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PVR's Head-to-Head: MythTV vs. Microsoft MCE

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the two-enter-one-leaves dept.

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asciimonster writes "AnandTech has completed its second review of set-top box Personal Video Recorders. After checking out the Linux-based MythTV, previously covered here on slashdot, they compared it to Microsoft's Windows XP Media Center Edition 2004. 'Our analysis has proved that though Media Center Edition 2004 is a boxed package that is easy to set up and configure, it looks amazingly beautiful, has great features such as On-Demand content, and is fully supported by Microsoft. However, for the enthusiast, MythTV takes the gold for its greater support for a variety of hardware and software codecs.'"

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MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (5, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271162)

Unfortunately, we have a large issue with the amount of disk space that the MPEG2 codec consumes. A 15-minute clip of video can take as much as 400MB. MythTV does not perform much better when video is downloaded at high quality, but we have the option to transcode, or re-render the MPEG stream into something a little more versatile. For example, we can compress our cartoon captures down to a lower quality MPEG1 codec without sacrificing much quality; or with a XviD plugin, we can transcode our entire library into MPEG4 in the background. Note that we are using the same Sempron 3100+ processor in both machines!

How well would the transcoding to XViD work when they have sacrificed the CPU to the encoding gods? Wouldn't the machine take a serious hit trying to record and transcode at the same time when they aren't using a hardware encoder?

In this analysis, we are taking video capture from analog cable. We are able to capture digital cable from a digital cable feed as well, but it requires the MCE machine to use a special IR module that actually controls the digital cable box. This can be done with MythTV under LIRC as well.

I have a Tivo and attempted to use the IR modules to control it before caving in and getting the serial control. From what I read the IR control is a pain in the ass and switches channels extremely slowly giving you a lag feel which for some is rather annoying. They don't mention that in this review though.

Of course, on the MythTV machine, we are actually able to skip the commercials entirely. MythTV surpasses MCE completely in this respect. During our tests, 9 out of 10 commercial breaks were skipped flawlessly. ReplayTV's accuracy may be slightly higher than this, but for a free solution, Myth does an excellent job.

This is a minor annoyance for me being a Tivo user. I really wish I could easily do this. FF'ing the commercials is easy and the Tivo does do a good job once you get the hang of it but I would LOVE to see them just gone completely.

From what I can see MCE is really beautiful. You get what you pay for though. I'd love to have the time to play with MythTV (and buy all the hardware) but it seems like you can get the package complete with your DRM'd OS from MS with little pain.

Honestly I am glad that I went w/even less painful option of Tivo but that's me.

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (2, Informative)

CyberKnet (184349) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271258)

How well would the transcoding to XViD work when they have sacrificed the CPU to the encoding gods? Wouldn't the machine take a serious hit trying to record and transcode at the same time when they aren't using a hardware encoder?

Transcoding happens after the program is finished recording. For best results though, use something with a hardware MPEG encoder to avoid said sacrifices. A Hauppauge PVR-250 does the job nicely. Two do it even better.

I love my MythTV HTPC... I thought about acquiring a Tivo several times, but the benefits of MythTV are too attractive for me.

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271297)

Well the article says (obviously they could be wrong) or with a XviD plugin, we can transcode our entire library into MPEG4 in the background.

So they are encoding a stream that was already captured in the background (I assume while other encoding could be going on) which would make for a SERIOUS CPU hit because they chose to save a couple extra bucks by not using the hardware MPEG encoder.

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (4, Insightful)

CyberKnet (184349) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271411)

Quoted: MythTV does not perform much better when video is downloaded at high quality, but we have the option to transcode, or re-render the MPEG stream into something a little more versatile.

This is what I was commenting on.
MythTV will transcode a recording after it is recorded into a different format.

So they are encoding a stream that was already captured in the background (I assume while other encoding could be going on) which would make for a SERIOUS CPU hit because they chose to save a couple extra bucks by not using the hardware MPEG encoder.

The PVR-250 (most commonly used hardware encoder in conjunction with MythTV) encodes into MPEG2 which is the codec they were taking issue with. There are MPEG4 encoders, but they mostly deal with DVB signals rather than standard analog cable.

Compressing to DivX/MPEG4 from MPEG2 can yield tremendous savings. I personally dont do it, but I understand those that do. I would rather spend the extra $$$ from the cpu on a (much) larger hard drive to host the recordings.

To be honest though... there's not much else to do with your CPU. If you have a hardware encoder on your tv capture, and a hardware decoder in your video playback.... what else are you going to do with your CPU?

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (1)

strictfoo (805322) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271272)

Our analysis has proved that though Media Center Edition 2004 is a boxed package that is easy to set up and configure, it looks amazingly beautiful, has great features such as On-Demand content, and is fully supported by Microsoft.

Wow... that sentence makes my head hurt. So, the analyis proved that MCE is the following:

  • A boxed package
  • Looks amazingly beautiful
  • Has great features
  • Fully supported by Microsoft (WOOPOPEIEIIEI!)

What is this, CBS? What great features!

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271321)

I did not read the article and have not used MCE or any other PVR type stuff. I do however have an ATI All in Wonder which I use to record TV. I also have a modified xbox running Xbox Media Center. [xboxmediacenter.org] Through there I stream any video or audio I want over the network and its wonderful.

Come over to the Dark Side (2, Interesting)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271355)

I would LOVE to see [commercials] just gone completely ... I am glad that I went w/even less painful option of Tivo but that's me."

It's not too late to renounce your youthful indiscretion and come over to the dark side. ReplayTV, no commercials [replayfaqs.com] , no DRM, internet show sharing...

Re:MCE is really nice but I am partial to Linux... (4, Informative)

smackjer (697558) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271363)

From what I read the IR control is a pain in the ass and switches channels extremely slowly giving you a lag feel which for some is rather annoying.

If you're channel-surfing the traditional way (up, up, up, up, up, up, up), then yeah, the IR transmitter sucks. There's a good 2 or 3 second delay before the new channel comes up.

However, if you use Tivo the way it's supposed to be used, via the on-screen program guide, or even better -- time shifting -- it's not as much of an issue.

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271163)

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Myth install (5, Interesting)

JoeNiner (758431) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271165)

The biggest problem I remember them having the first time was the Myth (and Linux) install. Then in this review they go with KnoppMyth and gloss over the 20 minute setup...

Re:Myth install (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271240)

Yeah, they do make it seem trivial to get everything setup with Knoppix Myth as if there is nothing really required from the user to get it going.

From what I understand you still have to install from the CD to the HD in order to get it all setup. It's not exactly like you can pop a KnoppMyth CD into a machine w/a WinTV card and start timeshifting.

You get what you pay for though. If you spend the money on the software you are locked in to what MSFT wants to do (DRM, on demand, etc) but you don't have to spend the time tinkering to get it working.

Re:Myth install (2, Informative)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271348)

KnoppMyth rocks. It is the only way to do the MythTV install quickly without either being an expert about how all the moving pieces fit together or having an exact clone of one of the developer's machines. If you want a no-tinkering solution, just buy a Tivo. And as for installing to HD, if you don't have a HD, where were you planning to store all this video data you're generating?

Re:Myth install (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271306)

I had the same issue with the review... it doesn't make sense to me. They compare PQ with two different types of cards, and compare setups with the harder to setup stand alone myth (compared to knoppmyth)...

i'm glad it wasn't just me who was confused on their methodology there...

e.

Re:Myth install (1, Insightful)

plj (673710) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271469)

First of all: following the pure /. style, I admit that I didn't RTFA this time. Besides, I'm currently drunk.

Media Center Edition 2004 is a boxed package that is easy to set up and configure, it looks amazingly beautiful, has great features such as On-Demand content, and is fully supported by Microsoft.

But I still have to say: just what I expect of home entertainment systems; easy to use, looks good, useful features and good vendor support.

This is exactly why my private laptop is a Macintosh. Yeah, sometimes I truly love playing with Linux. But at home, most of the time I want that things just work. Given the MS's reputation I truly hate to say this, but if this is what MCE 2004 really is, then I'm a potential customer -- supposing it has the features that somehow satisfy my needs.

MythTV is the best thing to ever happen for Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271167)

MythTV is awsome.... even better than TIVO!!!

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271170)

FIRST POST BIYATCH!

asdf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271172)

first?

Microsoft's Media Center can be better... (-1, Redundant)

kiskoa (696916) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271176)

...but does it run Linux?

The Myth of Repressed Memory (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271184)

iggle ooggle

MS vs Linux (-1, Troll)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271190)

Let's see...one PVR is made by Microsoft and the other runs Linux. With that in mind, let's all relax and let each and every Slashdot user make up his/her own mind about which one they think is better. *ducks*

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271194)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
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If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
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Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
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  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

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| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
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| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
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| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
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Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

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cost? (4, Interesting)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271198)

I looked into this last year, but the holding out point was the cost...it didn't seem to be cheap enough to warrant not buying a Tivo. Still, you wouldn't have to pay the monthy fee (yech!)

Has anyone 'rolled their own' and have a price/features overview? Is it worth it yet?

CBSDFEW@#$%^&*))(

Re:cost? (3, Insightful)

CyberKnet (184349) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271310)

It will very likely never be cheaper to build a MythTV box rather than buy a Tivo. I had been very lucky up until recently and got *amazing* deals on all the hardware I bought... but I still eneded up paying about $150.

MythTV will never be the "cheaper" alternative, but it will always be the superior alternative in my opinion. The extra features (MythMusic, MythWeb (!!!), MythDVD etc) are determining factors that keep me with Myth instead of buying a Tivo.

Re:cost? (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271324)

I agree that it will always be better, and 150$ sounds totally cheap to have this kind of freedom/expandability. Any advice on cases? Do you use Wifii with it? Is it pretty quiet?

I'm going to start looking into this, it looks like MythTV is finally mature enough (for me anyway! ;))

Thanks

CB

Re:cost? (5, Informative)

CyberKnet (184349) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271476)

Bear in mind the following:
1) I got the (dual 633mhz PIII) PC with TV-out for free. It isn't *quite* fast enough sometimes. Most (95%) of the time it's fine.
2) I got the TV Tuner cards with hardware MPEG encoders for $50 each... 1/3 the normal price.
3) I traded a laptop hard drive for an ultra quiet Seagate Barracuda V 120GB
4) The other $50 was for an I/R keyboard.

My machine is definitely is not quiet, but it can be done (for more money).
Case wise, a lot of people are happy with the ASUS pundit. A lot just use something painted gloss black.

A few people have reported 802.11g to have enough bandwidth to handle video playback. 802.11b will definitely not cut the mustard. I got rid of my wireless gear after getting MythTV and wired my house up. It is (much) cheaper than getting wireless gear, and now I can copy the 2GB video files off at a decent speed. Wireless (802.11g) was SO slow. And the microwave next door or a cordless phone would kill it.

But yes, MythTV is pretty mature these days... In fact, my hardware let me down before the software did. (old 10GB os drive died).

Re:cost? (1)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271395)

I have a Dtivo, Tivo, and a Myth. The Dtivo is great the Tivo isnt bad and the Myth simply kicks ass. As for costs....the Dtivo is the most expensive then Myth with Tivo (standalone) being cheapest to get into but just as expensive as Myth over a 5 year period. So it would seem that the best way to handle this is do the Myth TV. I use a Pentium 3 and a Happauge PVR card with mpeg2 encoder built in hardware. All works rather nicely. The best part with Myth is that there arent any format Nazis lurking to keep you from doing whatever you want with what you record :)

Re:cost? (2, Interesting)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271456)

My DirecTiVo's cost me $99, the monthly fee is just $5. This makes it way cheaper than standard Tivo and it can do things the other two boxes can't.

The downside is now I can hear the siren song of the HD DirecTiVo calling to me... Man I need a price drop!!!

Re:cost? (3, Interesting)

squeegee_boy (319210) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271440)

Has anyone 'rolled their own' and have a price/features overview? Is it worth it yet?

Well, since I can't get Tivo service at any price (Canada), Myth works better for me. It's cost me well over $1500 so far, but that's for a 3-tuner backend and two frontends. Not too bad for 3 complete computers.

It sure as heck didn't save me any time, but I learned waaay more than I ever wanted to know about video on Linux. You probably won't ever same money on a roll-your-own, but for me and others, money isn't entirely the whole story :)

Re:cost? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271442)

"I looked into this last year, but the holding out point was the cost...it didn't seem to be cheap enough to warrant not buying a Tivo. Still, you wouldn't have to pay the monthy fee (yech!)

Has anyone 'rolled their own' and have a price/features overview? Is it worth it yet?"

it's really less about "cost" and more about freedom and the ability to customize and add functionality without waiting for the corporate groupthink to ask the FCC first if it's ok or not.

*shrug* In order for it to be cost effective it really helps to have an existing older (but not too old) PC laying around that you can throw a 99 dollar hardware tuner/encoder card into and some beefy drives. (and then have the patience to install, configure, and tweak it to your hearts content...) (it also helps to factor in the lifetime unit subscription of a Tivo + the 99 dollar AMIR price... at least that's what you tell the wife when you spend 700 dollars on your DIY PVR =) )

YMMV,

e.

MythTV (5, Interesting)

polecat_redux (779887) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271204)

It seems great for cable, but how well does it interface with a satellite-based service such as DirecTV? Since in that case, all tuning is controlled by the receiver, MythTV would be helpless - unless you could wire an IR emitter to it. But even then, the software would still have only passive control over the receiver (what if it goes to change a channel, but the reciever is off?).

Re:MythTV (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271255)

It seems great for cable, but how well does it interface with a satellite-based service such as DirecTV? Since in that case, all tuning is controlled by the receiver, MythTV would be helpless - unless you could wire an IR emitter to it. But even then, the software would still have only passive control over the receiver (what if it goes to change a channel, but the reciever is off?).

Does MSCE have an advantage here? Not that I am aware of. I do understand that this is a huge benefit of a TiVo or ReplayTV over a PC driven system, but where the PC setups (especially MythTV) win is in the ability to do as you please with the files.

And the bit about the reciever being off would fall under 'user error' in my opinion. Someone who would make that mistake most likely wouldn't be able to install MythTV and / or Linux (:

Re:MythTV (4, Insightful)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271274)

It seems great for cable, but how well does it interface with a satellite-based service such as DirecTV? Since in that case, all tuning is controlled by the receiver, MythTV would be helpless - unless you could wire an IR emitter to it. But even then, the software would still have only passive control over the receiver (what if it goes to change a channel, but the reciever is off?).

MythTV does support IR or Serial changing of the channel, but if you have DirecTV you'd be foolish not to use DirecTivo - at prices anywhere from free to $100 and direct recording of MPEG stream from the satelite (I.e. no transcoding, same exact quality as original) plus support for 2 tuners in each Tivo unit.

Of course DirecTivo does not offer anything other than recording and playback of TV, so you will still need something to play MP3s, video files, etc.

Re:MythTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271441)

I gave up on MythTV because of the fact I use a satellite box for my TV needs. LIRC is evil. I have to recompile my kernel just so I can use a serial device? WTF!? Oh, and it only works with certain versions of the kernel, which conflict with the kernel version my video card needs, which is different from the kernel version that my MPEG-2 capture card needs? Egads.

I ended up going with BeyondTV on a Windows 2000 setup instead. So much simpler, just as much flexibility at MythTV (albeit with a $65 price tag for the software... well worth it!)

Re:MythTV (2, Interesting)

JoeNiner (758431) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271313)

I believe there is an IR controller plug in (software and hardware). The bigger question with DirecTV is, "Is MythTV worth the trouble and expense, given that a DirecTivo can be gotten cheap, and the monthly fee for DirecTivo is the same as what DirecTV would charge for the 2nd Tuner (which is included in the DirecTivo Box)?" I went with DirecTivo, because it simply works. I get two tuners controlled on one screen, and it is smaller than any HTPC I have seen, especiallyt if you include the 2 (necessary) Sat Tuners. There was a previous thread where a lot of people complained about speed, but I recently had to restart my DirecTivo (due to it not receiving channel info) and it seemed to speed it up as well. Hopefully it is just a software issue that can be improved (though DirecTV may not bother...)

Re:MythTV (2, Informative)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271431)

There is IR controller module for Myth to control such devices. If you have Dtivo you can actually controll the Dtivo directly from the Myth system via ethernet (requires adding one to your Dtivo , but if you havent done this already...you must be beaten!!!) Anyways yes Myth can control this no problem. IF you have Sat reciever only then it is controlled via the IR module. Just like a lot of other equipment controlls it. Who the hell turns off their reciever to start with....turning it off at the switch doesnt turn it off even....the unit is still fully running just not output to screen so why bother. It appears you are grasping for any reason to say Myth is no good. But your points are not valid and are easily handled. It would be no great feat to wire the on/off switch on the sat receiver to be polled and controlled by the Myth box. :) Your gonna have to try a lot harder than that to defeat Myth!!!

Re:MythTV (1)

Jeff Mahoney (11112) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271514)

Honestly, what difference would it make? If the receiver is off, it's recording nothing anyway.

This happens occasionally to me with my digital cable box and tivo, when they do firmware upgrades on the cable box.

The result, you lose programming until you notice that the cable box/satellite reciever has been turned off. This happens so infrequently in practice that it's effectively a non-issue.

The barbarians have won (4, Funny)

Colonel Cholling (715787) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271215)

AnandTech has completed it's second review

It's official. I'm the last surviving human who knows how to use an apostrophe properly.

Re:The barbarians have won (3, Funny)

rumpledstiltskin (528544) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271263)

h3wat are you tlaking about? Iv'e always used aspotrophes right

Re:The barbarians have won (0)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271267)

"It's official. I'm the last surviving human who knows how to use an apostrophe properly."

Glad to see you have also mastered the use of the period as well.

Re:The barbarians have won (2, Insightful)

vhold (175219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271316)

"It's official", as in "It is official", is actually a complete sentence. I don't know if those commas of mine belong inside or outside those quotes though.

Re:The barbarians have won (2, Informative)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271368)

US usage: "It's official,"

UK usage: 'It's official',

Stylistically, the proper punctuation would probably be "It's official:", or "It's official!" for emphasis. Many of us like the em dash, though: "It's official - ".

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

wwelch (168084) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271377)

FYI, commas go inside quotes. The same holds true for periods, etc.

Although, I've always disliked this; whenever I end a sentence with a quote I always feel like I'm adding punctuation that wasn't in the original text...

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271438)

Actually, in the US, punctuation is within quotes, in the UK et al, punctuation is without quotes.

IIRC, the reason we Americans put them within is because otherwise they'd be 'lonely.'

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271452)

But not ! or ?. Those only go inside if it was part of the quote.

For example

He said "What?"
That is a statement. Somebody asked "What?".
Did he say "Yes"?
That is a question. You are saking if he said "Yes"

Also, you are adding punctuation that wasn't in the quote? If the quote was a sentance that ended with a period, then you have added nothing. If your quote was not the whole sentance, then you NEED ... at the end, instead. If you are throwing a complete quote in the middle of a sentance, the only change you make is the period to a comma.

Re:The barbarians have won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271507)

If this is the thread on punctuation and grammar then I might as well through out the following:

quote
v. tr.
1. To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source.

quotation
n.
2. A passage quoted.

Re:The barbarians have won (0)

vhold (175219) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271283)

"AnandTech has completed it's second review"

Ironically, the possessive form of "it" is actually "its", no apostrophe.

Re:The barbarians have won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271387)

You obviously have no clue what the word 'irony' means. Where have the literati gone? Slashdot has less class than a school at midnight.

Re:The barbarians have won (2, Informative)

Em Adespoton (792954) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271479)

Now on to the correct use of "punctuation," which goes inside the "quotes."

Re:The barbarians have won (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271515)

Ironically, the possessive form of "it" is actually "its", no apostrophe.

1. That's not irony.
2. That was the point of the parent poster.

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271366)

It's official. I'm the last surviving human who knows how to use an apostrophe properly.

Huh? You mean that apostrophe's are not used to announce the presence of an upcoming 's' on the end of word's? Surely 10 million US retailer's can't be wrong?!

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

Stuart Gibson (544632) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271399)


AnandTech has completed it's second review

It's official. I'm the last surviving human who knows how to use an apostrophe properly.

No, your'e not.

Stuart

Re:The barbarians have won (1)

cbrocious (764766) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271407)

No your not.

Subscriptionless (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271220)

The question is how do you get by with a list of free TV guide so you can program at will with no subscription.

NO Mention of other alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271270)

SageTV is a pretty good alternative to MCE if you want a non-linux, easy-to-configure PVR:

http://www.sage.tv/ [www.sage.tv]

When coupled with a Hauppauge PVR250/350 (that has integrated MPEG2 en/decode) you get a decent PVR system with good performance.

Re:Subscriptionless (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271362)

Newer televisions have a built-in menu system that recieves the information from the cable company. I had it working for comcast and a dinky local cable company so I guess it's pretty common. I'm not talking about digital converter boxes, I'm talking about a built in menu.

Re:Subscriptionless (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271501)

Built in menu?

What the fuck? Are you talking about the TV Guide channel, or the now defunct Gemstar crap?

Re:Subscriptionless (4, Informative)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271364)

By using Zap2It [mythtv.org]

Tv guide like CDDB? (3, Interesting)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271228)

Is there databases out there operating like CDDB for TV shows? I always thought this is what would (eventually) kill the monthly pay Tivo like services.

That would have the 'wow' factor that would make me start to build one of these MythTV beasts.

PCBVS&D*

Re:Tv guide like CDDB? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271327)

well, not exactly... (not sure if CDDB is the right analogy here though... not sure what you mean...)

if you are talking about getting TV guide data free as in beer... you can sign up for a free account with zap2it. google for xmltv =)

e.

Re:Tv guide like CDDB? (1)

HepCatA (313858) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271330)

It's been a while since I built a MythTV box (went to a PrismIQ for a while; OK but not great)...

That being said I remember that there was an XML hookup for most cable channels by zip code. It would pull it all from an XML database and you just had to run it as a cron job to pick up the latest listings. AND you could timeshift based on those listings through the interface.

Try here [mythtv.org]

Re:Tv guide like CDDB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271338)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271269)

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Fp cU.m (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271278)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271284)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

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His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



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If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

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.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

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IPTV (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271286)

Personally I couldn't care about either live or recorded television. I want on demand content integrated into the interface, and so far only MCE does this. Tivo owners will get this too if things go well. The race for the living room has just begun.

TiVo anyone? (2, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271287)

It's interesting to head-to-head MythTV and Microsofts WMC as two computer/TV units... but as far as I'm concerned I'm sticking with my TiVo as a unit that runs Linux and does nothing but drive my TV. Afterall, the more computing tasks you give a box, the more likely you are to crash it, and I demand high reliablity from my TV.

Re:TiVo anyone? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271345)

"I demand high reliablity from my TV."

Why? It's TV. The world's not going to end if a crash causes you to miss the first five minutes of MythBusters...

Yup... (1, Offtopic)

Da VinMan (7669) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271370)

I'm with you on that one. TiVo presents a high realiability AND high quality experience. My only complaint is that I'm slowly filling up my TiVo with content that I don't want to delete.

Is there an easy way offload that content from a series 2 TiVo without submitting to the "load tape in VCR, record shows one by one until tape is full (including overrun errors), get next tape, repeat" cycle?

Re:Yup... (2)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271512)

Come on people open the damned box! Get online and read (try dealdatabase.com for starters!) How in the world do you claim to read /., be a tech head, and not know that you can hack the CRAP outta a TIVO! I myself am a huge supporter of Tivo....I have bought quite a few of these lovely boxes :) I run 2 currently at the house alone!!! But Myth is a much more free system with none of the restrictions that Tivo has. Also there are no FEES like Tivo charges (even their lifetime service is not for a lifetime its for 5 years!!! read the fine print) And there is nothing inherently more stable about Tivo then Myth. Or have you never seen the Green Screen of death on a Tivo or experienced the power on/power off endless cycle they can get into. Its a computer just like Myth uses. Things will go wrong. At least i can get parts for my Myth....its expensive to get parts for a Tivo. And if you copying these shows to Video Tape...im gonna have to come slap you. Tape is not perminent media. Go to DVD. I can go through my PC or via the video out to a standalone PVR / DVD writer and the shows are mine forever. Myth doesnt require the jumping through hoops to export the streams. Myth is a better way to do it. Now 1 cavet .... DTIVO is great cause you dont lose any of the perfect quality. But your stuck with the tiresome exporting and converting to get it out of the DTIVO and into a PC. Again Myth does this so well its won me over!

MythTV and HDTV? (1)

raygundan (16760) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271291)

Does anybody have links to good info on MythTV and Linux support for the various HDTV tuner cards out there? I already have a tivo for the normal stuff.

Last time I looked, Linux support for these cards was spotty to nonexistant-- if it has improved, I would love to dump windows for free software for recording HDTV.

Re:MythTV and HDTV? (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271369)

One example (although for over the air ATSC DTV signals)

pcHDTV HD-2000 [pchdtv.com]

seems to be sold out (which is good and bad)

e.

Re:MythTV and HDTV? (2, Informative)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271383)

There's a fair amount of documentation over at mythtv.org, and even more extensive hardware specs (alot of which was written by your truly - please edit it if you disagree!) over at the Myth wiki hardware section http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/HardWare [mythtv.info] .

I'm based in the UK so don't know much about HDTV, but IIRC the only HDTV card that'll work under Linux (and Linux only) is available from PCHDTV http://pchdtv.com/ [pchdtv.com]

Re:MythTV and HDTV? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271453)

I've am building a Linux PVR and so looking into this too...

The real isssue is that after July 05 most HDTV will be encrypted with the broadcast flag/HDCP so no PVR will be able to record it at full resolution ayway, unless someone comes up with a hack (which no doubt will happen sooner or later).

No cards on the market at the moment decrypt HDCP and none are likely to appear as the consortium will only issue licences/specs to comapnies that produce closed hardware that doens't give any control to the user to record/copy HDTV at full resolution.

Uh-huh... (1, Flamebait)

gUmbi (95629) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271294)

However, for the enthusiast, MythTV takes the gold for its greater support for a variety of hardware and software codecs.'"

Yeah, 'cause that's what I really care about when I'm wearing a nice ass-groove into the couch - that my codec is superior. Screw usability.

Re:Uh-huh... (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271478)

Eh. Seems to me you might care when you can fit more things at a higher quality. What are you complaining about exactly -- if you want something cooler, do more work and use MythTV. If your a luser who doesn't care about the quality or amount of his content, you can help MS empire to gain a strangle hold on the market and purchase their shit.

Why are you even on slashdot? Shouldn't a geek or nerd care about the codecs to even concider holding the title?
--SD

DirecTV compatable? (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271295)

I'm talking to a friend that wants to build one of these (or have me build it for them more likely), is this compatable with Satellite based broadcast, or just cable?

As a cable user I'm really interested in this KnoppixMyth installer!

CB

Re:DirecTV compatable? (3, Informative)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271415)

If you can get output from your cable/sat device into your Mythbox capture card, then yes it's compatible.

There are instructions on how to get your Mythbox to change channels on your cable/sat box in numerous tutorials all over the web.

KnoppMyth is a good way of getting Myth up and running quickly, although most seasoned Myth users seem to prefer to use a full fledge distro in order to give easier configuration of all those peripheral devices. Gentoo, Debian unstable and FC1/2 are very popular choices.

Re:DirecTV compatable? (1)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271530)

Myth works with ANY video source period.....

Home made alternatives (1)

kaos.geo (587126) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271299)

I have an old Winfast 2000 tv tuner card (not the XP version) and with the new drivers/software from leadtek I can record TV shows flawlessly, it even supports straight to VCD DVD burning. (previous driver/software versions DIDN'T WORK AT ALL :P ) I would love to try Both Windows Media Center AND Myth. Knoppix has TV tuner software but I cant seem to make it work with the winfast... anyone could?

As a happy MythTV user... (5, Insightful)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271329)

...there are alot of problems with this review.

Firstly, they try and compare software encoding offof any old bttv card to hardware encoding on a card like the PVR-250 (which Myth is more than capable of handling adequately). Apples and oranges.

They make almost no mention of the many plugins Myth has available, such as the web browser, RSS syndication, weather, music, every kind of video ever (through mPlayer and/or Xine)...

Almost complete non-mention of the way MythWeb (web-based MythTV control and viewing system) seamlessly integrates with the system, and allows you to do funky things with your Mythbox from work

And they also ignore MythTV's *real* strength in that you can cluster as many computers and TV cards as you want into a single cohesive entertainment system spanning your entire house, thanks to it's funky client/server architecture.

Very little objective/subjective comment on the relative merits of the interfaces

Frankly, I find it rather difficult that they could put an entire Myth system together in little under 4 hours, especially since they seem to know little about Linux (for instance, it is practically impossible to compile MythTV in 20 minutes - it takes aaaaaggggggeeeeessss. Methinks they meant download and install rather than compile).

Most of the review (and screenshots) seems to be spent on drooling over MCE's blue buttons. In short, not a very worthwhile or in-depth comparison IMHO.

This FP for GNAA... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271340)

Usenet posts. do and doing what th1ng for the I don't want to

Where does freevo fit in? (2, Interesting)

iso (87585) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271346)

I'm curious to know where Freevo [sourceforge.net] stands in all of this. I installed MythTV and found it to be very clunky. I recently installed Freevo from the debian packages and had it up and running in literally 30 minutes! It seems a lot smoother than MythTV when using it, and it seems to be more extensible. On the downside all of the Freevo setup is done by editing a text file, but I've found it to be more solid than MythTV so far.

Admittedly I only looked at MythTV for about a day on and off. Does anybody here with more experience with MythTV have an opinion of how MythTV and Freevo compare?

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271353)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

sl

False Dichotomy (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271374)

Everyone forget about Freevo [sourceforge.net] ? This is a kickass product too...

slipshod article (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271396)

I stopped reading after the second or third page, where they describe a NEW MythTV system that's cheaper than the one in the first article, but then is followed with "note that all results are from the original system we described".

Why the hell bring it up until after the main article then? Yes, you can make a really cheep MythTV box. It'll be LOUD AS HELL (i.e. not something you want in your living room while you're watching TV) and I doubt the quality would be as good as the originally described system with a hardware encoder.

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271397)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

fo

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271406)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

gvl

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271414)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

tsj

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271421)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

cg

Error in the article... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271423)

...programming guide is implemented similarly in both instances. ...
the feature that puts MCE on top in this screen is the live display on the bottom left.


they must not have used mythtv much, if you enter the programming guide while watching tv, you get a miniature tv display in the corner as well.

Buy a TiVo! (3, Informative)

ghideon (720955) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271448)

No, seriously.
I speak as someone who put together a Myth box. Used a Via Nehamiah chipset, 120GB HDD, CD ROM, Hauppauge 350 PVR card, all in a box the size of one of my programming texts. And running Gentoo (found some really nice Gentoo specific kernel patches and ebuilds).
Total cost was over $700. Biggest problem I had was that the Hauppage 350 drivers were literally months old. Yes, my Myth box kicks much arse. The web interface is slick, there's plug ins to do MP3 and video (and soon DVD IIRC), but for the amount of $$$ and time invested, a TiVo would have been so much easier.

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271467)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

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Macintosh PVR? (2, Insightful)

yet another coward (510) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271477)

With iDVD and similar software, I really wish there were something for Macintosh even close to MythTV or MCE. The EyeTV reports I have read contend that it is not reliable. The Hauppauge products for Apple get very little attention. The whole state of affairs is disappointing.

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271493)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

im

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10271497)

News Agencies Deny NK Blast was a Nuke
GNAA reveals the truth - Nigger Operatives Responsible
MudanJiang, People's Republic of China: 13 August 2004

The GNAA has today broken the media lockout on North Korea's nuclear explosion. With governmental and press agencies everywhere desperately lying [cnn.com] to the sheep-like public, the GNAA has had to step forward.

"We did it", the words of Gay Nigger Association President timecop. Nigger agent Relex is believed have penetrated deep into DPRK [korea-dpr.com] territory and conducted sabotage missions culminating in the recent Nuke blast. His weeklong absence from #GNAA (on irc.gnaa.us) was cause for suspicions that dangerous operations were afoot. Intelligence sources indicate that Relex did not have enough time to escape the lethal zone of the warhead, and was well within its kill radius at the time of detonation.

A pink ROFLcopter [roflcopter.com] was seen speeding across the DPRK-Chinese border late Saturday night. Murmurs of Relex's successful extraction were confirmed finally on Sunday, 12 August by his personal appearance in #GNAA. He refused to comment on any operations at the time, claiming to have been "in Mexico".

His miraculous survival has led many to hypothesize about his invincibility. Some suggest the Holy Gay Nigger Seed may have "life-sustaining" properties, suggestions that the white medical establishment has dismissed. There is an ongoing debate surrounding this idea, with both sides throwing arguments back and forth. Supporters point to GNAA Terrorist Tar_Baby's unverified survival of the OSTG [lunix.com] disaster [www.gnaa.us] , that killed over 300 Indians. The opposing camp points to the recent capture and possible death of GNAA broadcast propagandist l0de [www.gnaa.us] after he made threats to "crash a cruise ship into the Whitehouse". As of this release, the issue is not resolved, and hard evidence is lacking.

The GNAA's North Korea operations are believed to stem from the ongoing Korean/Black [emergency.com] hatred.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Indian
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_indian@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

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the ultimate linux pvr wouild... (1)

glsunder (241984) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271502)

the ultimate linux pvr would:
1. do everything myth appears to do
2. be controllable by a radio (not IR) remote like the ati remote.
3. be able to be controlled and broadcast over the local network to both linux and windows boxes.

If Myth can do those (obviously it can do #1), i'd set one up this weekend. I'd love to be able to have it sit in the corner and use it from any of the other computers on my home network.

Snapstream is a windows solution (1)

greywar (640908) | more than 10 years ago | (#10271526)

I bought Snapstream for $60. Its a pvr for windows-and to be honst it works amazingly well. this whole mythtv just doesnt work for the majority of the world using windows.
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