Screenshots anyone?

Re:me want pictures (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169395)

ff:VII small movie [gamespot.com]

It's a small movie, and jap in background, but still cool.

Re:me want pictures (5, Informative)

semifamous (231316) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169496)

How about a preview instead?

Head over to http://anime-kraze.org/ and go to their releases page...

http://anime-kraze.org/index.php?page=releases

Then scroll down to find this link this link here [anime-kraze.org] which points to a .torrent file of a fansubbed version of a preview of the movie...

Look at the screenshots! (1, Funny)

Aeiri (713218) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169245)

This movie is going to kick ass!

1 [1up.com] 2 [1up.com] 3 [1up.com]

Re:Look at the screenshots! (5, Informative)

mn3m05yn3 (772460) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169305)

http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?cId=3133458

aren't THOSE the screenshots? looks like you were referencing pictures of the festival itself...

Re:Look at the screenshots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169672)

Damn. They make so little use of color that nearly the entire thing could have been done in greyscale.

Re:Look at the screenshots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169356)

Please, mod parent Funny...

What is Final Fantasy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169247)

Can someone tell me what Final Fantasy is?

Re:What is Final Fantasy? (0)

JohnPerkins (243021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169335)

Final Fantasy is a series of video games from Nintendo, from Final Fantasy I in 1987 up to the yet-to-be-released Final Fantasy XII. This site [mobygames.com] has a history of Final Fantasy I through X. Here's [ffxii.net] a site for Final Fantasy XII

Re:What is Final Fantasy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169354)

Posting anonymously then answering your own question for cheap karma is pathetic.

Re:What is Final Fantasy? (1)

JohnPerkins (243021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170113)

Too bad the original poster wasn't me then.

Re:What is Final Fantasy? (1)

theKinkyRabbit (809823) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169386)

They're from SquareSoft actually. They were however released on Nintendo branded consoles up to FFVI, and then on Sony's stuff starting from FFVII.

Re:What is Final Fantasy? (1)

GT_Onizuka (693787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169426)

You mean Squenix

Uh.... no? (1)

solios (53048) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169708)

The FF series is made by Square, now Square-Enix (or Squenix). Nintendo was, iirc, the publisher for the first one in the states.

The first three FF games were for the NES. 4-6 were for the SNES, and 7-9 for the Playstation.

Square jumped the nintendo boat because they wanted to do tons of cinematics and FMV and stuff like that, which wouldn't have been possible on the N64.

Re:Uh.... no? (1)

hc00jw (655349) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169959)

The FF series is made by Square, now Square-Enix (or Squenix). Nintendo was, iirc, the publisher for the first one in the states.

The first three FF games were for the NES. 4-6 were for the SNES, and 7-9 for the Playstation.

Square jumped the nintendo boat because they wanted to do tons of cinematics and FMV and stuff like that, which wouldn't have been possible on the N64.

There have also been off-shots... Final Fantasy Adventure (actually the first Seiken Densetsu (Secret of Mana) game, re-branded for release outside of Japan) (GB), Final Fantasy Legends 1-3 (GB), the god awful Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (released to the U.S. audience because the head of Square said that they wouldn't "get" a full fledged FF game) (SNES), Final Fantasy Tactics (PS), Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA) and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (this should have been a Seiken Densetsu game(!)) (GC).

Apart from this, there has also been Ehrgeiz, which starred Cloud, and Final Fantasy Tactics also had Cloud in, although it wasn't directly related to VII (whereas Ehrgeiz was).

Re:Uh.... no? (4, Interesting)

cgenman (325138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170053)

I should point out, that Nintendo pulled the plug at the last minute on releasing the original Final Fantasy 2 on the NES here in the states, after hyping it up in Nintendo Power the month before (and a juicy contest that nobody won). What was released here as Final Fantasy 2 was actually Final Fantasy 4, in no small way because Nintendo didn't believe the series would amount to anything in the US.

And then, of course, the Final Fantasy for the SNES made the platform in Japan, at a time when the Mega Drive (Genesis) was swimming in great RPG's... but Nintendo's fiasco with the Sony-made Nintendo Playstation (SNES CD) upon which Square developed a fully realized "greatest game ever..." the Secret of Mana, then had to chop it to little bits to make it fit on a cartridge when the SNES CD was not released, soured the relationship on Square's side. Then Square deciding to make the next Final Fantasy game on, you guessed it, the Sony Playstation was taken as a personal slap in the face by Nintendo's president Hiroshi Yamauchi, which not only burned the bridge between them but salted the ground for many years.

Of course, the SNES CD couldn't be released as it was originally invisioned... In a momentary and tremendous lapse of judgement, the Nintendo lawyers signed to Sony the profits for any CD games sold, while they kept the profits on any Cartridge games sold. Nintendo asked for a redrawing of the iron-clad contract, Sony refused, and while Nintendo was contractually obligated to approve of Sony's release, they found a sneaky loophole and drew up a contract with (I believe) Philips to make a CDI compatible SNES CD, which they would throw their marketing muscle behind. Philips, of course, was an earlier partner which Nintendo had scorned in favor of Sony. Anyway, it was a big ugly mess.

I won't even get into how Square and Nintendo finally made up.

In other words, while Nintendo was not responsible for creating the Final Fantasy series, they do have a sorded past with the series.

Kingdom Hearts? (1)

Coopa (773302) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170132)

Someone that commented on the article page mentioned that Kingdom Hearts also involces these characters, where does this 'fit' in?

Re:Kingdom Hearts? (1)

Shadwhawk (561728) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170660)

It doesn't really fit in to the FF mythos; it just uses it.
Kingdom Hearts is a surprisingly good game spawned from the unholy partnership between Square and Disney. Many characters from the Final Fantasy games cameo (most of them are player characters from 7, 8, and 10), with a few who are bosses in the arena. Disney Bad Guys make up most of the bosses for the rest of the game, while Disney Good Guys have some supporting roles or are semi-playable characters in your party.
Kingdom Hearts 2 should be out in a year, and Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories for the GBA (a story-bridger between the PS2 games) should be out in November.

Big Screen release... (2, Interesting)

TJ_Phazerhacki (520002) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169257)

I have no doubt that there will be showings on big screens across the country when this thing comes out. However, I sincerely doubt that a Great company would put themselves through anything even resembling the fiasco of Spirits Within on their second release. Lets hold out hope for the next one, and enjoy this one as it comes!

Hmph (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169262)

Stick that news up my butt and give it a swirly!

Creepy Faces (5, Interesting)

Feneric (765069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169267)

I'm in agreement with this article [msn.com] that computer-generated human faces still look creepy. I can't quite place what it is, but computer generated skin (even when done well as it was with Gollum from the LOTR movies) doesn't look right.

Maybe it's that the faces look somehow too regular; maybe it's that they look somehow luminescent.

It's even evident in the little thumnail image at the top of the article.

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

mn3m05yn3 (772460) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169380)

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/demo_dawn.html

The you should check out NVidia's Dawn Demo. It's so real it makes you do a double take.

Re:Creepy Faces (2, Insightful)

Feneric (765069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169461)

Nope, sorry. The images still don't look real to me. Even the thresholds between different objects look wrong somehow.

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

kensai (139597) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169391)

Taking a cue from Doctor Who, but maybe your experiencing a form of Grimwold'S Syndrome.

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

Feneric (765069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169445)

Ah yes, do you mean Robots of Death [bbc.co.uk] ? It's a great episode. I wasn't consciously thinking of it when I posted, but as a long time Dr. Who fan, it may have been lurking in the back of my mind.

Re:Creepy Faces (2, Interesting)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169457)

You better check out Square USA's CGI work in an episode in Animatrix [imdb.com] anthology, as it has photorealistic rendering of human faces much more advanced than FF:Spirits Within. The characters are very very close to real human faces.

As for FF7:Advent Children, those character designs are intentionally more anime-style oriented, reminiscent of the original FF7 designs, so realism is not wanted by viewers. it should be rendered in surrealistically beautiful, fantasic tastes as it is Final Fantasy anyway.

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

LGagnon (762015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169951)

The problem you're thinking of is commonly referred to as the uncanny valley [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

Feneric (765069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170128)

Interesting. The already-mentioned term "Grimwold's Syndrome" is circa 1977 (if not earlier) and the article you reference dates the term "uncanny valley" as being from the late '70s. I wonder which term came first...

In any case I don't see the creepy non-human faces as being frightening, just obviously artificial and a jarring break from whatever mimesis a movie or game is trying to generate.

Re:Creepy Faces (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170134)

I thought the best-looking face in the first FF movie was the old guy. His skin had lots of imperfections and was the most real looking. Everyone else was flawless 20-year-olds that just looked fake, like a wax sculpture or something.

Re:Creepy Faces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170390)

If I remember correctly, they created that character last, which explains why he's the most realistic. (More experience, more advanced technology by then.)

Wow those renders of Venice are photorealistic! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169278)

But they are right about synthetic humans looking creepier and creepier as they get more accurate. Look at the 4th picture down. Quite nightmarish. Even creepier than that last final fantasy movie.

Aeris! (5, Funny)

JohnPerkins (243021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169279)

If you buy 3 large popcorns, 1 small no-ice Dr Pepper, 1 box of Jr Mints, then enter the hidden theater 5 spaces down and 2 spaces to the left of the ticket booth, you can see the version with Aeris resurrected!

Re:Aeris! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169296)

Funniest and creepiest nerd reference to FF7 EVER! MOD UP ASAP!

WHAT!?!? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170322)

You mean Aeris DIED!?

NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo............

Direct-to-Market release (2, Interesting)

Power Everywhere (778645) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169309)

I'm calling it here. They'll include it for a discount when you buy the game.

Re:Direct-to-Market release (2, Informative)

rfunches (800928) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170793)

Releasing it with a game is unlikely. There aren't any FF games at a point in their production cycle that Square Enix could release FFVII:AC with (FFXI will see its second expansion in a little more than a week, FFXII has already been pushed back, Before Crisis: FFVII is already in a Japanese beta, but that's a cellphone game).

It was already announced as a direct-to-market video (in DVD and PSP UMD format). The question now is whether it sees a theatrical release, which it probably could in the US if it does well in Japan first.

EGM Article last month (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169319)

Last month EGM had an article about Advent Children with about 7 or 8 screenshots and it looked to be outstanding! Vincent looks like a real badass, and aparently he and Cloud return to Aries's grave in the movie.

I cant wait!

how can you have a screening (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169327)

if the film "isn't ready"?

[/dumb]

It's a cartoon, not live action. (1)

solios (53048) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169679)

And cartoons, by their very nature, are produced very differently.

For example, Disney's Beauty and the Beast was screened incomplete. Several scenes were animatics.... several scenes were pencil tests, some scenes were inked, some were inked and had paint but no backgrounds. Being a Disney production, the audio track was complete, but they were still busting their butts to get the visuals finished when it was previewed at a film festival (in NYC, I think).

In the case of Advent Children, I imagine "incomplete" would mean sections of black with audio, sections of animatics, possibly renders without textures or lighting... things like that.

Re:how can you have a screening (4, Informative)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169698)

I've seen screenings of many many movies in unfinished states. In some cases (like the Italian Job screeners), they were heavily edited afterwards and had a totally different soundtrack (they had to get the rights to the songs that eventually went into the movie - in the version I saw, the director put whatever he wanted in). In the case of Beauty and the Beast, several scenes cut to black and white sketches, "motion storyboard" to give the idea of the scenes. All the voices and foley were there, but the animation wasn't done.

I, Robot, for instance, wasn't finished until a scant couple weeks before it appeared in wide release. All the effects were still being finished up until then, and the animators were pulling late nights. That's pretty typical.

--
Evan

Sounds familar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170298)

In other words: just like a software project...

-cmh

Re:how can you have a screening (1)

slashrogue (775436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169986)

RTFA... it was a 25-minute preview.

Oh no! (4, Funny)

red floyd (220712) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169387)

Another FF movie? Won't somebody please think of the (advent) Children????

torrent (1)

revery (456516) | more than 9 years ago | (#10169752)

this [66.90.75.92] should be a torrent for it. I am still downloading it, so I don't know for sure yet.

Re:torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170250)

It's an older trailer. Still pretty good.

Kill Square (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169839)

Once upon a time, Square (now Square Enix) was quite receptive to its fan community, and softly encouraged fan activity and fansites. I think that Advent Children shows that respect has disappeared from Square's vision.

Like any other mass entertainment company, today's Square -- without much of the original developers, and without the creator of Final Fantasy [rpgamer.com] -- is out to milk every last drop of gil (or dollars, or euros) from each of their intellectual properties. Damn the fans, and the way they thought FFVII should have ended. Damn _their_ perceptions, thoughts, and extensions of the characters. Marketing uber alles.

Square is dead. Time to move on, people.

Not really a troll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10169844)

But the last time Squaresoft tried to make a movie like this (Spirits Within), it flopped so badly it bankrupted them. Hence now its Square Enix.

I guess its a gutsy think to do actually.

I'm confused? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10170532)

So umm.. is this like a real movie or just a 2 hour long intro to the next FF game? I mean why would the movie be called Final Fantasy VII if its only the second movie.. I figure it takes place after FFVI or something.. which is fine, but shouldnt it have a different name at least.. maybe not FF2 since it probably wouldnt want to be associated with the first movie which bombed (but i actually enjoyed).. but how about just Final Fantasy: Advent Children.. the VII confuses people

Re:I'm confused? (4, Informative)

ALeavitt (636946) | more than 9 years ago | (#10170956)

This is called FF7 because it is a direct sequel to FF7. This is much the same as FFX-2, which recently came out, and was a sequel to Final Fantasy X. As every Final Fantasy has a different universe and storyline, marketing a release as FF7: Advent Children or FFX-2 denotes that these are direct sequels to games with most of the same characters, taking place in the same universe, and picking up where the storyline of the original games left off. Calling the movie simply "Final Fantasy: Advent Children" would be similar to calling it "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within." People would expect certain Final Fantasy aspects, but they would not expect a sequel to an already existing Final Fantasy. The VII serves to clarify, not confuse.
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