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Mysterious Force Affects Pioneer 10 & 11 Probes

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the launched-into-deepest-space dept.

Space 829

JabbaTheFart writes "The Guardian is writing that something strange is tugging at America's oldest spacecraft. As the Pioneer 10 and 11 probes head towards distant stars, scientists have discovered that the craft - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to be in the grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they sweep out of the solar system. Some researchers say unseen 'dark matter' may permeate the universe and that this is affecting the Pioneers' passage. Others say flaws in our understanding of the laws of gravity best explain the crafts' wayward behaviour."

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It's the Klingons! (5, Funny)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234257)

The question is can we develop the technology to detect tractor beams all the way out there from here?

Re:It's the Klingons! (0, Offtopic)

Lesrahpem (687242) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234267)

William Shatner for President!

Re:It's the Klingons! (5, Funny)

Lt Cmdr Tuvok (810548) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234378)

The logic on which you draw your assumption seems to be flawed.

Contact with the Klingon empire was first made in 2151. Therefore, it is only logical to assume that they were nowhere near human space in 2004. It is most likely that the phenomenon in question was an anomaly caused by temporal vortex flux.

Re:It's the Klingons! (5, Funny)

Punto (100573) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234393)

Maybe they can reverse the polarity of the probes' guidance system.

That's no Moon... (5, Funny)

Pii (1955) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234429)


Different directions (5, Insightful)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234261)

What's interesting about this is the craft went in different directions out of the solar system, which rules out something like the mass of an unknown body in the outer solar system affecting their flight.

Re:Different directions (5, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234303)

It could be an example of gravitiontational rippling.

a very large gravity well may have a ripple that exists some distance from the center of the gravity well. The sun's gravity well is big enough for us to notice this while the sun and other planets we did not notice it. we MIGHT be able to notice something if we look at the data as these probes appriached and passed juipter.

for the love of god, (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234269)

exactly what was AFFECTED?

Re:for the love of god, (0, Redundant)

dkscully (42850) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234300)

I am glad some one mentioned it.

Re:for the love of god, (4, Informative)

The Old Me (641450) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234344)

'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing.
'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing.
'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing.
'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing.
'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing.
'Affect' and 'Effect' do not mean the same thing. ...

Re:for the love of god, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234310)

I can forgive the mods not knowing the difference between affect and effect, but can we please all donate a penny to buy the editors an English textbook?

please mod parent up (-1, Redundant)

grey1 (103890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234363)

parent isn't flamebait - this is a simple correction (affect instead of effect) of an inaccurate headline.

Ignoring stuff in posts I can put up with but not article titles.

I think even an online dictionary could help here, maybe the editors can find one on the InterWeb...

Is it now flamebait to (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234396)

point out how illiterate the "Editors" are. If they worked anywhere in the real media they would have been sacked by now.

Or... (5, Funny)

deadgoon42 (309575) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234272)

They could just be hitting up against that big crystal shell that all the stars are painted on.

Re:Or... (5, Interesting)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234350)

I remember reading a quite striking short story about a crystal shell surrounding every solar system and it can only be broken from inside. It works like a semi-permeable interface, preventing aliens coming /communicating inside. A civilization will only manage to get outside of the shell by breaking the "egg". I can't remember the writer of the story nor the name but I think I read it on either Asimov or Analog in the last couple of years. Can anyone recall this story and remind me of its writer please?

Re:Or... (1)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234417)

Sounds like the Spelljammer D&D campaign setting. :P

Re:Or... (1)

archivis (100368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234433)

I've read the story but I don't recall the author, sorry.

But it was pretty cool.

H2G2 or Truman show? (0)

valentyn (248783) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234475)

We're about to discover the Real World, and the only thing we don't know if it's run by mice or if it's a giant TV show we're in :)

Re:Or... (0)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234476)

But is that crystal shell on the back of a turtle?

explanation??? (-1, Troll)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234284)

I am can't wait to see the scientist explanations of this. One thing that is rare for them to admit is not knowing why something happens. We do have a very small and limited view of the universe and really don't know that much in the overall picture of things.

Re:explanation??? (2, Interesting)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234338)

One thing that is rare for them to admit is not knowing why something happens.
According to my physikcs teacher, this is quite often the case. Physics describe how things happen, the question why they happen is left to the philosophers.

Re:explanation??? (1)

levell (538346) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234339)

Hmm, I think you need to listen to scientists more. They (we?) can often come up with crazy theories but a good scientist will explain what their fairly sure about and what is just guess work. The huge number of different theories about dark energy at the moment shows we don't really have much idea.

Re:explanation??? (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234435)

I thought dark energy was pretty much agreed upon as being the cashmier effect, only amplified in the almost total empty space between the galaxies.

now common, get those ZPMs going, or if you are from canada...ZedPMs

Re:explanation??? (0, Troll)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234446)

they state things they are fairly sure about as being the way it is. many times it's from the limited understanding we have and they have trouble with that.

Re:explanation??? (5, Funny)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234374)

One thing that is rare for {scientists] to admit is not knowing why something happens.

Only if by "rare" you mean "all the time."

Re:explanation??? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234420)

Dont be such a dipshit. All scientist are aware we dont know that much of the overall picture. You learn that in highschool.

Unseen grammar permeates Slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234285)

... news at 11....

Matrix (5, Funny)

Sir Homer (549339) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234286)

When you think about it, we know so little about deep space. Perhaps the Matrix doesn't go out that far? Clipping problems?

Re:Matrix (5, Funny)

Anthem.uxp (646163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234423)

If they someday come back from the other side of space we can try and exploit an overflow.

Re:Matrix (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234437)

Hmm, if it's that simple, why don't NASA just send 'idnoclip' to the probes?

Heck, send 'idkfa' too so they're better prepared than with a measly disc of naked humans when they meet the aliens.

Re:Matrix (4, Funny)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234449)

Wouldn't the nearest Agent simply be able to manipulate the JPL computer consoles into giving out the right numbers?

"What you must realize is that there is no probe."

The force! (5, Informative)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234287)

It is also thought that dark matter is at the centre of galaxies [] Could explain a lot of things, e.g. the expansion/contraction of the universe. Judging by the amount of "tangible" matter in the universe, there is no way to halt the expansion, and it will go on forever. However, if there is dark matter, it could hold enough gravity to halt expansion and force the big crunch. Lots of info on this sort of stuff here []

blask holes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234355)

actually no, black hole(s) are at the center of every single galaxy.

Re:blask holes (1)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234382)

You're right. In theory. I stand corrected.

Laws of Physics (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234289)

It is neat to see things like this which challenge our understanding of relatively basic things like gravity. Part of me is still hopeful that we will find some holes in the relativity theory. More than a few scientists have pointed out other inconsistencies between observations and relativity. It would be nice not to be constrained by this whole 186,000 miles per second thing :)

Re:Laws of Physics (2, Insightful)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234458)

umm, there are holes in it.

ever hear of a singularity? yeah, that is a huge hole in GR, as is reconciling what QM tells up and what GR tells us....oh, and there is this pesky problem with those probes going on now.

Re:Laws of Physics (4, Interesting)

colmore (56499) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234481)

As a sci fi reader, I of course hope that light speed is a breakable barrier.

As someone who studied physics, I'm not too hopeful. The speed limit isn't the result of a few shaky theories, but rather a pretty deeply engrained part of our understanding. If it turns out not to be true, then most of the physics that has been done for the past 150 years is flat out wrong. It would be like discovering that DNA isn't where the genetic code is held, as disasterous, and at this point in our study, as unlikely.

Re:Laws of Physics (1)

CosmeticLobotamy (155360) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234486)

That'd be neat, but I'm more hopeful it will put an end to this quantum mechanics stuff that I don't understand. Things are only allowed to be one way at a time, dammit!

Dissapointment (3, Interesting)

Lesrahpem (687242) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234293)

It'd just be great if after all this time we actually find out something like it's not possible to leave the solar system without some sort of extreme propulsion system.

Re:Dissapointment (1)

Alejo (69447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234445)

are you deeply religious? ;)
else how can you say something like that!

I've got it! (3, Funny)

Have Blue (616) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234301)

They're so far away the Matrix is accumulating significant floating point error.

Bugs Bunny can tell you what the problem is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234304)


Einsteinian Physics (3, Funny)

charon69 (458608) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234307)

Obviously, this is merely the result of the space craft leaving the singularity of our solar system, thereby moving outside of Einsteinian laws of gravitation and physics. It can now enter hyperspace... or would be able to if the puppeteers would hurry up and arrange for a hyperdrive shunt to get dropped off.

Sorry, just finished "Ringworld".

Re:Einsteinian Physics (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234440)

Er, singularity? It doesn't actually work that way.

Pioneer can now go into hyperspace without fear of being eaten by HIDEOUS HYPER MUTANT MONSTERS!

At which point I realised that Known Space had truly jumped the shark...

*mumbles* (5, Funny)

KennethSundby (723521) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234308)

Ah yes, the good old "If you don't know, blame it on Dark Matter" strikes again.

Re:*mumbles* (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234418)

Are you kidding?

I can blame most of my woman problems on dark matter then.

Re:*mumbles* (0)

_14k4 (5085) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234473)

I hear dark matter is unusually large... That may be the problem.

A bit of editing would have helped (5, Informative)

rooijan (746599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234309)

Note to Hemos: The verb is spelled "affect". You know, with an "a". The noun is spelled "effect", but it's the verb needed in the title.

Sorry, don't mean to sound curmudgeonly and grumpy and so forth, but so few people get this right that I can't stand by and let it slide.

I'll put the cantankerous old grouch away now...

Hell, a bit of research would have helped too. (2, Interesting)

devphil (51341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234364)

This isn't news. The slowing-down effect has been seen before, on some other probe. I even remember /. having an article about it. I even remember posting some lame "it's the Brennan-monster's funky telescope" joke at the time.

But expecting /. editors to recall that would be like expecting them to get effect and affect correct.

Re:Hell, a bit of research would have helped too. (2, Informative)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234404)

But expecting /. editors to recall that would be like expecting them to get effect and affect correct.

Here's an affect/effect primer [] with which they can practice.

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (0, Offtopic)

QuickFox (311231) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234372)

What? You expect a Slashdot editor to understand the difference between a noun and a verb?

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (-1, Offtopic)

GregChant (305127) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234388)

Hi, I'm your friendly neighborhood grammar-nazi correcting jerk.

Effect is also a verb [] (scroll down towards the bottom). Where's your overly clichéd rules of thumb now?

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (5, Informative)

tiled_rainbows (686195) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234426)

Yes, effect is also a verb. But it's not the verb you're looking for.

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234457)

So, you're saying that a mysterious force created the probes? Because that's what the headline is saying.

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (2)

rooijan (746599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234468)

You're right, "effect" is also a verb. As in, "to effect a change in something." I'm well aware of this, thanks all the same. However, if you read what is being discussed, I corrected the use of "effect" as a verb where the correct form is "affect". "Effect" is the noun form of the action which "affect" denotes - something which can affect another thing has an effect on that other thing. Before you go correcting my (perfectly correct) grammar, perhaps you should check the context I wrote it in?

Furthermore, I don't see that being a grammar-nazi about the edited articles that appear on a commercial news site is a bad thing. I'm not correcting the language of the poster of the article, nor am I correcting the language of a comment poster, for either of whom English may not be their first language. I'm correcting the language of the guy who's job it is to make the article coherent and correct, which he did incorrectly. How exactly am I a grammar-nazi for pointing out a glaring language error on an English language news site?

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (4, Funny)

jesser (77961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234403)

My favorite affect/effect error was on a flyer at my college:

Try this exercise to explore your relationships and how they are effected by alcohol.

("Effect" as a verb means "to bring about or execute".)

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234470)

It's funny because it's true :D

Oh so true, at least in my case.

Re:A bit of editing would have helped (1)

Alejo (69447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234430)

yeah, was a bit shocked too to see that.
affect vs effect [] usage

Mysterious Force *Affects* Pioneer 10 & 11 Pro (-1, Redundant)

leinhos (143965) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234317)

Someone up there must have a problem with English Syntax...

Re:Mysterious Force *Affects* Pioneer 10 & 11 (1)

firefarter (307327) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234406)

Someone above here must have a problem with english syntax...

Re:Mysterious Force *Affects* Pioneer 10 & 11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234442)

On slashdot ? How is that possible ?

Radiation pressure (1, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234319)

No, this was explained more than a year ago. Radiation pressure from the spacecraft (I think from an RTG) is causing a very small asymetrical thrust.

Nothing new here

Re:Radiation pressure (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234463)

No, this was explained more than a year ago.

That explains it - all of the scientists have forgotten the answer in the last 12 months! It's lucky that someone as intelligent as yourself is around to correct their error. I suggest you start writing letters immediately.

Don't worry, I've already written to The Guardian to tell them how stupid they are on your behalf.

Of course, I did briefly entertain the possibility that you might be an arrogant dick, but I quickly realised how absurd that was!

Doh! (0, Redundant)

Evil Attraction (150413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234325)

What's the matter with people these days? It's a tractor beam, of course!
Even I know that, and I'm not even interested in science.

Only the dead have seen the end of war...

no worries.... (1, Funny)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234328)

It's just the cloaked death star. That explains the force.

How do they track them? (3, Interesting)

haggar (72771) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234330)

From TFA They had been tracking the probes using the giant dishes of Nasa's Deep Space Network.

This doesn't quite quench my thirst for information: does this mean the probes are still sending radio waves/signals, or just irradiating passively?

Re:How do they track them? (5, Informative)

applemasker (694059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234422)

The last signals were recieved from Pioneer 10 in early 2003, but telmetry stopped almost a year before. From the Feb. 25, 2003 press release that "pronounced" Pioneer 10 dead:

RELEASE: 03-082HQ PIONEER 10 SPACECRAFT SENDS LAST SIGNAL After more than 30 years, it appears the venerable Pioneer 10 spacecraft has sent its last signal to Earth. Pioneer's last, very weak signal was received on Jan. 22, 2003. NASA engineers report Pioneer 10's radioisotope power source has decayed, and it may not have enough power to send additional transmissions to Earth. NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) did not detect a signal during the last contact attempt Feb. 7, 2003. The previous three contacts, including the Jan. 22 signal, were very faint with no telemetry received. The last time a Pioneer 10 contact returned telemetry data was April 27, 2002. NASA has no additional contact attempts planned for Pioneer 10.

Wayward behavior? (4, Funny)

sofakingon (610999) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234334)

I don't know about you guys, but if "something strange" were tugging at my "probe" using "mysterious forces," It would probably be bigger news than the science page of /. !

I'm no scientist, but (3, Interesting)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234335)

im not scientist, and surely these articles are written for the layman, but all of the articles i've read say "something more than the sun's gravity is pulling at the probes"

wouldn't the planets, especially jupiter, and saturn, and ALL of the misc tiny asteroids in the various belts, exert a pull on the probes as well? some sort of combined solar system gravitational force since the probes are well beyond the last planet?

doesn't seem that complicated to me, but im definately coming at it from a relatively uneducated perspective then who's saying something's wrong in the first place.

Re:I'm no scientist, but (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234479)

Well they do, but they are most likely insignificant compared to the gravitational effect of the Sun.

It is probably the quarantine around the Earth (1)

thomasa (17495) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234346)

We are too combative as a species to co-exist with the rest of the universe.

Other Slashdot Story (from 3 years ago) (5, Informative)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234351)

Bit of an old story [] this.

Re:Other Slashdot Story (from 3 years ago) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234485)

Good Eye! Funny there are a lot more "Matrix" comments this time around, and a lot less scientific discussion...

Meanwhile, the pilot is heard to have said... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234352)

"Listen, I've been from one end of this solar system to the other, and I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's an all-powerful mysterious force making my trajectory drift. I control my own flight vector."

Same old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234354)

How is this news ?
It is at least 2 years old. Come on, when a new explanation will arise, then there will be news.
But I believed it used to be an unexplained acceleration, not decceleration which was detected...

Hate to do it, but ... (-1, Redundant)

macklin01 (760841) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234358)

"Mysterious Force Effects Pioneer 10 & 11 Probes"

is wrong. One can "effect" a change, but in this case, the appropriate verb here is "affect" (to influence), rather than "effect" (to cause to come into being; bring about often by surmounting obstacles; accomplish). -- Paul

Re:Hate to do it, but ... (-1, Offtopic)

macklin01 (760841) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234469)

I'm sorry for the redundancy, folks. The prior post hadn't been modded up to make it through my filter when I started composing my post, and I wanted to be careful to do fact checking and proofreading before clicking on the final "submit", just as any other good /.er would do. -- Paul

Affects! Affects! Affects! Affects! (-1, Redundant)

The Grassy Knoll (112931) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234362)

NOT "Effects"



Holodeck Wall (0, Offtopic)

PerlDudeXL (456021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234370)

if you throw items of holodeck equipment within the the holodeck it will hit the holodeck wall.

Something Wonderful! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234371)

Something is happening, ... Something Wonderful!

Conspiracy Theory (5, Funny)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234377)

The Bush Administration is altering the laws of gravity in order to distract us from the situation in Iraq. A bill in Congress right now will nullify the law of gravity as we know it, taking away the rights of individuals to remain firmly planted on the Earth.

sorry 'bout that (4, Funny)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234390)

what can I say... the damn things snagged my sweater during take-off, and I didn't want to say anything...

Does not necessarily require new physics (3, Interesting)

jqpublic (200129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234392)

According to this paper [] , it could be drag from dust in the outer solar system.

here's a stupid explaination (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234398)

consider our solarsystem. the space probs originates
from this solarsystem. they have been constructed
in this solarsystem, but not just the machine itself,
also the individual atoms that make up ther space
prob. it is part of this solarsystem. even though
we beleive that a atom in alpha-centauri or where
ever is exactly the same like a atom in our
solarsystem, it might not be so ...? its stupid
to argue like this, but maybe the atoms "belong"
to our solarsystem and to make them leave, we have
to add more energy then just have it fly fast
enough to leave the gravity well, we have to add
so much energy that they stop becoming unique
to our solarsystem ... stupid i know. but think
of every atom created in our solar system
quadrant as part of one big magnet (exclude
magnetism here). they don't want to leave ...
you can maybe think of it as a potential. heavier
then hydrogen atoms are created in/around the sun
and supernovas. so maybe by sending a space
probe or atoms for that matter beyond it's
creation space we would increase the universes
entropy ... sumething.
it's 3Dspace plus 1 time, maybe beyond our suns
gravity well (i know gravity reaches infinitly
far), it would reach a different
"gravitytime-zone", but since the atoms
"time-space signature" is embeded with the one
from our sun, i might get repelled by the one
"outside" our solarsystem ...

Some electromagnetic effect? (3, Interesting)

The Famous Druid (89404) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234399)

Um, I'm way out of my area of expertice here, so forgive me if this is utter drivel.

The probes are basically big lumps of metal moving at high speed through space.

How much do we know about the magnetic fields in deep space?

Could this be some fairly boring electromagnetic effect?

Dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234400)

I want to mod this story "-1, dupe" but can't. Help!

Hmmm... What attracts Probes? (4, Funny)

mod_parent_down (692943) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234402)


Biblically proven (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234416)

When the only scientific "theory" that is not in doubt, i.e., the Bible, says that G-d set the stars "in the firmament", of course Believers have no problem with dark matter -- we've been waiting for those who refuse to read to discover the nature of "the firmament" for decades.

not looking forward... (2, Funny)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234421) the inevitable discovery of a monolith and a solar baby.

Typo. (0, Redundant)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234451)

Mysterious force AFFECTS Pioneer 10 & 11 Probes.

Re:Typo. (1)

hawkeyeMI (412577) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234460)


I was hoping someone would have caught this already.


Title should be "Affected", not "Effected" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10234455)

I know it's a picky point but that sort of thing has always irritated me. Among the others are the improper use of:
  1. To, Too, Two
  2. Were, Where, and We're
  3. Buy, By, and Bye
  4. There, Their, and They're

Oh ho ho! (1)

Noose For A Neck (610324) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234459)

Looks like somebody's just discovered the terrible secret of space!

Pushing gravity (5, Interesting)

RedLaggedTeut (216304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234462)

If there was Pushing gravity [] (also discussed before on /. [] ), or just a similar effect, all our calculations and measurements of gravity would be off a little.

I have no idea whether the effect would be so big though.

Some (Majorana?) even thought some kinds of matter were radiating "pushing gravity", but I'm really leaning dangerously far out of the window by guessing that this is the way that a black hole a the center of the galaxy causes the anomaly in galactic rotation curve that is observed (that anomaly suggests more (gravitational) pull, too.)

Please note that the arguments derived from thinking about Pushing gravity might apply even if gravity is not considered pushing by the physics used.

Maybe it's not gravity, maybe the sun just sucks! (1)

The_REAL_DZA (731082) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234467)

Sorry, couldn't help that take on the old joke...

Luke...... (0)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234471)

Use the force Luke...

Funny coincident (5, Funny)

Dexter77 (442723) | more than 9 years ago | (#10234490)

After reading the article I had a flashback about old computer games, where "mysterious force" would tug you back when you reached the end of the area.

How funny it would be if our world ended after Pluto and the stars would only be 'a painted backcloth'. I wonder what kinda effect it would have on our society. Scientist would propably spend years trying to explaing the phenomena, until one day a human could travel to the edge and verify the obvious.

Or maybe the aliens that run our world on their supercomputer have not yet coded the rest of the universe. Let's wait for few more years and see if 'the mysterious force' has been removed :)
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