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IT (And Other) Salaries On The Rise In The U.S.

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the drop-hints-to-boss-man dept.

The Almighty Buck 780

pertinax18 writes "CNN Money is reporting that salaries for most college grads are on the rise once again. Especially interesting to collegiate (and other) /. readers may be the 4.1% increase in pay for CS grads, and 10.7% increases in pay for others in the field. From the article: 'If those numbers sound enticing, it's probably because computer science graduates are long overdue for a pay increase. "They haven't seen an increase since 2001 and this is the first year, in all four reports, that they showed an increase," Koncz says.' Are things finally starting to look up for us?"

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Good news for all, not just American IT workers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320591)


Singh: Hey boss, look, IT salaries are on the rise in the US. May I have a raise?

PHB: Sure. You now make 8 rupee a month!

Singh: Yay! Now I can buy that extra layer of straw for my roof!

Re:Good news for all, not just American IT workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320679)

Do you see this, people? This motivated young man with a registered copy of Dreamweaver is the future of our enterprise. He is a troll that you can all aspire to. Please think of him any time you are about to fuck up and do something worthless.

Re:Good news for all, not just American IT workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320763)

Why do you think the troll has Dreamweaver?

Re:Good news for all, not just American IT workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320716)

Yay! I was just told yesterday that IBM is outsourcing my job and the jobs of everyone in my building to India by the end of the year. This is great!

VERY DISAPPOINTED (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320593)

I am very very disappointed with the performance of the trolls here at Slashdot these past two weeks. Around here we operate on GOALS and EXPECTATIONS and quite frankly, some of you (you know who you are) just aren't meeting them.

Look folks, it's really quite simple and I'm going to spell it out for you one more time and then hopefully we'll then be able to go about our day productively and without the need for more intervention:

A) More GNAA. I can't stress enough how important GNAA trolls are the to future success and robust presence of Slashdot in the negro homosexual market. I expect each and every one of you to give 110% or I will personally drop by your cube and rape you with a kumquat. Heh, kumquat. It's a fruit with a funny name, and you fruits better get with the program or it's going up your asses.

B) Natalie Portman references. She is a hot little filly. Did you know that she was born with a six digit? Neither did I, but it's going to feel like I've got six on my fist when I ram it up your backside if we don't see an improvement, pronto.

C) Absolutely anything to lighten the goddamn monotony around here. Seriously folks, if you're going to induce me and seduce me into clicking onto a comment link that says "**TROLL HERE**" in the hopes of perhaps having a little chuckle, then please don't waste my time with the same old weak shit we've been seeing around here lately. It's pathetic to the point of embarassment and frankly it's not anything that you'd like for your mothers to see, am I right?? As an aside, I have a list of all your mothers sitting on my desk in front of me and am prepared to start going down it one by one, using directory assistance if need be.

How to spend the extra money... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320594)

Maybe now that the IT industry is getting better compensated, /. will reflect the growing monetary power of IT professionals by changing the theme colours;-)

Hi Everyone (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320595)

THat's all.

Bush's Fault (4, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320597)

Why is it Bush's fault when salaries go down, but a magical coincidence when they go up?

Re:Bush's Fault (1)

killua (604159) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320637)

Everything bad is always the presidents fault! Even the stuff he has nothing to do with!

Re:Bush's Fault (4, Interesting)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320790)

So why was the economy under Clinton such a praiseworthy thing, but at the same levels under Bush it's something to vote against him for?

Re:Bush's Fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320658)

Why is this a troll? I think it's a valid question.

Re:Bush's Fault (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320659)


Why is it Bush's fault when salaries go down, but a magical coincidence when they go up?

The article says they are long overdue, so they're going up in spite of Bush.

Re:Bush's Fault (3, Insightful)

Forge (2456) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320670)

It's the fault of the guy with the hose when your house gets wet. When he runs out of water and your house dries out again is that his fault too?

Re:Bush's Fault (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320685)

The reason that IT salaries went down, along with most of the rest of the economy, is that Bush et al were in constant fear mongering mode (remember the recommendation to buy duct-tape and visqueen?). That has yet to change, but finally the public is realizing that all this terror alert crap really is just that. Hence it is improving in spite of the current regime's policies, not because of them.

I see your -1 Troll and raise you a -1 Flamebait!

Re:Bush's Fault (4, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320719)

So you're saying that things were not on the decline until spring, 2001? Seems to me that 2000 wasn't all that hot, either. Explain how you blame that on Bush.

Re:Bush's Fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320801)

yeah.. all this terror alert business is definately crap. i mean we've been safe all this time. nothing has happened. we haven't been hit since 9/11!
yeah, the terrorsists just gave up OR the policies that Bush has put into place have kept us safe and subsequently let you rant about "fear mongering" and stuff. wake up.

Re:Bush's Fault (2, Insightful)

spoonyfork (23307) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320704)

Why is it Bush's fault when salaries go down, but a magical coincidence when they go up?

Obviously Bush is to blame for causing the problem resulting in salaries going down and someone else is to be lauded for fixing the problem and making them go up.

Re:Bush's Fault (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320759)

Ok mister know-it-all... we get a 10% increase... yet cost of living has increased 15% during that time period.

we get a 5% decrease! YAY!

I flip a big middle finger to all company owners for being fucking assholes and not giving raises that at least pace with cost of living.

Re:Bush's Fault (2, Insightful)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320785)

If they really went up, it would be great. However, if they can't keep pace with inflation, then the slight increases we see can just be considered cost-of-living catch-up.

Re:Bush's Fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320795)

Bad = Bush
Good = some other reason

Troll? nice modding

It's a valid question, liberal asshat.

Then again, idiots like yourself are the ones that have been posting the negative whining all along...

What a Crock (5, Informative)

HackHackBoom (198866) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320598)

Show me places in the industry or people who have received raises. Not to sound bitter, but I know not a single person in my circle of friends and business associates who've said they're getting raises.

It's more about cuts and firings lately :(

Re:What a Crock (0, Troll)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320640)

but I know not a single person in my circle of friends and business associates who've said they're getting raises

Pffftttt. Neighbor's kids in the basement don't count as circle of friends and business associates. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

Re:What a Crock (1)

underpar (792569) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320652)

Yep, my brother has had a -5k pay raise since he graduated this year. A negative pay increase still counts, right?

Simpson't quote: "Zero's a percent"

Re:What a Crock (2, Interesting)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320680)

Well, a bit of good and bad at my work. They just laid off 30 (non-IT) people, but gave promotions to a handful of other (IT) people.

So this may not be complete lies.

Re:What a Crock (2, Informative)

Worminater (600129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320683)

if you would rtfa, you would know it was mainly among newly entering college grads, nowhere did they mention raises.

Re:What a Crock (3, Insightful)

JaffaKREE (766802) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320723)

Right, because salaries of recently graduated IT people have nothing to do with salaries of veteran IT people.

Re:What a Crock (1)

JaffaKREE (766802) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320687)

This is an excellent point. It seems the only way to get more money is to change jobs. In the last 3 years in IT, I don't think a single employee I've worked with actually got an increase in salary in the same position (across 2 companies). Often "poor financial performance" is blamed for the lack of funds for raises.

Re:What a Crock (2, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320693)

Show me places in the industry or people who have received raises. Not to sound bitter, but I know not a single person in my circle of friends and business associates who've said they're getting raises.

Agreed. Many of my friends are still looking at standing pat, in jobs that pay a heck of a lot less than they used to get with their BSCS.

I'm so cynical I have a tendency to view this as something originating with a wink and a nudge from a political party or supporting organization.

When are the next Job numbers due out? If job growth is still sluggish it doesn't strike me as the sort of thing to put upward pressure on wages as employers compete for talent.

Re:What a Crock (1)

Jackson_Ash (571413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320698)

I really think this applies when you obtain a new job. For the most part, companies pay employees as little as they think they can get away with, and as long as you stay where you are, they are getting away with it.

Gone are the days of massive pay increases. To obtain a larger salary, you need to start somewhere else where your starting (read entry/lowest) salary was the highest salary you could obtain at your previous employers.

Fair or not, the onus is on you the employee to speak up for yourself when it comes to compensation. Dreaming that your company will give you a raise just because you deserve it (or at least feel like you do) is just that.

JA

Re:What a Crock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320705)

Hard to make a circle out of 3!

Re:What a Crock (1)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320712)

I'm hoping that my performance this year, along with the increasing outlook for the job market (read: possibilities to go elsewhere) will allow my boss to give me a raise to a salary a little more suited to the type of crap and the load of work I have to put up with on a day to day basis.

At first it was "I'm just happy to have a job," but now it's more like "Is there something elsewhere? I'm definately getting the shaft."

Re:What a Crock (1, Interesting)

idesofmarch (730937) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320738)

That does sound bitter. This is America, and your income is what you make it. Job sucks? Go work for yourself - IT is a field where you can do that. No clients? Slick up the hair and hit the streets. Don't be a passive, woe-is-me, no-one-is-giving-me-a-raise, helpless ninny.

Oh great... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320600)

Now President Bush is submitting stories to Slashdot!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320601)

first post!

How come I aint not get no raise? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320602)

Im went to ITT school for HTML intraweb programming and Im stil only get 5.45 per hour?!?

one omission (5, Insightful)

rritterson (588983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320607)

The numbers look great on a cursory glance, but they are missing one thing important: They don't list what percentage of graduates were able to find a job within x months of graduation.

So sure, maybe the ones that were hired are making more, but if they are only hiring a small percentage of grads, you'd expect them to make more, wouldn't you? (As they would be more qualified than the average grad)

Re:one omission (5, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320635)

Don't forget about inflation. Even if you find a job that pays 4.1% more than it would have a year go, you're still taking a hit if inflation is over 4.1%.

Re:one omission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320721)

geez, you people must have a PessimisticStick (tm) up your ass...

Yes, but....
Yes, but....
Yes, in my butt....

Afraid this might boost Bush's contention the economy has been improving all along?

Get over it, assholes! A good economy is NEITHER REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT! It's good for ALL OF US.

Fucking asshats

Re:one omission (4, Informative)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320761)

w3rd.

Average salaries may be on the increase, but total jobs in the IT field are not. It's getting *more* difficult to find a job; the glut of IT folks out there (and it *is* a glut) means employers can sit on their haunches while waiting for that "perfect candidate" who has exactly 3 years as an Oracle DBA and 5+ years experience with ADO.NET. (Yes, I've seen job offers exactly like that -- has ADO.NET even been *around* for 5 years?).

There are *ZERO* entry level jobs on the market at the moment. So the rest of us who just got out of college, even if we racked up experience with internships or other on-the-side jobs, are screwed unless we can lie convincingly in our interviews. If we can even *get* an interview, that is.

Re:one omission (2, Interesting)

KevinIsOwn (618900) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320815)

Wrong. If there are less jobs then that means there are more people vying for those jobs, thus there is a high supply and low demand. This would cause salaries to go down. This is very good news as it means there is more demand for CS and IT professionals now that companies realize that 50% of all outsourcing ventures lose money. About the only ones that end up profiting are call center outsourcing ventures. All others tend to be cheaper at first, then hemorage money once traveling, translating, and other expenses are factored in.

Quickly! (-1, Troll)

krem81 (578167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320610)

Let's spin this into the argument against the Bush administration. Ooh, I know, them "neo-cons" decided to pay more to the grads, in order to turn them into Republicans. That's pure EVIL.

Are they really? (5, Interesting)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320612)

I wonder if this isn't a side effect of a lot of the outsourcing to India that's happening. If a lot of the lower paid jobs (tech support and the like) are outsourced, what's left behind are the higher paying jobs which results in a higer average.

Re:Are they really? (3, Insightful)

krem81 (578167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320753)

And if that's teh case, then it is a good thing. If we always kept our low-paying jobs, half the country would still be laying bricks and raising cattle.

Re:Are they really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320787)

Both jobs (bricklaying and cattle farming) being excellent examples of jobs that can't easily be outsourced :-P

Re:Are they really? (1)

krem81 (578167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320808)

Sure they can be. Not to foreigners, but to machines and new technologies. But you're right, there are better examples ;-)

The sky ISN'T falling (2, Interesting)

smaksly (751439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320614)

Relax.

IT is still alive and will continue to be a career with prospects in the USA.

Not everything can/should be outsourced.

Re:The sky ISN'T falling (2, Interesting)

jlleblanc (582587) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320665)

I've been seeing more job postings for US/North American candidates only. I think the time difference is beginning to wear on some of the PHB's out there.

-Joe

Re:The sky ISN'T falling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320767)


Not everything can/should be outsourced.


Of course, not everything should be outsourced. But that doesn't seem to be stopping management from trying. Against all reason, they're doing it anyway. It will eventually come back, but until it does, I'm going to be a little worried.

Great News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320617)

Good to hear as a CMU freshman, but with tuition here there damn well better be a good salary out the door.

Raise? (2, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320619)

More like a 4.1% harder kick in the butt around here.

Meanwhile the administrators are trying to get 17% and I don't mean retroactive or anything, just a big fat raise.

Damand is up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320620)

It seems that demand is up for individuals with solid IT skills in the UK. I have noticed a distinct increase in the number of calls I'm receiving from head hunters in the last 4-6 months.

Question (3, Interesting)

apoplectic (711437) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320622)

Given the title "IT (And Other) Salaries On The Rise In The U.S." but knowing the content to be talking about rising initial pay for grads entering the market...is there necessarily a direct correlation between the two?

I mean, it certainly seems reasonable to assume that the two are related...but...?

A Year ago... (5, Informative)

JaffaKREE (766802) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320629)

A year ago, getting an IT job was hard as hell. Countless resumes, postings and searchings EVENTUALLY netted me a DBA position.

In the last few months, I've started getting emails randomly from recruiters who've seen my resumes posted. I haven't been looking, haven't updated it. One of the opportunities struck me, so I took it. No problems. I've been offered more jobs in the past month - without looking for anything - than I could even get close to a year ago.

Re:A Year ago... (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320818)

I'm with you on this. I decided to go for a career change, and am in law school right now, but I spent the past year working in IT and it was around April that things started really picking up, with some initial near-opportunities running back to October '03.

Things are truly looking up. If you can weather the last of the storm as it passes through, you can do alright.

Wow! (-1, Offtopic)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320631)

Not only are salaries going up, but /. actually changed the babyshit color scheme for the IT section!

Where's my job then? (3, Interesting)

Lovedumplingx (245300) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320644)

Salaries may be on the rise...but it doesn't do the new grad any good if he/she can't find a job.

I know of one person who moved from Texas (where he lived and graduated) to DC just because the odds were better that he'd get a job. Didn't work.

Re:Where's my job then? (1)

aceat64 (706106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320805)

Not to mention that the cost of living in Texas is FAR cheaper. My family visited DC this summer, while we were there I noticed that the prices for just about everything were higher, movies tickets, food (with the exception of certain national brands/stores), housing, etc.

A friend I have up their has an appartment (I forgot exactly how much it costs per month) but if he were to pay the same amount for one in Texas he could get an appartment that was easily 2 times the size. That's in downtown Dallas too, where a large percentage of international companies base their headquarters.

CS != IT (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320645)

While there is certainly crossover, your typical IT employee is/was not a CS major. CS is programming and software engineering, IT is servers and networks, and yes, occasionally writing some code. Programmers' salaries rising doesn't mean shit to most of us IT employees.

Re:CS != IT (2, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320682)

CS is a branch of IT. So one segment of the IT job market is covered here. I agree that the title is misleading, but this is Slashdot, where there are more fact-checkers than any other site by the same name. Or maybe it's tied.

To late (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320648)

I already changed my major from CS to secondary education. I don't have to fear my job being sent off to another country in education. Granted I don't make as much money but my little experience with CS related jobs was well, not exactly rewarding. I decided I'd rather just code for fun and not have to worry about my job if I can even find one that will stay around for 30 years so I can retire this lifetime.

Can education be oursourced? (1)

qbzzt (11136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320762)

I already changed my major from CS to secondary education. I don't have to fear my job being sent off to another country in education.

With Web Based Training and teleconferencing, I wonder if education will eventually be outsourced.

Ori, taking a break from writing WBT courseware.

history (1)

sp00 (639381) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320650)

sucks for those history majors... -4.80% from last year

Re:history (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320714)

sucks for those history majors... -4.80% from last year

The numbers were probably skewed by one person's salary. Carly Fiorina is a medieval history major (or is that medieval studies?). I doubt she took a pay cut.

Re:history (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320791)

Carly Fiorina is a medieval history major

This explains *SO* much about why HP has changed from a technically innovative company to a supplier of printer ink that had to buy Compaq instead of actually improve the technically superior Jornada.

And history drops almost 5% (2, Funny)

nathan s (719490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320653)

I think it's more interesting to see what fell than what rose. Computer engineering, mechanical/industrial engineering, and history. Any ideas why those would fall?

Although in this political climate, doesn't seem like much attention is being paid to history, as the same mistakes keep being repeated.:-P

Re:And history drops almost 5% (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320735)

What job, exactly, does a history major apply for, other than history teacher or museum curator?

I hardly ever have an experience at work where I'm working on a design document or expense report or something, and all of a sudden it's like "OH SHIT! I'm gonna miss the deadline! When did Hannibal cross the Alps!?"

Provides bias? (1)

nathan s (719490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320779)

Honestly, I don't understand why it's listed outside of liberal arts, except that perhaps the authors of the report wanted liberal arts to show a greater rise. Typically history majors, as I understand it, get history degrees as precursors to graduate degrees in areas like politics or as a liberal arts base for doing law or other fields. Frankly, I think not lumping with liberal arts is a bit suspect.

Theory (5, Insightful)

webword (82711) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320655)

Low wage jobs have been outsourced from the U.S. therefore the remaining jobs in U.S. drive higher mean wages, even for college graduates.

trimming off the bottom (5, Interesting)

crowdozer (663344) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320661)

I wonder how much of this is due to outsourcing. Get rid of a bunch of the lower-than-average wages from the equation and you will get a perceived increase in average, which could then be misconstrued as a good thing. For example... 30K 40K 50K 60K = average of 45K Now outsource the jobs of the 30K and 40K guys so they go work at McDs and you have... 50K 60K = average of 55K Oooh were all making 10K more. WRONG.

Re:trimming off the bottom (1)

webword (82711) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320710)

Good theory. I wrote the same thing (with less details) only seconds before you. ;-)

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=122772&ci d= 10320655

We really HAVE sent a lot of jobs to low cost areas of the world. But, does this make a differnce? Hard to say.

I didn't RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320662)

But I'm pretty sure it doesn't account for inflation in the increase, or if it's a real increase in buying power with the increase in pay.

Noooooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320664)

Not a story about rising IT salaries! Heaven forbid the liberal IT loonies have to deal with evidence in their own backyard!

Say it isn't so!

Recent College Grads Only (2, Insightful)

digThisXL (252109) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320669)

The 4.1% increase is reflective of *recent* graduates only. The rest of us poor experienced scum suffer with a COLA raise if we're lucky!

Meanwhile... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320672)

Meanwhile CEO salaries are up 200%. Yeah, I'm really excited about my 2% pay increase now.

You don't even deserve that (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320812)

The CEO deserves 200% for seeing the company through some hard times and back to profitability.

You don't deserve 2%. Your spot should be outsourced.

Salaries for college grads are up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320676)

But what about employment rates?

Got to be an average. (2, Interesting)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320684)

Meanwhile, computer science graduates make $49,036 a year, a gain of 4.1 percent.

Got to be an average- I've got my Bachelor's of Software Engineering, and I'm only making $42,000/year after 10 years of experience.

Re:Got to be an average. (3, Informative)

Violet Null (452694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320786)

Depends on where you work. In central Florida, $50,000 / yr is a pretty good salary. In San Francisco, $50,000 / yr is less than the janitor gets paid.

National averages are pretty useless.

Re:Got to be an average. (2, Interesting)

(trb001) (224998) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320797)

Where are you living? If you're not in a city, you're probably still above the average when you factor in cost of living. Quick Googling for a salary comparison [homefair.com] , $100k in my home town of Centreville, Va is equal to $150k in San Diego, Ca. Oddly enough, DC (which is essentially where I work) has a comparison of $100k to $83k in SD. Huh.

--trb

SHHHHHHHHHH (3, Insightful)

slashdot_punk (813387) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320691)

Stop pimping IT. We need perception to be BAD... so students stop taking IT majors.

That's what will increase our salaries and our demand.

Re:SHHHHHHHHHH (1)

JaffaKREE (766802) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320816)

I graduated college 4 years ago, so I was right in the midst of the classes with all those "dude computers, mad money! Rock!" people. You could talk with these guys for 5 minutes and realize they were going to make some desperate IT company very unhappy with an utter lack of knowledge concerning basic systems concepts. They all have C.S. degrees now, though. But somehow I'm pretty sure this has worked itself out - I doubt they have jobs anymore and are likely working a low-wage manual labor deal. It's probably better for everyone.

more like cost of living increase (1)

sp00 (639381) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320722)

Wouldn't a 4.1% raise be equal to a cost of living increase since the last raise was seen in 2001? Then it's not really a raise...

College (3, Insightful)

TPoise (799382) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320725)

Many CS majors have it all wrong. College isn't about wasting 4-6 years studying, it's about doing something PRODUCTIVE during that time (co-op, internships, start your own business, develop a new 3-d game engine). Something to show that I have talent. Unfortunately darwinism is taking place and only the strongest are surviving right now. The weak are all complaining that it's Bush's fault that they have no experience and aren't willing to relocate to take on an entry-level job.

Only the strongest will survive.

It's true (1)

BlueThunderArmy (751258) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320729)

As someone falling into the "other" category, I can confirm that, yes, I received my $.39/hour raise this year, my first with this particular institution.


Not that I'm complaining, mind you; in fact I'm the only one out of my friends with a steady job. Let's hear it for economic recovery!

A few questions about methodology... (1)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320730)

1.) Could the numbers be moving upwards because people on the low end are losing jobs at a faster rate, moving up the average?

2.) Do the numbers take inflation into account?

3.) Could this be showing up because jobs that would formerly be considered IT are now moving into a more general skill set? (Similar to #1.)

Time to switch again (1)

cermanius (814292) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320750)

Salary increas eh? Time to switch jobs to get an increase.... oh wait, all the jobs are going to india... so wait... the guys in india are making more? :-)

No (2, Insightful)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320765)

Are things finally starting to look up for us?"

Is it a good thing we got a 4% raise on the job we got laid off from?

Oh, and 4% PER YEAR, EVERY YEAR,would just about keep up with inflation. Then, maybe management would notice the 15% annual increase in housing costs...

Where's biotech? (1)

s00p41337h4x0r (696697) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320792)

Look at the bottom three in the list:
Elementary education $30,059 1.20%

Biological/life sciences $29,629 0.60%

Psychology $28,230 2.00%

I thought biotech was the next big sexy thing. Any lab techs out there want to explain why you get paid less than the psych-degree social workers?

Perhaps, (4, Insightful)

Teclis (772299) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320794)

If IT Jobs are really earning more money than there must be a few things going on. Firstly, The industry may be seeing increased profits, Secondly, There may be increased demand for IT Professionals. Thirdly, There may be a decreased supply of IT Professionals.

The salary paid to those working is not just something that is nice to have high. It is calculated from the state of the system. If the pay is bad then do something about it. Sometimes the only thing you can do is find a different job as there are too many workers in the industry.

Also, the industry can regulate this more if IT people want more money. Take the Medical Profession for example. They place a limit on the number of accepted students every year. If CS education did this as well, then the decreased supply (I don't think the demand is going anywhere) will force employers to pay the workers more money. On the reverse side, not as many people would have jobs. This is almost like the question on Socialism vs. Capitalism. If you want everyone to be working and be marginally content, then don't expect alot of money. Judging from this article, that is not what people want but infact the Capitalistic prespective in that they want more money.

I got my raise last year (1)

Offwhite98 (101400) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320806)

It is important to keep improving and expanding your skillset. If you stand still you will become obsolete and make it easier to replace you with someone overseas. It also helps to watch the market and determine which skills you find useful.

In a matter of 5 years I have worked with Perl, Java and now .NET. And now I do all 3 plus more depending on the project. I also find the supporting technologies like XML, XHTML, CSS and other standardized technologies are great filler which make you valuable even when you are thrown onto a new platform with a new language. I expect XML to be a technology that everyone will build on and will remain important for a long time. Right now XML and XSLT is very useful in Java and .NET.

Make sure you maintain useful skills and make sure people know you are an expert. It will help you raise your salary. It has helped mine.

No EE on list? (2, Informative)

workerbeedrone (323535) | more than 9 years ago | (#10320807)

Maybe slightly off-topic, but why are there no Electrical Engineering numbers on the list?

Has the BSEE degree been absorbed by BSCS, BSME, and BSIE, while I've been in the basement?

Mathematics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10320814)

Where is Maths on the list?
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