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Hotmail Begins to Upgrade Free Accounts

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the getting-around-to-it dept.

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Myrmi writes "It looks as if Hotmail have started to upgrade free Hotmail accounts to 250Mb of space as promised. The account the screenshot is from is an old account - created August 1999 - so I guess they're upgrading the accounts in chronological order. Hopefully they'll get round to newer ones soon."

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GREASED UP YODA DOLL NOW SHOVED INTO ORBIT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348331)







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My Biggest Problem (5, Insightful)

Klar (522420) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348336)

Sure space is a big issue with the 2mb hotmail accounts, but I think my biggest problem with their service is speed. Even on a broadband connection, the pages usually load very very slowly. This was the main reason that I switched to gmail--it just loads faster. And to top it off, gmail offers 4*250mb plus features like conversations and a good quick spell checker. For me to switch back now, it will take a lot of *new* features on hotmail's service.

Re:My Biggest Problem (1)

Vicsun (812730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348412)

But, don't forget - not everyone has gmail yet (so it's not a question of people going back to hotmail - it's a question of less people switching to gmail when it goes public), and a switch isn't hassle free; people need to inform everyone of their new email address, import their old address book, etc.
With the biggest issue which is space, no longer being an issue I can see many people sticking to hotmail even after gmail goes public.
I mean, sure conversation grouping and labels are nice, but for many people this alone isn't enough to justify the inconvenience of changing an email address.

Re:My Biggest Problem (1)

Misinformed (741937) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348563)

Well, get an invite here [google.com] then!

Re:My Biggest Problem (4, Interesting)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348414)

Definately right, the one gig of space in gmail is just to get people to sign up for an account. once you use gmail all the features are great, even in beta. Hotmail will have to improve alot more than the storage space (which is obviously needed) their spam filtering isnt very good, my paypal comfirmation emails usually get filtered to the junk folder. The large ads advertising personals and classifieds aren't usually what you want to see when checking your mail.

250 megs is a start, but it's too little too late.

Re:Well it is not all about space (3, Insightful)

vivekg (795441) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348415)

It is not all about space. Hotmail is old service and this email id is known to many of friends. So you need to keep this id for some time. But main problems are:
Slow working
Large Advertisements
No keyboard shortcuts
and so on ....

Bottom line: switch to GMAIL (read as get gmail invitation)

Re:My Biggest Problem (4, Interesting)

paragon_au (730772) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348441)

Gmail may be fast. But I, along with some other I know who use firefox, have problems sometimes opening e-mails.
Sometimes it'll just say 'loading...' in the top right forever. Even when you sign out and sign in it still has this problem. This is a MAJOR problem, and seem to only occur with the most recent e-mail about 1-5% of the time.

In fact, while I'm at it, anyone know how to solve this problem?

Re:My Biggest Problem (0, Flamebait)

bmwm3nut (556681) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348585)

ah ha! i'm not crazy. i thought it was only happening to me. i could even log into different computers and firefox wouldn't open the message. but it was only 1 message. once i opened it in IE, it worked. i told gmail about the problem, but they didn't seem to care.

Re:My Biggest Problem (4, Interesting)

pbranes (565105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348448)

Hotmail drags for everybody. Just check out this google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=hotmail+slow&start= 0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=o rg.mozilla:en-US:official [google.com]

I still only use Hotmail for signing up for forms where I *know* they will be spamming whatever account I give them.

Hotmail is just too little too late for me to take it seriously.

Re:My Biggest Problem (2, Insightful)

shadowmas (697397) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348519)

i still use my hotmail account as the primary account even though i have a gmail because i can download it to my local machine for backup. yes i know hotmail is using a proprietery HTTPMail protocol but its quite simple and i have a simple perl script which download and backup hotmail emails to my local disk via a cron job. until gmail gives me similar facility i dont want to use gmail as my primary account because i want to be able to back them up easily.

Re:My Biggest Problem (0)

pbranes (565105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348527)

Re:My Biggest Problem (3, Insightful)

dreadfire (781564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348528)

I agree. MS believes that making the email look pretty and having useless things everywhere is the way to do it. Well if you want pure power and a simpler look go with GMail. Gmail is one of the best email services I have used. I don't even use my POP account anymore because GMail is even better than outlook on many levels.

Re:My Biggest Problem (4, Informative)

AnwerB (255422) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348603)

This was the main reason that I switched to gmail--it just loads faster.

I noticed this too - it flies compared to Hotmail or Yahoo, but I'm a little worried that the honeymoon will end when it moves from beta and allows millions of more users.

Then again, if anyone can pull it off, it's Google.

The only comment I would make on the Gmail account is that it's hard to list the size of emails and attachments. You have to read the email to see the size of the attachment and there is no size info in the list view. OK, so it's a GB, but it doesn't mean that you won't want to find email to delete after a year or so, especially with large attachments like spreadsheets or pdf's. Right now, I label all the large emails I receive with a 'big' tag so that I can easily find them later.

Re:My Biggest Problem (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348621)

ahh, I love my hotmail connectivity in entourage :-) 250 MBs means hat now I can use Hotmail as m main address and not worry about it.

First Post (please mod as offtopic) (-1, Offtopic)

wemgadge (774813) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348339)

yippee!

Im glad for one (4, Funny)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348346)

Am I one of the only people who would rather use hotmail anyway rather than gmail or spymac? gmail to me is a confusing interface and spymac is down half the time. hotmail is just simple and it works

well it works in that maybe I am used to all its quirks and how to log in perhaps compared to gmail. Many years of habit make light work as they say

Re:Im glad for one (1)

tmbg37 (694325) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348358)

Am I one of the only people who would rather use hotmail anyway rather than gmail or spymac?

Yes.

Re:Im glad for one (1)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348384)

hotmail is just simple and it works
please don't make it that obvious that you are on the MS payroll... There is nothing simple about hotmail! I would have to say 99% of people here would say the same statement about gmail, but certainly not hotmail!!
simple?? have you looked at the interface lately?!

Re:Im glad for one (5, Funny)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348387)

Are you still using Lotus 1-2-3, too?

Re:Im glad for one (2, Insightful)

shadowmas (697397) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348557)

the new hotmail interface is hardly simple. just goto the attachment screen it takes u a while to see that the ok button is above the browse for input box.

also it uses javascript links which mean u cant right click and select open in new tab/window. so u cant let each email load in the a seperate tab while ur reading one of them.

old hotmail interface was much better.

Re:Im glad for one (3, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348607)

Oh, c'mon, he's got a point. I like GMail a lot, but Hotmail it's "good enough" for 99% of users, even more if they boost the mailboxes to 250MB. There's a gazillon users of Hotmail thanks to the tie-in with MSN Messenger. And besides the "cool factor", what's the point of changing mails if Hotmail gives you a comparable mailbox size? (I know, but realistically, it's DAMN hard to fill 250MB of mail, never mind 1GB).

My quirks with Hotmail are others; namely, how it has become downhill since purchased by Microsoft (just compare the old interface) and it being a spam magnet like no other.

too little, too late (0, Flamebait)

MrRTFM (740877) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348349)

Gmail rules!

Go Google!!

Hotmail has been a complete pain in the ass for sucdh a long time - people losing their accounts and info if they didnt log in within 30 days - what a crock. I'll be glad when Hotmail dies

Re:too little, too late (2, Interesting)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348411)

but many people use outlook to access hotmail. So, hotmail still have its point, though I don't know how could hotmail make money by supporting outlook.

but if google make a browser and integrate the gmail into this browser, the story will be different. The gmail still could run as the way it is running and showing text ads. And people could use it as if it is a email client. So google will make money from gmail.

Re:too little, too late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348559)

Googlebar extension for Firefox has got links to GMail

They call it "httpmail". (1)

David M. Andersen (711958) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348595)

Yeah. It's called "httpmail" and uses WebDAV. More information can be found here [codeproject.com] and here [sourceforge.net] .

Maybe they'll add an extension for Mozilla/Thunderbird one of these days.

indeed? (5, Funny)

valkyriekl (788246) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348351)

I've had my hotmail account since way before it became MSN Hotmail, and I've had my 250mb since mid August. Which means...

MORE SPAM!! YEAH!!!

Mines a christmas 1999 one (1)

happyhippy (526970) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348354)

...and its still 2mb. Any news on the attachment sizes? 1mb is pretty crappy.

Mine is from 1998.. (1)

sridev (663490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348576)

.. and still 2 MB - and they count spam in the total size of your account!!

Only reason I still have it is because this was my first web e-mail account and too many people have the address.

Good to see GMail forcing others to upgrade :)

Who cares? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348357)

This will probably be modded troll, but I'm really asking myself, who on earth is using hotmail of all free mail services and why?

At least here in Germany there are several freemail providers that offer at least the same amount of MB and allow me to use pop3 and imap, so why should I care about Hotmail?

Re:Who cares? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348368)

Gee, I never would have guess you are from GERMANY. Let me guess you are working on KMAIL for KDE, it is going to be a piece of crap but you will still use it cause its not AMERICAN.

Not chronological (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348359)

I've got an account from 1998 that starts with a and hasn't been upgraded. So it's neither chronological nor alphabetical. It probably just depends on what server your data is stored on when they go to migrate a batch of accounts.

Re:Not chronological (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348509)

Mine either, and it was created in 1997...

Just another guess.... (1)

LordOfYourPants (145342) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348544)

Maybe it's based on the proportion of time that your account spends being near the 2MB mark compared to low volume users? The hope being that you'll get so tired of waiting that you'll bite the bullet and just buy a 2 gig account instead of waiting for the upgrade.

Again, just a guess...

Re:Not chronological (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348567)

Mine either, and it was created before the fall of the Berlin wall. Love, Anonymous Coward

Re:Not chronological (1)

dncsky1530 (711564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348547)

Back in 2000 MS started migrating [theregister.co.uk] the hotmail servers from freeBSD to windows. There had been previous delays in the migration so it could be possible that it depends on the server, of which MS had over 3500 to run hotmail.

But it shouldnt make much of a difference, I used to offer free email accounts to people on some domains and the account quota could be modified from a text field. But i doubt many people have any ideas on how hotmail is admined, it would be interesting to hear if anyone has any info.

Re:Not chronological (1)

RabidMonkey (30447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348602)

ditto here ... my accounts from back in the HoTMaiL days ... 1996 or so ... holy crap, I've had that account since grade 9. that'd be 1994/95 then I think.

man, I'm old.

My advice (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348361)

if you own GOOG you a f'ing idiot

Several weeks ago (1)

stripmarkup (629598) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348364)

I got my hotmail account in 1997, it was upgraded last month. I'd thought about giving it up several times but I can't because occasionally I receive email from friends I haven't seen in years. The main improvement is that now my inbox doesn't get full with spam and starts rejecting valid messages.

Last time I checked... (2)

Wilkshake (788751) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348366)

1GB is still bigger than 250mb.

Unless of course your living in a reality distortion field.

---

Thanks for pointing out the obvious... (5, Interesting)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348462)

Don't forget that there are millions of people out there that are either happy with their Hotmail accounts and/or who would be greatly inconvenienced by abandoning those accounts altogether.

I have both a Hotmail account and a Gmail one. My Hotmail one dates back to 1996 (maybe 1995), definitely before the date that the service was acquired by Microsoft.

My Gmail account is maybe six months old. Which do I prefer using? Well, for reasons other than the account size (ie, the superior filtering, the unlimited [accountname]+[anythingyouwanttoputhere]@gmail.com aliases, the searching, the labelling as opposed to foldering approach, etc) but there's no way in hell that I'm going to abandoning my Hotmail account anytime soon.

Why? Well an eight (nine?) year-old email address has been the primary method of email communication for friends, family and others that want to contact me. If I were to abandon that email address, even after notifying everyone that I could think of who would want to send me an email, then I'm sure that there would be some messages that wouldn't get to me as intended.

And even if I could guarantee that all personal communication would suddenly come to my Gmail account, I'd still keep the Hotmail one, if only for site registrations, etc, that one day might lead to spam.

Does Hotmail compare well to Gmail? No. Is Microsoft increasing the size limit on Hotmail accounts a "me too" move? Yes. Does that mean that Hotmail is now redundant. No, not for me, not for millions of others.

Re:Thanks for pointing out the obvious... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348620)

Doesn't Hotmail let you forward your mail somewhere else? Couldn't you forward it to your Gmail account? Or is this a premium service?

Re:Last time I checked... (2)

Linux is shit (813965) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348487)

Yeah, but the main thing that hotmail has over gmail is that you can actually sign up for an account, which makes it 100% more usable.

THANK YOU GMAIL FANBOY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348496)

now please return to sticking your ipod in your asshole.

Re:Last time I checked... (1)

ggvaidya (747058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348611)

Actually, in the reality distortion field, you only get 15 megs [mac.com] .

Hotmail stil has some uses (5, Interesting)

NIK282000 (737852) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348367)

I use hotmail as moy spam collector, any time it says "Enter email" they get a hot mail and i keep my gmail squeeky clean. As for 250mb, i think M$ is just being cheap again, for a global monoply they have a pretty bad mail service.

Re:Hotmail stil has some uses (1)

ThisNukes4u (752508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348457)

I use my gmail for all the "Enter email" signups on websites, and all the spam goes right to the spam filter, so my real mail still stays squeaky clean.

Shout-out to all the spambots out there.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348467)

Squeaky clean, eh?

nik_roks_2004@gmail.com
nik_roks_2004@gmail.com
nik_roks_2004@gmail.com

Re:Hotmail stil has some uses (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348468)

You might want to be interested in services like Spamgourmet [spamgourmet.com] and Jetable [jetable.org] . Really helpful and even more comfortable than to log into hotmail just for some registration email.

email forwarder?? (1)

pdangel (812046) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348369)

Now if they could only join us in the 21st Century and add email forwarding.... ...then I could just check me gmail account and not have to worry about mail box size on Hotmail.

Re:email forwarder?? (1)

emil.ede (702024) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348482)

And microsoft would like to make it easier for you to switch to gmail because...?

more spam (2, Funny)

IAR80 (598046) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348370)

Swell! More spam can fit in.

Hotmail users need all that extra space... (2, Interesting)

MadMorf (118601) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348374)

...for the Spam.

Seriously, I had a Hotmail account, which I used for testing purposes only. Never, ever gave the address out for any reason, and that thing was inundated with crap every single day...

My theory is that MS sells the user list to spammers...

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (2, Informative)

signore pablo (544088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348424)

the spam filters work quite well actually. Go into your options (top right hand corner) click on mail, then junk email protection, then junk email filter and select "enhanced". This adds a junk mail folder and it works pretty well. Sometimes 1 message gets through to my inbox, but it works much better than on the low setting.

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348552)

Hotmail seems to have changed their spam filtering lately for the worse. It used to be that I would get perhaps one spam every day or two that wasn't caught by the filters. Now, I don't get any spam in my inbox, but there are false positives -- so I have to look through the junk mail folder for messages that I want. Sort of defeats the purpose of filtering in the first place, if I still have to read them.

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (2, Informative)

ch3ch2oh (768848) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348461)

> My theory is that MS sells the user list to spammers...

this is so preposteous it's amusing. complain all you want about MS business practices, but they are doing a lot to prevent spam, and will likely do more in the future. spam costs them a fortune - far more then they could ever make selling lists to people hawking V!AGr4

hotmail gets spam because it's home to so many addresses that generating messages to random names will get a lot of hits.

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (1)

LordOfYourPants (145342) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348565)

"spam costs them a fortune - far more then they could ever make selling lists to people hawking V!AGr4"

Of all the things I've ever expected to see on slashdot, my hotmail password wasn't one of them!

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (1)

Haydn Fenton (752330) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348561)

I've never had that problem, but then I haven't used hotmail recently, and when I used to, I signed up to lots of stuff so I wouldn't be able to tell anyway.
However, AOL is absolutely fucking terrible for this, ALL of my screennames (and therefore email addresses) have never been used, at all. I never use them since I have two websites of my own, gmail, and throw-away-emails/hotmail for anything I think will spam me.. anyway, ALL of these AOL emails (of which 2 are almost completely unguessable) frequently get all kinds of spam..

Yours, The anonymous coward to doesn't want to admit to using AOL.

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (1)

Haydn Fenton (752330) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348579)

Oh well.. so much for the anonyminity, forgot to hit the 'post anonymously' button. Fuck it... I use AOL, flame me.

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348592)

Haydn Fenton wrote... Yours, The anonymous coward to doesn't want to admit to using AOL.

Oops, look like you forgot to click the anonymous box :-)

Re:Hotmail users need all that extra space... (1)

pr0c (604875) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348568)

Over the years i've opened a few accounts with alternating letters and numbers just to get by a registration somewhere. Each of those accounts received spam in the first few days... Some of them I _never_ distirbuted at all..

How do you know? (1)

stephenMF (547151) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348379)

How do you know when your account was created? I'd like to find the date for mine.

Frames (5, Insightful)

signore pablo (544088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348380)

My biggest pet peave other than space with hotmail is the link system.. it opens new links in a new window but within another frame. It would be nice if there was an option in the settings to turn this "feature" off.

Re:Frames (3, Insightful)

Yewbert (708667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348499)

My biggest pet peave other than space with hotmail is the link system.. it opens new links in a new window but within another frame. It would be nice if there was an option in the settings to turn this "feature" off.

YES! Mod parent up! I can't tell you how many times I've had to take a long and circuitous route to get back to a directly linked page that, for example, requires cookies, 'cos it seems as if those framed pages of Hotmail's screw up cookie usage. (Or, maybe, data sent through the URL, or some other kinds of non-basic transactions, I dunno, . . .) One example, since I may not be describing it right: I have a 'wish list' of used CDs on file at Djangos.com. Djangos sends me an email when one arrives in stock, and I hit the link to buy it. When I get around to viewing my shopping cart and trying to pay, if I'm still in that *&$#^%$damn Hotmail-framed window, the transaction will fail every time. Highly annoying.

But, anyway, to get back a little closer to the topic at hand - my oldest Hotmail account (from way before MS bought 'em) got upgraded to 250MB in early August.

Re:Frames (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348626)

Opera and Firefox both have ways of 'maximizing' a frame so that it's no longer under Hotmail's evil influence. That's the first thing I do when going to an outside link, because even if it's not necessary, I still don't like having the stupid Hotmail banner on top of the pages.

Am I...? (1)

PhlegmMaster (596165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348381)

Am I the only one who still uses POP3 or IMAP?

On another note, can someone enlighten me as to why they are upgrading the accounts so slowly? Shouldn't it be a quick and easy scripted task (unless they're editing the records one at a time)?

Re:Am I...? (1)

MadMorf (118601) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348422)

On another note, can someone enlighten me as to why they are upgrading the accounts so slowly? Shouldn't it be a quick and easy scripted task (unless they're editing the records one at a time)?

If they were using Exchange, actually probably any email system, it's just a matter of changing the global quota settings...A 5 second job...

But, you've got to have the extra storage in place to handle the new demand...They're probably adding drives to the SAN...

Re:Am I...? (1)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348472)

The University I went to was moving away from POP3 and IMAP... by the time I graduated, incoming freshmen were instructed to use Webmail as their email client. The idea is that it's a consistent interface, doesn't require any configuration to use, and the security can be improved via SSL.

Since my business is web application development, I see a lot of the benefits. There have also been quite a few articles on Slashdot about web applications supplanting standalone versions...

Re:Am I...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348589)

uhhh... POP3S? IMAPS?

Re:Am I...? (5, Informative)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348493)

On another note, can someone enlighten me as to why they are upgrading the accounts so slowly? Shouldn't it be a quick and easy scripted task (unless they're editing the records one at a time)?

Well, I used to run this free email service [postmaster.co.uk] [1] so I have some insights here.

The service is database-backed, with a normal CGI/mod_perl front end, so you might think that all upgrades would be instantaneous, and for many types of upgrades this is indeed the case.

However, it's not always so straightforward. Firstly, you've got the issue of multiple webservers, which have to be upgraded essentially by hand, and that takes some time.

More seriously, you may need to run scripts to move data around. One example being we used to store the emails themselves in the SQL database, but we soon realised that was a stupid thing to do and we moved to a NFS/IMAP solution for the mail, with the metadata only stored in the database. Because of the sheer volume of data involved we had to migrate each account individually. The strategy we used was to store a "migrated" flag with the user, and when they logged in first time since migration started, we would migrate their email (the process took up to 60 seconds per user depending on the amount of mail they had). In addition, we had a background process running which migrated unmigrated accounts one at a time. The whole process took several weeks to complete.

Another massive migration for us was the original migration of the code from Lotus Notes (true!) to database + mod_perl. This was horrible because it took ages to export the mail from Notes, so we had to maintain essentially two separate systems with a common front end. The custom-designed Apache front end decided whether the user was on the "old" system or the "new" system and redirected requests accordingly. Yuck.

Now I understand that Hotmail isn't the best architected system in the world. Looking at the URLs, it seems to me that each person has a "home" server, and so it's quite possible that sysadmins are now patiently upgrading each server by hand, in the process increasing the storage for that group of users. I don't envy them.

Rich.

[1] Not anymore, so don't blame me for their current failings!

Do you have any idea... (1)

boffy_b (699458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348495)

...how much fish they have to feed each mnemonic [imdb.com] monkey to increase its capacity to 250MB.

I know this is /. but cut Microsoft some slack, people!

Re:Am I...? (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348502)

Yeah i use IMAP too, coz i have my cellphone, COmputer, Laptop, and mail2web accessing the same account, with folders and all.

Nothign beast pure IMAP for speed!

and if u need web access..Try Mail 2 Web (mail2web.com) to treat your POP3 and IMAP as a web account.

Re:Am I...? (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348588)

Nah, it's not just you. In fact, I use SMTP followed by either POP3 or IMAP depending on which computer I use. I use Yahoo though and their mail forwarding service.

How's that news? (0, Redundant)

arhar (773548) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348391)

I had my free account upgraded for about two months now.. but then again, I created my account in '97 so I guess they do go in chronological order.

Re:How's that news? (1)

MalaclypseTheYounger (726934) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348423)

I agree, I've had my hotmail account upped to 250MB at least a month ago, maybe closer to two. I also have had the account since the creation of the internet (thanks Al Gore!).

Of course, any news that has to do with Microsoft doing something well/nice/good takes a very long time to make it to this MS-Hater forum. (this will be proved by someone marking this post as flamebait or troll, wait and see!)

Spam filters filter hotmail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348394)

A group of students created a hotmail account so they could all use the same email for their project. When they tried to send reports to their professors, the mail didn't get through. Do you think they were the victim of the school's spam filter just because they were on hotmail?

Not soo fast..... (1)

Lord Haha (753617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348404)

I have a hotmail account from the same month, and it hasn't been updated yet....

I only keep it because I use msn messenger a fair amount (through trillian or gaim of course)

not sure what order they're doing it in (4, Informative)

drgroove (631550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348405)

My acct is from '97, and it's still @ 2MB... not sure if they're doing these chronologically, but that's just based on your acct being from '99 vs. mine from '97. Maybe they're going alphabetically? My acct starts w/ an 'f', what does your begin w/ ?

Still, regardless, I've already moved all of my contacts to GMail, and have basically stopped using my Hotmail acct; been planning on letting it die off before the end of the year, once i'm certain that all of my contacts are sending email to my GMail acct.

Re:not sure what order they're doing it in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348449)

I've got an account starting with 'sr' which hasn't been upgraded. Don't know when I got it, but probably 1997/98.

Re:not sure what order they're doing it in (1)

maximilln (654768) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348506)

My account was just upgraded today. I've had it since '96.

hotmail? (4, Interesting)

Coneasfast (690509) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348433)

who here really uses hotmail as their primary account? ever since MS took over they have been the worst email service ever. eg, when you click on a link, it opens with a hotmail frame.

my teacher used it to send homework to our class, it wouldn't work because it only allows a maximum of 1 mass mailings.

do people not know about other options such as yahoo? or do people don't care?

Re:hotmail? (1)

copperheadclgp (815709) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348473)

Ironic, since I just dumped Hotmail, which I had foolishly used as my primary address for everything from business to pleasure, for Yahoo. I had the pay option. They deleted my emails and flooded me with spam. SHould have done it years ago.

the geek factor (1)

PerlDudeXL (456021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348435)

I would have never considerd a webmail account for daily use, but with Gmail its something different.
I don't know why, but the recent pro/contra Gmail discussion appeared interesting and I wanted to give it a try.

Hotmail and most other webmail providers lack a "geek factor".

Email blocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348450)

What good is the extra space if they refuse to deliver messages?

I routinely have messages never get delivered because hotmail apparently thinks they are spam. Yet they also don't deliver them to the junk mail filter (despite the configuration option to support this).

And like gmail, they refuse to allow you to open messages in a new browser window. What the hell is up with that? I expect that kind of poor user interface from Hotmail, but what is gmail's problem? Don't they know that 'real users' use multiple windows?

All I use my Hotmail account for (1)

Dorsai65 (804760) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348451)

is as a 'spam magnet'. If an online form demands an email address, hotmail it is. I check once a week or so, mark everything as junk, and I'm done :-)

Chronological order?? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348455)

I've had my account since 1996 - it hasn't yet been upgraded so if the upgrades are occuring in chronological order, it's a chronology I'm not familiar with.

I love my Hotmail account... (0)

avalys (221114) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348460)

LinuxWorks@hotmail.com :)

Still at two megs, though. Not that I use it for anything anymore...

Re:I love my Hotmail account... (1)

Staos (700036) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348554)

Maybe MSN doesn't like your user name.

Nope (0, Redundant)

Viceice (462967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348521)

My account is from 1997, and it's still at 2mb. Maybe they are shifting based on server or disc array or something.

Not chronological (0, Redundant)

Sediyama (527384) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348522)

I have a Hotmail account since 1997 and my account still with only 2Mb of space.

And I won`t back to hotmail even if there is 10Gb of space, gmail r0x!

Insert Obligatory .... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348529)

Microsoft is evil! Blah blah blah.

Microsoft sending their own spam.... (1)

ActionJesus (803475) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348533)

I have a hotmail, yahoo and g-mail account. The yahoo account is my "primary" fake address, and gets a ton of spam, but most is filtered. The g-mail is new, and hasnt got any spam... yet. However, the hotmail one, which I hardly ever use, still gets spam in the main inbox.

The sender? MS. Every week they send me an email telling me how theyve "upgraded their fantastic service". I dont WANT these letters! I dont care! Its spam!

But of course, you cant block the sender... because its MS. And these are "important announcements". Shut up and just let me use my damn mail account. If not, im off to google.

Doesn't seem to be chronological (1)

thoolie (442789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348543)

My *still active* acount from 97 hasn't been upgraded yet. :-(

Not by date of creation (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348556)

I have a 1997 account and still have the 2MB. I don't think they're going by that. Besides, it probably goes by server.

Big Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348571)

My Big Problem with Hotmail back in the day was that I received numerous spams on the account almost immediately after creating it. This is without using the address at all yet. Even if that started by people trying random email addresses, it's still obviously a problem with Hotmail addresses.

A scarier problem is that the morning after I signed up for paying my credit card online I received my first "phishing" scam e-mail to the address I used when signing up. Makes you wonder who is intercepting those important and confidential communications.

I've had 250 for months now (1)

Jedbro (27646) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348584)

Wierd, my account dates back to 1995, and I got an e-mail about the storage about 3 months ago, and since then had 250megs.

Unfortunatly hotmail sucks, and is too slow.
O'well. Anyone want my account?

Quick Question (0)

c_spencer100 (714310) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348605)

If gmail hadn't been introduced, and yahoo hadn't gotten the increase in popularity (even more so than it already had) over the last year like it did, do you think MSN would have still done this ? And they wonder why we complain about monopolies so much...

But why hotmail or even spymac? (1, Insightful)

SySOvErRiDe (646513) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348606)

I stick with gmail because of what googling is good for, searching my messages. I've imported all of my messages from the past four years, and I've only filled up a mere 100mb. I plan to use gmail for a very very long time, and I expect google to last pretty much forever. The searching, hotmail doesn't offer that, and I don't think spymac offers that either. Also the ads, there's no small advertising that gets attached to the bottom of the emails like hotmail does it. And those worries about privacy, I trust google more that microsoft hotmail or some other obscure one like spymac.

Mine is bigger than yours!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10348612)

Mine is 1GB, yours is just 250mb!!

Gmail rules...

old news (1)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 9 years ago | (#10348625)

This happened months ago on my account. I shoulda took a picture of it and sent it in. I think they're upgrading in chronological order (I got mine way back in '97).

--Stephen
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