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483 comments

It all makes sense now (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325151)

No wonder I can find so much David Hasselhoff stuff on edonkey.

Re:It all makes sense now (3, Funny)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325190)

the real question is.. why are you looking for David Hasselhoff stuff on edonkey? That is just disturbing...

Re:It all makes sense now (4, Funny)

Gaewyn L Knight (16566) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325349)

He must be German!

(Excuse the SNL moment :})

Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325159)

If you're in a hurry, try something else.

I was looking for PS2 Linux a while ago, and the only place I could
find it was on eDonkey. 10-15 people shared it, so I started the
download, and went out to buy a USB keyboard and mouse. After letting
eDonkey run for about 1 week, my brand new and unused keyboard+mouse
had collected enough dust, so I gave up and uninstalled it in frustration.
The same day I found a guy on a DC++ Hub that had the two DVD iso's online.
Downloaded them in a couple of hours, and had the thing installed on my PS2
a little later the same evening.

eDonkey may have lots of users and files, but MAAAN it's slow!

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325202)

That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.

Yeah, boo-hoo downloading obscure warez on P2P is slow.

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325216)

That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.

What do you download from P2P networks that's not warez? (Yes mp3's, games, movies, etc are considered to be 'warez')

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325311)

There's some non-copyright stuff out there.

I don't use any of the P2P filesharing apps, the combination of ftp and knowing the right people worked before, it works still, and it'll work 10 years from now after congress has laid down 90000 laws specific to "P2P networks".

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (4, Funny)

Colonel Cholling (715787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325299)

That's because the PS2 linux dev kit is warez.

Wow! You mean the eDonkey software is able to detect whether a given file infringes copyright, and automatically makes sure that those, and only those, files are incredibly slow downloads? That's better than anything the MPAA has!

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (5, Insightful)

js3 (319268) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325205)

edonkey has an interesting race to the bottom characteristic. If you give it all your bandwidth you will end up sharing 5-10 times the size you originally intended to download. So any emule user with a clue will cap his upload bandwidth, which makes everyone else slow. Edonkey may be the place to find stuff, but it's not the place to download large binaries.

Re:Got plenty of time? eDonkey may rock. (5, Interesting)

xQx (5744) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325223)

Parent is dead right.

eD2k rewards people for uploading, but seems to reward people for sitting in queue better.

The way to effectively get files with ed2k is with a 10GB queue of content which you just forget about for a week or two. -- It's a bit of a culture change after kazaa and napster where you immediatly start downloading files. ... but I suppose that was bound to happen when you move from exchanging 4mb mp3 files, to 4GB vob archives :)

It's not a leaching network! (5, Interesting)

node159 (636992) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325413)

That would be because it's not a leaching network. You get back what you put in, if you want to leech your not welcome here.

The clients have been designed for fairness and _sharing_ rather than grab as much as you can and then go offline.

DC on the other hand is this mentality, you can keep your leaching corrupt network.

emule? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325162)

Who is the ass now?

Re:emule? (4, Funny)

iamatlas (597477) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325199)

emule...Who is the ass now?

Maybe you are. I don't know. What I do know is that donkeys are asses. Mules are, well, mules. And sterile. Cross species lovin' doesn't pay.

Re:emule? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325222)

Cross species lovin' doesn't pay.

Says you! [lyricsbox.com]

~~~

The reason? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325165)

At least in my personnal circle of friends, the reason why Kazaa usage stopped was the effective killing off of Kazaa lite.

Re:The reason? (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325175)

Exactly. Once kazaa lite was gone, I wouldn't trust my computer to that spyware garbage. Using Apollon on linux works out well though.

Re:The reason? (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325195)

Yes spyware was the reason I stopped using Kazaa too.

But is Edonkey really better than Soulseeker? Soulseeker has been the biggest P2P upgrade I have seen.

Kazaa Lite isn't dead (5, Informative)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325233)

Haven't heard of Kazaa Lite Resurrection [klite.prv.pl] ?

Re:Kazaa Lite isn't dead (1)

Nataku564 (668188) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325267)

Cant say that I have - anyone tried this?

Kazaa IS dead (1)

angedinoir (699322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325325)

No, it's dead. Face it, you've got 1 billion people connected and a grand total of 10MB shared.

I don't care to use it, whether I can connect or not.

Re:Kazaa Lite isn't dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325402)

That site reads like teh average spam e-mail I receive. The alternate cursor crosshair thingy reaks of credibility, too.

Re:The reason? (1)

Travy.b (815549) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325328)

Kazaa lite is still going strong AFAIC. Although I generally use bit torrents for larger files, I still often use Klite. Infact I never STOPPED using klite - even among all the scare tactic crap that was going on several months ago. Has anyone even tried to connect with it lately? its the same as its always been!!! (now I can see comments such as "yeah.. same as its always been.. crap" as a reply to this ;) )

Re:The reason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325419)

Do you still have to run as a "supernode"?

Re:The reason? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325330)

I second (third, fourth, fifth?) that comment. I would generally use KaZaa Lite for music and Overnet for warez. Now that K-Lite is dead, I use iTunes for music and Overnet for warez.

Please don't read this as an endorsement the RIAA. 98% of the music I download I wouldn't buy anyway. The music I WOULD buy I usually DO end up buying. Commercial software, on the other hand, is overpriced. The end of software piracy = the end of Microsoft as far as I'm concerned. In short, I buy music I like, but I think pirating (overpriced) software is okay. BONG!

So that explains the deterioration (5, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325166)

I've noticed a *drastic* deterioration of quality of content lately, having all those kazaa losers coming over would explain that.

Now, being #1, means the industries will start targeting ed2k and its associated clients next.

Greaaaat...

Re:So that explains the deterioration (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325275)

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand

The part you left out: "as part of a well-regulated militia"

Be careful who you argue is a regulated militia... consider there's a war going on. Personally I'd LOVE to send the whole NRA over there...

Re:So that explains the deterioration (1)

peter hoffman (2017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325355)

From the U.S. Code [cornell.edu] :

Sec. 311. - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are -

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia

Pay special attention to paragraphs (a) and (b)(2). As you can see, the phrase "militia" includes many more people than you thought. It basically includes every male U.S. citizen or would-be citizen who could be of use in combat.

Re:So that explains the deterioration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325365)

The part you left out: "as part of a well-regulated militia"

No, you changed the wording. It doesn't say "as part of a well-regulated militia". This is what it says:
A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

This is what Samuel Adams had to say about gun rights in the Federalist Papers:
"The said Constitution be never construed ?to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

don't fuck with the meaning of our constitution. You don't like it, you peacefully work to change it. Don't play this living document crap, etherealize it and pretend it says something other than it says. What it means is immensely clear if you read the debates surrounding the 2nd amendment. The modern day anti-gun nutjobs can go to hell. History says they're wrong.

Re:So that explains the deterioration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325338)

No next about it. I received my first and only nastygram from the movie industry from using amule to download a movie. And not a recent one by any means, early 90s and german. The huge download times play right into their hands as well, giving them more than enough time to check and recheck that you're downloading and sharing the file as you go.

Re:So that explains the deterioration (3, Informative)

secolactico (519805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325345)

industries will start targeting ed2k and its associated clients next

That's already happening. I've seen several notices from MPAA and BSA regarding people using edonkey (I get copies of the abuse email). Usually for entire movies (600+ MB).

Open source rules again (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325167)


see what happens when you let anyone grab the code
you get a true distributed P2P system that is free and highly expandable

grab the source [sf.net] and make a great app even better and more secure

Re:Open source rules again (4, Interesting)

pchan- (118053) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325449)

the eMule client [emule-project.net] (an open-source clone of edonkey, for windows) is an amazing piece of software. much better than the edonkey client, and and awesome program in its own right. and since it's open source, it's about as non-evil (no spyware or other intrusive shit) as they come. there aren't many windows-specific open source programs, and few approach this caliber.

for linux, the mldonkey client [nongnu.org] is a pretty nice daemon. i generally use kmldonkey [kmldonkey.org] as a gui for it. kmldonkey (a nice attempt to clone emule) crashes quite often, but since it is separate from the network core daemon, nothing is affected. just launch it again, and your transfers are still going.

good stuff. super slow network, though.

Bittorrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325170)

You Mean Everyone Hasn't changed to Bittorrent yet?

Re:Bittorrent (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325185)

What is bittorrent?

Re:Bittorrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325337)

Files shared two+ years ago are still alive and downloadable on ed2k network, can you say the same for BT?

Re:Bittorrent (1)

angedinoir (699322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325424)

Torrent: If you can find the torrent, you can usually get the file.

ed2k: You can find the file, but good luck getting it. May as well hit some 1337 0-dAy wAReZ sites, or the T500 lists.

Re:Bittorrent (2, Funny)

angedinoir (699322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325354)

Shh, on't-day ention-may it-bay orrent-te (ang-bay)

Torrent + Hacked Kazaa = Search Capabilities + P2P + Ability to Actually Download Stuff

http://www.trillazah.com

27 and a halfth generation anti-disestablished-de-interoperable-P2P systems

---
Sorry I should lay off the crack!

typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325176)

go check the site again...

More Soulseek (5, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325178)

Amongst the kids (which I'm no longer) Soulseek is the P2P of choice. Partially because it's so easy to find a friend's files.

eDonkey has its place. I use it to download MST3K episodes from www.dapcentral.org. It's slow, but I've never had a single corrupt download. When you're talking 4.7 GB (in some cases) it's pretty damn good.

Re:More Soulseek (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325276)

I quit using dapcentral and eDonkey when they got rid of the News Radio episodes! :

P2P is for idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325382)

Edonkey is crap. Soulseek is crap. Why pay $5 a month for "download privileges" when you can pay $10 for an Easynews account with a 10 to 14GB limit, unlimited speed, and everything you could ever want right now with no waiting? You get all the Movies, pc and console games, OS's, applications, and mp3's you could ever want without any liabilty for sharing. 99% of the stuff seen on P2P networks like Edonkey and Soulseek starts in the newsgroups and IRC anyway. Finally, people who share other's IP out in public in this day and age are fucking morons. The ONLY even semi-respectable ilk of this type of downloading is extremely small DC hubs where you know and trust everyone.

Again, P2P is for idiots and is beaten by a good news server anytime.

Oh yea, one last thing, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325418)

for the really cheap. You don't "have" to pay for a commercial news server account. Many ISP's include Free news server access. Verizon one of the biggest ISP's just upgraded their news server's retention rate and offers pretty much unlimited downloads. Feel free to stick with kazaa etc though I'm sure the RIAA would rather you did since it makes their life that much easier.

What a kick... (1)

Felonius Thunk (168604) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325179)

...in the eAss!

(boo, hiss, back to the secret bunker)

In a related note, am I the only one who sees eMule suck up virtually all the cpu for like 10-3- second bursts? Then again, I haven't tried it at least 6 months. SOmething to do tonight (at the secret bunker).

Re:What a kick... (1)

ransomspqr (815611) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325261)

I had noticed that same thing when I used the eMule windows client. However that was likewise about 6 months ago, and I have since dumped my windows partition completely. I do not have these same problems with xMule. But I have noticed that sharing with either xMule or eMule seems to eat up a abnormally large portion of my internet bandwidth - even if my outgoing and incoming shares are only a minute fraction of what I am capable of.

On the whole xMule/eMule seems to be the place to find even some of the more obscure stuff I am looking for, I just have to be prepared to wait awhile to get it.

eAss? (-1, Redundant)

koganuts (526569) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325180)

eDonkey... eMule... I'm waiting for eAss. Sorry, someone had to say it. :)

Mod Up parent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325235)

Geez moderators... don't you have humor??

Re:Mod Up parent (1)

Nataku564 (668188) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325295)

They do ... but the post above it said the same thing - thus warrenting the Redundant mod.

eDarl (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325256)

eDonkey... eMule... eAss... eDarl...

Re:eDarl (2, Funny)

angedinoir (699322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325377)

I tried eDarl, but couldn't get it to work. Kept asking for a license fee for stolen code, but I didn't know what it was talking about, so I deleted it.

Shrizzek Sizzez: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325181)

Shut up, Donkey!

Link to slycknews (4, Informative)

kaosrain (543532) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325192)

I'm not sure why the link goes to slyck.com instead of the actual news story, but the direct link is here [slyck.com]

spyware? (4, Insightful)

jnapalm (749376) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325196)

Most P2P clients I've found nowadays are either spyware infested and bloated with so many unnecessary features that they consume more memory than I'm willing to give up.

That, or there aren't enough users on the network to make it worthwhile.

Anyone know of a decent alternative?

Re:spyware? (2)

WeblionX (675030) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325380)

You could try Shareaza [shareaza.com] , though if 80MB of RAM is too much (And that's with a rather large library), then I suppose WinMX [winmx.com] might be an alternative.

WASTE (1)

angedinoir (699322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325395)

Probably get flamed for the mention, but I've been using it and steel going strong.

WASTE [sourceforge.net]

Bit Torrent is a Network? (1, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325198)

"Those looking for movies and images, their choice have become the growing BitTorrent or eDonkey2000 networks."

Idiots.

Maths? (2, Interesting)

hereschenes (813329) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325201)

Current stats from the slyck page:

FastTrack 2,493,637 eDonkey2K 2,402,593

Eh?

eDonkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325208)

This is very curious. At first, all you would hear
about the eDonkey network was "it sucks", and
depending on the client you use, it still does:
It can take weeks to download a big file, even
if it's popular.

The official linux client is not bad at all, however
development is extremely slow, and it's closed
source nature is probably not helping in
this respect. You are encouraged to use the older
versions as many people experience segfaults
and weird problems all the time with their "latest" version.

Anyway, the eDonkey developers once tried
to kill it off in favor of Overnet, their
newer p2p implementation... (this would seem to
justify the slow ed2k development) but i guess it didn't
take off (I could never make the linux client
work at all anyway)

Leeches suck (1, Informative)

zarthrag (650912) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325210)

This is bad news, I've come to associate with edonkey as having zillions of files - but no one sharing them. That's why it's slower than pondwater, even on dialup. Now that word is spreading, this terrible quality will only deteriorate.

ed2k won't be #1 for long.

Re:Leeches suck (2, Informative)

secolactico (519805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325367)

I gave up on edonkey, because whenever I found a file and tried to download it, it would place me in a queue, sometimes over 1500 long. You need patience to use this thing.

On a related note, Sharezaa supports edonkey.

That sucks. (2, Insightful)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325211)

Now all the Overpeers, Cyveillances, BayTSPs, and other black-helicopter traitor-to-freedom companies will be out in force on eMule.

They already are (1)

melted (227442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325399)

One of the handy features of eMule is IP filter. You can see you're being watched and you can see who's watching you.

If you actually visited the page... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325212)

you'd realize that FastTrack had 2,493,637 and eDonkey2K had 2,402,593 on September 21, 2004 19:00.

Furthermore, if you bothered to read the article they posted [slyck.com] about FastTrack closing in on eDonkey2K, you would have also noticed the following:

Although the statistics show the eDonkey2000 network slightly ahead of FastTrack at the time of this writing, it is much too early to declare a new P2P King. Too many variables currently exist in the way that a client collect their population numbers to difinatively stay that one network is ahead of another. However, what is certain is that the eDonkey2000 network is closing in on FastTrack, and if Sharman does not fall back on their "invaluable experience" soon, a new P2P King will be crowned.

Re:If you actually visited the page... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325440)

This is /., you must be a new user.

eDonkey2000 is better eMule (0)

superangrybrit (600375) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325214)

eDonkey2000 is very buggy, is a CPU hog and has less features than eMule but...

eMule is slow as hell and don't think you're gonna download that MP3 tonight or the next day...

No its not... (1)

technoviper (595945) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325218)

I'm not sure how recently you saw the stats but as of 8PM CST Fastrack leads by a slim margin. Also i believe Edonkey was started by a New York firm; more information can be found at the link in the main post.

People use that? (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325220)

Wow, I thought only stupid non-computer type people use Kazaa. I didn't think anybody used eDonkey. I use giFT ( gnutella + openft ), winmx ( with wine ), and DC. I really don't trust any of the other p2p networks enough. Or more properly worded, I don't trust the users of the other p2p networks enough. And of course, there's always my favorite new file transfer program, gaim + jabber.

Oh yeah, BT, duh. But that doesn't really count, does it?

Err LImewire? (1)

spineboy (22918) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325411)

Anyone still using LIme iwre - I've found it to be quite good at finding MP3s. It seems to work quite well, with a LARGE database and user pool. It has a nice easy to use GUI and is available on MS-windows, Linux and possibly MACs.

Any specific reason why anyone isn't using LimeWIre?

Re:Err LImewire? (2, Interesting)

pigscanfly.ca (664381) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325428)

Limewire is a gnutella proctol client.
People dont use limewire as a client specifically because of a number of adware/spyware related issues.
ALthough why people dont use gnutella more I dont know.

Don't mess with meth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325224)

Don't mess with meth, Beth
Don't mess with meth, Seth
Don't mess with meth, Gwynneth

A GREAT open source client (3, Informative)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325225)

My all time favourite client for accessing eDonkey, Gnutella, Gnutella 2 and Bitorrents, all in one shiney app is Shareaza [shareaza.com] . This is one great client that I've had wonderful success with. I recommend it as easy to use and very powerful.

Re:A GREAT open source client (1)

Greg K Nicholson (806600) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325296)

Yeah - I switched from eMule even before it was open sourced. Recommended.

Re:A GREAT open source client (1)

Da Twink Daddy (807110) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325353)

Others include xmule, mldonkey, kmldonkey and a bunch of others. Just look under
net-p2p/
in your Gentoo [gentoo.org] portage tree. Homepages can of course be found with
emerge -suave net-p2p/<package>
. If you aren't using Gentoo, you suck. ;)

Edonkey vs. other p2p networks (5, Insightful)

humberthumbert (104950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325228)


The reason I use ed2k (through the emule client) is that the community is by and large really into file-sharing, NOT file-trading. Hence, you can readily find years-old material for download. In pristine uncorrupted condition no less.

P2P networks like Bittorrent and DC++ have an air
of "grab all you can and go offline, fuck the other guy" attitude that I really detest. Not to mention that they're only really good for brand new releases...

Great... (3, Funny)

Jim Ethanol (613572) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325241)

Now thanks to that statistic the hired goons of the MPAA and RIAA will be trying to break the Donkey's legs.

"Knock, knock, who's there?
Goons.
Who?
Hired goons.
punch-beat-pummel-club-club-stab..."

crazy idea! (5, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325245)

Why not take ed2k, rename it 200 times, make each version have it's own separate network.

Ideally, name them all profanely, such as fuckcock, shitcunt, ect.

That way, you make the **AA's press releases completely useless, the evening news won't talk about it, the networks are far less likely to be full of fake files, as there are too many to police.

Meanwhile, I will continue to use Shitwhorrent!

It works already!

Re:crazy idea! (3, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325289)

Then everyone with Tourrettes (sp?) syndrome will start getting bogus takedown notices.

great idea (1)

contagious_d (807463) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325433)

That is a good idea (the profane name part).

Oh no. btw, Kad is server-less (4, Interesting)

real_smiff (611054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325249)

I don't want to see this story reported. it'll only bring the twits in suits' attention to the lovely, stable and diverse ed2k network. At least the eMule devs saw this coming and have already built the lovely, stable and diverse Kad network. (both available in recent eMule clients).

btw, i run eMule 24/7 serving freeware files. no I actually do, i don't share copyright stuff, got caught doing that already (watch out Movie fans! don't share those files for months on end). i'm always uploading freeware aswell so i know it's a popular distribution mechanism for that.

RIAA hiring programmers! (4, Funny)

Anubis333 (103791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325250)

It seems that the RIAA [riaa.org] is hiring programmers to 'alter current internal software suite ('AutoSue CopyProtector') to incorporate new networks and TCP IP protocols..'

quality of content (5, Informative)

rayde (738949) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325253)

what sets ed2k apart from kazaa is the quality of the content, and it's basically decentralized nature. Anyone is free to setup an ed2k server, plus the ed2k sister protocol, overnet (kademlia in it's eMule, open source variation) is serverless. As far as quality, everything is based on hashes, and your download results will be as accurate as the place you got the hash from.

now, as far as speed, like many people have mentioned, it can be slow. I'm sure I'm over simplifying, but think of ed2k the same as BitTorrent, only instead of the queueing of bandwidth being for only one single file, it is for your entire list of files. It can take quite a long time to complete downloads, but knowing that you're going to get a nice, uncorrupted file makes it worthwhile.

eMule [emule-project.net] , the open source variant, contains many enhancements over the standard eDonkey [edonkey2000.com] client, and there are numerous mods in circulation. this can include Fakelist databases, ip to country checking, and the ability to tweak your bandwidth usage. there is also a web-based and mobile (cell phone) client built in so you can monitor your eMule from anywhere.

It should be noted that there is a Legal Content Database [emule-project.net] hosted by the project, containing links to freeware/shareware and public domain stuff.

What's similar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325313)

Is that someone pays attention [riaa.com] to both.

suprnova.org is bigger (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325258)

look at the number at the bottom on the suprnova.org website:

181473 seeded torrents (295138 total), 2594211 seeds & 4043961 downloaders (6638172 peers), on 1317 active trackers

download speed (2, Informative)

macaran (766186) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325270)

Keep in mind emule downloads are priority based, like BitTorrent. So the more you upload, the faster you'll download.

I have no issues with emule speed; just open up your upload pipe and it should go quick enough. I normaly cap my download pipe in an hour or so.

For every P2P network, turn, turn, turn (2, Insightful)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325274)

"Top honors now belong to edonkey, a network of German origins.

And it too will eventially become the focus of the RIAA, whereupon it will lose users and be knocked off of its top spot in favor of the new P2P network of the moment. maybe the KazPlat network. Who knows, but it's inevitable.

Emule has ruled a long time (1)

Aggrajag (716041) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325277)

Kazaa is lot faster and can find you anhy song you like. For example some old Swedish Eurovision song contest winners. Try finding Herreys' from emule, it takes about a minute. If you want a full album emule is your tool.

eMule (2, Interesting)

hendridm (302246) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325280)

Most edonkey users connect with emule, a gpl client for Windows

Please enlighten me: Why do most users use eMule? I heard that it a) has compatibility problems on the ED2K network, and b) is based on an old version of Edonkey (v60?) and does not support Horde. Is this true? I've been staying away from it as I don't want to cause problems on the wonderful network. Plus, Overnet works great.

It sucks that Overnet/eDonkey is becoming popular. That means it will be the next to be shut down by the likes of RIAA/MPAA. :( Overnet rocks.

Re:eMule (2, Informative)

Frenchy_2001 (659163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325387)

eMule is perfectly compatible with the edonkey network (at least in my experience).

It only enforces the sharing of data, as you are limited to download at maximum 5x faster than your upload and you are priority based, which means that you have a unique ID and when you upload to someone, you gain points. Hence, the more you uploaded, the more points you have (those credits are only local with the persons you uploaded to) and the higher the priority in those people's queues.

I upload more than i DL (DSL. I have spare bandwidth...) so my downloads are quite fast.

And overnet CANNOT be shut down. The creators have 0 control over it and it does not have ANY server. Even if the guys programming it were to stop tomorrow, the network would live. Nothing can close it except limiting the clients' traffic. To close edonkey, you would already need to close ALL the servers... good luck with that! (although the bigger ones are certainly easy targets)

Re:eMule (4, Informative)

real_smiff (611054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325390)

Er that's pretty much all wrong.

eDonkey started it all. eMule took the eDonkey idea and made a better compatible open source client. the eDonkey devs (MetaMachine?) got upset that they could no longer make money from the ads in their old closed source client, or sell an ad-free version as they're still offering. at some point MM came out with "hybrid" which added a serverless network and various other things, including Horde, which is like swarming with smaller chunks IIRC. this was after eMule go popular i think. anyway, the two sides have pretty much been at war, although most of its on the ed2k side, and i think the eDonkey devs have been trying to break compatibility with eMule, favour their own clients, etc. this fails because eMule has over ~90% of the "market" and many many developers. there are also other clients which can connect to the network, including mods of eMule, but they can't do much damage as few people use them. I may have got some details wrong but i think this is roughly right.

Someone actually involved will probably see this and explain in much more detail, i haven't really cared too much.

Suggest you start using eMule, it's great and the developers are good honest folk who seem to be interested only in technical excellence (just read the changelog!).

Re:eMule (0, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325397)

They don't, most use eDonkey. This is slashdot and that line was just the manditory plug for some gpl'ed bullshit.

eDonkey sucks. It's slow and I've never completed a download on it, even when it's "available" from like 100s of people.

P2P sucks. Give me a good private ftp site any day.

Spy vs Spy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325283)

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/ 09/22/BAGQO8SOCF1.DTL

Interesting about today's other related story: California makes a law that file sharers must identify themselves via their email addresses. Then there's the other related story about China blocking web sites and Google cooperating with them.

Maybe I was wrong about it being like Spy vs Spy. Maybe it's more like Coyote vs Roadrunner. Governments try to plug the holes and people find new holes (Napster > Kazaa > this one > the next one ...). I really do think the basic rules have changed. It's going to be so hard to stop certain activities (file sharing or political dissent) that the people involved might as well resign themselves to the new order. The RIAA can adapt or die. The government of China can liberalize or ??? OK maybe we have a problem there.

Not German (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325290)

Edonkey and the network have U.S. origins - http://www.edonkey2000.com/contact.html [edonkey2000.com]

Although Emule, which I think is now the most popular client, has German origins.

MD5 hashes (2, Informative)

Swifti (801896) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325306)

The main reason I use eDonkey2000? ed2k links. You can click on a link that has a MD5 hash of the file you want from an HTML file and it immediately places the download in your eDonkey queue without having you to search for the file yourself. It's great for finding file releases that have a lot of sources, thereby quickening your download.

Too bad both networks are junk (3, Interesting)

Goosey (654680) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325309)

Honestly, nothing compares to an intelligent blend of binary newsgroups, IRC, and torrents (when I am getting desperate only!) And I officially predict this post as flamebait

Re:Too bad both networks are junk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325451)

You forgot ftp/fxp. Nothing beats a private server or a fast pub.

Newsgroups cost me money, so I don't use them much anymore. Comcast only gives me a gig a month through giganews. I used to pay for something like 20 gigs a month, which is easy enough to hit. I kept it around for those "desperate" moments, since it's always (relatively) fast.

Bittorrent replaced usenet as my "desperation" source, though.

And I agree, every P2P network has sucked ass. Now shut up about it, the last thing we want are all these slashdot otaku faggots gumming the scene up with their whining. Leave them to their DC hubs and whatnot.

An explanation of the 2 networks history: (5, Informative)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325317)

Currently FastTrack and eDonkey are the two top peer to peer networks. In almost every conceivable way, eDonkey is better than FastTrack. The reason FastTrack is popular at all is because it was the first decentralized network to pick up steam after the demise of Napster. They quickly rose to 4 million users, far above every other network.

But after decentralization, no new features were added. Instead, lots and lots and lots of spyware was bundled into the Kazaa Client by Sharman Networks inc. Kazaa Lite, the popular non-spyware altnerative, was shut down by this same company. Several DMCA notices were issued to sites hosting Kazaa Lite.

In the long run, a better client will supercede a poorer client once word of mouth gets around. And eDonkey far exceeds Kazaa with these features:
Hashing (fingerprinting, prevents fake files)
Swarming downloads
ed2k link sites (fingerprint information on specific files in the form of html code)
No spyware (for eMule)
Lots of different clients to choose from

In short, Sharman killed off their network by spending way too much time generating ad revenue, and not using that revenue to improve their client. There have been no important feature additions in years. This day has been long time coming.

Re:An explanation of the 2 networks history: (2, Interesting)

Frenchy_2001 (659163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325432)

Other factors of Fasttrack success at the beginning was that edonkey was really hard to use and that emule is a recent addition to it. They included most of the features that were requested by users (open source...) and especially all the usefull feature that required plug ins or automaters for edonkey.

Another factor was the Morpheus OS that used to be on fasttrack and had a lot of users as it was easier, more powerfull and no spyware.

Now, in the recent years, Fasttrack limited its network to Kazaa only, which it bundled with lots of spyware. The network got attacked by **AA drones and seeded with fake files. Emule made edonkey a lot easier to use. Edonkey programmers took note and updated their app.

So, basically, fastrack goes down in quility and edonkey goes up. The numbers are just inertia...

Edonkey was a very future looking P2P networrk at its conception. It's goal has always been to exchange BIG files (ISO sized), with hashes, verification and possibility to only dump the corrupted part. Now that those file sizes are usual, such a network gets useful...

Port Forwarding and Target Audience (2, Interesting)

unuselessj (686973) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325341)

I have always been of the opinion that BitTorrent and the ed2k network have been designed around very large files such as isos, dvds, and other things larger than bitty mp3 music files. These large files are where the applications really accel. I have often said it easier to get a whole album of songs than just one specific one on such networks. One thing that people often complain about is dialup speed transfers. I have read that this is because of a "low-id" given to most clients who don't have two ports forwarded to the machine. I believe eMule's suggested ports are 4662 and 4672. With a bit of testing I've deteremined that both BT and eMule work better with their respective ports forwarded. I've also always wondered what the Democrats thing of eDonkey.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10325348)

I think donkey is ass.

the horde is well done (4, Interesting)

havaloc (50551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325374)

I don't know why anyone would bother with eMule anymore. The Horde is probably the best implementation of an anti leech system I've ever seen, and more importantly, it works well. You partner with other clients, and you both exchange parts you both need. Takes care of the leeching problem nicely, and gets you your download in a timely manner. Highly recommended.

ED2K started by SF/NY company; ED2K hashes (1)

gojomo (53369) | more than 9 years ago | (#10325383)

Even though EMule may now be the most popular client, the EDonkey network was started by US company MetaMachine, which began in San Francisco in 2000 but then moved in 2002 with its founder Jed McCaleb to New York.

Someone mentioned ED2K hashes being MD5; in fact last I checked they were a composite hash based on MD4 (!). Don't tell any of the bad guys that.
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