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Nintendo DS to Launch November 21

Zonk posted about 10 years ago | from the dual-screens-means-more-shines dept.

Portables (Games) 347

mcc writes "PlanetGamecube is reporting the upcoming Nintendo DS handheld has been given a launch date of November 21st and a price of $150 ! It is also being reported that the Nintendo DS will ship with PictoChat (a sort of chat/whiteboard software) and some form of the Metroid Prime Hunters multiplayer FPS bundled in. A fact sheet is also available."

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It's nice to hear.. (0, Flamebait)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | about 10 years ago | (#10309200)

But is it doomed much like Nintendo's previous hardware? PS/2 and XBox are royally kicking Nintendo's ass at the sport that Nintendo once ruled. I, for one, still find the best games ever to be ones that came on the NES and SNES. Final Fantasy series up until 6 (3 in the US), etc. FF aside, Nintendo is still home to some of the best RPGs ever made. Lets hope the DS does the same.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (4, Insightful)

Paladine97 (467512) | about 10 years ago | (#10309223)

Doomed like the Gameboy which DOMINATES the handheld market? I don't see a changing of the guard anytime soon.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309290)

honestly? they ARE the handheld market.

no one else has bothered (besides the crappy ngage)

if someone throws down in that ring, dont expect Nintendo to last

Re:It's nice to hear.. (4, Insightful)

miu (626917) | about 10 years ago | (#10309434)

if someone throws down in that ring, dont expect Nintendo to last

Bullshit. Many people have tried to enter the handheld market (at least 4 large companies have launched handhelds in the US that I can remember).

The reason Nintendo owns the handheld market right now is the same reason they ruled the console market until technology passed them by by a full generation - they are a game company, not a software company, not a video game company, not a consumer electronics company - they make games that hook kids like crack cocaine.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (4, Interesting)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | about 10 years ago | (#10309606)

If someone throws down in that ring, dont expect Nintendo to last.

Oh, other than the crappy Ngage? I guess you mean handhelds like Sega Gamegear, Atari Lynx, Neo Geo Pocket, Turbo Express? They all went up against the original monochrome Gameboy and failed. You'll soon be able to add the Sony PSP to that list.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 10 years ago | (#10309629)

Think again. I didn't see (for example) the Lynx, Game Gear, TurboExpress, WonderSwan, or N-Gage do too much damage to their market share.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (3, Insightful)

MadBiologist (657155) | about 10 years ago | (#10309249)

But, the one place Big N has dominated has been handhelds... Let's see launch price of the PSP, but the DS looks like another home run!

Re:It's nice to hear.. (4, Informative)

exhilaration (587191) | about 10 years ago | (#10309269)

Nintendo dominates the handheld market, and will probably continue to do so [canoe.ca] . And the handheld market is what this article is about.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (5, Insightful)

GFLPraxis (745118) | about 10 years ago | (#10309275)

"But is it doomed much like Nintendo's previous hardware? PS/2 and XBox are royally kicking Nintendo's ass at the sport that Nintendo once ruled." Actually, XBox is losing to Nintendo. The GameCube sold more units and Nintendo raked in more profits than the XBox. But yeah, the PS2 is beating the GameCube and XBox put together. Not only that, but Nintendo still rules the handheld market. The GameBoy Advance SP is utterly unrivaled. And the only competitor to the Nintendo DS- the PSP- costs twice as much ($300), and requires you to buy the same games you might already have on playstation 2 on minidisks. I predict Nintendo will remain in dominance in the handheld market. " I, for one, still find the best games ever to be ones that came on the NES and SNES. Final Fantasy series up until 6 (3 in the US), etc. FF aside, Nintendo is still home to some of the best RPGs ever made. Lets hope the DS does the same." I expect it will. I hope we see a Zelda DS :)

Re:It's nice to hear.. (2, Insightful)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | about 10 years ago | (#10309354)

Indeed. They do rule the handheld market, but look at how well they held the console market in the 80's. Such is my point. I think it's only a matter of time until someone else comes along, and spanks Nintendo with a new handheld product. I didn't know that Gamecube sold more quantities than the xbox. I stand corrected

Re:It's nice to hear.. (5, Insightful)

MustardMan (52102) | about 10 years ago | (#10309577)

As others have pointed out, nintendo is FAR from getting spanked in terms of actual sales in the market, especially in terms of handhelds.

While it might come as shocking, not all video gamers are rabid 20-something zealots who think the kiddie gamecube games aren't manly enough for their elite skills. Even more shocking... VIDEO GAME SYSTEMS TARGETTED AT CHILDREN STILL SELL. There is, in fact, a video game market outside of the "living in mom's basement" niche.

I don't know who are worse, xbox fanboys or playstation fanboys. The gamecube crowd seems to mostly shut up and just enjoy their games. Maybe because the gamecube crowd is mostly children who go to school all day instead of posting to seven hundred online message boards while "looking for a job" in the aforementioned basement.

My point: stop your silly video game prick waving. All three systems have good and bad games. All three systems aren't going anywhere. And all three systems are going to continue make a shitload more money than you're ever going to see.

clueless (2, Interesting)

muyuubyou (621373) | about 10 years ago | (#10309317)

You mean like Gameboy Advanve and it's 90-something % share in the portable market?

Re:It's nice to hear.. (5, Informative)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 10 years ago | (#10309370)

PS/2 and XBox are royally kicking Nintendo's ass at the sport that Nintendo once ruled.

If I had a nickel for every time i've heard this...Look up the sales figures.

The PS2 is slaughtering the other two, but in the US, figures put the GC and XBox running either neck-and-neck in 2nd place or with the GC slightly ahead. And that's to say nothing of Japan, where the GC is beating the XBox by something like 20:1 in total sales atm.

This is also to say nothing of (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309463)

Profits. Nintendo is making boatloads of money with the Gamecube and the. Sony's making money, but their margins aren't so good. Microsoft, meanwhile, is consistently losing about a two hundred and fifty million dollars a quarter on the XBox venture.

Who's "winning"? Probably Sony, all things considered. But Nintendo's certainly not "losing".

Re:It's nice to hear.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309399)

Which is too bad, because it actually looks pretty cool, technologicallly speaking. HowStuffWorks put up a new article [howstuffworks.com] last week that runs through the specs in detail. Innovative stuff.

Re:It's nice to hear.. (3, Interesting)

slashrogue (775436) | about 10 years ago | (#10309409)

Maybe... a lot of those games are available elsewhere now, however. FF Anthology & FF Chronicles available on the PS (and hence on the PS2 as well) give us access to FFIV, FFV, FFVI and Chrono Trigger. I also don't know how doomed its previous hardware is... the GBA is the dominating force of the handheld market. I guess we'll have to wait and see how Sony's PSP does, which I'm personally rooting for.

Of course I remember when the PlayStation was first announced and thinking to myself, "Sony? Sony doesn't make video games who are they trying to kid?"

DS will beat PSP (3, Funny)

NickFusion (456530) | about 10 years ago | (#10309443)

in the game market, because the PSP, with it's higher price-point, and moving parts is not really something you're going to want to buy for a kid. The PSP is a portable home-entertainment-center for the idle-rich geek, and that's where it will find it's audience.

Nitendo knows kids, and knows kids games. I expect the DS will clean up there.

Disclaimer: I work for a DS developer...};^)

Yeah.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309205)

Woot !!!!!!! (btw, filter sucks)

Re:Yeah.... (0, Offtopic)

MadBiologist (657155) | about 10 years ago | (#10309286)

I agree... the filters arond here are kinda lame, which one tagged you with something?

you go, gay! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309210)

hi gay po!

Awesome... (1)

GFLPraxis (745118) | about 10 years ago | (#10309213)

...looks like a $25 price drop. And its good PictoChat is bundled- it looks like it'd be a tad fun to fiddle with, but not worth any money, so no one would buy it if it wasn't.

One question:
Didn't they already have a ship date? GameStop has been giving out reservations for the DS for a month.

Re:Awesome... (1)

Ayaress (662020) | about 10 years ago | (#10309395)

Personally, the best thing I see here is that this might mean another drop in price on the GBA SP, which would be nice, since mine was recently damaged in a still-can't-beat-the-fucking-boss-related accident.

Re:Awesome... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309527)

No Ship date.
Gamestop has been taking reserves since the thing was formally announced.
We don't have a ship date, or a price, but we can take a reserve for $25 down.

Any reliable battery life figures? (2, Insightful)

strictfoo (805322) | about 10 years ago | (#10309214)

Anyone seen any reliable battery life figures for one of these?

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (4, Informative)

Gr33nNight (679837) | about 10 years ago | (#10309297)

Yeah, they said 6-10 hours. Takes an hour longer to charge than the GBA, but still kicks ass.

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309302)

According to the fact sheet:

"Battery: Lithium ion battery delivering six to 10 hours of play on a four-hour charge, depending on use; power-saving sleep mode; AC adapter"

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (0, Flamebait)

strictfoo (805322) | about 10 years ago | (#10309348)

Reliable = not coming from Nintendo

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (1)

Cosmos_7 (128549) | about 10 years ago | (#10309329)

From the fact sheet [planetgamecube.com] :

Battery: Lithium ion battery delivering six to 10 hours of play on a four-hour charge, depending on use; power-saving sleep mode; AC adapter

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (1)

avageek (537035) | about 10 years ago | (#10309330)

can't link you to a spec sheet from work, but I read this morning that 6-10 hrs is the expected battery life.

Re:Any reliable battery life figures? (3, Informative)

ForestStryfe (807058) | about 10 years ago | (#10309401)

The battery life is estimated to be about 10 hours. (I looked on a few forums and they were consistently saying 10.) My GBA SP has exceeded my expectations in terms of holding a charge, so I hope that the DS will do the same.

Le *sigh* (5, Interesting)

Control Group (105494) | about 10 years ago | (#10309216)

Dammit, where was this stuff when I was a kid? All I had for hand-held gaming was "Castlevania," which had a monochrome LCD screen that could display Our Hero in three different positions, four different enemies in two positions each, and a series of flagstones for me to "walk" on.

Nowadays, these things are fantastically cool, and I love them, but man, do I not need another video game platform. Now I drive myself places. My only video game time is at home, where I've got a 65" TV, a PC, and six different consoles. I want a GBA, I'm sure I'll want the DS, but I know I'd never play them.

It's really kind of depressing.

Re:Le *sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309310)

Damn kids, All we had was a football game with an led display and we felt lucky to have that.

1 PC here... (1)

youknowmewell (754551) | about 10 years ago | (#10309369)

My sympathy goes out to you.

Re:Le *sigh* (3, Funny)

Achoi77 (669484) | about 10 years ago | (#10309406)

Speak for yourself. :-)

I'm getting one

The kids will get one too

Here's to wireless multiplayer gaming with your kids. And you call yourself a geek?? For shame!! Where are your roots?

Re:Le *sigh* (3, Interesting)

Control Group (105494) | about 10 years ago | (#10309582)

I suppose if I had kids, it might be different. That sounds like a good time...as it stands, though, I already have more unfinished video games than I can shake a stick at (Metroid: Prime, XIII, Hitman 2, Mario Sunshine, Tron 2.0, Ikaruga...probably more that I'm forgetting). I wouldn't have finished Wind Waker if I hadn't had three friends over for a weekend to race.

Not to mention Doom III and HL2 (if it ever comes out).

I never knew in college how good I had it, with time to finish games as they came out, instead of continually falling further and further behind...

...you're probably right. Where's the registrar? I need to turn in my geek card. ;)

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | about 10 years ago | (#10309433)

You must be young. My first handheld was actually a tabletop game - Pac Man, and then later on, I got Zaxxon. All led driven stuff...

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

Control Group (105494) | about 10 years ago | (#10309510)

*blush*

I am young, but I did have a couple LED-driven tabletop (is that the word? Mini-cabinets?) games. I forget what they were called...joystick on the left, one button on the right...one was a top-down shooter. Little space ship, shooting little lasers at oncoming little space ships...ah, those were the days. I forgot how much I loved those games.

I didn't count them as "handhelds," though, since they had wall warts. Or something like four C cells, IIRC.

Just one console here (0, Offtopic)

MustardMan (52102) | about 10 years ago | (#10309454)

An xbox, software modded, running about a dozen emulators. There's something very rewarding about playing Asteroids or Burger Time with a groovy modern controller.

UDE is your friend =)

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

adler187 (448837) | about 10 years ago | (#10309494)

Get a Gamecube (if you don't already) and a Gameboy Player. It will only cost you around $150USD and you can play pretty much any GC, GB, GBC, and GBA game out there. Also you might want to try importing the SNES [lik-sang.com] style GC controller which was designed for the player.

Dude, Tiger handheld games OWNED!!! (2, Funny)

Jakhel (808204) | about 10 years ago | (#10309536)

I remember they ran on like 2 AA batters, and only had about 10 levels per game. Those were the good old days. Forget all of that back lighting crap and swappable game cartridges. If you wanted to play a different game, fine..but you had to go buy a completely different handheld that only stored 1 game on it. There were no saves, you either beat the game or you start over.

I had sooooo many of those things, ninja gaiden 1 and 2, teenage mutant ninja turtles 1, 2 and 3, baseball, football, some sort of racing, excite bike.

Ahh, the memories.
I don't really envy todays kids anyways..at least WE had Saturday morning cartoons (the only thing better than saturday morning cartoons are Christmas and dodgeball..assuming you weren't one of the fat kids).

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

barawn (25691) | about 10 years ago | (#10309562)

Now I drive myself places.

You never fly? Flying is when I use my GBA the most. God, it's wonderful for passing time in airports. They even market it to people in airports, so I imagine I'm not the only one...

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

Control Group (105494) | about 10 years ago | (#10309626)

Actually, I don't. I don't really take trips of any kind (every time I've got the money to spend on travelling somewhere, I convince myself it would be better spent on PC hardware. This is a very similar reason to why I don't have a laptop).

If I did more travelling, I might have a use for it. But as it stands, I haven't been anywhere I haven't driven to in...oh, my...ten years?

Re:Le *sigh* (1)

Matey-O (518004) | about 10 years ago | (#10309592)

It's really kind of depressing.


About as depressing as walking into Consumer Electronics 'R' Us and realizing you already have one of everything they sell. (DVD player? check. Desktop computer? Check. Laptop? Check. Mp3 player? check. Gonzo huge T.V. check. Stereo with dozen speakers? check. Game console? check.)

It's so bad I actually spend time shopping in the APPLIANCES section! (Marg blender? Check. Rug Shampooer? check. CPU controlled toaster? check. Programmable dishwasher? check.)

{sob}

Games?! (-1)

Pi_0's don't shower (741216) | about 10 years ago | (#10309217)

Unlike the GBA, the nintendo DS doesn't allow you to play your favorite nintendo games from other consoles... no NES, no Super NES, no N64, no Gamecube compatibility.

Will this hurt nintendo?

Re:Games?! (2, Informative)

strictfoo (805322) | about 10 years ago | (#10309274)

Unlike the GBA, the nintendo DS doesn't allow you to play your favorite nintendo games from other consoles... no NES, no Super NES, no N64

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen the N64 -> GBA ports.

There's no reason they can't release NES or Super NES games for the DS, and I'm assuming they most likely will considering the huge profits they make on them.

Re:Games?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309550)

The DS plays all the games the GBA does, which includes the NES and SNES ports.

Re:Games?! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309278)

What? That's not unlike the GBA at all. The GBA does not allow you to play any games from any other consoles except the earlier Gameboys. If you're thinking of the NES and SNES games you can buy for the GBA, those run natively - there's nothing to preclude the same sort of porting to the DS.

Re:Games?! (1)

thewldisntenuff (778302) | about 10 years ago | (#10309281)

No, probably not.....Nintendo can re-release them in a "retro" gaming pack-

Thus, it will not hurt them, but rather, pay off as people buy the gaming pack

Or you could be a l33t hax0r and boot an emulator onto the DS :)

-thewldisntenuff

Re:Games?! (2, Insightful)

orangenormal (728999) | about 10 years ago | (#10309288)

What are you talking about? One of the demos at E3 was Super Mario 64 (with multiplayer abilities added, no less). Due to the success of the NES Classic Series, we're bound to see a lot of SNES ports on the DS as well, due to it's increased capabilities.

Re:Games?! (1)

Paladine97 (467512) | about 10 years ago | (#10309294)

Wait until the homebrew scene gets a hold of it. In a short time you'll see NES/SNES emulators on it in addition to other emulators of the 16-bit era.

The system might get some N64 ports but it won't be powerful enough to emulate them directly (maybe some dynamic recompilation would do the trick however).

Re:Games?! (5, Informative)

tuffy (10202) | about 10 years ago | (#10309300)

Unlike the GBA, the nintendo DS doesn't allow you to play your favorite nintendo games from other consoles... no NES, no Super NES, no N64, no Gamecube compatibility.

The GBA never had NES, SNES, N64 or Gamecube compatibility. But the GBA did have GB/GBC compatibility, and the DS will have GBA compatibility (at least). That built-in library, along with low cost and good battery life give Nintendo the same huge edge they enjoyed when the GBA first came out.

Re:Games?! (1)

sp1kez0r (735648) | about 10 years ago | (#10309358)

the GBA doesn't allow you to play your favorite nintendo games from other consoles either... just the ones that have been ported... and who's to say they won't port snes or n64 games to DS...

Re:Games?! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309418)

"the GBA doesn't allow you to play your favorite nintendo games from other consoles either"

Sure, with a big enough flash cart.

Re:Games?! (2, Informative)

diamondsw (685967) | about 10 years ago | (#10309440)

Well, they've already stated that Mario 64 will be ported, and from this article on the launch (lot more responsive than Smoking-Hulk-Of-PlanetGameCube), looks like GBA games will be compatible (although that goes against everything else I've read).

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/21/news_61079 96.html [gamespot.com]

Chat... but what about phone? (2, Interesting)

192939495969798999 (58312) | about 10 years ago | (#10309221)

If it supports a chat/whiteboard/etc. type app, will it eventually have a cellphone cartridge? That would be just sweet! MMORPG's with a phone, that's really a gameboy... much better than the ol' green screen tetris.

Re:Chat... but what about phone? (1)

ShadowFlair (690961) | about 10 years ago | (#10309365)

Interesting you should say that. MMORPGs on phones [google.com] has been a huge hit in Japan. For example, my favourite game, Tengai Makyou [tengai.jp] (aka Far East of Eden) has been re-released on the GameCube and PS2, almost at the same time they did a FOMA version of Tengai Mobile [tengai.jp] .

Re:Chat... but what about phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309609)

Blasphemy! NOTHING is better than the old green screen Tetris. Tetris is one of the best games of all time, and that was the best version of Tetris ever. Period.

Re:Chat... but what about phone? (1)

mcc (14761) | about 10 years ago | (#10309616)

There were rumors to that effect [slashdot.org] , sort of.

Re:Chat... but what about phone? (2, Interesting)

mrgreen4242 (759594) | about 10 years ago | (#10309621)

I suspect that we will see a NDS MMORPG of some sort next year, around xmas time. However, I suspect it will be something a little different, and will use the 802.11 connectivity only, and not any sort of cell phone connection.

Also, I suspect that there will be some sort of system where you can 'instance' zones and play them solo while offline, or in groups of up to 8-16 players who are on an ad-hoc local wireless network of DS's.

When you connect to the 'real' servers you will be able to engage in trading, pk'ing, etc, as well as access 'special' zones where good eq spawns, etc. Also, you'll have to be connected to the system to get some sort of 'mission queue' going, which will be the zones you are allowed to spawn while offline, and invite friends to come with you, if they are within the 30-100 ft range of your DS.

Now, I haven't seen or heard anything that is at all like this, it just seems like it would be the natural game design for a portable system with built in wireless connetivity. The DS, with its extra touch screen for inventory, stats, menus, chat system, etc, and also a built in microphone (and headset jack) for voice communication seems like the ideal platform for what could be a MMORG genre defining game.

On a related note, I would't be suprised if Nintendo or at least some other 3rd party starts selling a 802.11b USB adaptor with some sort of gateway software that sets your home (Windoze) PC up as an AP, allowing you to play all the internet enabled games while puttering around your house. Seems like an easy money maker, to me.

Dual Screens, Dual CPUs (4, Funny)

YetAnotherName (168064) | about 10 years ago | (#10309235)

And one screen is touch-sensitive; that could certainly lead to some novel applications--er, I meant games, of course ... :-)

I wonder if you can run Linux on it? It sports an ARM9 and an ARM7 ... built-in WiFi ... tempting ...

is it that time of year already (1)

unit01 (583255) | about 10 years ago | (#10309238)

All the games consoles getting prepared for christmas me thinks

Damnit.... (2, Interesting)

JoeLinux (20366) | about 10 years ago | (#10309250)

Now I have to re-buy it. Curse them for improving it!

Who here wants to make a betting pool for how long until linux is hacked onto it?

Re:Damnit.... (3, Funny)

Cutriss (262920) | about 10 years ago | (#10309498)

Since it also runs GBA software...How does "now" work for you?

Re:Damnit.... (1)

theguywhosaid (751709) | about 10 years ago | (#10309543)

Who here wants to make a betting pool for how long until linux is hacked onto it?

what do you mean exactly? a corrupting of the ftp mirrors? a major virus? a worm that shuts down the net? i think the how question should get a pool too.

P.S. sorry you have to re-buy the junk

/.ed (1)

ptlis (772434) | about 10 years ago | (#10309257)

Damn, the link's dead before the first comment. Are there any mirrors/did somebody sort out a Coral Cache of it?

DS (-1, Offtopic)

Mateito (746185) | about 10 years ago | (#10309261)

This may be off topic..

but ever since I saw "Meatballs", "Porkies" and the rest of the teen-camp-skinflick genre played on late night TV during the 80s, DS are two initials that should not be used for any product.

Yes, I know about "DSL" (ADSL, SDSL etc).. which may be one reason I opted for a T1.

Call me immature, but there are links that were forged in my mind.

It looks great! (2)

Zangief (461457) | about 10 years ago | (#10309268)

The price is the right one, and the bunmdle is perfect!

Nintendo has played his cards very well this time.

It's so sad. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309271)


We live in a world in which 30,000 people die of starvation every day. War is rampant, oil dictates world policy and a $150 piece of entertainment is considered newsworthy. It's not too late to turn your life over to God and Jesus Christ. Only then will you know true happiness as you help the poor and hungry as a missionary.

God be with you, praise Jesus.

Darl McBride

Re:It's so sad. (2, Informative)

suicidedoll (754455) | about 10 years ago | (#10309393)

It IS in the Games news.

Double D love... and the DS (0, Redundant)

Omroth (673505) | about 10 years ago | (#10309296)

Yes! GO DS!!

Wireless Chat with Others (5, Insightful)

Enigma_Man (756516) | about 10 years ago | (#10309306)

That are from 30 to 100 feet away! Save the energy of actually looking at people, or raising your voice slightly.

Is there some aspect of the chat feature that I'm missing or not understanding? If you're playing a game with someone within 100 feet maximum, shouldn't you be able to see and/or holler (holla for all you kids) at them?

-Jesse

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (5, Funny)

slashrogue (775436) | about 10 years ago | (#10309356)

Not if you're in class and trying to stay out of trouble. ;)

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (4, Informative)

Gr33nNight (679837) | about 10 years ago | (#10309373)

I think they mean, you have to be 30-100 feet to a WAP. At least that would make more sense. The protocol is based on 802.11, and Nintendo did mention that the DS would be compatable with Wireless Access Points.

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309376)

Truly useful for the truly lazy. For example, I used to have to get out of bed and walk into the next room to play nintendo with my apartment-mates. Such pains will inconvenience me no longer!

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309402)

"Is there some aspect of the chat feature that I'm missing or not understanding? If you're playing a game with someone within 100 feet maximum, shouldn't you be able to see and/or holler (holla for all you kids) at them?" On a bus, whether school/charter/city/whatever. Planes if they ever stop their stupid rules about transmissions. Not to mention yelling 100 feet isn't very fun

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (0, Offtopic)

Thrakkerzog (7580) | about 10 years ago | (#10309408)

You don't ride trains. I'm not sure if they would be allowed on airplanes... but there are places where it is inappropriate to "holla".

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (1)

chrysrobyn (106763) | about 10 years ago | (#10309441)

If you're playing a game with someone within 100 feet maximum, shouldn't you be able to see and/or holler (holla for all you kids) at them?

What if the parents are trying to watch the TV in the same room? In a long plane / car ride? Several college students in a lecture hall? The deaf get to play these games cooperatively too!

There are many instances when short distance text chat would be useful to me. Being in noisy or quiet situations are an example. Your comment seems to imply that every DS gathering will be LAN-party-esque. Surely, yelling at teammates and competitors is fun, but not every game-playing environment is conducive to that.

Uses for 100 ft wireless (1)

rayde (738949) | about 10 years ago | (#10309548)

Yeah I can see a lot of instances where this would be appropriate. Say, an office of cubicles over lunch break, a school bus full of students who are going on a field trip... and the point another poster made that being within range of an access point means that the distance is irrelevant.

i like it.

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (1)

JoshMKiV (548790) | about 10 years ago | (#10309449)

Probably for cheating in class...

Re:Wireless Chat with Others (1)

mandos (8379) | about 10 years ago | (#10309456)

During class, at work, etc.

A cool idea (3, Interesting)

iamdrscience (541136) | about 10 years ago | (#10309321)

I think nintendo should make a cartridge with emulations of a couple of those old multi screen game 'n' watch games they had. If you don't know what I'm talking about, here's an example [gameandwatch.com] . You can see others on Gameandwatch.com [gameandwatch.com] , just click on "multiscreen" on the menu.

Hell, if they don't do it, I might just have to waste my time programming it myself once somebody gets together a free dev-kit for the DS.

Well ain't that handy (1)

yipyow (317154) | about 10 years ago | (#10309324)

Looks like I'll be getting one of these for my five-year-old after all. I had was going to get him an Advance SP because I figured these new ones would be way over my price range...but $150 isn't too bad! Now to wait for the reviews...

yeah yeah... (3, Funny)

muyuubyou (621373) | about 10 years ago | (#10309469)

...for your 5-yeat-old right?

I shit a piece of pie! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309347)

Flaky crust, juicy filling?

Big, round blueberries!

Are handhelds that popular? (0, Offtopic)

harumscarum (675595) | about 10 years ago | (#10309371)

I am extremely out of touch with reality and trends so I just don't know. Is there really that much demand/profit in this area?

Butt Ugly (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309389)

I didn't buy a GBA because it would just be too embarrassing to be seen playing games on it in public. The GBA-SP dramatically improved on the cool factor, this thing looked like it was born into the right decade.

Now the DS makes me think - oh look, a retro toy from the 80's. I know it'll have power and games and wifi and chat and probably a SETI client before long that can outperform my home machine, but it's waaaaay ugly and clunky for my likes.

Apple, please create a GBA clone.

Re:Butt Ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309638)

Did you see the updated body style? It doesn't look like a game and watch toy from the 80's any more... Thank $DIETY.

IGN has a couple pictures [ign.com]

The Price is Right Bob! (1)

Sergeant Beavis (558225) | about 10 years ago | (#10309403)

$150 US!

Yea, I'm definitly buying one. I guess my nephew will enjoy the GBA he will be getting from me.

This looks like a home run on Nintindo's part.

just in time for xmas shopping... (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | about 10 years ago | (#10309432)

wow, nice timing, and for what it can do, nice price I think. This should be a winner, regardless, but with the new games and screen config, it really 'raises the bar' as those marketing types like to say. since GB has pretty much taken all of the handheld console market, DS will only build on that I suspect. when will they add a built in cell phone to it? That's when I'll be ponying up for one for sure!

CB*($#

Nintendo has Good Games (5, Interesting)

ShadowFlair (690961) | about 10 years ago | (#10309481)

My largest rant about games nowadays is that companies seem to spend so much time/money on graphics the contents is, well, lacking. This seems to be slowly changing of late. But, heh, I always get suckered into buying Nintendo stuff because I am a huge fan of the few genres that they have come up with. Zelda and Metroid, even with good graphics, still maintain good game content, and I still buy one after another.

Article Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309484)

News Article: Nintendo DS Launch Details

News Date: 09/21/2004
Source: Nintendo of America
Link: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/index.html

Discuss it in TalkBack! [32 Comments.]

$149.99, 11/21/2004, PictoChat! We've got the official release date and price for the Nintendo DS in North America and Japan. UPDATE: Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt included.

Jump to Japanese launch information!

UPDATE: Nintendo has also revealed that Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt is being bundled with the DS. First Hunt is a four-player demo, designed to show off the system's wireless multiplayer function. There is no single-player mode in the demo, but it is expected in the full version of Metroid Prime Hunters which will be released at a later date.

NINTENDO DS LAUNCHES ON NOV. 21 IN NORTH AMERICA - AT $149.99!

New System Comes with Embedded PictoChat Feature, Strong Publishers' Support

REDMOND, Wash., Sept. 20, 2004 - From the very start, Nintendo DS? broke the existing rules of video game play. Two screens, not one. Wireless connection for game play and personal communication for the sheer entertainment of it. Flexible game control by voice and touch, not just with buttons. Nintendo's newest innovation, Nintendo DS, will make its worldwide debut in North American stores on Nov. 21, and then in Japan on Dec. 2. It will sell at an MSRP of $149.99, making it an immediate mass-market attraction. Nintendo DS will become the company's first system ever to make its sales debut outside of Japan.

"Nintendo's mission remains unchanged: expand the game experience," says Satoru Iwata, president of Nintendo Co., Ltd. "Nintendo DS is the road map to the future of video games, and most clearly demonstrates the type of innovation that players demand."

Nintendo DS is the dual-screened, hand-held video game system redefining the idea of interactive entertainment. One screen allows for touch input using a stylus, while the unit includes both voice recognition and multiplayer wireless features. The sleek silver-and-black system sports a sharp, angular design.

Consumers immediately will be able to pick up and play the new system, as it comes with a free software feature, PictoChat, embedded in the system hardware. PictoChat allows DS owners to write messages with an on-screen keyboard or the stylus and send them wirelessly to other DS users nearby. Users can text chat, draw artistic messages or share secrets, all without saying a word. And a Nintendo DS in sleep mode will spring to life if it senses another DS in transmitting range, alerting users to each other's presence and setting the stage for an impromptu conversation or game session.

More than 100 companies have signed on to create games for Nintendo DS, while Nintendo itself is already developing its first 20 titles. Electronic Arts, the world's largest independent software developer and publisher, already has announced that its powerhouse franchises of Madden NFL, The URBZ: Sims in the City, Need for Speed Underground, Tiger Woods and GoldenEye will support Nintendo DS.

"Each time Nintendo creates a hand-held, it introduces new elements of play and sets a new standard for mobile gaming," says Larry Probst, EA's chairman and CEO. "The DS is no exception - Nintendo has another big winner with the DS."

The complete lineup of games planned for the launch of Nintendo DS will be announced in the near future. In effect, Nintendo DS already boasts a library of more than 550 games because it is compatible with single-player modes of games made for the world's best-selling video game system, Game Boy® Advance SP.

Nintendo chose the United States to lead the worldwide launch of Nintendo DS because of overwhelmingly positive and enthusiastic reaction from consumers and to take advantage of the holiday sales season. After the subsequent launch in Japan, the system will be available in Europe and Australia in the first quarter of 2005.

Nintendo DS has a flip-top cover that protects both screens. Two speakers on the unit's face let users hear virtual surround sound, while its dual screens open games to a multitude of possibilities. Nintendo DS sits 148.7 millimeters (5.85 inches) wide, 84.7 millimeters (3.33 inches) long and 28.9 millimeters (1.13 inches) tall with the cover closed. The new media format for games means that Nintendo DS has no moving parts that could be misaligned if the unit is dropped or jarred.

According to NCL's official website, the Nintendo DS will launch in Japan on December 2nd for 15,000 yen, or about $136 US dollars.

Keep checking PGC for all the latest details! As always, we're staying up all night to bring you this information as quickly as possible.

Been On Sell For A While Now (0)

pwthoma (187561) | about 10 years ago | (#10309485)

This has been on Wal-Mart.com for about 2 weeks now

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?produ ct _id=2432473

Re:Been On Sell For A While Now (1)

pwthoma (187561) | about 10 years ago | (#10309530)

URL Fixed

Been on sell for a while now at Wal-Mart.com [walmart.com]

No, not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10309551)

That's just a preorder page. The price and date on that page were not accurate-- just wild guessing on the part of Wal-Mart. In fact the price and date on that page are STILL not accurate.

In addition to wal-mart, ebgames and gamestop have had inaccurate preorder pages available for some time as well.

great! (2, Funny)

muyuubyou (621373) | about 10 years ago | (#10309567)

You can preorder it now for 50$ more, and having to wait 9 days more to actually have it! sign me up!

Another link (-1, Offtopic)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10309487)

Reuters [reuters.com] also ran the story.

My submission earlier:

Nintendo DS Price and Release Date Finalized Tuesday September 21, @07:48AM Rejected

Released first in the US (4, Interesting)

AmishMoshr (774633) | about 10 years ago | (#10309600)

It seems rather odd to me that something by Nintendo would be released in the US first. Is this normal for their handheld systems?

the inevitable colors? (1)

rayde (738949) | about 10 years ago | (#10309660)

i haven't noticed any mention of the DS being launched with different colors besides the platinum we've seen in all the demos. Has anyone seen details on what different colors, if any, Nintendo will launch with? A choice in color has been a popular feature of nintendo's handhelds since the Gameboy color, so I'd be surprised to see it missing from this system. The color choice must be a consideration when preordering, right? i'd hate to preorder, expecting a nice Platinum DS and find when I get there that all that's left is Pink or something like that...
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