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346 comments

A big stick and a dead horse (5, Insightful)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221925)

Lucas is going to milk this story for all it's worth. He won't be satisfied until Star Wars is the campiest sci-fi series ever put on film. If he would have stopped after the first 3 movies, he would have been remembered as one of the greatest sci-fi producers ever. After the first 2 new episodes came out, the franchise has started to become the ass end of sci-fi jokes. I don't see another 3 improving the image of the series.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (5, Insightful)

sqmagellan (548766) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221950)

I can see another triology helping the Star Wars genre, but only if Lucas steps down as either Writer or Director. Sure, he can make some wonderful special effects, but he needs more creative imput if he plans his new saga touching more than just the most hardcore of fans.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10221969)

He won't be satisfied until Star Wars is the campiest sci-fi series ever put on film.

Shit, I though he had that down when the Star Wars Holiday Special came out. At least Carrie Fischer is off drugs and that Golden Girl who sang is out of movie making.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (5, Insightful)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222107)

Star Wars is NOT sci-fi!

It's fantasy.

That is all.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (3, Insightful)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222146)

Fantasy is a sub-genere of Sci-fi. It was a reinvention of the dead heroic myth genere in the late 19th century after science fiction writers like Jules Verne (!) proved that the novel-reading audience would read blatantly not-true stories.

Any definition you use for the difference between fantasy and sci-fi can be bent or broken by numerous excellent works, even though each subgenere is distinct into itself.

So, "Science Fiction" has three subgenres:

Fantasy, like LOTR or my own (unpublished) novel. Willing to change basic understandings of the universe and disregard Earth entirely.

Hard Sci Fi, like The Time Machine or Asimov's Robot series. Doesn't change any basic knowledge, but instead introduces a few "future developments" and explores their ramification here on Earth.

Soft Sci Fi, like 2001 or Asimov's foundation series, or Star Trek, which change something basic about reality.

Hmm... yeah, SW is fantasy. But it's still part of Sci-Fi.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (5, Insightful)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222157)

Sadly, I've got no mod points, so I will post instead.

I agree 100%. Star wars is fantasy. The only diference between SW and Lord of The Rings type of movies is the background. One is technological and the other is not. Considering that this background is in another galaxy in another time frame it doesn't imply any future technology, but a mere definition of its alien background and status quo.

There is no science behind star wars light sabers, ships, force (except the midiclorian mistake) or anything else in the universe. It is the analogy to magic swords, horses, unicorns, olifants and whaterer mechanical doomsday devices you might want to add.

Just because it has blinking lights doesn't make it sci fi.

Cheers,

Adolfo

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222111)

What is up with all you entitled geeks groaning and moaning about what George Lucas is doing to HIS OWN IP? If he wants to re-edit the DVDs so that Chewbacca is pink and 3 feet tall he can do that. Geez. Get it through your skulls already - all you did was watch a flipping movie.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (1)

ffejie (779512) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222220)

I agree. If you hadn't seen the original, these minor edits would not even make you think twice. All the edits do is take advantage of some new technology, they don't change anything. That being said, the new Episodes are pretty bad. To be fair, they're on par with other crappy movies out today.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (5, Funny)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222127)

I posted this the last time this subject came up, but it's so funny that it deserves repeating. JK Rowling's hilarious offhand comment [jkrowling.com] about George Lucas:

Q: Will there be a book about Harry's Mum and Dad, about how they became friends and how they died?

A: So it would be "Harry Potter: Episode One". [Laughter]. No, but a lot of people have asked that. It is all George Lucas's fault. You won't need a prequel; by the time I am finished, you will know enough. I think it would be shamelessly exploitative to do that. I am sure that Mr Lucas is doing it only for artistic reasons, but in my case I think that by the time you have had the seven books you will know everything you need to know for the story.

"Artist reasons" -- She is hilarious.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (4, Insightful)

dukerobillard (582741) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222136)

He won't be satisfied until Star Wars is the campiest sci-fi series ever put on film.

Jeez, he should have been happy in 1978, then.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (2, Insightful)

Flentil (765056) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222139)

I think the problem with Star Wars today is more with the grown up 'lucas raped my childhood' ex-fans constantly bashing it. Once they die off Star Wars will retain it's place in history as one of the great classics of sci-fi fantasy films, prequals and (hopefully) sequals included. ...and no, I'm not trolling though I'm sure I'll be modded a troll for suggesting that the prequals might not be so bad.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (1)

esukafurone (751424) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222171)

Speak for yourself; I found the latest two very enjoyable to watch. It's probably geared towards a younger crowd... I never found the first 3 so special though they're decent compared to *most* old flicks...

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (2, Insightful)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222261)

It's very understandable that younger people are easily entertained. Just look at how much money can be made by cutting funding to screen writers and diverting the money to the CG department. I call it the "Shiney Nickel Effect". Special effects back when the first 3 were produced were not anything near what's available today. As a result, directors and producers had to rely more on practical action sequences, good dialogue, and a captivating story line. Modern film making techniques put CG special effects as a higher priority than the other 3 aspects. Personally, I'll take Blade Runner over any Sci-fi film made since then.

Re:A big stick and a dead horse (2, Interesting)

shokk (187512) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222226)

You must have missed that Return of the Jedi movie, then. At 13 years old, I could not believe what I was seeing on the screen. After Empire I expected magic out of that third movie. Biggest Letdown Ever.

Heh (5, Funny)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221928)

Has anyone else wondered if there's a competition between Star Wars and Star Trek as to who can drive their respective franchises into the ground farther and faster?

Re:Heh (1)

Daneurysm (732825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221960)

...and you don't think Star Trek--despite Star Wars many efforts as of late--hasn't beaten Starwars handily already?

I mean...I remember thinking ST:TNG was a stretch.

Oh, That poor puddle of goo that used to be a horse...

Re:Heh (5, Funny)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222033)

Has anyone else wondered if there's a competition between Star Wars and Star Trek as to who can drive their respective franchises into the ground farther and faster?

I think a Star Wars TV series is a great step forward. Rick Berman has been well ahead of Lucas for years now, due to the sheer volume of crap that can be produced with a weekly TV show. As hard as Lucas has worked, particularly with the new reworked special edition versions for DVD, Berman has, what, 5 seasons of Voyager behind him (okay, disregarding time travel, holodeck, and other "it never really happened episodes, maybe only 1 or 2 seasons)? You just can't compete with that sort of thing. While continuing to make some of the worst Star Trek feature films ever, Berman has been pumping out Enterprise.

But that's all going to change. Lucas has wised up. His glory years (Caravan of Courage, and Battle for Endor anyone?) are behind him, but he's still capable of of making everything cutesy and pointless for no good reason. Given an opportunity to get crap on air on a weekly basis can really bury the franchise - you only need to look at Droids, or the Star Wars Christmas Special to see what truly amazing things Lucas can do with the TV medium. That level of spectacularly awful work could undercut Berman's years of effort in under a season.

Star Wars' prospects are definitely looking up (or down, as the case may be).

Jedidiah.

"The Jar Jar Years" (1)

Cumstien (637803) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222040)

I heard the TV show was to exclusively feature Jar Jar Binks and his wacky best friend a talking pie.

That ought to jump the shark.

I think Lucas wins by default.... (1)

Chmcginn (201645) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222088)

Because future lovers of campy sci-fi will agree than Roddenberry would have come out of retirement to beat Rick Berman into a pile of goo. Therefore, everything after DS9 (which got bad enough as it is... but still, Episode one went past all that) doesn't really count.

Re:Heh (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222116)

Has anyone else wondered if there's a competition between Star Wars and Star Trek as to who can drive their respective franchises into the ground farther and faster?

That's "to boldly drive their respective franchises into ground that no other franchise has ever been driven."

It needed a nice Roddenberry misplaced modifier. ;)

Re:Heh (3, Insightful)

Masque (20587) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222180)

It's still a competition for the silver medal, however, after the last two Matrix films set a world record in the 200 Minute Suck.

I know... (4, Insightful)

dfn5 (524972) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221934)

I don't know if I should be happy or scared

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Re:I know... (4, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222009)

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Avoiding conflict (0)

slumpy (304072) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221943)

When the show comes on, I'll change the channel FIRST!

Scared or happy? (2, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221947)

Scared. Definitely scared - maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think that this will be just more commercialization.

Re:Scared or happy? (1)

Daneurysm (732825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221984)

Scared. Definitely scared - maybe I'm a pessimist, but I think that this will be just more commercialization.

No kiddin, I mean, I remember when Starwars used to be cool, before they sold out. They were just doin' it for the wookies man, now they are only in it for the money...back in the day man, it wasn't man. It wasn't.

A Bink's Tale (5, Insightful)

Ch3schir3 (812115) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221952)

So we watch 4,5,6, and think its about Luke. We watch 1,2,3, and realize that its about Vader. We watch 7,8,9 and maybe we will finally realize it's just about an old man who doesn't know when to let someone else take over.

Re:A Bink's Tale (1)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221970)

we'll see it's really about Jar-Jar...

Re:A Bink's Tale (1)

Ch3schir3 (812115) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222030)

I think Jar Jar is actually Lucas trying to represent himself as a teenager. Anakin is himself as a preteen, and as an old man. Maybe at the last second he will realize he messed up and Episode 9 will be written by Zahn instead.

Re:A Bink's Tale (1)

DrWho520 (655973) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222181)

I consider Episodes 4-6 to be about the redemption of the Scoundrel, Han Solo. Seriously, who wants to watch a movie about a whiny, little bitch like Luke Skywalker?

its about R2-D2 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222183)

R2 is the only character who is instrumental in every single event in the SW series, original trilogy and the prequels both.

Luke comes & goes, as does Annikin (sp?) & everybody else in the series.

Star Wars is, in effect, a story about a droid.

I always wanted to do this... ;) (5, Informative)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221954)

Server's going down. Here's the text:
Mark Hamill Talks Star Wars Epis. 7, 8, & 9 Source: Scott Chitwood Friday, September 10, 2004 This past Wednesday, ComingSoon.net had the opportunity to attend Lucasfilm and Fox Home Entertainment's roll-out of the "Star Wars Trilogy" DVD set (Coming Sept. 21st.) One of the surprise guests at the event was Luke Skywalker himself, Mark Hamill. He ended up being one of the highlights of the presentation as he enthusiastically recalled humorous anecdotes about the making of the original films, working with Kevin Smith, seeing TROOPS for the first time, and more. However, his comments towards the end about Episodes 7, 8, and 9 really got everyone's attention. Mark told those in attendance what Lucas told him the third trilogy would be about. Hamill also went into detail about Lucas' original plans for those films, when they would be made, and more. Plus, Lucasfilm's Jim Ward confirmed that a "Star Wars" TV series is on the way in the near future (though he didn't say when it would be set). We thought you might like to hear Mark Hamill's comments in his own voice. Simply download this 5 minute MP3 file and enjoy! It's only 2 MB in size:
MARK HAMILL TALKS STAR WARS EPISODES 7, 8, & 9 [nexcess.net] Check back soon for more on this presentation as well as a full review of the DVD set. Look for Q&A sessions with "Empire Strikes Back" director Irvin Kershner, DVD guru Van Ling, documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, and more!
Only 2MB, eh? Let's see if you can handle it...

Re:I always wanted to do this... ;) (0, Redundant)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222020)

I managed to download & re-encode the mp3 to under 1/4 its size. It's mirrored here [69.72.227] . Someone else help with the mirroring please.

Re:I always wanted to do this... ;) (1)

hamsterspeed (195436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222222)

yer mirror looks to be about one octet short of an IPv4

Re:I always wanted to do this... ;) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222066)

Anyone want to summarise the mp3? I can't be bothered to listen to it.

Re:I always wanted to do this... ;) (1)

hobo2k (626482) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222198)

It really isn't worth downloading, much less listening to.

A fan asks Hamil about movies 7, 8, 9. Hamil replies with some stories about filming the original movies. He mentions that George's original idea involved 4 trilogies (12 movies). He also mentions that somebody said to him "Hey they're doing 7,8,9!" But he doesn't say who that person was.

Re:I always wanted to do this... ;) (1)

ricotest (807136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222098)

The server handles it, although connection takes a bit of time and I'm getting 4.0 KB/sec on a 768 Kbps connection. I think slow speed for all users is much better than connection timeouts for 90% of them, so kudos to nexcess.net ;)

mp3 download redirects to google (1)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221955)

heh, getting nuked already, the mp3 download just brings up google here

Just wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10221962)

Can't people just wait until all 6 come out in a director's cut edition! omg

Re:Just wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222045)

I wonder how much taming and censoring there would be in THAT edition of the series.

Han Solo doesn't just NOT fire first, he offers a bouquet of flowers. All using current special effects that make the movie look even faker than the previous edition, once again.

You should be very afraid.. (1, Funny)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221971)

I don't know if I should be happy or scared...
Be afraid for you will see the dreaded star wars tv ads where JarJar goes "MESA WANNA STARWARS, THISA ON 8 OCLOCKA BE HERA!"

Got only one thing to say. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkhaaaaannnnnnn!

he (3, Interesting)

Spytap (143526) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221974)

Mark told those in attendance what Lucas told him the third trilogy would be about.
How Long ago did Lucas tell Mark Hamill about this, was this sometime back when they were originally filming?

Re:he (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222218)

Listen to the f'in clip, and you will hear Mark Hamill say it was back when they were originally filming.

Ob. Spaceballs Reference (5, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221976)

Star Wars Ep 7: The Search for More Money

Think Mel Brooks would actually mind that?

Re:Ob. Spaceballs Reference (1)

Raster Burn (213891) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222082)

Spaceballs was eerily prophetic, eh? All hail Yogurt the wise!

Re:Ob. Spaceballs Reference (4, Informative)

Murdock037 (469526) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222162)

Slighty off-topic, but funny nonetheless:

A friend once told me, after watching Mel Brooks' commentary on the Spaceballs DVD, that Brooks said he'd wanted to do a sequel.

The title he wanted to use, though, wasn't Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money, as Yogurt had prophesized. He wanted the title to be Spaceballs 3: The Search for Spaceballs 2.

Star Wars: Voyager (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10221980)

A jedi and his crew are thrown across the galaxy into an area of space where the force is unknown with new enemies and challenges. Will they ever make it home?

L2TFA (1)

victor_the_cleaner (723411) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221983)

Not only do we get the standard /. effect they have a 2MB .mp3 that contains the content everybody wants to read/hear.

So I guess you can't say RTFA you'll have to say L2TFA.

A great disturbance in the Force. (5, Funny)

torpor (458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221987)

It was like a million geeks crying out in unison, then suddenly disappointed.

Mirror of mp3 (5, Informative)

vanadium4761 (203839) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221994)

here [vallery.net]

Charlie Rose interview (5, Informative)

captaineo (87164) | more than 9 years ago | (#10221997)

In George Lucas' interview with Charlie Rose two days ago, he very firmly stated "no more Star Wars movies," he wants to do other films. Take that for what it's worth...

Re:Charlie Rose interview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222010)

I shall [modestypanel.com] indeed.

Re:Charlie Rose interview (1)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222186)

Maybe its just George Lucas who isn't doing another star wars movie. Maybe he decided to let someone else do the work. And maybe, just maybe, pigs fly.

The sad thing is... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10221998)

...there are plenty of great storylines that could be used from any of the dozens of EU books. Yet, Lucas will still find a way to ruin the final portion of the saga...

Sound Clip Mirror (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222007)

Mirror of the sound clip in the story: Click me, It is your destiny [lemonparty.org]

old and busted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222012)

the IRS told me a rat's ass is not deductible, so...

SW v ST (0, Redundant)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222021)

And just how long before we get Star Wars verses Star Trek: The Search for more Profits?

Re:SW v ST (1)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222121)

1. Make more SW/ST.
2. ???
3. Profit!

But I think we all knew that one already, didn't we?

Re:SW v ST (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222249)

Moron.

Re:SW v ST (3, Funny)

spektr (466069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222140)

Star Wars verses Star Trek

OMG, Chewbacca reciting his favourite poetry to a horde of cute muppet tribbles, as they rally for a devastating strike against the evil Klingon empire (Episode VII). I think I'm calling in sick.

Money (3, Insightful)

Viceice (462967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222028)

Dispite all the rants, If Episodes 7, 8 and 9 were made, they'd all do well at the box office. So is there any reason why they won't do it?

Good creative shows have been pulled because of money and stereotypical, nonsensical tripe put in replacement all in the name of money.

So whats makes SW diffrent?

Re:Money (1)

stuktongue (140376) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222212)

I think the difference is that, despite what we think of the latest movies, (I believe) George Lucas really cares about the movies he's making. I think they are exactly what he wants, exactly how he envisions them (as opposed to, apparently, the original three). He is putting a tremendous amount of effort into these projects to realize his vision and probably is getting burned out in the process.

It's just too bad for us that his "imperfect" versions of the stories from the 1977-1983 timeframe are the ones we really like.

tv based on brian daley novels? (3, Interesting)

welloy (603138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222035)

This could be great. If Lucas et al took something like the brian daley [tripod.com] novels (Han Solo at Stars' End, (1979), Han Solo's Revenge (1979) and Han Solo and the Lost Legacy (1982)) --stories that involved the SW characters but not really the plot line of the movies-- and made a bunch of television episodes out of them that could be really interesting. That could give lots of very creative people a great way to flesh out the rest of the SW universe and provide some neat backstory, without worrying too much about stepping on the Canon of SW. How neat would it be to see Lando and Han back in the bad old days smuggling spice or gambling for each other's ship? Or following Biggs through the Academy? Or watching the Empire take over a planet or two?

The problem is of course, most all TV shows and movies produced are crap. And I dont think the SW TV show is any more or less likely to be crappy TV than any other sci-fi/fantasy show.

The Audio did real well. (2, Interesting)

DelawareBoy (757170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222094)

If you like Brian Daley, check out the NPR Audio Series [amazon.com] done by Brian. Especially the first one of Star Wars. If the TV series is 1/2 as good as these tapes, It will be worth watching.

Re:tv based on brian daley novels? (4, Funny)

dspeyer (531333) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222102)

Han Solo at Star's End?
Han: I'm here for the money, and I'm going to get the money.

First Speaker: [looks skepticla]
Han: On second thought, I really just want to be with Leah. Bye!
First Speaker [to novice]: HE'll be a happier man, but he'll never threaten The Plan again.
Novice: Is it always that easy?
First Speaker: Yes
Seems sort of silly, doesn't it?

Really, the power of the Force is nothing compared to the power of psychohistory.

Re:tv based on brian daley novels? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222109)

I have to second that. I'm embarassed to admit I ever read a Star Wars based novel, but the Han Solo trilogy was a lot of fun, obviously inspired Lucas, and would make a much better movie than the Timothy Zahn novels - or the prequels.

Re:tv based on brian daley novels? (2, Interesting)

connorbd (151811) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222233)

The Zahn novels (and to a lesser extent the Correllian trilogy of Roger McBride Allen) were very well-written books and worthy additions to the world of Star Wars. If you think Zahn sucked, you haven't read the work of uberhack Kevin Anderson.

Was Mark Muzzled? (3, Interesting)

victor_the_cleaner (723411) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222038)

What I find strange about this article is that supposedly Mark made these comments on Wednesday of this past week.

On Friday, Mark did two live radio interviews in my market to promote the upcoming DVD releases. In both interviews the host asked about the next trilogy. Although he did not give the same answer word-for-word, he basically said, "I don't know, most of the time the fans know more than I do"

Did Mark say too much on Wednesday and was told to keep his mouth shut?

Re:Was Mark Muzzled? (0, Flamebait)

Z4rd0Z (211373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222091)

Yeah, and it's all tied in with 9/11. I recommend you keep your mouth shut too.

Re:Was Mark Muzzled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222170)

If you listen to the MP3, the comments Mark made about the possibilities of episodes 7 8 and 9 were quoting Lucas from the 1970's when they were making the first Star Wars film. He made a point to joke that he would be in his 70's himself and be an old man by the time they actually got made.

I think you're reading too much into it. Mark was merely bringing up conversations from the past to make a funny point (that the Star Wars series of films has dragged out so damn long).

He also said that he wished his agent (and presumably Lucas) was as enthusiastic about making 7, 8 and 9 as he was - if they were to follow, he could possibly play the role of the aging Luke training and mentoring the next generation of Jedi.

So the reality is that there's probably very little real information about any more Star Wars films. They may or may not be made, but he doesn't know either way.

I was very glad that Mark seemed to see the lighter side of it all - I thought his conversation about Star Wars was very relaxed, lucid and very, very funny in parts - I couldn't help but grin. The sad part is that I now want to see him in Episode 7.. I think he's the most credible and viable asset (beside Harrison Ford) that the old Star Wars series has left. I just want to see Luke grown up and finally moved beyond the stage of whining about everything - Han Solo was a far cooler character and Luke deserves some payoff for the development that his character made over the course of episodes 4 to 6.

If Lucas has half a brain (5, Interesting)

multiplexo (27356) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222047)

and can contain his ego he'll option Timothy Zahn's series of Star Wars novels, hire someone else to direct, put his name on it as executive producer and then STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT! . The Timothy Zahn novels, along with Alan Dean Foster's Splinter in the Mind's Eye were the best Star Wars novels written. For those of you who haven't read them they are:

Heir to the Empire [amazon.com]

Dark Force Rising [amazon.com]

The Last Command [amazon.com]

There would be problems with the fact that the actors are older than their characters are portrayed in the Zahn books, but hey, George is a wizard with CGI, let's see him do something useful with it instead of creating more characters like Jar-Jar Binks or editing the cantina scene so that Greedo shoots first.

Re:If Lucas has half a brain (1)

BigKato (683307) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222090)

He could just push the timeline back to maybe 15 years ofter ROTJ. That wouldn't be too big a stretch, would it? I can't remember how long after ROTJ the books take place.

Re:If Lucas has half a brain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222123)

Splinter in the Mind's Eye was fucking stupid. Zahn novels weren't all so great. Jesus maybe Star Wars fans have too low standards - then again I read that crap.

Re:If Lucas has half a brain (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222144)

Parent post is 100% right; the Zahn novels are excellent. Remember that even though the Emperor died there is still a vast beauracracy and military operating in the imperial mode to run the galaxy. After RotJ there wasn't an instantaneous happy new Republic. For those of you who haven't read them, do so if you want good sci-fi.

Re:If Lucas has half a brain (-1, Troll)

Ed_Moyse (171820) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222193)

I'm foregoing mod-point to beg you, TO BEG YOU to read more sci-fi! I read some of those Zahn books ages ago (in a public library - I *definitely* didn't buy them) and they are fit only for burning. And then down-wind.

For the love of god, change you slashdot id to avoid future embarassment, log on to amazon and read something like, like ... fuck it ... ANYTHING is better than Zahn's star wars! ;-)

Re:If Lucas has half a brain (1)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222150)

Then maybe a little later take a similar approach with the Hand of Thrawn cycle? Those books are set somewhere around 20 years after ROTJ, putting the original actors around the right age.

Ah... (4, Funny)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222050)

I would like to coin a new phrase for Lucas's continued desecration of Star Wars: "Beating a dead tauntaun".

Re:Ah... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222243)

I would like to coin a new phrase for Lucas's continued desecration of Star Wars: "Beating a dead tauntaun".

It's more about slitting a sweating tauntaun open and make children eat its steaming bowels.

yours sincerely,
Darth Lucas. </ManicalLaughter>

Holy cow (3, Funny)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222056)

Holy cow, hopefully they'll make it a reality TV show... I can see it now...

Six strangers live inside the star wars universe (A huge studio in Hollywood) for six months, where they can become a bounty hunter, pod racer, force-user (only for the very gifted!) Smuggler (Please, no real 'spice' or other illegal substances on the set) among many other professions!

Each 'period' consists of a voting day, where each player votes "the most annoying" player off the studio.

The winner recieves royalty rights to the Star Wars franchise after George Lucas has died, but 50% of the profits MUST be used to beautify his burial ground.

Come on... (1)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222061)

Georgie needs a new pair of shoes!

JMS? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222063)

If this is the potentially huge TV series that JMS of Babylon 5 fame is involved in, this could be very interesting. He probably wouldn't even bother with it unless he had a great deal of control (or as much as possible in someone else's sci-fi universe), so I'm keeping my hopes up until he says he's not involved.

A better idea... (3, Funny)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222071)

I could do without a star wars TV show. I would be much more interested in a show starring "The Star Wars Kid [jedimaster.net] ".

The Lucas Problem (4, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222076)

The Lucas Problem is that he is considered such a God (or Jedi Master) of science fiction films that no one dares tell him when he's wrong about something. And everybody's wrong some of the time.

I'm certain that is the only reason Jar Jar Binks ever survived being edited out of Episode 1 is that no one would dare say to George, "Uh, George, you may not have realized it, but this character is nothing more than an offensive racial stereotype that will not go down well with anyone."

Re:The Lucas Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222225)

Minor correction: I don't think he's considered a sci-fi god. He's just got a shitload of money. And money talks loudest.

Re:The Lucas Problem (1)

debrain (29228) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222240)

I'm certain that is the only reason Jar Jar Binks ever survived being edited out of Episode 1 is that no one would dare say to George, "Uh, George, you may not have realized it, but this character is nothing more than an offensive racial stereotype that will not go down well with anyone."

I'm sure that in his godliness he is gives less importance to listening, caring, or tolerating such advice. I'm quite certain the man is literate, and if he reads anything besides the Star Wars fansite claptrap, he is surely aware that he is producing films with zero redeemable value and inconsequential longevity.

Or perhaps he as a different ultimate design in mind, for fans: short term milking and long term bilking. I suspect the man must resent the Star Wars universe, perhaps for the same reasons that Alec Guiness did: overshadowing and marginalizing the rest of his career.

TV Series (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222080)

I think a TV series *might* be good, as long as (like everyone else says) Lucas isn't involved too much. I mean, look [lucasarts.com] at how many [starwars.com] great [amazon.com] things [amazon.com] have happened to the series without Lucas around.

That said, I would love the series to be either a series of short stories (or short miniseries) focusing on the various time periods. 'Young Han Solo Plays it Safe' one week, another episode featuring Ulic Quel-Droma(sp?) the next, etc. etc.

There's *so much* material to go from, it would be hard to ruin a TV series (knock on wood).

Totally offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222112)

But is slashdot selling spamming services? There's this big ad that says "Web-Hosting with Email marketing", emphasis mine.

Mod me down.

I don't know about you all.. (1)

Rytr23 (704409) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222117)

But I am positively giddy thinking about the possible Jar Jar Binks story lines in a TV show!

ugh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222128)

Would somebody fucking transcribe the bitch, please?

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Its a re-run! (1)

mmmmmhotpants (800341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222131)

Star Wars TV was better when it was called "Homeboys in Outer Space" [timstvshowcase.com]

The cash cow has matured, time to milk it! (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222137)

Well its back, now the special effects can be done cheaply and the whole brand has been re-awoken (not that it was asleep) expect tons and tons of spin-off, more games more cartoons and definately tv shows - startrek/stargate style? we can only hope natalie portman has been signed up, if so, id hit it!

maybe it's porn (1)

aceh0 (646013) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222142)

porn is so in right now. since there are so few jedi left it could their adventures in repopulating the jedi population across the galaxy

TV Show... oh boy! (1)

mercuryresearch (680293) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222148)

I wonder if they're bring Bea Aurthur [stomptokyo.com] back for this one, too? On the bright side, given how low the bar was set for the Star Wars Christmas Special, we're pretty much assured that anything that's done for TV by George is going to be better. (OK, bright side in the brown dwarf star sense.)

Transcript (2, Informative)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222152)

I got the file, and aside from a mention that Lucas originally told him that there would be three trilogies, and asking him on the earlier set if he wanted to be in Ep9 (to be made around 2011), there's nothing new in there. It's a lot of talk about what went on behind the scenes in standard studio politics.

I rtfa but... (1)

blackholepcs (773728) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222153)

where exactly did it say that Lucas was "officially confirming" a Star Wars TV series?

Animated Zahn (3, Interesting)

qui-bay (265670) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222173)

Make an animated series

CGI the ships etc...

Hire as many old & current cast members to do the voices.

One hour long each episode. If they did the Zahn books like this they could have an entire series plotted out and it would be a huge hit.

Also, needs to be an HBO series. With Lucas' stand on not wanting to be influenced by studios, wouldn't it make sense to not want censors or suits influenceing the product? I'm sure HBO does much of the same, but I bet they would steer his old ass into a great product.

Episode 8 (1)

respyre (812609) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222232)

I can see it now.. :sigh:.. There goes my arm AGAIN

A series could kick out Hollywood stereotypes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10222245)

I would be grateful for a SW series, I love the skyline of its spaceships, planets and cities. It also allows some needed escape from blockbuster mantra's where you must work up to fighting scene, quickly introduce a romance and some happy ending.

Given more time these stories could be more complex and surprising: for example you cannot predict when some couple is meant to come together, they could have a fight and come together much later in the series. Even if Lucas would be in his creative prime the 6th movie cannot be surprising as we all know the ending and the structure of a Hollywood blockbuster. A series would break those restrictions and allows us to enjoy the scenery and storytelling without feeling this need to predict the next scene and comparing it to a childhood experience.

I also don't see the Star Trek doom, those writers are not involved and it's not as if sci-fi became dull in general, Babylon 5 was a story line attention grabber, while Farscape pushed camera angels and movements to new heights. Remember there are great SW stories and the renderfarm will be written off freeing it for SW TV use, effects will not get worse, a SF series without Jar Jar or Rygel with multiple plotlines splitting and converging over weeks with Star Wars scenery on a HDTV will be awesome.
--
Dennis SCP

Inside Scoop; Episodes 7 8 & 9 (5, Funny)

Teahouse (267087) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222252)

Episode 7 (The Voyage Home): Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) is now old and broke. After 2 decades of training new Jedi, he now sits around on Dagoba all day complaining about humidity. One day he is contacted by his geriatric friend Han Solo (now King of a planet called Indiana). He tells Luke that a new Sith named Darth Glukas has developed a time machine and has sent back a droid called THX1138 to kill young Anakin in a time-period called "EPISODE 1". Solo explains that if THX1138 isn't stopped, Anakin and his servant Jar Jar Binks will be killed, thus making Luke cease to exist. After a long and perilous journey (where they encounter humpback whales for some reason) Luke and Solo defeat THX1138, but learn on their return that that was Darth Glukas' plan from the beginning. Now Glukas can create an army made entirely of something he calls "director's cuts" and steal all the money in the universe. This will allow him to buy the entire republic and restore the empire. Luke and SOlo are bummed out as we begin;

EPISODE 8 (Lost in Space); Luke and Solo must defeat Darth Glukas' army of director's cuts, but they have no idea where they are or even WHAT they are, so they begin searching randomly throughout the worlds of the republic. They come across a planet and discover a family of beautiful humans who claim they are called the Robinsons, and their ship is the "Jupiter 2". Although the ship they have looks nothing like the one in the republic database, and the Robinsons are far too pretty and have the vacuous acting talent of bannana slugs, they do point out that they have seen the dark side. They point our geratric twosome in the direction of Darth Dr. Smith, who is Darth Glukas' apprentice. Smith doesn't look human at all, but he does look a helluva lot better than the crappy paint on Darth Maul (and he does have the cool black robe) so our duo fights with Darth Smith and strike him down for questioning. After Darth Smith stops whining about his injury "Oh the pain, the pain!" He tells them Darth Glukas and the directors cuts can be found on a planet called Skywalker Ranch and that Darth Glukas will surely defeat them and buy the entire republic unless our heroes can get more help. Off they go

EPISODE 9 (Finally over); Luke and Solo go to get help. They stop at the planet of Angles, where they find Princess Leah (in tight vinyl) and her band of female jedi (Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore, and Lucy Liu). Accompanying them is Leah's Obi Wan (jedi teacher), Obi Wan Morpheus and his assistant Neo. All 8 of them fly to planet Skywalker Ranch and confront Darth Glukas, but alas, Glukas has a suprise for them. He has THREE young apprentice siths working for him. Darth Elrond (Hugo Weaving), Darth Psycho (Crispien Glover), and Darth Bitch (Demi Moore). An epic battle ensues where almost everyone dies while fighting in slow motion with lots of wire fighting and physics-ignoring acrobatics. In the end, Luke and Glukas are the only ones left. Luke tells Glukas he has lost, but Glukas laughs and says "Lost? My boy you have much to learn about the dark side. I have been following your every move throughout this entire epic with hidden cameras. Your every action has been a part of a thing I call reality television, and I have already made my billions on this tripe. All is lost. I now have the money to buy the republic."

It all does seem lost, but then, Luke informs him; "It is you who has lost Glukas, I have known about your treachery all along, and informed the one force in the universe more powerful than you." From the wings enters Obi Wan Schlocky- Ending (Stephen Spielberg) "I thought you might try a "sad" ending Glukas, I have prepared for this moment with a series of horrible sequels of my own. We can't have people believing that any story can end without a happy ending! This is my mission, my destiny." With that, Obi Wan Schlocky-ending pulls out his glowing blue......checkbook and buys the entire Star Wars series, (copyright, and merchandising!) with the money he made from Indiana Jones 4,5,6,7,8,9, and 10 as well as Schindler's list 2,3,and 4 and ET 2-47 (the series) and Darth Glukas screams as he melts into his cloak screaming "What a world, what a world". Cheesy, happy, schloky music cues up, Luke and Obi Wan Schloky are surrounded by Ewoks, Wookies, and all the annoying puppets from the cantina and begin singing "Let it Be" by the Beatles (copyright Michael Jackson Ltd.) and we fade to black.

Star Trek... (1)

criordan (733016) | more than 9 years ago | (#10222264)

Remember a few years ago when ol' Georgie boy was talking about how he didn't want Star Wars to turn into something like Star Trek?

I'll just leave it at that...
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