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X.org X11 Server Release 6.8

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the to-display-in-window dept.

X 463

kormoc writes "The developers of X.org have just release the long-desired version 6.8.0. This release brings real translucency and allows one to set values on different windows. Also, nifty drop shadows as well as XDamage, an extention that limits redrawing of windows to only the areas that were damaged. The Xcomposite extention is still not stable, but it works well for some people. Why not give it a shot?"

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not stable ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187760)

The Xcomposite extention is still not stable, but it works well for some people. Why not give it a shot?"

yeah, a neckshot.

Comeon... since when do unstable, alpha releases need a front-page announcement ? Either send out a call for testers, or stfu about it.

Well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187795)

We do announce releases of windows... so...

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10188005)

Man, I love these MS jokes. They never get old. This is why when I'm in the basement and Mom yells down "What are you always laughing for?" (cause slashdot has tons of these jokes, no matter what the subject). "Are you drunk?" I have to say "No Mom, I just watched a clip of a guy getting hit in the groin with a dolphin." That way I still look cool by laughing at non-techie things. LOL!!!

Re:not stable ? (4, Informative)

lrandall (686021) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187864)

It's part of a stable X.org release. The unstable extensions are not compiled by default, but they do bear mentioning because they are significant additions to X, and will make huge changes to the eye candy, as well as the utility (eg expose in mac os) of X

but, (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187761)

does it run linux ?

Great. (-1, Redundant)

uncl_bob (529354) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187763)

So now is the time to ditch my DirectFB. Or not.

Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187764)

Really, why?

What is it with drop shadows?

Do they make you appear super l33t h4x0rZ111!11one w00t!!!?

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (4, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187800)

Really, why?

What is it with drop shadows?


They're something that's easy to define, work well in MacOSX and Windows XP, and don't work very well in (some) current X11 servers. So obviously, you're going to get loads of graphics geeks rushing to fix it.

That said, the drop shadows in KDE on XFree86 look fine to me already.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187807)

Did you even read my post?

I said "WHY DO PEOPLE CARE"

I don't care if they look fine or not in KDE, drop shadows are pointless.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187823)

Drop shadows aren't that pointless. You can see more depth and focus more easely on the active window this way.
Not all Eye-candy is as useless as it may seem

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187847)

Firstly, I have 2 eyes, so I can already do depth.

Second, without drop shadows, it is really easy to see which window has focus: <img src="http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/shot2.png"&g t;

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187857)

Firstly, I have 2 eyes, so I can already do depth.

2 eyes only help depth perception when the images they see are different; with a standard computer monitor, this isn't the case.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187878)

But my eyes both see different images of the monitor, so I still get depth perception.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187898)

but there's no depth to percieve you fucking moron. you're looking at a flat image

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187919)

but there's no depth to percieve you fucking moron. you're looking at a flat image

But my screen is at an angle, so I can tell that the top is closer than the bottom. Who is teh morron now?

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187942)

Morons, morons... hmm, let's count them. People who responded to you, thinking you were serious... that's about 6, at 1/2 each for a total of 3 morons... plus you, for being such a complete waste of oxygen and bandwidth, makes a total of four.

Ah! But! The most important metric, the number of FUCKING morons! That's just one, sir. You. Yes, you, the troll. Get back under your bridge, sir, or I shall be forced to say...

"Billy Goat!"

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187985)

At last someone figured I was trolling :-)

10/10 well done.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (5, Funny)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187905)

Yes. You perceive how far away from you the monitor is.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (3, Interesting)

Draoi (99421) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187871)

Firstly, I have 2 eyes, so I can already do depth.

That's of zero use on a 2D screen! Close one eye. Spot the difference? Nope, me neither.

Second, without drop shadows, it is really easy to see which window has focus:

Your URL screwed up. Try this [sourceforge.net] . I disagree with the point that drop shadow interferes with focus. Right now, my focussed window has a *deeper* dropshadow than all the others, giving the illusion that it is actually 'closer', not to mention the outlining, title bar colouring, etc, etc

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187845)

Did you read mine. I answered in my first paragraph -- they care because its something that Windows & MacOS do better, and because it's easy to fix.

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (5, Insightful)

mccalli (323026) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187827)

Really, why?...What is it with drop shadows?

They look good.

That's it. No hidden meaning, no technical advantage, no uberl33th@x0r nonesense, nothing about skinning...just straightfowardly it looks good. No deeper explanation exists. Or needs to exist.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187840)

Really, why?...What is it with drop shadows?

They look good.

That's it. No hidden meaning, no technical advantage, no uberl33th@x0r nonesense, nothing about skinning...just straightfowardly it looks good. No deeper explanation exists. Or needs to exist.

Cheers,
Ian


BUT THINK OF TEH CLOCKSYKELS!12!!21

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (5, Informative)

Draoi (99421) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187841)

Personally, I find that dropshadowing allows layered windows to be clearly delineated even if there isn't a thick (read 'wasteful') border around the windows themselves.

I've five iTerms going right now (yeah, MacOS X). They're all the same colour yet I can easily see where they intersect *and* I can see the text below through the shadow. It's an efficiency thing ...

Re:Why do people care so much about drop shadows? (1)

Phleg (523632) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187966)

Four pixels isn't efficient, it's pedantic.

Drop Shadows? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10188015)

I, for one, welcome our new drop shadowed overlords. That way, we can tell who the overloards actually are.

Is it as good as Citrix? (4, Interesting)

jkrise (535370) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187765)

On the bandwidth requirement fromt? Frankly, I don't u'stand why we don't have a good windowing environment atleast half as good as Citrix so far. The X-Damage stuff could be the ticket though.

-

Re:Is it as good as Citrix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187801)

NX is as good
http://www.nomachine.com/

Re:Is it as good as Citrix? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187851)

Citrix has many things that xorg doesn't have, but if you're interested in good BSD/linux terminal services, take a look at tightvnc [tightvnc.com]
All i miss in this solution is audio :(

Re:Is it as good as Citrix? (5, Insightful)

listen (20464) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187904)

Citrix is a hack.

X may not perform as well, but at least it is designed properly - so you can share per application, or even per window, rather than having a goofy desktop in a window.

The best performing remote desktop solution for X is NX from nomachine. And yes, it does perform better than Citrix.

They have primarily pursued the goofy desktop in a window model as well. But there is nothing in their protocol mandating this : it is merely a limitation of the current client.

Best of all, NX is Free Software released under the GPL. Its a seperate process than the X server, so no legal viruses are going to eat up your nVidia driver.

NX sell a proprietary packaged up version. There is a project called FreeNX aiming to produce a fully Free set of NX tools ; however they appear to be closely allied to KDE, and aim to make it a feature for KDE to lord over Gnome. I hope I'm wrong.

Re:Is it as good as Citrix? (1)

Wudbaer (48473) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187952)


X may not perform as well, but at least it is designed properly - so you can share per application, or even per window, rather than having a goofy desktop in a window.


What Citrix also can do, at least the per application part (never tried per window). You are thinking of MS's RDP (AFAIK derived from Citrix, but another product).

Re:Is it as good as Citrix? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187917)

Hahaha because the OTHER half of the people are saying "Why do we have this network bullshit, it just adds bloat and sucks and I never use it, losers!" while demanding drop shadows, transparency, and other junk that doesn't work well over a network and just adds bloat and sucks and won't be used ;)

Word fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187767)

first post

Gentoo! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187771)

Gentoo users may have access to it first, but will they be the first to be able to run it? Teeheehee!

(Take it as a joke, gentoo fans...)

first "emerge it" post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187799)

gentoo users will just emerge it.

thanks.

Re:first "emerge it" post (-1, Offtopic)

Kynde (324134) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187818)

why emerge it if you don't have place to submerge it?

Re:first "emerge it" post (4, Funny)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187939)

"A man alone in the forest talking to himself and no women around to hear him. Is he still wrong?"

No, he's just waiting for Gentoo to compile X11.

Re:Gentoo! (5, Informative)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 10 years ago | (#10188003)

I accept it as a joke :)

When that is said, the latest release, the 904 drop, compiled in 21 minutes on my machine and has been running perfectly fine for a few days. Ofcourse, I'm running an AMD64 based machine. Your "joke" is actually true if you run a P1 160Mhz box, then it will take weeks to compile ...

WoW! (-1, Redundant)

nKBit (784221) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187772)

I've been waiting for the release for such a long time, finally!!

I am going to install it once there is ebuild available in the gentoo portage!

Release notes (0)

lphuberdeau (774176) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187773)

For those who like to have more details: http://freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.7.0/doc/RELNOTE S.html Sounds like a nice release to me. Now I only have to wait for Gentoo to update portage.

Re:Release notes (4, Informative)

dJOEK (66178) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187789)

I think you mean http://freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.8.0/doc/RELNOTE S.html

as in 6.8.0

Re:Release notes (1)

wackysootroom (243310) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187794)

Wouldn't that be the release notes for the older 6.7.0 release and not the new 6.8 release?

Re:Wrong link- try this one (5, Informative)

bach37 (602070) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187802)

Here [freedesktop.org] for 6.8.0.

Double standards (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187810)

Microsft releases SP2, apparently adversley affects a few computers, Slashdot readers claim WTF, typical M$ releasing buggy software.

X.Org release a piece of software that "works well for some people", Slashdot readers claim "Sounds like a nice release for me".

I claim, WTF, typical OS buggy software.

Re:Double standards (4, Insightful)

955301 (209856) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187862)

No, there is no double standard. You're looking at the wrong metric. Microsoft charges for their software. I've never in my life cut a check to X.Org (although I shall soon - and decide how much myself).

When a company charges for a product or service and it is defective, you try to return it, report the bug, and complain about the problem on discussion groups.

When a volunteer gives you a product for free and it is defective, you let the person know what's wrong, offer to retest it if they try to fix it, and if you have any time & talent to draw on, you offer to fix the problem and send in a patch. You NEVER, EVER complain. The worst you have the right to say is "I hope they take care of it in the next release".

Other than that, in response to your last sentence, on behalf of everyone whose ever given software away for free, STFU.

Re:Double standards (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187893)

SP2 is mostly needed pain to enable security by default, so I don't understand people's beef with it beyond download size. As far as double standards however: There's a difference between a new feature that doesn't always work, and breaking existing stuff. As far as has been reported there's nothing broken in the new X system unless you turn on experimental stuff yourself.

This is kind of how I wouldn't expect the longhorn betas to have a 100% functional Avalon or WinFS, but I'd be annoyed if a later patch caused random simple programs to stop running.

Re:Double standards (2, Informative)

elleomea (749084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187900)

"X.Org release a piece of software that "works well for some people", Slashdot readers claim "Sounds like a nice release for me"."

No. X.Org release a piece of software that includes some experimental extensions which may not work correctly for all users (hence them being experimental). Also, these extensions are switched off by default.

Re:Release notes (1)

ferratus (244145) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187899)

That's the 6.7.0 release notes For the new release, you might want to check this link instead [freedesktop.org] .

Fist post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187775)

Yes!

"Why not give it a shot?" (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187777)

I run XFree, you insensitive clod

real translucency has been in X for years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187778)

...in japan.

Re:real translucency has been in X for years (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187908)

Oh, I thought this was in the Sovjet Russia?

Or you were maybe thinking of the translucent guys after one of these nuclear accidents in Japan?

first dicks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187779)

do i fail it?

Debian (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187780)

I hope this finds it way into Debian soon...

Re:Debian (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187858)

Yes in perhaps 5 years time, they skipped Xfree 4.4 so why not skip this as well :)

Re:Debian (0, Flamebait)

sxpert (139117) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187870)

yeah, will be in debian in a couple of years

Re:Debian (5, Informative)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187996)

It should, now that X developers can work with package maintainers rather than having an establishment work against them (the XFree86 way). Yay for more code and less politics.

Previous long lead times, according the Brandon (Debian's X release manager) were brokenness on some of the platforms Debian supports about which the developers in power didn't care, as well as reams of patches they wouldn't accept (like ones from ATI supporting "new" cards that weren't accepted after 6 months).

The whole point of FreeDesktop was to help everyone coordinate so that the process could be smoother. Most of the poeple on both sides were fed up with the politics and are working to make that the reality now.

This is cool (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187788)

Umm..yeah...XFree86 die die....

X.org is a good thing....yeah...bring on the Aqua-like eye candy I say.

composite rules! (5, Informative)

linuxpoweredtrekkie (659492) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187790)

I installed this from cvs yesterday. The new composite extension amazing, full shadows and transparency possible, yet everything renders faster than i've ever seen X, no flicker whatsoever.

In order to use the composite extension i had to add:

Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection

and
Option "RenderAccel" "true"
to my nvidia driver section of my xorg.conf file

then install xcompmgr to turn it on since kwin doesn't utilise it yet.

Re:composite rules! (-1, Flamebait)

blahbooboo2 (602610) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187937)

The above message is eactly why Linux on the desktop will be a while. I have used linux for almost 10 years. I love it for servers, but it's exactly this type of thing that continually keeps me away from using it as my desktop. Tweak this, change this hidden setting etc to get decent windowing performance. Why is it that Linux always seems to run slower GUI then MS Windoz out of the box? Normal users will never do this type of moding to get decent GUI performance. Heck, I don't even want to do this type of thing, and I don't! lol :) But kudos to you guys who like this stuff, I am glad this is available for you tweakers with time on your hands :)

Re:composite rules! (1)

dpilot (134227) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187983)

Maybe after people like linuxpowertrekkie have fooled with the new extension for a bit, and it's established as *solid*, then Xorg will turn it on by default. I won't argue that it takes some time, and it's behind. But it's also progressing.

Sometimes it's more difficult being able to see behind the curtain, and see the painful aspects of progress happening than it is to have the curtain suddenly pulled aside, and see a 'technology demo' or a 'release candidate' in full action.

In Soviet Russia... (0)

tewmten (608383) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187793)

.. the software shoots you!!

Why not give it a shot?

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187850)

Hey, where is this guys +5? Using tired, repeated jokes is like an instant +5 on Slashdot

Re: In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187867)


> .. the software shoots you!!

> > Why not give it a shot?

Aaaiiieeeee! Top-posting makes its debut on Slashdot! [head explodes, intarweb collapses]

For what just happened (0, Offtopic)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187880)

I don't find this comment interesting, funny or even worthy of a mod point.

There is a time to be funny, and a time to just shut your trap.

Re:For what just happened (1)

W32.Klez.A (656478) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187989)

Let's be gay together baby.

Gentoo fans (4, Informative)

barcodez (580516) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187804)

If you want to find out when it is available in portage without sync then check the portage database [gentoo.org]

Great News, but... (5, Insightful)

wackysootroom (243310) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187811)

Wouldn't it be better to wait until X.org makes a press realease about this? That way, they can prepare for the onslaught of downloads. I seem to remember a version of FreeBSD being announced too early on /. that wasn't really a release.

How about waiting until X.org announces it? Until then, it's just a directory of files on an FTP server.

[OT] Re:Great News, but... (0, Offtopic)

repvik (96666) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187881)

I hate you for your sig...
There is a reason. It's for fucking US residents only. Now will everyone that has that shit in their .sig PLEASE freaking stop?

Re:[OT] Re:Great News, but... (-1, Troll)

jpmkm (160526) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187991)

Hey dude, I thought you might like this:

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Re:Great News, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187953)

I don't think Xorg should be afraid for this, 99% of the Xorg/XFree users will wait till their distro have a package for them or a whole newdistro release with it.

Screenshots (5, Informative)

makkverk (467419) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187822)

Re:Screenshots (3, Interesting)

mc_barron (546164) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187920)

Man, I wish there was a way to identify all the components within a screenshot - too many times I see an amazing linux desktop but have no idea what applications are running to get it looking that way.

For instance, where did they get this kicker bar:
http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=screen_ lynucs_1759409500411796a9ba106_1.jpg [img38.exs.cx]

Also, will drop shadows and tranlucency work with any windows manager (i.e. XFCE4), or do I have to be running Gnome/KDE?

Re:Screenshots (1)

urmensch (314385) | more than 10 years ago | (#10188024)

For instance, where did they get this kicker bar:

I'm not sure but I think that's engage for e17

how much of this is affecting X11 *the* protocol ? (4, Interesting)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187836)

I'm all for innovation and all that, but I've been burned a couple of times with protocols moving around a bit too often (for example mysql protocol between 4.0 and 4.1).

How much is XDAMAGE changing the original X11 protocol on wire ?. I have beed using something called WierdX [jcraft.com] , which is deployed as a JNLP in our project's webserver . Do these new extensions change something fundamental or is it just not applicable for remote X11 ?.

Hmm.. I just wish X11 would use my Video card instead of hogging CPU for those purty gradients and translucent windows.

Re:how much of this is affecting X11 *the* protoco (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187877)

Since the new stuff is in *EXTENSIONS* the core X11 protocol is NOT affected at all. The new extensions have their own protocols, there are facilities in the core X11 protocol to ask the X server whether these extensions are present or not. This is the same for all X11 extensions.

Re:how much of this is affecting X11 *the* protoco (5, Informative)

sxpert (139117) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187888)

well, XDamage is an extension, which means, it doesn't modify the existing protocol, but adds more request/response types to said protocol, via a well defined extension protocol.

Progress (2, Insightful)

littlem (807099) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187842)

This release brings real translucency and allows one to set values on different windows. Also Niffty drop shadows...

Ah, so now the developers will start moving away from XFree86 in droves!

NO T JUST EYE CANDY!!! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187848)


Don't forget that this improves much more then just adding real tranpsarencies!

X is a networking protocol not a gui!

Stuff like XDamage makes it easier to use over slower connections, for example.

The move to more and more extensions and reducing the monolythic nature of X is great. But it's slow and a evolutionary manner. But as you get more and more modular, stability will increase as will speed of developement. Each section can make changes and not worry about the impact on other parts of the X server.

Unlike the monolythic model of lumping everything into Xlibs and making it difficult to program for and adding new features while retiring obsolete ones.

Look forward to things like pure OpenGL enviroment! Now you have to have 2 drivers for every 1 video card... one for 2-d and one for 3-d.

Currently each application must deal with 3-dness independantly of each other. They must deal with the hardware independantly. Does Quake3 work over a network? No! But it can if they move everything to the X server. Each window then would automaticly be hardware accelerated, even if it was originally designed for the old way of doing things. Windows and items can be 3-d straight from the desktop.

That and dozens of other improvements are coming. This XDamage and Composite stuff is just laying the groundwork for more stuff, more progress.

Re:NO T JUST EYE CANDY!!! (-1, Redundant)

Sidicas (691633) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187998)

Does Quake3 work over a network?

Sure it does! My XP box can run it off of my dad's computer (Win98) without installing it on my XP box.. Just double click the executable in the Network Neighborhood and it runs locally. Why stream it through X?

Re:NO T JUST EYE CANDY!!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10188022)

quake3 works just fine over the network. I've screwed around playing it over a 10mbit ssh tunnel.

NVIDIA (nv) driver enhancements (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187852)

This is awesome! From section 3.3 of Release Notes:

The nv driver for NVIDIA cards has been updated as follows:

* Support added to the nv driver for the GeForce FX 5700, which didn't work with XFree86 4.3.
* The driver now does a much better job of auto-detecting which connector of dual output cards the monitor is attached to, and this should reduce or eliminate the need for manual xorg.conf overrides.
* The 2D acceleration for TNT and GeForce has been completely rewritten and its performance should be substantially improved.
* TNT and GeForce cards have a new Xv PutImage adaptor which does scaled YUV bit blits.

http://freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.7.0/doc/RELNOTE S3.html#3 [freedesktop.org]

yum? (2, Interesting)

Whispers_in_the_dark (560817) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187856)

Anyone know when this will get released via yum repositories or is there a repository that has more current stuff for Fedora?

Re:yum? (2, Informative)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187965)

www.fedorafaq.com has a yum.conf replacement that is faster than the main repository and has the updated stuff.

rofl (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187860)

Pretty weird for a duplicate story :-)

6.8 or 6.7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187865)

Not a big fan of X or anything, but is this 6.8 or RC 6.7 as the link says?

Translucency (-1, Troll)

heffrey (229704) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187868)

Anyone know how many years ago Windows did translucency?

Re:Translucency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187913)

Yeah but transperancy is mainly usless, look up any good Human computer Interaction textbook

Re:Translucency (1)

heffrey (229704) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187955)

Well why are X.org wasting time on it then?

Re:Translucency (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187969)

Does anyone know how many years ago Windows did Network Transparency?

Hmmm...

You know how I check my e-mail when I am on my laptop or away from home?

ssh my.desktop's.address evolution

Then it opens up on my laptop, just the same as if I was sitting in front of my computer.

You know I also have multiple X servers.
on my Debian machine:
ctrl-alt-F7 takes me to my Gnome desktop.
ctrl-alt-F8 takes me to my KDE desktop... running from my laptop.
ctrl-alt-F9 takes me to a Fluxbox running quake3 fullscreen on a server.

That's network transparency. I can run multiple X servers running from multiple machines. If I had a Redhat server to admin, I could open up the Redhat desktop on my Debian administration machine. All secure thru ssh tunnels, much better then VNC or Window's remote desktop.

No special software, no special software. Any and all Linux, Unix, or BSD machine running X windows can do this.

I can also have virtual desktops were I can move windows back and forth between them. You can get that with some add-on software in Windows, but it's nothing compared to what I can do.

Eventually I'll be able to do stuff like close out a X server session on one computer, move to another computer and re-open it. Thanks to improvements in X.org.

Stuff like XDamage is going to make this more efficient network-wise, and new tunneling technology will replace the generic tunnelling with OpenSSH with something more geared specificly towards X windows. Newer compression technics and data types will make it even faster ontop of that.

You Windows guys don't know what your missing by not using a OS that has REAL multiuser support (having sudo and actually having it MORE conveinent to be a user rather then logged in as administrator.) with powerfull network technology, in a stable and SECURE enviroment.

X Windows rocks. XFree86 and politics held it back, but now with X.org it is beginning to have the same rate of developement that the rest of Free software enjoys.

Fedora and OpenBSD have new releases every 6 months. Using stuff like apt-get and ports it's EASY and CONVIENENT to keep up to date and patched. All the software gets up to date, not just the core system like in MS.

How often do you Windows guys get to play around with new stuff? Every 6 years, now?

But have they fixed... (1)

ProudClod (752352) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187889)

the Xpixmap issue with the ATI drivers, where Xv refuses to work very often :(

Re:But have they fixed... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187974)

Yes.

Having both both "nvidia" and "nv" in xorg.conf? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187895)

Will future versions of x.org allow me to specify an alterntive backup graphic card driver in my xorg.conf?

Use "nvidia", but if that fails use "nv".

This feature would be worth a thousand dropshadow effects :)

Re:Having both both "nvidia" and "nv" in xorg.conf (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10188013)

You could have mutliple layouts.

That way you could switch between drivers without having to edit your xorg.conf file. That's been possible for a while.

you'd specify a default layout and a alternative layout (call it unaccl for example) and go like this:

startx

if that doesn't work then go:

startx -- -layout unaccl

there are examples on the web if you look around. I use one setup for my dual screen, but some games don't like that, so I have a second layout for just one screen.

does it work with wine? (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187901)

I had to use Xfree 4.4 to get photoshop working with wine because of some bug in X.org 6.7, does anyone know if this has been fixed?

Goodbye to XFree forever (5, Insightful)

lrandall (686021) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187914)

I think that this release, just (about) 9 months after the fork from XFree, shows what talented X developers we have, who were being stifled by the XFree politics.

I am glad to see the amount of progress that is being made, and can only imagine what time will bring now that there is a way to actually contribute code to the X codebase again.

Kudos to KP, JG et al...

Help ! I'm all mixed up with X version numbers... (3, Interesting)

dom1234 (695331) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187933)

Could somebody clarify it all ?

There's http://xfree.org and there's http://x.org . What's the difference between both ? And about the version numbers ? What do they stand for ? I have X11R6, v. 4.3 or something like that installed on my computer, and now they announce X version 6.8.0 ?! What does the 6 mean ? The 11 ? The 6.8.0 ? (And where the hell does the X come from ?)

Thanks in advance !

Screw the eye candy, where is the integration? (-1, Flamebait)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187940)

When can we see a trusted computing environment? (gui down) When will we see fully improved network/remote access?

When will we see some innovation instead of eye candy? Why does something have to be invented on OSX or Windows instead of pioneered on linux?

The hooks for modular gui plugins should be there - just as with any gui. OS/2 had the object based interface, windows has the pretty indepth theme integration and OSX has the PDF display..

Why not work on something to compete against microsofts new gui/api interffaces based upon 3d rendering instead of pixel rendering? why not kill 2d before the competition and work on an graphical interface that is competitive instead of intriguing.

Quick release cycles don't do anything for corporate adoption. Give us the "killer app" - in this case a desktop/windowing system that delivers everything we seem to bash in other systems as insecure or proprietary.

What?! (3, Funny)

doob (103898) | more than 10 years ago | (#10187954)

From the release notes:

"OpenGL is now supported for printing"

Anyone care to explain this bizarre concept? Can I now connect my graphics card directly to my printer? :)

Again? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10187968)

Is it just me, or are we hearing about this *again*? Port it to Solaris already.

MICROSOFT... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10188004)

Has been able to do this fucking shit since Windows 3.xx

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