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Mandrake 10.1 Community Released

CmdrTaco posted about 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-play-with dept.

Mandriva 209

MohammedSameer writes "Mandrakesoft released MandrakeLinux 10.1 Community, As usual it's only available first to the club members The new release features Kernel 2.6.8.1, Xorg-X11 6.7, KDE 3.2.3 with 3.3 as an install option,"

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I'm not in the mandrake club (-1, Offtopic)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#10267587)


...but I got F157 pr057 for GNAA!

Re:I'm not in the mandrake club (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267621)

People need to learn that Fristage Postage just results in Fristage Moddownage.

Re:I'm not in the mandrake club (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267863)

You are quite the rebel. Weren't you the one fucking sobbing in some asshole's journal because you were IP banned for a while OH MY WHAT A HERO!

Re:I'm not in the mandrake club (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267903)

Sad to see that you've joined the trolls, grub. Until today I've enjoyed your posts and your journals. You were an asset for this site, independent minded and insightful, but now you're just another asshole. This place may not be what it was, but I see no point in contributing to make it worse.

Does it matter? (5, Insightful)

poofyhairguy82 (635386) | about 10 years ago | (#10267619)

As usual it's only available first to the club members

Does this actually matter? How many Madrake Users get their ISO's from Mandrake anyway? Torrents will probably have 10.1 within the day.

Re:Does it matter? (5, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | about 10 years ago | (#10267658)

I guess the thing is, if you like Mandrake, then become a club member, not so much to get first dibs on the ISO's, but to support Mandrake itself.
Personally I don't use Mandrake (nothing against them), but there could be other benefits to being in the club.

Re:Does it matter? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 10 years ago | (#10268513)

I know a LOT of people that would like to become a member but can-not flit the bill for it because they REQUIRE a full year payment.

Students, out of work LUG members, etc.. cant come up with that $100US+ for the absolute basic membership.

People would love to join mandrake club at a monthly payment rate. but they just do not offer it. (Granted, membership will surge only on release date's but it's an influx of money that they would not get otherwise.)

Re:Does it matter? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268611)

Good products sell themselves without the need for special clubs and what not. I am using Mandrake but as soon as they start charging for new releases, I will switch to MS distro or something else.

I'd rather have the money stay in the US and fund US jobs than going down to drain (and by drain I mean France).

Club membership (5, Insightful)

Zorilla (791636) | about 10 years ago | (#10267620)

My experience has been that you really need to be an enthusiast of this distro to bother installing the Community version of it. For some reason, I ended up with the Comminity version of 10.0 when downloading it via BitTorrent, and boy did it need some work. KDE crashing every ten seconds, weird bugs like the SDL segfault when the wacom tablet module (evdev) was loaded, etc.

Point being, don't try this out as a stable release. Only try it if you have time to kill and really want to see what Mandrake has done with their release this far. Otherwise, wait for the Official ISOs when they become availible to the public.

Community vs. Official (5, Interesting)

Linzer (753270) | about 10 years ago | (#10267808)

I've been running the development version for a little time now, and AFAICS all show-stopper bugs have been properly squashed by now. It has been running quite smoothly for a few weeks now. However, as parent says: don't use it if you want something rock solid, wait for 10.1 Official. But if you want all the shiny brand new stuff, a streamlined install with an excellent hardware detection, and are not afraid of a few weird things happening now and then, then give it a try!

Re:Club membership (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267815)

I've been running Mandrake 10 Community on a IBM Thinkpad and a desktop for quite a while... they are both stable as can be.

Re:Club membership (1)

powerlinekid (442532) | about 10 years ago | (#10267830)

I've been using Mandrake since the 7 days. Traditionally X.0 is buggy and the .1 and .2 releases are much much nicer. I wouldn't worry about it so much, just don't use it on anything royally important (which you shouldn't be doing anyway if you haven't tested it).

Re:Club membership (2, Informative)

opkool (231966) | about 10 years ago | (#10268106)

I've tried MDK-10.0-Community and several of MDK-10.1's Beta and Release Candidate.

In my experience, even MDK-10.1-Beta-1 was more stable than MDK-10.0-Community .

Peace

Re:Club membership (1)

Senjutsu (614542) | about 10 years ago | (#10268266)

In my experience, even MDK-10.1-Beta-1 was more stable than MDK-10.0-Community .

That good to hear, although I don't see how it could possibly have been worse. 10.0-Community, in what has to be the most spectacularly weird autoconfig bug I've ever seen in all my time with Linux, somehow managed to confuse my PC Speaker with my sound card, and proceeded to attempt to pipe all sound through it. It was the single most gawdawful noise I've ever experienced in my life.

Re:Club membership (1)

Hyrcan (316160) | about 10 years ago | (#10268703)

I don't think making the blanket statement that everyone who tries Community should expect crashes or that it will take for ever, is a fair assesment.

I've used Community, and for that matter even cooker (the dev version) with very few problems, and most of the few problems I did have weren't with things crashing.

But everyones computer is a little different. So some people may experiance problems and others wont... os with any other distro...even "stable" ones.

Great! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267624)

Will take it to LG CD-ROM user convention tonight and distribute the disks for free!

Sad News Johnny Ramone dead at 55 (0, Offtopic)

CreamOfWheat (593775) | about 10 years ago | (#10267631)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio... Oh my God! Johnny Ramone AND Rick James dying so close apart sad sad

mirror available! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267643)

loadux.com is hosting a mirror of the ISOs.

Re:mirror available! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267876)

Downmod please, they charge $6 for the download.

Re:mirror available! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268122)

Downmod please, they charge $6 for the download.


Linux is free, right? If you got $6 and wanna support them, be my guest. But don't ask to censor people that offer a legitimate alternative.

The Club (1)

JSkills (69686) | about 10 years ago | (#10267665)

Anyone here in the Club? Is it worth it? I ran Mandrake but have been debating the value of it. Thanks ...

Re:The Club (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267827)

Been a silver member for better than two years, IMHO it is worth it.

Re:The Club (2, Interesting)

CmdrGravy (645153) | about 10 years ago | (#10267877)

I was in the Club as a basic member but forgot to renew my membership - I will though.

Yes it's worth it, largely just to support Mandrakesoft though, I have used them since 7.0 when it was the only distro which recognised all my hardware. You also get to vote for various things you want packaged and access to rpm mirrors.

Re:The Club (2, Interesting)

grunt107 (739510) | about 10 years ago | (#10267902)

I am a member and I like having the access to the Betas and early releases. I have a 'test' computer that I install various distros and see how they behave. My big server has MDK10 on it - no real reason. I also have the SuSe, Knoppix and MDKMove DoDs (Distro on Disk) that I pop in the laptop when I need to get 'Net.

Re:The Club (5, Interesting)

rusty0101 (565565) | about 10 years ago | (#10267924)

It kind of depends upon whether you think supporting Mandrake is a good idea, and whether you think that the OS is worth paying someone to continue working on their favorite distribution.

I have been a Club member in the past, and probably will be again. Asside from the default USB drivers not supporting the Via USB 2.0 chips, easily fixable by replacing the usb-uhci with huci-ohc (or something like that), I have had no significant problems with the 10.1rc1 package.

If you think that it is worth purchasing, to the point where you would pick up a copy at your local computer superstore whenever they get around to carrying it, joining the club gets your money to the developers at a much higher percentage of what you spend.

There are other advantages as well, which you can read on their web page if it really interests you. If not, then the above probably won't be of much interest either.

-Rusty

Re:The Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268252)

"whether you think that the OS is worth paying
someone to continue working on their favorite
distribution"...

Is it a good idea to pay someone to package free software in ways that makes it only work with a single distribution? While paying someone to develop new drivers, hardware autodetection, and program installers would make sense if they could be used by everyone, it seems to me that most of the work of building current distributions is going into packaging things specifically so they won't work in any other distribution. Why does anyone want that?

Re:The Club (1)

TheHonestTruth (759975) | about 10 years ago | (#10268651)

it seems to me that most of the work of building current distributions is going into packaging things specifically so they won't work in any other distribution. Why does anyone want that?

For the same reason people give Apple money for Macs/Os X: because it just works on your system.

Distro vendors are providing a service. They are saying "here are compiled/patched versions of the software you want that should just work if you are using our system. We provide ./configure && make && sudo make install so you don't have to!"

Want to use apt-get? We have a distro for you. Want to use someting like YAST? We have a (couple) distro(s) fo you. Want to roll-your-own? We have a distro for you.

People pay distro companies to provide that "distro for you."

-truth

Re:The Club (2, Interesting)

JSkills (69686) | about 10 years ago | (#10268521)

Thanks dude. I've been going back and forth on Linux distros for a while now. I've found Mandrake to have some real merits, so if it's what I settle on I probably will follow your advice and do the Right Thing.

I'm about to renew. (5, Informative)

biendamon (723952) | about 10 years ago | (#10267948)

I'd say club membership is worth it, if you happen to prefer Mandrake as your primary distro. I appreciate the dedicated mirrors for club members quite a bit. Makes patch times much faster.

I also like the repositories for software that are available to club members. I have yet to find a piece of software out there that someone didn't turn into a Mandrake RPM, and the club mirrors seem to have it all. Sure, you can find them other places, too, but all in all it's nice to have everything in one place.

Re:The Club (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268030)

Definitely install Mandrake if you have a Sony laptop. They've included sonypi to use enable the sony wheel.

Another benefit to being a member is you are getting updated packages saving yourself time to compile.

issues (1)

humuhumunukunukuapu' (678704) | about 10 years ago | (#10267687)

when i went from 10 - 10.1 i started having problems with my wireless card. about every other reboot it would not be recognized. at one point it was just totally gone so i did a reinstall. the problems started again. so i switched to suse 9.1, which is great. however i miss having the cooker urpmi stuff. apt will do.

Re:issues (1)

normal_guy (676813) | about 10 years ago | (#10268017)

How would you compare SuSE to Mandrake performance?

Gentoo (-1, Offtopic)

underpar (792569) | about 10 years ago | (#10267721)

How does it compare to gentoo [gentoo.org] ? The theme part is neat, but isn't gentoo better underneath?

Re:Gentoo (1)

kidgenius (704962) | about 10 years ago | (#10267753)

Well, last time I checked, they are both Linux underneath.

Re:Gentoo (4, Insightful)

avelldiroll (813074) | about 10 years ago | (#10267898)

Those two are pretty different : Mandrake is designed for the newcommer or someone who want to install a system in less than 30 minutes without being bothered by hardware problems (autodetection wizard). The obtained system is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed). Gentoo is tailored by the user himself which results in a longer installation (can be up to 2 days) process, and a minimum of automatisation (some kind of autodetection but you are encouraged to avoid it), all this in order to get the system you want (ie most of the time faster than any precompiled distros). To compare distros with cars Mandrake would be an easy to drive automatic and Gentoo would be a custom car ...

Re:Gentoo (1)

kundor (757951) | about 10 years ago | (#10268006)

up to 2 days?

If you have anything but the latest hardware Gentoo is likely to take a week to install. It took me two days on my fancy Athlon 64, and I know of people on old hardware (386's or something) taking weeks.

Re:Gentoo (1)

avelldiroll (813074) | about 10 years ago | (#10268403)

There is a magic word : dcc Stand for "Distant C compiler" if I remember well This dcc interface itself with the portage system allowing to compile on several computer at the same time. It is also available on certain mod of knoppix and on the gentoo livecd. This is the perfect solution for old hardware.

Re:Gentoo (1)

JollyRogerX (749524) | about 10 years ago | (#10268671)

Shouldn't you be doing something else right now, Nick? Like studying??

Re:Gentoo (2, Insightful)

slide-rule (153968) | about 10 years ago | (#10268549)

[Mandrake] is quite rigid and require to enjoy GUI config tools (cause some of them cannot be bypassed).

I'm curious what tools you're referring to. I'm far from any expert on any distro, but I've never had a problem dumping out to a console window, su'ing to root, and tweaking the odd config file by hand (mainly in that I still don't understand where some things are at in the mdk gui tools ; seems like I always have to hand-edit /etc/hosts for my 3-machine home LAN) ... and the systems I do this cover most of the common gamut a normal person would need to bother with.

I dont mind waitin... (1)

Jimmy The Tulip (770323) | about 10 years ago | (#10267729)

currently i am using mandrake 10, and I dont mind waiting for 10.1.Sure I wanna have kernel 2.6xxx. But I dont care about kde3.3.xx etc. I can feel good about new gnome/kde version by looking those fancy screenshots itself.

But dont have enough time to kill, to compile/install it. its same as wasting time downloading 10.1 through torrents.

Former MDK user... (3, Insightful)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10267734)

I started with MDK with 6.0 (*after my time with Red Hat 5.0*) and really loved it. After years of playing with it on the desktop and using it for an MP3 FTP server, I got tired of the RPM depenancy hell and I made the jump to Slackware. A few years of playing in Debian and now Gentoo, I feel I've learned a ton more than I did before, and with YUM and apt-rpm I think it may be time to install/try out this latest version on a sandbox for desktop testing.

I used to enjoy seeing what they 'smoothed out' over the prev release. The MDK Club turned me off as Deno started getting stinky about support for 'non-users' but I understand they're just trying to make a dollar (or euro in their case).

Regardless, nice to see a major Linux Distro still in the running.

CCBB

YUM or apt-rpm? (3, Informative)

kundor (757951) | about 10 years ago | (#10267965)

Just use urpmi. Once you've setup your servers at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ [zarb.org] it's a great solution, both the commandline version and the GUI tools.

Re:Former MDK user... (3, Insightful)

opkool (231966) | about 10 years ago | (#10268226)

RPM dependency hell?

You obviously never used urpmi. Probably, that old Mandrake had no urpmi.

Think of urpmi as apt-get. And you get GUI and text-based front-ends.

urpmi is native to Mandrake, and this is a big reason to use Mandrake.

See http://www.urpmi.org for more information.

Also, MDK lately comes all compiled with the prelink option, and with i586 optimization.

Peace!

No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (3, Interesting)

tod_miller (792541) | about 10 years ago | (#10267749)

I would like to see a partial distro, a yoper like base, less packages, more configuration.

Then a hole chunk (SuSE like) impors of packages. All required development for simple confmakemakeinstall's and perhaps simple walk throughs for these common actions. For newbies trying to get onto the bandwagon, this would be a diamond!

What was the thing you got stuck on at first? write it down, and think how you could solve it for another newbie.

Out of interest Moore's Law finally buried? [slashdot.org]

Ok enough shameless plug, it was for a good cause.

Re:No longer a fan of 'traditional' distros (1)

Dunkelzahn (106055) | about 10 years ago | (#10268015)

There is always Debian.

Install an absolutely basic Debian distro, skip dselect and tasksel, and apt-get what you want and need for your basic distro, then build up from there. If you want to invest a lot of time in configuration, but build a system completely tailored to your wants and needs there's Gentoo and LFS [linuxfromscratch.org] - depends on how much support you want to find, how much time you wish to invest, and how much package management infrastructure you want.

acpi support for laptops? (4, Interesting)

tongue (30814) | about 10 years ago | (#10267761)

Ok, I see that improved laptop support is one of the touted features here. My question is, how good is it?

I just switched back to windows (rather painlessly, thanks to the excellent QtParted [sourceforge.net] and, strangely enough, a windows ME boot disk [for an XP machine--needed to restore the MBR]). I can't tell you how greatly it pains me to do so--as far as i'm concerned, linux is ready for the desktop, and has been for some time. ACPI-based laptops though, are another story. I've been trying for weeks to get my battery life to come close to what's possible under windows, and while the Software suspend [sf.net] project seems to work for a lot of people, i could never get it to work on my laptop (or maybe just my kernel). I've tried various distributions, from suse to xandros to straight debian to knoppix and even the simpler ones such as DSL [damnsmalllinux.org] and none of them allow me to really use my laptop for more than about an hour (give or take a quarter) without plugging in, which is just unacceptable for my purposes.

So i finally gave up and dropped the linux partitions and reinstalled the boot sector (oh how that final 'fdisk /mbr' pained me!) but at least i can spend three and a half hours at a coffee shop without needing an outlet. cygwin takes the edge off, but its a bit like methadone if you asked me.

so anyway, for anyone who's tested and/or used the new version of MDK on a recent laptop, what's your experience with the ACPI support? Battery life? Suspend functionality? dare i ask--functional keys? (yes, i know that's not really related to acpi, but mandrake is generally pretty conscientious about things like that, i thought perhaps they might have integrated a solution.)

Re:acpi support for laptops? (2, Informative)

LnxAddct (679316) | about 10 years ago | (#10267922)

Fedora wasn't in your list. I've used it since FC1 on my laptop and its always worked great. If I were you though, its probably worth waiting a month for Core 3 to come out, alot of improved acpi stuff.
Regards,
Steve

Re:acpi support for laptops? (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | about 10 years ago | (#10267984)

sure, laptop support is lagging for linux. but it does work.

the only thing i haven't gotten yet to work on my laptop is the freaking via video driver. im using the vesa ok right now. no hopes of dri/drm at the moment.

wireless works good using ndiswrapper, software suspend is actually quite old, i think it's in the main tree, at least it was in the kernel sources for my distro. now, swsusp2 (the maintained rewrite of software suspend i think) isn't in my distro's kernel, but patching it in wasn't too hard. i've found the latter to be very very nice to have. you can configure the system to do all the things you'd expect to happen that you just can't do with swsusp. for instance, you want your wifi card to be brought up again when you resume in case you're at a different location. you want usb to be brought up again, because you might have plugged in different devices since you were up last, etc, etc.

i think HP is selling laptop's with SuSE pre installed, you'd think that it would all work nicely if they're doing that. ibm laptops had a good reputation for linux support, but it was always a little fruity from what i could tell.

oh yeah, battery life. it seems to last just fine under linux when the machine is used for most general tasks. you start building kernels and such and that's going to eat power right up. my laptop uses the athlon-M processor i believe which has good support in the kernel. you can scale the processor frequency when it's on battery so that it conserves power.

Re:acpi support for laptops? (1)

tongue (30814) | about 10 years ago | (#10268233)

thanks for the info... I haven't had any problems with the hardware for the most part, except as you noted, the 3d support for the video isn't really there (radeon) but i have read instructions on how to get it to work on xandros's forums, although i never tried it.

i haven't used a redhat distro in years--does fedora have a livecd-style version?

heavy processor use is obviously going to tax the kernel, but for average use i'd like to see at least 2.5 hours of battery life, preferably closer to the 3.5 i get out of windows. is that in line with what you're seeing? also, what kind of laptop are you using?

Progonosis not good (1)

Sits (117492) | about 10 years ago | (#10268392)

ACPI works well on my desktop (as does software suspend, only one problem so far) but there are reports of laptops suffering beacuse of a lack of nolapic support [mandrakelinux.com] . It's also worth noting that many machines come with poorly programmed BIOSes and need updates or extra code to have working ACPI. Why not try a LiveCD distro to test with until you find out you have support? It may also help if you pick a big vendor and report the issue to them so that they can track it and have you test fixes...

Re:acpi support for laptops? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 10 years ago | (#10268667)

10 is good on a laptop. I use it exclusively and with the right settings you get pretty darn close to full use out of the battery.

now, it STILL depends on the laptop. My dell D800 does great and the Video card is supported as well as the wireless g built in. but my older dell use bizzare brand hardware and no linux on this planet works worth a damn on it.

It depends lots on your laptop, if you buy a laptop with linux in mind it's painless (and if you got cash, get a powerbook. best linux support for a laptop anywhere.)

It took me 3 months to find out what laptop to get after calling tech support people to find out EXACTLY what is in the things, for some reason laptop sellers think that what is inside is a secret that you should not know about.

Re:acpi support for laptops? (1)

jrcamp (150032) | about 10 years ago | (#10268679)

To extend battery life you need to use one of the CPUFreq modules to clock down your CPU and its voltage. For Intel these are the SpeedStep ones. AMD also has their own. Then install a simple power management daemon like powernowd which will upclock your processor only when it needs to. There are also the laptop-tools which will spin down your harddrive and keep Linux from flushing its buffers to it when it really doesn't have to.

Neither of these things require ACPI support, I believe.

Also, let's not forget to thank Texstar... (4, Informative)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10267774)

One of the best resources in the Mandrake community has been an individual called Texstar who ran a Linux news site called www.pclinuxonline.com and also in his spare time created RPM packages for Mandrake systems. Texstar's packages became justly famous and were widely used. Thanks to his efforts, many reallly nice RPMs were made available to the MDK commmunity, and eventually went into 9 and 10 from what I've heard. This kind of 'community support' is what I'm most happy with.

Thanks Texstar!

CB@#$

Xorg-X11 6.7? (1)

p0 (740290) | about 10 years ago | (#10267785)

Xorg 6.8 has already been released with some interesting features and enhancements (including the drop shadow and translucency eye candy!). I wonder why it wasnt included.

Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267978)

Not only that but KDE 3.3 has not been included, which has been around for a while.

I can see why Xorg 6.8 isn't in because it is only a week old. You can't hold them to that. You also can't hold them to GNOME 2.8.

But I am overall very disappointed with mandrake. They have polluted the desktop with their branding and I resent that. I have been using their distro as a base, but find myself recompiling nearly every package in the system to eliminate this. Stock packages from KDE and GNOME are so much better.

Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (3, Informative)

rusty0101 (565565) | about 10 years ago | (#10268004)

Because it wasn't released until after the freeze on updates for this release of Mandrake perhaps?

Just because something has a new version out doesn't mean that people putting together a distribution are going to alter the package contents to add it. Gnome 2.8 is out too. It's not in Mandrake 10.1 either. Why not? Because 2.8 was released yesterday (or this week) the freeze for 10.1 happened several weeks ago, about the time that 10.1Beta1 came out I am pretty sure.

-Rusty

Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | about 10 years ago | (#10268139)

Xorg 6.8 has already been released with some interesting features and enhancements (including the drop shadow and translucency eye candy!). I wonder why it wasnt included.

My guess would be because the ATI drivers don't support it (though I have yet to get them tow work with 6.7).

Re:Xorg-X11 6.7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268604)

How many times do people have to be told that ATI drivers suck. They've had shitty driver support FOREVER and will continue to have shitty driver support.

I remember them promising 3D support for their drivers in Linux back in 1996. Back then it was the Rage Fury 3D Chipset.. The same exact nonsense from ATI. If you want proper driver support and a card that actually works with 3D applications get an Nvidia card and be done with it.

Face It (-1, Flamebait)

kenp2002 (545495) | about 10 years ago | (#10267818)

If Doom3, Counter-Strike, and Half-life 2 doesn't run on a distro out of the box it's not worth your time.

Re:Face It (1, Funny)

foxhound01 (661872) | about 10 years ago | (#10268107)

You got that backwards, if they DO run on a distro out of the box, its not worth your time.

Re:Face It (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268492)

Gaming is a real waste of computer resources and a human brain. If you want a really nice Linux distro, Mandrakelinux is it. If you want games, get a PS2 or Xbox.

Xorg 6.8? (2, Interesting)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10267819)

Also, it's easy to update to Xorg 6.8 for MDK users, and I think it's worth the trouble, especially to see those dropshadows. I'm somewhat surprised that MDK didn't wait for 6.8 to go into 10.1, but the dropshadow business isn't completely stable outside of GNOME, and they have to make a cut off soon.

Regardless, MDK users can update rather easily, just update your YUM repository!

CBV

Re:Xorg 6.8? (1)

kormoc (122955) | about 10 years ago | (#10268066)

but the dropshadow business isn't completely stable outside of GNOME

Uhh, excuse me? I'm realtivly sure that metacity's support is even better then gnome's and lots of other wms it works perfectly in...

Re:Xorg 6.8? (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10268166)

Oh, sorry, perhaps I'm not as knowledgeable as I thought I was. I'm seeing 'yellow halos' around some windows after a time in XFCE, but not GNOME (yees, running Metacity). Maybe I need to recompile xcomp as I heard there are some new patches that give more realistic shadows.

PCB$#@

Re:Xorg 6.8? (1)

kormoc (122955) | about 10 years ago | (#10268265)

the xfce support is currently being implimented in cvs, and I think there might be some code already commited, might wanna check out the cvs code to fix that. I also have been told that blackbox's support is fine and well as openbox's as well.

Torrent Available (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267848)

http://67.64.95.209/free/ipods/

here [67.64.95.209]

It has the potential to be THE distro for laptop (4, Interesting)

gsasha (550394) | about 10 years ago | (#10267868)

If their claims hold water, that is...
1. Centrino wireless support integrated, Wi-Fi roaming.
2. ACPI support - finally! I'm sick with rebooting the laptop.
But, good as it sounds, I'm still waiting for the Official.

2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (5, Informative)

jlseagull (106472) | about 10 years ago | (#10267870)

This problem is common with the 2.6 kernel and has been verified in Mandrake 10.0 Community, Red Hat FC1, Red Hat FC2, and others.

Read about it here [mandrakesoft.com] .

Basically, if you touch the MBR with a 2.6 kernel bootloader, XP or Windows 2000 is gone, and can't be restored. So backup your MBR first by using

"dd if=(input device) of=/(output dir)/hda-img.mbr bs=512 count=1"

where if=(input device), should point to your first drive, eg. /dev/hda, and of=(output dir) should point to where you want to save the bootsector as a file. Restore the MBR by reversing the input and output.

Even if you do this to restore, your Windows partition may still be toast, depending on how much you messed with the partition table.

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (5, Interesting)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about 10 years ago | (#10268196)

This is most definitely NOT a problem with the 2.6 kernel since things work fine on both gentoo and Suse with a 2.6 kernel. It is most likely a problem with the implementation of grub or lilo in these distros. And, in my opinion, it is totally unacceptable.

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (1)

jlseagull (106472) | about 10 years ago | (#10268398)

You know what, you're right. A lot of people, including me, saw the same problem across 4 or 5 distros and assumed it was the kernel. However, it could be that they're using the same bootloader, which would also cause this problem. I'm not all that technical, so I don't know. I'm just going to stick with my 2.4 kernel (RH 8.0) until this problem is definitively solved.

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268298)

Haven't they fixed this YET???

This was a problem in FC2 and MDK 10.0, and they STILL haven't fixed it? What are they doing with all the club money?

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (1)

h8macs (301553) | about 10 years ago | (#10268344)

Not to start a flame war or anything but...

IS this an RPM based distro problem?

I've had no such issues, and I have several dual-boot Win2K/Slackware WinXP/Slackware boxes.

They are all running the 2.6 kernel (2.6.3 thru 2.6.8.1) and I have not come upon this issue. GO SLACKWARE! ;-)

BTW, the Mandrake bug report mentions "Fat32" NOT "ntfs" ..(as well as BIOS issues).. sooooo did you accidentally type the wrong FS type in your post?

BTW, I have also had no issues with regards to the MBR and the bootloader when dual-booting Mandrake 10 "official" with WinXP (my laptop).

Perhaps it is a grub issue, I always choose to use lilo.

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (2, Interesting)

jlseagull (106472) | about 10 years ago | (#10268512)

I have no idea whether this is an RPM based distro problem. That may be the case, as gentoo and Suse might not be tied into that, I don't know.

I've tried Slack 10, and had the same issue. If LILO or GRUB were installed as the bootloader in the MBR, the NTFS filesystem dies.

Yes, I'm sure that's the right filesystem. There are other associated BIOS issues (for example, Logical Block Addressing must be turned on), but they don't apply in the majority of cases.

What FS is on your laptop?

No flammage here, just trying to inform

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (1)

skiman1979 (725635) | about 10 years ago | (#10268471)

I've had the 2.6.x kernel install just fine on a dual boot setup (WinXP/Gentoo). The first time I installed Gentoo, I messed it up and the MBR got corrupted.... upon system boot up, after the initial RAM test and hard drive detection, I got something line 999999999999999999999999 IIRC and then it just locked up. However, I just booted up with a win98 boot disk and ran fdisk /MBR (I think that was the command) and XP's boot record was restored. It certainly can be restored.

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268761)

Linux is SO FULL of bugs I just don't see why anyone actually trusts it for anything. It constatntly destroys it's own file system (Reiser too) let alone others. X won't stay running for a single day. CD Burning is on again off again with every release. WTH? And these are with "stable" release lines!

Re:2.6 kernel may blow away NTFS. (3, Informative)

egghat (73643) | about 10 years ago | (#10268669)

If I understand things correctly, you shouldn't be hit by this bug any more especially with a new distro like the new Mandrake.

Read more about this here, especially about resolving this when you have been hit (you won't lose any data):

Fedora Mailing List post [redhat.com]

Bye egghat.

download from mirrors please! (2, Informative)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10267889)

pretty good mirror (speed wise)
http://ftp.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/Mandrakel inux/de vel/iso/10.1/

I'm going to see what new things are out on the Desktop.

CB

Re:download from mirrors please! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268128)

that mirror still has the public beta. not the club release.

2.6.8.1 you say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10267952)

I'll pass then. That was the worst (as in, least reliable) 2.6 kernel drop so far! They should have used 2.6.7 which is rock solid.

What about the k3b burner detection issues? (4, Informative)

skyshock21 (764958) | about 10 years ago | (#10267967)

Have Mandrake altered the Kernel to fix this issue? This from k3b.org [plainblack.com] :

Do not use Kernel 2.6.8

A patch that was introduced into the kernel shortly before the 2.6.8 release makes K3b and also the dvd+rw-tools unusable on Linux (unless run as root but that is not recommended). The very important GET CONFIGURATION MMC command is rejected by the kernel for reasons I cannot see and writing commands like MODE SELECT also fail (K3b cannot detect CD writers without it) even when the device is opened O_RDWR. Until this issue has been solved I strongly recommend to stick to kernel version 2.6.7.

Update: The kernel guys are currently fixing the problem so the next kernel release should work again. :)

Update 2: The problem is NOT fixed in 2.6.8.1

Update 3: Be aware that kernel 2.6.8 also contains the memory leak which makes it impossible to write audio cds, even as root.

It pisses me off. I have 2.6.8 on Gentoo. Apparently I can emerge the recent CK sources and boot that kernel, but then I have a whole NEW set of problems to deal with. I just want my *&#%ing CD burner to work!

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268079)

Then don't use a bleeding edge kernel, dipshit.

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (1)

skyshock21 (764958) | about 10 years ago | (#10268117)

Hey, thanks for the help, dipshit!

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (1)

Dunkelzahn (106055) | about 10 years ago | (#10268141)

That memory leak is nasty. I had to roll back my install to 2.6.7 because of the way it would slow down my system to sub-Pentium levels if I left it up for more than a few hours. I was starting to wonder if my IDE bus was blowing up on me when I'd try to burn audio cd's, and then I read about that leak which explained the slowdowns. So I would have to concur with the parent. 2.6.7 works just fine, but 2.6.8 should be skipped.

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (1)

skyshock21 (764958) | about 10 years ago | (#10268171)

Question - I'm somewhat of a noob when it comes to Gentoo. Is there an easy way to roll back to the 2.6.7 Kernel, or do I have to go grab it from Kernel.org and compile/makeBzImage etc...? Would you mind pointing me in the right direction here of any sort of web resources to help me out? I'd greatly appreciate it. :)

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (1)

Dunkelzahn (106055) | about 10 years ago | (#10268240)

I have always used the plain vanilla kernel.org kernels, compiled to my needs, no matter what the distro. If I need to download one of their kernels as a dependency, I simply emerge the sources but never compile or install it. If you have an existing kernel install with a source tree in /usr/src/linux* - if the kernels are within a couple of releases of each other you can usually get away with copying the .config over to your new (old) kernel tree and skip the 'make config/menuconfig/xconfig' portion of the install.

Re:What about the k3b burner detection issues? (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about 10 years ago | (#10268245)

Just emerge a gentoo-dev-sources 2.6.7 kernel and boot with it until a fixed 2.6.9 one comes out. What is the problem?

The issues have been fixed in the kernel (5, Informative)

Sits (117492) | about 10 years ago | (#10268566)

Here is a cooker mailing list post refering to the bug being resolved [mandrakelinux.com] .

goa7 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268103)

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Financial situation? (1)

infolib (618234) | about 10 years ago | (#10268111)

Anyone know how Mdk's finances look right now? They've been in some trouble.

Re:Financial situation? (1)

skyshock21 (764958) | about 10 years ago | (#10268144)

Supposedly they're out of the red now. At least that's what I heard a few months ago from the newsletter.

Only available to club members? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268172)

Can someone explain how this is not a GPL violation? I assume that they will have source distributions available NOW!

Re:Only available to club members? (3, Informative)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about 10 years ago | (#10268596)

Well, children, the GPL says you have to release source code to your USERS when you distribute binary code. That's how this isn't a violation of any licenses.

Re:Only available to club members? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268718)

It also says that you cannot ask for any information or make people "sign" anything in order to get the code. This "club" sounds like something you have to sign up for...

How incredibly hypocritical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268247)

Mandrakesoft released MandrakeLinux 10.1 Community, As usual it's only available first to the club members

What an incredibly hypocritical position to take.

all i want is kde 3.3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268410)

i've been running 10.0 official for some time now and dammit, kde 3.3 has been out for weeks now. where in the hell are the rpm's for mdk for kde 3.3???

Mandrake Club (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268610)

The first rule of Mandrake club is that you DO NOT TALK about Mandrake club.

This is an outrage (0, Troll)

twfry (266215) | about 10 years ago | (#10268717)

How dare they release a product to premium customers first instead of everyone.

Oh, this is Mandrake and not Microsoft. Sorry, forget about it.

RedHat RedHat!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10268779)

No thanks Mandrake, I've used you before and I didn't like you. I'll keep using my Redhat ;)
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