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Mozilla M3 Release Available Now

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the maybe-this-one-won't-crash dept.

Netscape 205

Makali writes "Just took a quick peek at the Sunsite FTP mirror of and is up and contains tarballs for several platforms. Fetch! " Downloading my copy now, now considering how badly screwed up my machine is right now, the odds of it actually running is about 1 in 12 *grin*.

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Wheeeee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969111)

This post made with Mozilla 5.0 Seamonkey Release. I got the rpms. Don't know about the tarball.

I like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969112)

It does seem to be operating a lot faster.
Can't wait to see what the finished project will
look like.

Crakor - I would login but it keeps giving me
login failed

Wheeeee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969113)

DON'T SHOOT! This post made with Win32 Mozilla

Unbelievable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969114)

We appear to have /.'ed Sunsite Northern Europe...

Doctor?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969115)

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought RMS only had
a Masters in physics. Or is the 'Dr.' appelation


Slashdotted SUNsite NE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969116)

It's working fine for me (London, UK) -- but I'm guessing the load is pretty high 'cause it's only coming down at 14Kb/s, which is about a third of the usual speed.

Mozilla 5.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969117)

I have to agree that it is slow at first, but speeds up. I tried the browser on all my pages that I've designed - and it renders MOST of them effectively. The others it dosen't like.. most of which are tables or frames based.

Still no java support of course, and NTLM authentication is missing still. But all in all, the core seems to be nice.

As for the comment on the bloatware browser:

IE5 core install is around 12 megs. You now have the choice of what to install.

Amazingly Fast!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969118)

It is very fast, just 3MB, very cool!!

Which file? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969119)

There appear to be two Win32 files:


Anyone know the difference? I unzipped the "fullcircle" version, and it's exceptionally slow. Should I copy all DLLs to /windows/system/?

Somebody post a review! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969120)

I'd be interested to know its memory requirements. Does it eat 11MB of RAM just to display a simple page, like NN?

Wow... step in right dir (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969121)

It's no IE 5 yet, but holy cow ... only 3mb!!
Right now, I am using it to type this response.

Unfortunately (like any alpha and Microsoft product),
it has its share of bugs. Most notable is what's
happening to me now... i am typing this in a
textbox, but it will not wordwrap like in other
versions (that explains why this post takes up only
half of a column -- had to do manual carriage returns).
Also, it's a little jerky when scrolling.

But wow -- all this in 3mb, and it doesn't look
half-bad -- i agree though --- REPLACE THE 'N'


why is linux tarball bigger then win32? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969122)

so which one has more bloat?

Slow, etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969123)

When I tried this last night the gzipped file for linux was corrupt. From the date on the file in the ftp site it doesn't look like it has changed. Anyone else have
any better luck?

No, didn't say the above, I'm just trying to stay above minimum threshold, because EVERYTHING I SAY IS BEING AXED. 'OPEN,' MY ASS, YOU GUYS ARE OVER THE EDGE INTO COMMIE LAND.

Doctor?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969124)

Hrm... Yup, there it is. I missed that.

I wasn't attacking it, I just had never heard him referred to as Dr. RMS before...

No, it's not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969125)

I still use 1.0

Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969126)

Perhaps it is becuase not everyone uses kde.
not to bash kde =-)

Is the Linux tarzip file still hosed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969127)

Apparently it works on Windoze, but is the gzip -d still reported unexpected end of file in the Linux version ???

Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969128)

Konquerer is nice, but unfortunately it :

1. is unable to authenticate
2. does not support https:
3. no support for js/java
4. probably is unaware of CSS

Pictures of what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969129)

What would you like to see pictures of? My editing
didn't do much - just move a few buttons around. But
I can't wait to build a Slashdot drop down list
right into the GUI....

Matts (using M3 - hence no cookie, hence no login).

Mozilla 5.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969130)

because of debug...

Speed troubles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969131)

because debug is on?

Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969132)

While I agree that Opera is a nice browser, it still hasn't been ported to anything but Windows. Maybe the mass market doesn't care (then again, the mass market doesn't use Opera either, because it didn't come free with their computer), but the average /. reader doesn't have a whole lot of use for Windows-only products. By the time Opera is widely ported, Mozilla 5 should be out of beta and (due to the Bazaar effect) pulling away from everything else in functionality.

Proxy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969133)

Well, Winsock proxy ?

Install the winsock proxy client on you machine...

Then your system wont notice that your behind a proxy (that is, telnet ftp etc works whitout any configs..)


Horrific perforamce? WORSE THAN 4.51 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969134)

I downloaded and compilled m3 expecting to see much improved perforamance after reading all the hype. What I got was the exact oppositte
[d@zp d]$ ps waux |grep app
bleh 30907 32.5 21.3 23168 20396 p2 S 12:05 1:12 ./apprunner
[d@zp d]$ ps waux |grep netsc
bleh 29997 1.1 30.0 72672 28664 ? S 15:59 13:53 netscape
bleh 29998 0.0 1.7 14812 1692 ? S 15:59 0:00 (netscape)
[d@zp d]$

Mozilla takes 32% of the cpu just displaying hte page, no scrolling or nothing, 3've had 0 TIMES more than 4.51's 1.1%. The memory difference mostly liek derives from the fact that I've had 4.51 open for two days.

4.51 has 4 browswer windows open, 2 on /., 1 on freshmeat, and one on cnn. It also has the mail window open.

mozilla has 3 browswer windows open, 1 on /., 1 on freshmeat, and one on cnn.


The numbers don't lie...

failed to load libraries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969135)


I've just downloaded the M3-release, unpacked it and wanted to run ist (apprunner), but it says that it could find the following libraries (

Is this tarball just for libc5 or for glibc2?


failed to load libraries (sorry) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969136)


Sorry! The libraries are in the same director, but fisrt I couldn't find them ;-)


Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969137)

When I go to I get this error:
"Netscape is unable to find the file or directory named /.

Check the name and try again.


core dump test...;) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969138)

type '../package/apprunner'
after loading pge type 'acid box test' and click
'search' button. It core dumps immediately.
note that if you run apprunner without providing
url first it may/may not core dump.

try it yourself

P.S. the slowness due to debug code imho and release will be kick-ass! ;)

Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969139)

#1 - Opera is platform-limited.

#2 - Even if Opera is later ported: I will not
use it in fear of them "going back to their
roots." Been burned too many times by
Ms-Windoze-centric companies to fall for
*that* one again!

Doctor?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969140)

An honorary doctorate and $1.50 will get you a
cup of coffee at Starbucks.


Someone who got one the old-fashioned way

Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969141)

no ftp support either (last time I checked)

kde browser is cool it seems to do a better job of getting the colours right (not like netscape....) and the buttons for forms and everytihng look better......

Mozilla 5.. Win32 version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1969142)

Well it runs on a much more stable
Operating system when winNT is involved

viewer is fast, apprunner isn't (1)

MagPulse (316) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969199)

The browser needs work, everyone knows that..

ok, what am I doing wrong? (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969202)

Try compiling your own. If you're still having trouble, profile it and find out just where all the time's being spent -- it's probably in one place.

Anyhow, that most certainly shouldn't be happening.

Doctor?? (0)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969203)

Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:

I think they meant "Doctor" as in "Doctor Dre". Likewise, "Grandmaster Flash" does not necessarily have a masters in flashing.

Oh, and fuck off please.

Computers are useless. They can only give answers.

Proxy - Try sockscap/runsocks (1)

gavinhall (33) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969204)

Posted by xomox:

If you have a socks[45] firewall, try using either runsocks (for *nix) or sockscap (Wintendo). You can obtain it from

Milestones on the roadmap? (1)

pohl (872) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969208)

I tried to find docs on to read what milestone 3 is, and what it will take to reach milestone 4, but the information isn't on the development roadmap. Does anybody have a link to a current description?

It's an unfinished rewrite. (1)

Ami Ganguli (921) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969209)

They're redoing (almost?) everything from scratch. They stuff that's there is excellent, but it'll be a while yet before it's all there.

Communicator 4.51 (1)

smartin (942) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969210)

Now if they could just post a version of 4.51 for

That "N" logo (1)

Jerky McNaughty (1391) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969218)

That little "N" logo is mesmerizing. I've been watching it for a few minutes straight and I think I'm going to hurl!

Functionality hidden so far (1)

Matts (1628) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969219)

Most of the functionality is hidden at this point - or not even finished. However at least Mozilla passes the basic CSS and DOM and XML tests, unlike IE5...

Bah - IE5 can't even do XML right, and MS helped write the spec...

For those interested in the cool stuff in M3 - try editing the .xul files in res/samples - these define the entire GUI for the app. I did some playing around here and had the other web guys drooling...

Proxy (1)

Matts (1628) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969220)

I copied *.js and proxy.cfg from my old netscape settings to the public/bin dir. That was NT though - don't know about Linux.

Pictures of what (1)

Matts (1628) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969221)

(Back in Netscape now - Mozilla doesn't like resizing too much :))

It was really just the simple ability to build applications with full functionality with some simple lines of XML. Like a toolbar is defined using <toolbar>...</toolbar> and the buttons in there do all the bits like auto-raise when you hover the mouse over them - no more hacking Javascript to get that to work (of course you hack JS to get the rest of the app working).

I think this is going to turn a lot of IS/IT departments on - they can have their own version of netscape with their own buttons/menus and stuff like that, even completely remove the prefs menu, or just parts of it. Customisation that goes beyond the basics that IE5 provides.

/me wipes drool from chin...

Huh? (2)

Matts (1628) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969222)

Well something must be seriously wrong on my NT box then:
Viewer.exe takes 6928k mem + 4980 vmem
Apprunner.exe takes 8828k mem + 7092 vmem
netscape.exe takes about 12M + 15M

Better, but is it good enough??? I guess no matter what you do, building tree structures and displaying pages of gfx is always going to use up gobs of memory....

Mozilla 5.. Win32 version (1)

ChiefArcher (1753) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969224)

I didn't have problems with the Win32 Version.. I just copied all the .dll's to the \windows\system directory and all was well.. It was extremely fast in my opinion and resizeing windows was EXTREMELY better than 4.x


Which file? (1)

ChiefArcher (1753) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969225)

FullCircle is Netscape's bug reporting software.. if it crashes, it sends a bug report to netscape.

For me at least, I copied the dll's to the system dir and things went a lot faster..

Not sure though....

Seems somewhat effected (1)

ChrisRijk (1818) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969227)

Getting 100KBytes/s instead of 200KBs... (connecting to Sunsite NE normally max's our internet connection)

The link is probably being rather saturated.

Can anyone remember the international connection speed of SuperJanet? Last I remember it was 8Mbits, but I have this vague memory of it being upped to 30-40Mb, or something.

Corrupt gzip file (0)

ainsoph (2216) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969229)

hey test
testing this....

Doctor?? (1)

Prothonotar (3324) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969232)

Had you read the whole article you'd have seen that "in 1996 [he was awarded] an honorary doctorate from the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden."
Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.

NT 4 (1)

timw (3483) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969235)

Anyone have any luck with running it on NT 4? I get a window frame and that's all. No title in the title bar and no refreshing content (the window contains a snapshot of what was there before).

Fast enough... (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969236)

It is definately an improvement. There is some new irritating sluggishness which makes me feel like I'm working with a Java applet or something, but I can hope for all that to dissapear in the final release. I like the "Translate" button and some of the implied features.. some very very neat (old and unoriginal, but neat) ideas. IE5 still beats it for redrawing speed on win32, just turn on full window dragging and start moving some corners to see how fast it can keep up. IE is so smooth that it is fun to watch lines wrap. So far Commmunicator 5, is a flickering sluggish pain, but it keeps everything infront of your eyes and readable. Which is more than I can say for Communicator 4. I hope the final is faster, but it meets my minimum requirements: I won't be afraid of touching the border of my browser and waiting five seconds for a redraw. Wow, do I hate Netscape 4. Some of the new, not so visible features are very exciting. It is a good sign, I hope they get this one right.

netscape 1.0 nostalgia (1)

Phaed42 (4356) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969237)

patent stuff, I figured. they moved away from that logo when "mosaic netscape" became just netscape.

Mozilla 5.. (1)

kevin lyda (4803) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969241)

just a thought, but could it be the debugging info that it spews plus the assertions thoughout the code that slow it down? maybe?

ok, what am I doing wrong? (1)

theLime (4908) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969242)

how are you folks reporting it's "fast"? I've just installed the rpm, and it took about 2 minutes to render a local page! slashdot loaded for about 10 before stopping altogether, and I'm on a T1 here... And thats not mentioning the graphical glitches all over the screen, especially after resizing the window. I'm running on a p200, and netscape 4.51 works just as fast as it's windows counterpart, but the only speed improvement I can see with mozilla is in loading time. I hope I'm doing something terribly wrong?

Where is this thing actually at? (1)

Reeses (5069) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969243)

Someone want to explain why when I click the Ftp: link that I get sent to

Is Apple hosting a bunch of stuff for them?

Somebody post a review! (1)

cthonious (5222) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969244)

The win32 version is using 450k, while NN 4.5 is using 9MB to display the same thing.

You can make your own (1)

Leidolf (5519) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969245)

Replace it yourself, just overwrite the files in the res/throbber directory. When I first got gecko I replaced those files with my own.

- George

Mozilla 5.. (0)

myconid (5642) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969246)

The Win32 version of Mozilla 5 sucks IMHO. It lacks any additional features that Netscape Navigator 4.x has, and offers very little functionability. It loads slow, and takes forever to load up pages. Im sorry to say it, but at this point IE5 has it beat hands down in speed, and usefulness.

Flame on!
Email me [mailto] :P
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff

Corrupt gzip file (1)

doobman (6198) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969249)

ditto. i did try the win32 version to see what it was like though. I was impressed. I dont like the interface as it was not very nice looking but i'm sure thats more like temporary etc. it does render stuff pretty fast tho. overall i think mozilla just rocks.

just my 2 cents


netscape 1.0 nostalgia (1)

Firehawk (7687) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969253)

sure looks like it.

i'll bet they come up with a snazzy new one for release time though.

netscape 1.0 nostalgia (1)

Firehawk (7687) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969254)

sure looks like it.

i'll bet they come up with a snazzy new one for release time though.

hmm... does it make me an old-time web surfer to have actually used netscape 0.9 before? (not to mention various versions of Mosaic...)

What's the executable called? (1)

Plasmoid (8367) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969255)

What's the executable called?

Disappointed (1)

eponymous cohort (8637) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969257)

It crashed twice on me in 10 minutes (well hung, not crashed) One of the things it crashed on was the included sample #13!

The rendering also did not seem faster than 4.0 to me,

That "N" logo (1)

eponymous cohort (8637) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969258)

Isn't that the Same "N" logo that Navigator 1.0 used?

Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... (1)

eponymous cohort (8637) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969259)

It's cool, but not very compatible with newer web standards.

128-bit version (1)

eponymous cohort (8637) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969260)

How about a 128-bit strong version for libc6?

Go Go Mozilla (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969261)

M3/Win32, which ran perfectly well yesterday, crashes on start (apprunner.exe and viewer.exe). The 03-20 Win32 build seems pretty solid, though, and I can receive email with its version of Messenger. Still can't send, tho (it says it's sending, but apparently doesn't) -- time to muck around with the prefs file some more, maybe.


Mozilla 5.. (1)

dosboy (10098) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969262)

Even if M3 is foobar, give the 1.0 release a chance. All my experience with browser builds is that they get slow and flaky towards the end of the development cycle, and then suddenly get way better on (or after) the due date.

It's a fact of life. People hold off posting bug fixes until it looks like they are gonna miss the release. It's called schedule chicken.

Linux tarball fixed? (1)

Azul (12241) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969269)

Those libraries come with the nspr package. You need to download nspr and install it before building Mozilla. You can pass the parameter to the libraries location to configure.

See the building instructions at mozilla's site.

It's about standards (3)

HRbnjR (12398) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969271)

Gecko is the first good web browser the world has ever known.

HTML was designed from the ground up with several goals in mind, that seem to have been completely forgoten by most people over the years. The whole basis was to separate structure from style enabling a document to be viewed on any system. XML finall takes this concept to it's conclusion in a manageable fashion. HTML was about using structural tags such as H1 rather than hard coded font tags, because a heading will look much different on an 1600x1200 monitor than it will a cell phone.

So with the growth of the web you get a billion traditional media people designing web pages, that have no concept what the word _dynamic_ means, all writing pages that _must_ be viewed at 800x600, because they only know how to create pages for fixed paper mediums, and because they never bothered to actually learn what HTML was about. How many web designers even know what SGML is let along understand that HTML is an application of it? Admitedly, this only includes about 99.99% of the web designers out there. Traditionally the browser makers have been just as bad. It seems Netscape has finally got a clue. Netscape was the pioneer in adding proprietary style based tags to HTML, if they get Gecko right, which they are, I may actually forgive them, even though thanks in part to them, the whole web is a mess.

So now, x years later, everyone finally learns HTML and runs across all these problems in browser compatibility and site management, and they start looking for a solution, can you say "What's a style sheet?". They discover that style sheets were supposed to be part of the web since day one, and that in fact they are much cooler than all the proprietary hacks they have been clamoring for from the browser makers. The sad thing being, even those web designers that knew about the One True Way from the beginning have not been able to do anything about it due to lack of browser support.

Enter Gecko, the first web browser to actually give a web designers the ability to design a page the way it was meant to be. Gecko is not about small. Gecko is not about fast. Gecko is about HTML, CSS, XML, and DOM. Gecko is actually including a real parser (Expat) for the first time. We should have been able to use SGML features for years now, if browser makers had actually done it right and included SGML parsers. Gecko is including real DOM support, so now we can write JavaScript that may actually work in more than one place, and not only that, but that does a hell of a lot more for creating dynamic content. Gecko includes XML support, the most important document format since ASCII, finally giving the world a standard for creating documents with actual structure, and a way for bringing those to the masses. Gecko includes full CSS1 and a good chunk of CSS2, so my documents can actually look clean for a change, and be 1/5 the size at the same time.

People who make comments how all the web pages don't load any faster, and how IE has better bookmarks or something like that, these people have obviously never tried any serious HTML work, browser programming, or managing a _large_ site. Gecko is not for the users, they will look at it and ask what it gives them over version 4. Gecko is for the designers, who will bow down at it's feet screaming FINALLY, and will now be able to die (mostly) happy. And for that, Gecko is the best piece of software to hit the web, _ever_.

Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... (1)

mattc (12417) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969272)

While you're at it try the web browser built into kfm! While I don't use KDE, I love their web browser (Konquerer?)! Who needs netscape???

Logon failed (1)

Crakor (12469) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969274)

Actually I'm not sure what it was but my password it self worked like always I just couldn't login last time I tried. One thing was I was trying with mozilla might not have liked it somewhat

Logon failed (1)

redwraith (12532) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969275)

'Scuse me if you have tried this, but from the user page you can request that slashdot send you the password to the email you signed up with.


Functionality hidden so far (1)

raistlinne (13725) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969277)

Would you have any screenshots? That would be cool.

Pictures of what (1)

raistlinne (13725) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969278)

Whatever it was that had the other web guys drooling, of course. :-)

netscape 1.0 nostalgia (1)

Jon_S (15368) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969279)

I've still got a floppy with NS 0.7 on it (for windows 3.x). That was one with the rotating mobile-type thing for an animation. That was the best animation that NS ever had. Don't kow why they ditched that for the pulsing N.

Somebody post a review! (1)

Fizgig (16368) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969282)

According to top, it takes Netscape 4.5 26.6% of my Mem to display this page I'm typing on (out of 128MB; wow, that's inefficient). It said Seamonkey was taking 10.5% to do the same thing. And that's with a statically-linked binary. I'm also running GNOME, so it would help if I had compiled it. Oh well. A 2-fold improvement is enough for now.

NT 4 (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969283)

I gave it a try in passing. NT4 SP3 here at work. It renders /. well, but locked up when I tried to login.

core file... (1)

dedalus (16766) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969284)

Interesting, there seems to be a readable 360K core file in the root directory of

Mozilla 5.. (1)

Serk (17156) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969285)

This is PRE-Alpha. I don't think it's quite fair to be comparing it to released programs at this point. Also, it's not about feature count. One of the highlights of this browser (From what I've heard, at least) is that it is NOT going to be an 80 MB bloatware web browser..... If you like having browsers that are bigger than entire OS's, enjoy. As for me, I'm eagerly awaiting Netscape 5.0.....

What's the executable called? (1)

Serk (17156) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969286)

On the win32 version, it's apprunner.exe. I'd presume on the other versions it'd be some variation of Apprunner, but that would be rather presumptious of me. =)

Logon failed (1)

CodeShark (17400) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969287)

The passwords are VERY case sensitive. Once you log on, you can go to your own account/preferences page and change it to something easier to type.

Mozilla lacks functionality (?) (1)

CodeShark (17400) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969288)

Read my lips. at this point MOZILLA is not intended to even be Netscape Navigator 1.X, let alone 5.X

This pre-release is for the rendering engine, [code named Gecko], not the bells and whistles version many of us are working toward or hoping for. So of course IE5 (and even NN 4.51) are presently 'better' in terms of functionality.

However, I would suggest that before you say that it sucks, try running IE 5 for Linux. Or IE 5 for any SA-110 platform. Or IE-5 for -- get the point?

Mozilla is about the Internet programming community developing a top-notch browser, etc. for B>any platform. Including Win32s.

Speed troubles (1)

Asim (20552) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969294)

Havn't seen any problems...I ran a Feb. binary on my Win95 box here at work (HP Vectra, PII233, 32 megs), and it was _slightly_ faster than the final IE 5 that I downloaded.
Picked up the new one today, so I havn't done any speed tests, formal or informal, yet. I have noticed that the interface seems to be more busy, but it's also highly configurable, so I'm not sweating that too much!
For those having speed troubles -- are you running Win98? Just an innocent guess...(pulls on abestos undies)
For the crashing guy -- it's warned that this is, indeed, not even a beta release. No promises. Heck, you should read the warnings that come with the nightly builds if you want a scare....
For those who prefer and support IE5 -- variety is wonderful. That's what all the Mozilla and Linux stuff is, for some people, really about, the freedom of choice. I personally use IE just to render the MS site, and when Netscape is showing it's buggy side -- maybe twice a week.
I personally think it's going to rock, but I'm also aware of how much is aganist it. It's not the moon, just a piece of software.

Linux tarball fixed? (1)

Asim (20552) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969295)

The fixed version is apperantly on the ftp site. I recommed ftp'ing directly to the site, as the links from the notes/ page don't seem to work. Try lla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-Se aMonkey_M3_BRANCH.tar.gz [] to get the Linux version. Of course, it's a little tough to get to, right now...

Corrupt gzip file (1)

cy (22200) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969296)

When I tried this last night the gzipped file for linux was corrupt. From the date on the file in the ftp site it doesn't look like it has changed. Anyone else have any better luck?

Opera (1)

Mr. White (22990) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969297)

Looks nice and crisp but I think I'll stick with Opera. It's fast, quick to install and very compact. Have a look:

Looks Nice (1)

dave_cross (23994) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969298)

Seems to work ok on NT 3.51. Can't find anywhere to configure the proxy tho' which means I can't get past our firewall.

This is going to be a very nice browser tho'.

Interface (1)

NewTux (24815) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969299)

Actually, I hope that one of the "tricks" Mozilla will borrow from IE 4.0/5.0 is the ability of the interface to disappear. Then you get "nothing but page". That's especially useful when utilizing a laptop or small monitor

Doctor?? (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969300)

Does this mean that we should refer to him as DrRMS? How about GNU/DrRMS? :)

Linux tarball fixed? (1)

JEP (28735) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969303)

So is the linux version fixed now? The MozillaZine announcement [] started a thread where they said it was foobared.


Mozilla (1)

Chad Pommiss (28770) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969304)

Can't wait until this thing is final and stable (not saying that this release won't be stable, but...). Still gonna download it and check it however.

Corrupt gzip file (1)

goff (29479) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969305)

mine was broken too

Linux tarball fixed? (1)

goff (29479) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969306)

compiling doesnt work for me, ./configure complains about

Could not find the following nspr libraries or could not run sample program: -lnspr21 -lplc21 -lplds21

using RedHat5.2 and gtk1.2

installing the tarball also doesnt work, cos i just dont know which arguments nsinstall espects ...

Impressive (1)

PaulJS (29481) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969307)

It's fast and hasn't crashed yet. There still needs a lot of work on it before it can be released officially but the amount of progress has been amazing.


Linux tarball fixed? (1)

PaulJS (29481) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969308)

Well I grabbed the source and compiled it myself becasue the builds were for an i686 (PPro, P2, etc) and I have an i586 (Pentium). The source tarball compiled for me but it's a massive download.


Doctor?? (1)

PaulJS (29481) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969309)

I have no idea wether he's a doctor or not. I'm only a member of the UKUUG I don't write their web pages and I'm not on their council. I just thought this event was a good one so I thought I'd mention it.
This'll be the first time I've met RMS or heard him in person. It'll be interesting even though there'll be a lot I don't quite agree with.


Linux tarball fixed? (1)

PaulJS (29481) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969310)

You have to download, compile and install the NSPR libraries first. I did this a while back so I can't remember if I had any problems when I did this but you can download NSPR from:
I got mine from the source directory so can't say if the RPMs work.


Disappointed (1)

PaulJS (29481) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969311)

Did you use the pre-compiled binaries or compile it yourself?
I compiled it myself and had no problems, if you used the binaries then perhaps try grabbing the source.
BTW read the README files before compiling. You need to get and install the NSPR libraries for it to compile.


Milestones on the roadmap? (1)

prandal (87280) | more than 15 years ago | (#1969312)

Try this []
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