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DVD / Hard Drive Recorder With 28-Day Capacity

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the that's-a-month-of-sundays dept.

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fenimor writes "Panasonic today unveiled new DVD-recoders with astonishing 709 hours video recording capacity. The top model has onboard components of a good PC: 400GB hard drive, Ethernet port, broadband receiver, SD Memory Card slot, and a PCMCIA card. The DVD recorder is the fastest in the industry as it can record a one-hour program onto DVD-R disc in just 56 seconds. Internet access allows users to program recording through cell phones or PCs while away from home."

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U.S. death toll in Iraq tops 10,000 (-1, Offtopic)

Hot Summer Nights (771962) | about 10 years ago | (#10194806)

U.S. death toll in Iraq tops 10,000

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. troops clashed with suspected Shia Muslim insurgents in the Sadr City slum Tuesday in violence that killed 351 Iraqis and 27 soldiers and helped propel the U.S. military death toll since the war began over 10,000.

The fighting in Sadr City exposed the absence of a lasting and wider truce after the end of last month's bloody battles in Najaf. U.S. forces Tuesday faced a barrage of rocket-propelled grenade attacks and improvised explosives.

Another U.S. soldier was killed elsewhere in Baghdad Tuesday, and the day's toll culminated a three-day burst of bloodshed that killed at least 163 Americans -- including 115 who were struck on Monday alone -- making it the deadliest day for U.S. forces in five months.

The grim toll of more than 10,000 U.S. war dead since the war began in March 2003 -- an Associated Press tally put the figure at 10,021 -- captured the human cost of the war for average Americans.

While there is no precise tally of Iraqi deaths since the war began, estimates have ranged as high as 100,000.

Elsewhere in Baghdad, armed men launched a daylight raid Tuesday on an Italian aid organization and took two Italian women and two Iraqi employees hostage. Dozens of foreign men have been kidnapped in Iraq in recent months -- one Italian journalist was seized last month and reportedly killed -- but kidnappings of foreign women are extremely rare. A Japanese aid worker captured in April in Fallujah was released after a week.

The Italian women kidnapped Tuesday were identified as Simona Torretta and Simona Pari, both 29, according to a spokesman for the aid organization "A Bridge To ... " The organization supplies water and medicine to Fallujah, Najaf and Baghdad.

In Italy, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi assembled an emergency meeting, his office said.

A day after a suicide bomber killed 73 U.S. Marines and 38 members of the Iraqi National Guard outside Fallujah, U.S. warplanes and tanks also fired on suspected militants in the city, considered a haven for insurgents in the Sunni Triangle north and west of Baghdad.

Ali al-Haidri, the governor of Baghdad, meanwhile, escaped unharmed when a roadside bomb exploded nearby, killing 23 people and wounding 35 of his bodyguards.

The fighting in Sadr City was an ominous sign just two weeks after the end of clashes in the Shia holy city in Najaf raised hopes of fewer bloody confrontations between U.S. troops and members of the Mahdi Army militia.

Last week, rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr called on his followers to stop confronting U.S. troops elsewhere, according to aides who indicated he planned to get involved in politics -- which further bolstered those hopes.

Yet Tuesday's clashes showed the persistent potential for violence between U.S. troops who maintain a formidable street presence in Baghdad and al-Sadr followers who want to limit that presence in the slum.

"Our fighters have no choice but to return fire and to face the U.S. forces and helicopters pounding our houses," Sheik Raed al-Kadhimi, an al-Sadr spokesman in Baghdad, said in a statement.

Re:U.S. death toll in Iraq tops 10,000 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194896)

War! Huh! Good God, y'all! What is it good for?

Re:U.S. death toll in Iraq tops 10,000 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194951)

At least if you're going to spam shit, spam real shit. The count of 1,003 includes 1,000 U.S. service members and three civilians, two working for the U.S. Army and one for the Air Force. The tally was compiled by The Associated Press based on Pentagon records and reporting. It includes deaths from hostile and nonhostile causes since President Bush launched the Iraq campaign in March 2003 to topple the government of Saddam Hussein. A surge in fighting has killed 17 U.S. service members in recent days. A soldier was killed early today in a roadside blast; seven soldiers died in clashes Tuesday; seven Marines were killed Monday; and two soldiers were killed Sunday. The U.S. military has not reported overall Iraqi deaths. The Iraqi Health Ministry started counting the dead in April, when heavy fighting broke out in Fallujah and Najaf. Conservative estimates by private groups place the Iraqi toll at at least 10,000, or 10 times the number of U.S. military deaths.

CAMEL JOCKEYS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195043)

Just so long as long as we're killing towelheads, I don't care what it takes. I like having a 1:1000 ratio, though.

Praise Allah!

[edit: I've just been informed they are sheetheads, not towelheads. I guess it's small sheet they wear. My bad.]

burnin' (5, Funny)

dirvish (574948) | about 10 years ago | (#10194814)

Oooh, that will go nicely with my Netflix account. ;)

Re:burnin' (4, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | about 10 years ago | (#10194848)

Exactly... I think we're going to see some decrease in sales of DVD's as products like this start becoming popular (and cheaper). How long before the MPAA attacks these sort of devices (again) especially ones like this that will allow trading of content very easily.

Re:burnin' (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10194885)

Does this decode CSS for you?

If not, the MPAA doesn't care.

Re:burnin' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194922)

Haven't read the article yet, but if it is like most of the other dvd recorders I have seen it will only record from a TV source and can't copy dvds to the internal hard drive.

Re:burnin' (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about 10 years ago | (#10194936)

It'll go even more nicely with the shouts of "Code Blue" and crash teams rushing to the offices of various MPAA and Hollywood execs. I predict this thing is going to have enough red tape thrown at it to reach to the moon and back in an attempt to prevent it getting to as many markets as possible.

Meanwhile, the article a little light on the two details that matter most; "how much?" and "where from?". Anyone?

Re:burnin' (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | about 10 years ago | (#10195095)

"Meanwhile, the article a little light on the two details that matter most; "how much?" and "where from?". Anyone?" Thanks. I was wondering those facts because the the article is slashdoted. Now I know I'm not missing anything. www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA

Re:burnin' (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195089)

Such copying of DVDs is against both the spirit and practice of law. If you do indeed copy DVDs as such, your actions will both in aggregate increase the price of goods for others and decrease general welfare by causing increased restrictions, both legal and technological, to be imposed on future products.

Hmm... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194821)

DVD recoders?

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195046)

I think that's where they take the DVD and use DivX to make it fit on a CD. :o)

Uh oh!!! (1)

graveyardduckx (735761) | about 10 years ago | (#10194827)

What happens when some script kiddie gets a dozen of these to record cable-pr0n and get people into trouble with their spouses/parents?

Recoder? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194828)

RECORDER

Obligatory... (-1, Offtopic)

WD_40 (156877) | about 10 years ago | (#10194830)

...Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

Re:Obligatory... (1)

DrLZRDMN (728996) | about 10 years ago | (#10194913)

Or, more accuratly, a RAID.

Re:Obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194947)

I don't see why people don't karma bomb these idiots with their "obligatory" lame posts. These are far more obnoxious than the GNAA and the like, because being posted by subscribers, you often actually SEE them. God.

Damn. That's nice. (-1, Redundant)

Clay Mitchell (43630) | about 10 years ago | (#10194831)

I'd hit it.

Re:Damn. That's nice. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195040)

-1, Fark

Screenshots? (1)

jared_hanson (514797) | about 10 years ago | (#10194847)

Does anyone know of anyplace that shows screenshots of the DIGA DVR interface. Plenty of places show the TiVo interface, but I find it quite hard to do an accurate comparison between TiVo and anything else, simply because I've never seen the interface available. Anytime I walk into a Best Buy, none of these units are hooked up to a TV, so that is no help either.

Re:Screenshots? (1)

russint (793669) | about 10 years ago | (#10194946)

Isn't Best Buy filled with worthless "can i help you"-bots? Just ask one of them to hook it up.

Re:Screenshots? (1)

Mateito (746185) | about 10 years ago | (#10195079)

Yep... but the corperate environment discourages employees from actually learning about stuff, as its valuable time that could be spent stuffing extended warranties down people's throats:

See here [bestbuysux.org]

plenty (5, Funny)

el_salvador (681607) | about 10 years ago | (#10194853)

of space for the sex lifes of all slashdot readers i guess

Re:plenty (4, Funny)

Oxy the moron (770724) | about 10 years ago | (#10195083)

Though I was thinking that the majority of /. sex lives could be contained on the now dead floppy disk [slashdot.org] . =]

not really (4, Funny)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 10 years ago | (#10195104)

Actually, I doubt you can fit the pr0n collection of a single slashdotter on that 400Gb drive.

too long (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194857)

56 seconds? But I want it now!

A 'good' PC? (3, Interesting)

93,000 (150453) | about 10 years ago | (#10194859)

". . . onboard components of a good PC: 400GB hard drive . . ."

Um, I thought my 120 gig was pretty swell. If 'good' is 400GB, I wonder what constitutes 'great?'

One hour in 56 seconds (5, Funny)

jrumney (197329) | about 10 years ago | (#10194865)

The DVD recorder is the fastest in the industry as it can record a one-hour program onto DVD-R disc in just 56 seconds.

Easy! All it needs to do is detect and remove the ad breaks.

Re:One hour in 56 seconds (3, Funny)

Wilk4 (632760) | about 10 years ago | (#10194908)

yeah, removing the ads from typical TV shows leaves you with just 56 seconds of video... easy to record in 56 seconds. ;-)

seriously, doesn't 56 seconds seem like a typo? I can't copy that much video from one spot to another on my hard drive in that time... how is a DVD recorder that fast? yeah, yeah, I'll go read the article now - except that it's slashdotted ... sigh...

Re:One hour in 56 seconds (5, Insightful)

jrumney (197329) | about 10 years ago | (#10195015)

seriously, doesn't 56 seconds seem like a typo?

Not really. It does seem like the marketing version of the story though, as they are certainly talking about raw write time, not including compression time etc. My guess is the steps go like this:

  1. Capture one hour of TV.
  2. Possibly cheat by removing ad breaks, leaving around 40 minutes.
  3. Compress to MPEG4. Think VHS quality, not near-DVD.
  4. Defrag hard drive
  5. Start timer
  6. Write to DVD
  7. Stop timer: 56 seconds.

Re:One hour in 56 seconds (2, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | about 10 years ago | (#10195097)

doesn't 56 seconds seem like a typo?

Not at all. Since it doesn't say what level of compression was used on the one hour of video, I think it's reasonable to assume it's the one with the most. If so, and the thing can store 709 hours of video in 400GB, then that's just over half a GB of data, or about 10MB/s.

Cost inefficient? (5, Insightful)

scowling (215030) | about 10 years ago | (#10194866)

OK. I have a computer with video in, a DVD+-R drive and 300 GB of hard drive space. Just about anybody upgrade their system with the same for about $400. Right? A little more if you want digital video in.

And it's user-friendly. Got a remote control and everything.

So how much is Panasonic's system, and how would it be better for me than what I've already got.

Re:Cost inefficient? (3, Insightful)

genericacct (692294) | about 10 years ago | (#10194923)

User-friendly to set up, silent, attractive. Price notwithstanding, this is an option to most consumers, most of whom have never even heard of Windows Media Center. For you, though, if your computer isn't deafening, keep what you've got.

Re:Cost inefficient? (5, Informative)

j-turkey (187775) | about 10 years ago | (#10194986)

So how much is Panasonic's system, and how would it be better for me than what I've already got.

I've set up a few PC-based PVR's and the TiVo and Panasonic ReplayTV's that I've used kick the crap out of them all (I haven't seen MythTV yet).

The interface is cleaner, it's easier to use, there is very little to set up, it doesn't require a clunky PC, and integrates nicely with whatever you've got in your home entertainment system (except for HDTV).

What can it offer you? I don't know. Maybe you're superman with your gear and can set up a seamless MythTV install in minutes. I'm not, although I have the know-how to do what I need -- and in my house, I don't even own a TV, so it's all via my personal computer. The prepackaged systems are pretty cool though -- it's a compelling package no matter who you are.

IMO, where your PC is really cool is for things like watching DivX and other downloaded videos...trying to integrate it into a system that you can use every day. I don't mind using my OS for that -- but again, the TiVo and Replay systems are pretty compelling like that. Cheaper to run, and they just work.

Re:Cost inefficient? (1)

skiflyer (716312) | about 10 years ago | (#10195026)

More and more people are going the laptop route... so it helps us I guess.

Also the programability via cell phone and whatnot... all hackable solutions for a geek, but a nice freebie to get in a box.

Now what'd make this something I might actually buy is if I can plug my laptop into it and use it as a regular DVD Burner as well. What'll make this something I'd never go near is if it records in some funky format that only it can read.

Server had no chance.. (1)

StormyWeather (543593) | about 10 years ago | (#10194872)

At one comment posted the server was already toast. If anyone has an alternative link it would be great if you would post it. I would like to know what this "28 day capacity" means. If they limit your ability to access data to 28 days then it's a joke no matter how much data you can store on it.

Re:Server had no chance.. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10194906)

It's a DVR with a built in DVD-burner. The DVR has a 400 gig hard drive, so they say it can hold 700 hours worth of TV.

Re:Server had no chance.. (1)

BenFranske (646563) | about 10 years ago | (#10194928)

Engadget has a brief article [engadget.com] . I'll keep looking for better information though.

Re:Server had no chance.. (1)

BenFranske (646563) | about 10 years ago | (#10194959)

There's also a press release [japancorp.net] on JCNNetwork.

Duh... (1)

El (94934) | about 10 years ago | (#10194930)

709 hours / 24 hours per day = 29.5 days straight of recording time. Basically, you can take a month-long vacation, come back, and catch up on all your favorite programs. If course, what it doesn't say is whether or not you can record two different channels simultaneously.

Re:Duh... (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about 10 years ago | (#10195057)

Actually, it does, but only on two of the models:

Equipped with two TV tuners, the DMR-E330H and DMR-E220H can record alternate television programs simultaneously onto the hard disk drive.

Obviously (0, Troll)

penguinoid (724646) | about 10 years ago | (#10195035)

they are running the webpage on a hard drive with linux and at internet connection

Heh (5, Funny)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 10 years ago | (#10194873)

I wonder if you can plug a webcam into one of those things. 700 hours... yep, no need to change tape too often, and that DVD burning speed will also be handy for archiving. But now you will always be able to tell your girlgriend what exactly she did at 16:34, 15 days ago.

Not so fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194874)

Six days using this thing and then comes the compression depression. That is, how's the quality?

Recoder? (-1, Offtopic)

ttrafford (62500) | about 10 years ago | (#10194875)

- I just met her!

Bah! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194879)

Already /.ed

/.'d already? (0, Redundant)

mr_zorg (259994) | about 10 years ago | (#10194887)

Man, not even any comments above my threshold and /.'d already... Anyone got a mirror?

Re:/.'d already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194977)

Just got it. Here's the text - there are pics, but they just look like a standard silver DVD player from the front.

Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd., best known for its Panasonic brand products, today unveiled five new models of DIGA DVD recorders. The recorders have 160 to 400 GB hard disk drives, providing massive recording and storage, high-speed dubbing, and superb home and mobile networking capabilities. The new products, DMR-E500H, DMR-E330H, DMR-E220H, DMR-250V and DMR-E87H will be introduced in the Japanese market from September 21.

The DMR-E500H high-end model in the DIGA DVD recorder range, features a built-in 400GB hard disk drive with a recording capacity of 709 hours of video in EP mode. It offers high-speed dubbing from hard disk drive onto DVD-RAM at speeds of 40x and onto DVD-R disc up to 64x in EP mode. This makes the DMR-500H the fastest DVD recorder in the industry as it can record a one-hour program onto DVD-R disc in just 56 seconds.

With its Ethernet port and a broadband receiver, the DMR-E500H offers convenience for home and mobile networking. With Ethernet connection, MPEG4 video and JPEG photos can be viewed by a PC*1 in another room. Using two DMR-E500Hs, MPEG2 video on one can be accessed by the other on the LAN. Broadband Internet access allows users to program recording through such mobile devices as cell phones*2 and PCs while away from home. Users can transfer pictures between the DVD recorder and their mobile device.

The DMR-E500H has an SD Memory Card slot and a PCMCIA card slot to transfer MPEG data at high speeds for storage or use in other devices. Using an SD Memory Card, it's easy to transfer video and still photos recorded by other digital AV products, such as digital still cameras, to the DMR-E500H for editing or storage on the hard disk or DVD discs. It can record MPEG4 image data simultaneously while recording MPEG2 data onto the hard disk. The MPEG4 data can be transferred to an SD Memory Card and played back on a Panasonic D-Snap SD video camera.

Other models in the new DIGA line-up include the DMR-E330H with 250GB hard disk drive, the DMR-E220H with 160GB hard disk drive, the DMR-E250V, a 3-in-1 DVD recorder with VHS recorder and 160GB hard disk drive, and the DMR-E87H with 160GB hard disk drive.

Equipped with two TV tuners, the DMR-E330H and DMR-E220H can record alternate television programs simultaneously onto the hard disk drive. The DMR-E500H, DMR-E330H, DMR-E220H and DMR-E87H, all offer high-speed recording from the hard disk drive to DVD-RAM at speeds of 40x and onto DVD-R disk up to 64x (both in EP mode).

The five new models take Panasonic's DIGA family to nine members, including the DMR-E700BD, BD (Blu-ray)/DVD recorder released on July 31, 2004. Panasonic continues to respond to the diverse needs of consumers and leads the way in the DVD recorder market.

How soon till it becomes illegal? (4, Funny)

gambit3 (463693) | about 10 years ago | (#10194889)


Surely, we can't let these BLATANTLY piracy-inducing machines to make criminals of all our poor innocent children!!

Quick, someone call Jack Valenti!

How's that supposed to work? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194895)

One hour (60 minutes) written to disk in less than a minute? Where did the 60x DVD writer come from? Or are they using some extraordinarily high and crappy looking compression ratio?

Re:How's that supposed to work? (2)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10194965)

It also only says it writes an hour of video in 56 seconds, but it doesn't say that it does it on DVD. How long does it take to write a CD at 48x+?

It's not a DVD-Video disc, obviously. It's just dumping a CD-sized MPEG-4 onto the disc, or hell even less. I could make an hour-long video clip that would fit on a couple floppies, but I cant imagine it being worth watching.

Re:How's that supposed to work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195061)

From the summary: "The DVD recorder is the fastest in the industry as it can record a one-hour program onto DVD-R disc in just 56 seconds"

Leaves very little room for interpretation.

Re:How's that supposed to work? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195123)

Let's see.

400 GB/709 HR = 577 MB per minute.

1x DVD is about 4.8 GB/HR.
8X DVD is 8 times faster or 600 MB per minute.

Typo: I think it's a DVR not DVD. (0, Troll)

glrotate (300695) | about 10 years ago | (#10194897)

The 400GB hard drive is the main clue.

Re:Typo: I think it's a DVR not DVD. (1)

skiflyer (716312) | about 10 years ago | (#10195065)

I think it's actually a DVR which can burn content to a DVD.

Re:Typo: I think it's a DVR not DVD. (2, Informative)

BenFranske (646563) | about 10 years ago | (#10195085)

No! RTFA, it's a combined unit (Panasonic has other ones already availible) think DVR with the capability to burn DVDs. The article headline is correct (well maybe not about the 28 day part unless you don't mind your video looking like crap)

Oh. Duh (5, Funny)

boomgopher (627124) | about 10 years ago | (#10194903)

I first thought "28-Day Capacity" meant the contents disappear after 28 days, and that this was just another MPAA scheme. :)

Re:Oh. Duh (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 10 years ago | (#10195070)

Perhaps you're right. It also won't let you watch the recorded contents until the entire HDD is full.

Re:Oh. Duh (1)

ricotest (807136) | about 10 years ago | (#10195102)

*disc disintegrates in hands*

My entire pr0n collection.... NOOOO!!!

28 Days (4, Funny)

Mateito (746185) | about 10 years ago | (#10194905)

DVD / Hard Drive Recorder With 28-Day Capacity

Obviously, to fill that capacity you'll need one of these. [amazon.com]

Okay... so its a dumb joke. Give me a break. I've got a chronic ear-wax build up and its giving me a migraine.

Re:28 Days (1)

DrLZRDMN (728996) | about 10 years ago | (#10194960)

One of these [amazon.com] might work too.

Re:28 Days (1)

Mateito (746185) | about 10 years ago | (#10194984)

Yeah, but you'd have to buy that one afterwards.

Re:28 Days (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194963)

Ya, and it's sequel [amazon.com]

How can you WATCH that much TV?!? (5, Insightful)

the_skywise (189793) | about 10 years ago | (#10194910)

I've got a Tivo with 120 hours on it. I can't KEEP UP with it. Half the stuff "spills off" for having too many copies (I stick with the default 5 episodes max for most things) or the suggestions just time out.

Granted, it's nice to be able to thumb through that much content when I don't feel like my normal stuff, but 700 hours worth!? (Yeah, there's always archival and keeping your DVD library on the hard drive is convenient but... c'mon... how hard is it to pull the DVD out of the case and put it into the drive?)

Re:How can you WATCH that much TV?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194971)

What if you're crippled? Or worse, what if you are fat and have to masturbate to 13 hours of anime everyday?

Re:How can you WATCH that much TV?!? (1)

BenFranske (646563) | about 10 years ago | (#10195058)

You could record in higher quality which will eat the disk space faster. Or perhaps you're a packrat and want to save copies of shows without burning them to DVD.

And it works as a web server, too! (-1, Redundant)

Brento (26177) | about 10 years ago | (#10194912)

They're showing a proof of concept by hosting the linked article on it! (rimshot) Oh, it's - it's down already? Oh.

Re:And it works as a web server, too! (1)

CrackHappy (625183) | about 10 years ago | (#10195019)

Beautiful - that sounds exactly like a Family Guy quote.

What happens... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194916)

28 days later?

Thanks. I'll be here all night.

TYPO! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194920)

of a good... umm you ment god right...

mo3 u4 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194924)

and Juliet 40,000 And mortifying Own lu3e, beveragE, One Here but now

709 hours into 400GB? (0)

Fweeky (41046) | about 10 years ago | (#10194926)

That's around 160kbps [google.com] ; barely enough for decent audio, never mind video.

Bits != Bytes (1)

El (94934) | about 10 years ago | (#10194997)

Actually, that's less than 160 KBytes/second, which would be 1.28 Mbits/second... still, that seems pretty lossy for video.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (5, Informative)

Eric Sharkey (1717) | about 10 years ago | (#10194998)

That's around 160 KB/s, not Kb/s. That works out to 1.2Mb/s, which is passable for basic quality video.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194999)

Mod this up. This misinformation will not stand.

Upper case B. (1, Redundant)

3770 (560838) | about 10 years ago | (#10195008)

Google says 160 kBps. Upper case B means Bytes. So that would be 1280 kbits/s.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (1, Redundant)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10195013)

Dumbass. Read your result again. kBps. Notice the capital B. Bytes not bits

Think of an hours worth of MPEG4. Fits on a CD easily, doesn't it? 512megs per hour sounds reasonable. That's with 5.1 dolby and fancy shit.

I'm surprised they aren't claiming it holds 800+ hours of video, or even more. What if I just want to archive C-SPAN, and can live with a lower resolution, and 22khz mono audio?

BYTES,not bits... (1)

imsabbel (611519) | about 10 years ago | (#10195017)

And 160 KByte/s is almost DVD-quality with a good source and a good divx/mpeg4 encoder. Too bad that this thing will probably just use a cif-format and low bitrate mpeg2, thus looking like crap, but theoretically its possible.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195024)

No it's not 164 kbps, it's 1314 kbps [google.com] . Still, not enough, IMO, but all the DirecTV people out there seem to think it's enough.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195029)

No, it's 1.27Mbps (you're off by a factor of 8). That's almost uncompressed CD audio.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (1)

pcosta (236434) | about 10 years ago | (#10195041)

It's actually 160kBps.

Re:709 hours into 400GB? (1)

mealtime_warrior (785122) | about 10 years ago | (#10195075)

Oops. You missed the fact that it is 160 kBps. You meant kbps, which is 160*8 = 1280 kbps.

700 hours of TV! (5, Funny)

Kotukunui (410332) | about 10 years ago | (#10194927)

Great. Now all we need is some decent programs to record. I don't think there has been 700 hours of quality television in the history of the medium. (called a medium because it is neither rare nor well done - ba-dum-chhh!)

Re:700 hours of TV! (1)

CdBee (742846) | about 10 years ago | (#10195100)

However, if it allowed you to copy your DVDs to the internal Hard Drive and access them from an on-screen menu, THEN we'd have a reason to buy it.

This is surely the next step in evolution, but unlike the iPod and iTunes combo, nobody's made a DVD/DVR-with-Hard-Drive that stores DVDs as far as I'm aware

Lies. The bandwidth total for a 30 min of NTSC... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10194956)

Lies. The bandwidth total for a 30 min of NTSC is over 10 times the storage they claim is similar to a TV broadcast, expecially if the show was full of cut scenes special effects (music videos) and hi freq static.

Advertisers love to lie by factors of 10

Advertisers love to claim that standard VHS NTSC is three times crappier than it actually is.

Sony loves to do it this month with their non-mp3 mp3 players specs and storage and battery life.

Now the idiocy just keeps gettign out of hand.

Remember the year 1991 : Hard drives from many many suppliers claimed over 100,000 hours MTBF.

100,000 hours!!! some claimed 150,000!!! its all started with a lie that kept douobling every couple years.

Now we have 56 second total time to burn a genuine broadcast.

In three years they will claim 4 milliseconds.

goddamned liars

Finally a product that people want. (5, Interesting)

Facekhan (445017) | about 10 years ago | (#10194969)

As to a commercial deletion feature. I will settle for a gain detector (in case you had not noticed commercials are significantly louder than the program itself) that creates a seperate chapter for commercial breaks that can be skipped easily if the viewer desires. That will satisfy the broadcasters that the commercials are being seen, while letting the users do what they have every right to do, skip the ads on recordings.

Picture quality for "28 days" level will suck hard (3, Informative)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about 10 years ago | (#10194976)

My 80Gb Tivo will record 80 hours (3 1/3 days) of video at "Basic Quality," which is equivalent to a low quality VHS recording (by VHS standards). Therefore, a 400Gb hard drive, using Tivo's standards anyway, will yield 16 2/3 days of video--yet they claim 28 days at that capacity. If that is the case, the picture will suck so much that you'll have to up the recording quality level and will get much less than 28 days worth of video.

Re:Picture quality for "28 days" level will suck h (1)

stratjakt (596332) | about 10 years ago | (#10195067)

Perhaps they use a better codec than TiVo?

IIRC, TiVos are (were?) using MPEG-2. I've seen plenty of 2 hour DIVX's (MPEG-4) that fit onto a 700mb CD with excellent picture quality.

No need for CD-quality audio either, broadcast audio isn't quite CD-quality.

This will be handy... (4, Funny)

penguinoid (724646) | about 10 years ago | (#10194978)

a very useful part for my electrical engineering project,
which I will be setting up in the girl's bathroom.

Re:This will be handy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195069)

Criminy - when you spell it "the girl's", it really sounds like you're talking about your daughter.

It's "the girls", because it accomodates many females and none of them, most likely, actually own the bathroom. Another example is "mens club", which is neither spelled "mens' club" nor "men's club".

28 days later (1, Funny)

kensai (139597) | about 10 years ago | (#10194981)

is when the zombies come.

Translation for my bro's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195007)

Posted by timothy on Wednesday September 08, @05:29PM
from da that's-a-month-of-sundays dept, know what I'm sayin'?
fenimor writes "Panasonic today unveiled new Porno Disc-recoders wit astonishing 709 hours video recording capacity." The top model has onboard components of a gravy PC: 400GB hard drive, Ethernet port, broadband receiver, SD Memory Card slot, 'n a PCMCIA card, know what I'm sayin'? The Porno Disc recorder is da fastest in da industry as that shiznit can record a one-hour program onto Porno Disc-R disc in just 56 seconds n' shit. Internet access allows users program recording through cell phones or PCs while away from crib." "

28 Days... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195030)

Great! Now I can time when the Zombies [imdb.com] are going to die!

Why not call this site "Cory Doctorow's memos?" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10195031)

13 of the 16 articles today are from "Timothy," the pseudonym of Cory Doctorow. As we all know, Doctorow is making a great career out of keeping everyone afraid, very afraid, of evil cardboard-cutout imaginary villains out to destroy open source and lock up copyright. Like George W. Bush, Doctorow plays the fear card relentlessly and shamelessly, with no more conscience than a pinworm. And now he's submitted 13 of today's 16 stories. Why not just come clean, and call this CORY DOCTOROW'S BE AFRAID, BE VERY VERY AFRAID, ABOUT EVIL ANTI-OPEN-SOURCE BOGEYMEN SITE ?

Obviously Still a Beta (2, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 10 years ago | (#10195047)

unveiled new DVD-recoders

And they're going to keep re-coding the thing until they get it right!

Beta - no relationship to Betamax.

Wouldn't (0, Troll)

wpiman (739077) | about 10 years ago | (#10195053)

That is alot of porn. I wonder if I have enough spunk to buy one of these things......

Remote Programming(!) (5, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | about 10 years ago | (#10195106)

Internet access allows users to program recording through cell phones or PCs while away from home."

This would be highly welcome as I'm often away from home and miss shows I might want to record, also could give peace of mind that it is programmed to record the show you really really really don't want to miss.

Of course, it being PC-like and on the internet, I wonder how secure it is. I'd hate to got on a trip in July, hoping this is recording stages of the Tour de France and coming home to a title "SUXX0RS11 UR 0WN3D1!" and a mess of Oprah shows.

the horror, the horror

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