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OQO Price And Release Date Set

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the transflective-hifi-jumprope dept.

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captainJam writes "After more than 2 years of development, the OQO is finally set to be released in October for a price tag of $1899. Initially the unit will only be sold through OQO's website. Those grumbling about the price should take into consideration that the OQO is by far the smallest and lightest XP capable handtop with a touchscreen, slide-out keyboard and Transflective display."

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expose (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356398)

Captain Jam [slashdot.org]

Another one of /.'s favorite advertisers. Now we have another story plugging his crappie little site.

News for Nerds? Shills that matter.


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I guess someone has to pay the bills. Everyone absent-mindedly refreshing the homepage to get frist psot must not generate as much revenue as it used to.

Those grumbling about the price... are sane.

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Re:expose (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356497)

Kelly McNeill/oscast [slashdot.org] is even better at astroturfing.

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Re:expose (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356538)

You know, some of us actually left their parent's basement and need to make their own money, strange as it may seem to you.

Goddamn, you little fuck, you sound like a whining indian.

Re:expose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356569)

You know, some of us actually left their parent's basement and need to make their own money, strange as it may seem to you.

Fine, but keep it the fuck away from Slashdot. Go to ebay or buy a GoogleAd you fucking dumbass. This is a news site not fucking Amazon.

Re:expose (1)

0x0d0a (568518) | about 10 years ago | (#10357541)

You know, some of us actually left their parent's basement and need to make their own money, strange as it may seem to you.

I wonder what would have happened if someone like you had managed to make Steve Jobs ashamed enough not to start Apple Computer in his parents' garage.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356400)

first post motherfucker

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356433)

how about no, scott.

Mirror (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356401)

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Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356453)

can i have his ip address so i can nuke his service provider and rid the internet of him?

Re:Mirror (-1, Troll)

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but... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356402)

can it run linux?

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356419)

Exactly - I cant say I am in the slightest bit interested unless I have the choice of installing a decent operating system.

Re:but... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356508)

unless I have the choice of installing a decent operating system

You do: Windows XP. It's the best one out there.

Re:but... (4, Informative)

klausner (92204) | about 10 years ago | (#10356459)

YES. According to early reports it should be able to run anything that has been ported to a Transmeta processor. Like, oh, Linux.

Re:but... (1)

hopethishelps (782331) | about 10 years ago | (#10356990)

YES. According to early reports it should be able to run anything that has been ported to a Transmeta processor.

The processor is not the problem. Linux runs on many kinds of processor. The devices are the problem. Are there drivers for all the devices?

It's clear that the machine is a hostile environment for Linux - there are only 2 mouse buttons. Made for MSFT crap. Nothing to see here, move on.

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356473)

can it run linux?

More than likely it can. Whether it will be practical or not... Um... Well, YMMV.

I had been waiting for this, but since I got tired of waiting, I recently got a regular laptop and installed Linux on it. On the bright side, I'll be able to wait for the price to come down, and the Linux developers to come up with a decent understanding of the hardware before I get my first one.

Re:but... (0, Troll)

Misinformed (741937) | about 10 years ago | (#10356566)

yes but don't use GNOME, a single icon would take up the entire screen

Re:but... (1)

Miffe (592354) | about 10 years ago | (#10356712)

I have never understanded that argument. The default KDE Panels and Icons are bigger than Gnome's. Except if Fedora.

Re:but... (0, Troll)

Misinformed (741937) | about 10 years ago | (#10357023)

Fuck you, you fucking fuck.

I think so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356593)

I think so,

As for the GPU:
http://www.siliconmotion.com/ch/sm722.htm

And transmeta cpu's are also supported by linux, if i recal correctly.

So i gues it should (in theory,) work with OSS products.

But i find the price tag a litle steep, halve the price and i wil be interested.

My input ;).

HALVE the price? (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | about 10 years ago | (#10357203)

It probably costs more than $950 just for the individual components. Be realistic.

Re:I think so... (3, Insightful)

dasmegabyte (267018) | about 10 years ago | (#10357391)

Of course the price is high, this is the first one. The first device of its kind, in its size, with its robust feature set. It's new, it's revolutionary and nobody has one. Some people will buy that kind of thing regardless of price -- developers will buy it to design software for it, rich technophiles will buy it just to have one and people who have been waiting for JUST such a device, saving their pennies, are waiting in the wings to buy one. I won't doubt if they're sold out for a year, even if the thing doesn't work! The first SLR digital cameras were like that -- they cost THOUSANDS of dollars and people would snatch them up left and right. Because a few thousand dollars was PEANUTS compared to the time saved by these things.

However, if the thing is even moderately popular, expect to see scads of poorly made clones some time next year, followed by the introduction of a new "entry level" model.

What? (2)

Anonymous Writer (746272) | about 10 years ago | (#10356413)

So soon?

i'd get that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356415)

...if i had money.

The size is nice, but (5, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 10 years ago | (#10356431)

Too bad it runs XP.

"Hey y'all, check out the 1900 bucks of spyware I gots!"

Re:The size is nice, but (5, Informative)

klausner (92204) | about 10 years ago | (#10356476)

According to this article [linuxdevices.com] , an OQO VP says the unit "will run whatever OS would run on a PC, so yeah, Linux should run just fine."

Re:The size is nice, but (1)

dspisak (257340) | about 10 years ago | (#10356615)

When I ran into Jory Bell earlier this year at CES he said that some folks had Linux running on their OQO's. The screen and keyboard on that device is really what makes the magic happen in my opinion as they make for good input devices in that small a constranied area.

Re:The size is nice, but (1)

multiplexo (27356) | about 10 years ago | (#10357226)

Yes, but you'll have 1900 dollars worth of attractively packaged and extremely portable spyware!

Re:The size is nice, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357497)

"Too bad it runs XP."Hey y'all, check out the 1900 bucks of spyware I gots!""

Yeh y'all, check out the 1900 games I can run!

Who cares about the price (4, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 10 years ago | (#10356436)

People who use this will have it bought for them by their companies, anyway.

Re:Who cares about the price (2, Insightful)

Saint Stephen (19450) | about 10 years ago | (#10357105)

Spoken as a guy deeply in his companies back pocket.
Don't rely so much on your company. The world is going outsource, open-source, individual.

Linux potential (2, Interesting)

PuppiesOnAcid (792320) | about 10 years ago | (#10356448)

I think devices like these have the most potential for the public using Linux. Each one has virtually the same hardware, so there would be no discrepencies with drivers. Appears to be an all around handy little box, and the price is fairly reasonable in my opinion.

Dubious Honor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356449)

Great, so it's the smallest computer that runs XP. Whoo freakin' hoo.

How will they market that? "It fits in the palm of your hand but still runs all the latest worms, spyware and browser exploits! For only $1899!"

I for one.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356452)

I, for one, welcome our smallest and lightest overlords yet.

[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (5, Insightful)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 10 years ago | (#10356461)

[Sarcasm]Gee whiz for only 1899USD you get a unreadable screen, with an underpowered CPU, too small harddisk, and battery life that does not exceed many lightweight notebooks![/Sarcasm]

On a serious note, what I do not understand about these companies, like the Tablet PC companies is that these devices are ideal complementary devices. Price the device at less than 1K and people will buy these devices. Price them near 2K and they will be niche devices that people will look at, comment as interesting, and move on.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (3, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | about 10 years ago | (#10356548)

I thought it was obvious that they were aiming for corporate executives, not /. geeks.

If you're making a a few hundred thousand bucks a year, an OQO is cheap. Hell, people spend six hundred bucks on a graphics card - is it really THAT crazy to see them spend a couple grand on a new super-small computer?

Dynamism hasn't gone out of business, you know?

-Erwos

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 10 years ago | (#10356873)

Sure you will sell SOME, but the question is if you can make a business of it. I find it interesting how you are making the comparison, "If you're making a few hundred thousand bucks a year an OQO is cheap". These days there are not that MANY people making that kind of money, or at least those that have that kind of disposable income. These days people actually have budgets and have to account their monies spent.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (2, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | about 10 years ago | (#10356549)

On a serious note, what I do not understand about these companies, like the Tablet PC companies is that these devices are ideal complementary devices. Price the device at less than 1K and people will buy these devices. Price them near 2K and they will be niche devices that people will look at, comment as interesting, and move on.

I agree - few people are going to interested in such a device as their primary computing device - it just doesn't have the power, screen real estate, or usability (keyboards reamin about the best means for inputting textual data) of a lightweight laptop.

The advantages it offers are notable - its small, lightweight, and is fast and easy to use for small/quick tasks. It's those features that made palm pilots and the like popular. But those sorts of features make it ideal, as the previous poster said, as a secondary or complementary device - something you can have readily on hand for those moments when you don't need to do serious computing work (which tends to require screen size, processor power, and keyboard for input). As long as these devices are priced equivalently to lightweight laptops, they'll remain niche items.

The things that would bring these devices into the mainstream despite the cost are

(1) An effective input system - be that stunningly good handwriting recognition, quality subvocal speech recognition, or something we haven't thought of yet.

(2) A means to have the display size not bound by the immediate size of the device - be that through a projected display, a collapsible/foldable display or something else cunning.

Until those features are provided, it's an expensive toy.

Jedidiah.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 10 years ago | (#10356594)

The things that would bring these devices into the mainstream despite the cost are

What exactly is a mainstream use for these devices ?, why would everyone want one (even non geeks).

I think these are obviously speciality items, if need a small computer at your hand at any time then this is for you. But most people don't have any use for such a device.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (2, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | about 10 years ago | (#10357061)

What exactly is a mainstream use for these devices ?, why would everyone want one (even non geeks).

I think these are obviously speciality items, if need a small computer at your hand at any time then this is for you. But most people don't have any use for such a device.


I think that's extremely shortsighted. Being able to have a powerful versatile computer that had the features I mentioned (large screen size, and powerful input system) on hand at all times would become indespensible as software technology grew to meet it. Imagine being able to sit and watch a film on a decent sized screen wherever you are. Be able to video conference with friends anywhere any time. But it goes further if you get creative - imagine a restaurant offering a fully interactive menu with pictures, and ability to order throught he system, that you can pull up over the restaurants wifi network. Imagine having an extremely powerful notebook and calculator on hand at all times whenever you want to jot something down. Imagine having a wikipedia accessible anytime you want whenever you want to look something up. These are just whatever random ideas occurred to me quickly, many, many more are possible. The key is having a powerful enough system that it is worth having, and having the systems sufficnelt ubiquitous that you can readily assume that a lot of people will have one on hand.

Jedidiah.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | about 10 years ago | (#10356556)

Price the device at less than 1K and people will buy these devices. Price them near 2K and they will be niche devices that people will look at, comment as interesting, and move on.

Ever considered that, to design, develop, manufacture, market, sell and support these devices, you have to sell them for near 2K if you want to stay in business?

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 10 years ago | (#10356612)

I think the parent posters point is that if you cant design, develop, manufacture, market, sell and support at a more affordable price point then you will be just as likely to go out of business.

Why develop something no one wants ?

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

dspisak (257340) | about 10 years ago | (#10356761)

I think it's obvious people have wanted a small nearly full-functioned computer in this kind of form factor. It reminds me of the Psion 5 series, just smaller and updated for current tech. I mean, I would rather have something like this then have a PDA because then I would have access to a much larger library of software to run on it. But thats just me, I don't claim to be everyone.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

base3 (539820) | about 10 years ago | (#10356622)

Guess that it isn't a very good business plan if they won't sell at $2k, then, is it?

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

dspisak (257340) | about 10 years ago | (#10356720)

You obviously haven't held an OQO in your hand and used it. I have.

Yes the screen is small, but its got a better resolution then any PDA screen I have seen. The screen is transflective too and works well in sunlight. More then I can say for a LOT of the PDAs out there.

Underpowered CPU compared to what? Your O/C'ed desktop? Yeah, that would work really well for a PORTABLE device. Have fun carrying around your backpack full of lead-acid batteries to power your device.

20GB is too small only if you intend on loading it up with your entire MP3 collection. However 20GB is just fine for putting on a copy of Office, your entire Outlook PST and other apps and some e-books and some music. You're not going to play games on this so thats not something to worry about either.

As for the battery life, I'd like to see a lighteight notebook that fits in your pants pocket and has all the features of this device.

A tablet PC is not a complementary device. Its a freaking laptop. It does everything a regular laptop does and then a bit more. More people are buying laptops as their only computer today then they ever have been. While yes you could argue that a laptop doesnt provide the full performance experience of a desktop the percentage of that experience you get with laptops today is enough that most average users are more then happy with the laptop and could care less about owning a desktop.

As far as your comments to pricing goes, seriously do you have any idea how expensive it is to make a laptop? Yes there are some components that are modular and inexpensive to get but most things that go into a laptop cost much more because of their reduced size or their low power focus, or worse are custom desgined just for that laptop. The smaller you make something the more customized any piece of hardware going into it must be and therefore more expensive it will be.

Re:[Sarcasm]Only 1899[/Sarcasm] (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 10 years ago | (#10356909)

Nope have not held an OQO in my hand. In fact if I did I would say, "COOOL", then ask for the price, and promptly put the device down again. Regarding underpowered CPU. My PowerBook is actually very powerful, has lots of diskspace, REALLY long battery life, and if you get the 12" size is pretty darn small.

My point about the Tablet is that people who would want a tablet, do not just want the tablet. They will want the notebook first and tablet second. This is why essentially all Tablet makers switched to a rotating clam shell design. So by wanting the tablet second, it is a nice to have complementary device. More important are the notebook features.

Lets say that I like the OQO and want to buy one. Ok, here is my pricing. I do without a desktop and second notebook. The OQO is my only device. In that case at my desktop I will need an additional screen, keyboard, and mouse. Most likely also a secondary harddisk, and DVDROM/Writer. Add these things and you have another 1K added to the price tag.

Ok, lets say that OQO is not your primary device. Then you either need a desktop, or notebook. In that case you are probably looking at another 1K minimum.

In either scenario the OQO is a complementary device that is nice to have. If the OQO is a primary device then it is specific to a vertical market much like the UPS computer.

Looking at it from any perspective the OQO priced at 1899 USD is too expensive to be mainstream where a company can earn a half decent living.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356464)

This smells like nothing more than a press release. *yawn*

Seven word review: (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356470)

Hardware: Tiny delight.
Operating System: Utter shite.

Re:Seven word review: (2, Informative)

Erwos (553607) | about 10 years ago | (#10356631)

I see you've never actually tried running Linux on a real slate-style tablet. I have.

XP Tablet Edition is much, much better than Linux if you're actually trying to be productive with the thing. I know that's a minor heresy to admit on /., but the current Linux handwriting recognition (Xscribble being the best I've seen) software just doesn't compare in accuracy or ease of use. xvkbd fills some of the gaps, but you aren't going to write essays with it.

If you want to run Linux for Free software reasons on it, I can respect that. But, really, Linux simply isn't there yet on tablets. It's a bitch to set up, and you'll be cursing at the handwriting recognition the whole time.

Trust me, as crappy as XP is, it's the right choice for one of those.

-Erwos

looking for the specs (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | about 10 years ago | (#10356483)

I'm at the site now, but it seems slashdotted. I want the specs, particularly the screen resolution. (I'm wondering what the screen res is for this "smallest handtop device", particularly since it can run XP and XP made a lot of VGA monitors obsolete when it insisted on greater than VGA as it's lowest supported resolution.)

Re:looking for the specs (2, Interesting)

frovingslosh (582462) | about 10 years ago | (#10356504)

Answering my own question, I found a working link. But the screen resolution is 800x480, when my copy of XP tells me that it needs at a minimum 800x600. Something sure as hell stinks! Is this little outfit getting a special build of XP (seems unlikely)? Why does the retail, full price version of XP insist on a minimum 800x600 display if XP can really run on less (obviously it can, there is no reason an OS needs a larger display, but it really stinks if MS put a limitation in the retail version that obsoleetes your hardware that they will wave for certain OEMs.)

Re:looking for the specs (1)

Erwos (553607) | about 10 years ago | (#10356526)

"Is this little outfit getting a special build of XP (seems unlikely)?"

Does "Tablet Edition" count as a special build?

-Erwos

Re:looking for the specs (1)

typhoonius (611834) | about 10 years ago | (#10356643)

Windows can run at a hell of a lot of weird resolutions [toastytech.com] that are simply hidden from the Display control pannel applet. It'd get ridiculous if they crammed in every video mode your graphics card is capable of, so obviously, you have to draw the line somewhere. Many of the dialogue boxes, toolbars, and so forth in XP are huge compared to their Windows 95 counterparts. 640x480 is damn near unusable in Windows 2000, and I'd assume XP isn't much different.

Re:looking for the specs (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | about 10 years ago | (#10356660)

Windows XP can run on 640x480; it's just hidden by default because they don't want you to. (And you really shouldn't either, because it won't be pleasant.) It is still accessible with List All Modes (Advanced > Adapter). That said, the other poster has mentioned Tablet Edition.

Re:looking for the specs (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | about 10 years ago | (#10356876)

And you really shouldn't either, because it won't be pleasant

What you "should" do is highly dependent on the application. As a general desktop this might be true, although I doubt that there is any reason I can't use a display at 640x480 under WinXP that was quite suitable at 640x480 under Win 3.1 (heck, XP even has more colors, so the display will look better, not worse. But that asside, there are many times when the computer isn't a desktop computer, it's away in a corner somewhere as a server, or is running some dedicated application where 640x480 would be just fine. Yet I had been lead to believe that I could not even install WinXP unless it had at least an 800x600 monitor (and maybe I can't since I would need to get it installed before I could get at these advanced adapter settings). What a disservice to the paying customer, just because some Microsoft geek has unlimited resources and a fancy 23 inch monitor.

Re:looking for the specs (1)

AsmordeanX (615669) | about 10 years ago | (#10356888)

Using Powerstrip you can force XP to run even at 320x200, although it is basically impossible to use.

Re:looking for the specs (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356510)

From http://www.oqo.com/hardware/specs/ [oqo.com] :

* 1GHz Transmeta processor
* 20GB hard drive (shock-mounted)
* 256MB DDR RAM
* Dimensions: 4.9" x 3.4" x .9"
* Weight: 14 ozs
* 800 x 480 W-VGA 5" transflective display (indoor/outdoor readable)
* 3D accelerated graphics with 8mb video RAM
* QWERTY thumb keyboard with mouse buttons and TrackStik®
* 802.11b wireless
* Bluetooth® wireless
* 4-pin FireWire® (1394)
* USB 1.1
* 3.5mm stereo headphone jack
* Microphone
* Digital pen
* Removable lithium polymer battery
* Battery life up to three hours, depending on usage
* OQO docking cable includes:
o 3D accelerated 1280 x 1024 VGA video output
o Additional USB
o Additional FireWire (1394)
o Ethernet
o DC power
o Audio out

additional features

* Active hard drive protection that safely parks hard drive heads upon detecting freefall
* Screen that slides on rack and pinion mechanism to reveal thumb keyboard
* Shift, control, function and alt keys that have smart-lock with LED indicators
* Thumbwheel allows for traditional scrolling as well as enhanced features
* Ambient light sensor that automatically adjusts backlight to appropriate level
* External antenna connector for 802.11b (in addition to built-in diversity antennas)

included accessories

* Power cord & AC adaptor
* Docking cable
* Desktop stand
* Digital pen
* Carrying sleeve

Active hard drive protection that safely parks... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357075)

> * Active hard drive protection that safely parks hard drive heads upon detecting freefall

*That* is freaking cool. The longer the fall, the more time it has to react, and the bigger the mess that it just avoided. There have been times that I've experienced that slow-motion "aww crap, this is gonna be expensive" feeling, and finally someone builds hardware that can protect itself in these case. Very nice.

Overpriced? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356488)

For that price, I can get like 20 junk computers and build a Beowulf cluster. I don't see the point in this.

Re:Overpriced? (3, Funny)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | about 10 years ago | (#10356517)

Can you fit a Beowulf cluster in your pocket?

Re:Overpriced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356617)

Yes.

Re:Overpriced? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356858)

...or are you just pleased to see me?

The O-- what ? (4, Funny)

clarkie.mg (216696) | about 10 years ago | (#10356498)

The OGO [engadget.com] , the OJO [engadget.com] , the OKO [engadget.com] and the OQO ...

OhGOd !

Re:The O-- what ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357492)

The OGO, the OJO, the OKO and the OQO ...

LOL! OQO?!

Touch screen doesn't cut it anymore (4, Interesting)

melted (227442) | about 10 years ago | (#10356507)

I can buy a mighty fine Tablet PC for less than that. Sure it will be a bit larger, but it has a _tablet_ behind the screen. I can actually write on the damn thing and it recognizes my chicken-scratch.

Re:Touch screen doesn't cut it anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356884)

I believe that the OQO has a genuine Wacom digitizer behind it's screen. So it CAN recognize your chicken scratch. I think the only reason they don't include WinXP Tablet Edition right on the OQO is that it doesn't actually meet Microsoft's tablet certification specs for screen and digitizer resolution. I have heard beta testers that verified WinXP Tablet Edition DOES work on the device...

Hmm (4, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | about 10 years ago | (#10356511)

Some intitial thoughts:
1. 256mb isn't terribly good. 512mb would be better. That said, it's _probably_ acceptable for the kind of usage they're talking about.
2. Who are they aiming this at? Photos seem to indicate business execs, which seems reasonable - they're the sort that actually use PDAs, and probably don't require huge amounts of multimedia power.
3. Docking _cable_? For nineteen hundred bucks, I expect to see an integrated docking bay, one with a slot that I can slide the OQO into. Specs mention some kind of desktop stand, but that sounds kinda cheesy, to be honest.
4. They need to make it a little more obvious that you're supposed to being using a Bluetooth cell phone with this thing for Internet access on the go.
5. Battery life seems like it's on the low side - 3 hours just isn't all that long anymore.
6. Security? If the corporate executive is using this thing, chances are he has some confidential info on it. An OQO seems easy to steal - is there any built-in encryption support?

So, cool idea, but a little too expensive. I could see this becoming something of a status symbol in the corporate world, though. "Think that's a PDA? Well, take a look at THIS!" Surprisingly, I think they've addressed their target market pretty well - replaces the Blackberry, PDA, and laptop.

-Erwos

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356673)

battery life of three hours is not bad considering what they fit into something that is not much bigger than an iPod, and does way more.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357196)

This thing is a heck of a lot bigger than an iPod. Like about 4x iPod's I think.

Re:Hmm (2, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 years ago | (#10356702)

then you could like the flybook [dialogue.com.tw] .

higher specs, more 'innovative', 3g, looks nicer to use.. and it's cheaper.

Re:Hmm (1)

ssimontis (739660) | about 10 years ago | (#10356796)

My ideas for a mobile device are probably quite a few years away, but I think these features would be really cool: 1. Hologrpahic Keyboard: This way you could get the full sized keyboard and have it anywhere you wanted. 2. Built In Projector: This way the mobile device would be great for on the go presentations, and the projector could also function as a larger screen. It doesn't need to be a state of the art $1000 projector, just one that can get maybe 15-20 inches so it can be like a normal computer. Not sure how this would work in the real world, but sounds cool in theory, at least to me.

Re:Hmm (1)

CommanderData (782739) | about 10 years ago | (#10356926)

Well, your "holographic" keyboard is basically a reality right now. Canesta [canesta.com] has developed the hardware to project a keyboard on a flat surface and detect when you press down on each key. It is compact enough to be built into existing PDAs. I really wish someone would put out a PC based handheld or PDA with that technology built in!

Re:Hmm (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 10 years ago | (#10356939)

3 hours run time is not too bad, compared to the nitwit magnets called Pentium 4 laptops, where 1 hour is considered good.

The specs are very good for a PC that is about the size of a pack of 3"x5" cards, just under 1" thick.

Re:Hmm (1)

jdkane (588293) | about 10 years ago | (#10356992)

OQO seems easy to steal - is there any built-in encryption support?

The Windows XP Professional OS supports encryption of data for users, however I believe OQO comes with XP Home Edition, and I'm not sure if the encryption feature is available there -- my memory seems to indicate it isn't, and I'm too lazy to look it up, so if somebody knows different, please reply. Thanks.

The price... (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | about 10 years ago | (#10357268)

... will descend after enough corporations splurge on this to recover OQO Inc.'s costs. Expect it to be $1600 by the middle of next year.

1899USD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356521)

werent these originally supposed to be priced at somewhere between $800-1200?

MS tax ? (3, Insightful)

InodoroPereyra (514794) | about 10 years ago | (#10356525)

This is a recurrent but valid question. From the preview [handtops.com] :
The OQO comes with XP Home, but on account of the companies large interest in marketing towards mobile professionals, XP Professional will most likely be an option as well. OQO CEO Jory Bell confirms that the x86 architecture is capable of being used with any x86 based OS, such as Linux.

Further talks have revealed that some OQO employees have already tested out Linux on the device with success.

It's all good. So, can I buy it with no OS, with the cost of windows XP deducted from the total price ? Or do I have to pay the MS tax, even if I don't plan on using Win XP on it?

Re:MS tax ? (1)

drigz (804660) | about 10 years ago | (#10356586)

As long as you don't agree to their EULA when you first boot it up, you can apply to MS for a refund. I saw a guide on what to do somewhere, I can't remember off the top of my head where though - try google.

Re:MS tax ? (2, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | about 10 years ago | (#10356598)

"As long as you don't agree to their EULA when you first boot it up, you can apply to MS for a refund. I saw a guide on what to do somewhere, I can't remember off the top of my head where though - try google."

Wrong. Microsoft's EULAs for Windows on OEM computers almost always direct you to go to the OEM for the refund. So, really, this is an issue to settle with OQO themselves.

Ask before you buy. And if you don't like their answer, don't buy.

-Erwos

Re:MS tax ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357485)

Even doing this does not save you much. It is usually about 30-50 dollars for each MS piece. OEM pricing is VERY nice from MS. If you think you are going to get 100+ from doing that think again.

These are really neat but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356528)

Were beta testing them at work and they are really neat. They are way overpriced considering thier limited use. Ours is missing the WI-FI and the touchscreen and if the battery is not improved its very weak. For the money I would just go buy a lightweight notebook.

Wikipedia stub (3, Informative)

antimatt (782015) | about 10 years ago | (#10356557)

The Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] needs some serious work. Calling all knowledgeable nerds.

Re:Wikipedia stub (1)

Querty (1128) | about 10 years ago | (#10356904)

Hmmm, seems pretty accurate to me. What do you consider missing?

Re:Wikipedia stub (1)

antimatt (782015) | about 10 years ago | (#10357025)

The article consists of four general sentences. Nothing is inaccurate as far as I can tell; it's just lean on details in a "where's the beef?" sort of way.

I myself don't have anything useful to add to the article. Hence the cry for help.

I heard it ships with Duke Nukem installed... (2, Funny)

mrklin (608689) | about 10 years ago | (#10356562)

Kills two vaporwares with one product release!

Why then did Sony killed U-50 and U-70 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356647)

This thing is DoA. Sony tried this concept already and failed; there is no market for this. PDA's are just as capable and 15% of the price. This is typical /. whiz-bang, gadget-hype for products w/o a future. See also: NeXT and Cray.

Re:Why then did Sony killed U-50 and U-70 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356760)

Almost, except that PDAs don't sell for shit either. All of this stuff is nothing but executive toys. They sell a few thousand units and that's it. It's pure niche toys.

Quite cool. (2, Insightful)

bbum (28021) | about 10 years ago | (#10356775)

I played with an OQO at Foo camp. It is the real deal.

The display is impressively clear in both low light and direct sunlight. As a whole, the produce is very well engineered and the UI felt relatively snappy.

It does run Linux and uses the same hard drive internally as an iPod. Battery life is fairly decent, given computing power, and the battery is designed such that you can upgrade to a higher capacity battery that is simply thicker than the original (making the entire unit thicker).

The screen is also touch sensitive and there is a stylus slot in the top of the unit. As such, one could definitely read email, browse the web, navigate meetings/schedules/calendars, and read documents without having to pop it open to use the keyboard.

The keyboard certainly does not have the feel of a full sized board, but is surprisingly usable for the size.

One of the neatest features is the "docking cable". Basically, OQO will provide a cable that has all of the various different ports -- usb, firewire, video, etc... -- hanging off of it.

The unit has a cradle that you can leave on your desk. It has VGA out. So, in combination with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and an external monitor, you can drop the OQO into the cradle and it "just works".

Certainly not a primary machine for gamers or developers, but a damned nice little device for folks that want a portable computing device that offers a more real computing experience than a palm device, blackberry, or the like.

this %is gOatsex (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10356874)

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zerg (1)

Lord Omlette (124579) | about 10 years ago | (#10356892)

Those grumbling about the price will get a laptop from Averatec for about half the price.

its nice to see,,, (1)

maxdamage (615250) | about 10 years ago | (#10357008)

some vaporware that may actualy materialize... it it too soon to call half-life 2 vaporware?

$1899!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357050)

That's 3-4 times what I would pay for one.

No offense, man (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | about 10 years ago | (#10357296)

But you're insane if you think just the COMPONENTS of this thing run the company $542 in cost.

What the hell is the matter with you? There are PDAs that cost $600 that aren't a quarter as capable as these things are.

Re:No offense, man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357340)

hehe, ever heard of the sharp zaurus??

That's great but... (1)

Rocky1138 (758394) | about 10 years ago | (#10357213)

... how does one put software on this device? There's no CD-ROM drive! I didn't see anything like that in the video, either. Any ideas?

transflective backlight (1)

LordMyren (15499) | about 10 years ago | (#10357310)

whats the deal with them having an adjustable backlight on a transflective display?

i thought most transflective displays had no backlight.

you Fail DIt (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357348)

Wash off handns Recent Sys Admin 'first post' (7000+1400+700)*4

I'm torn, because it doesn't stand a chance... (1)

Dzimas (547818) | about 10 years ago | (#10357472)

Lets be realistic. This thing is really cool, and I'd love to have one. But I'm not about to shell out $1900 on it. I suspect most others will react the same way, with a "cool, but..." response. It begs the question: "DIDN'T ANYONE DO ANY MARKET RESEARCH ON PRICE POINT?" I suspect that it wouldn't be terribly positive. Now, if the price was $999 things might be different. It might become my favourite travelling toy. As it is, I'd rather have a Blackberry or Palm for those times I leave my real machine behind.

How much does OQO pay for 'news' ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10357476)

Mandrake community 10.1 torrent is out for non-club members. No mention of that though. But hey, a vapor company has vapor product available "some time soon" !

Watch out! (1)

paronomasia5 (567302) | about 10 years ago | (#10357484)

I almost placed an order with these guys 2 years ago!!! I was a huge transmetta buff and wanted a small laptop. They wanted to happily take my deposit, and ship me the unit when it came out in the fall of 2002! Anyways, I didn't bite.

anyways 2 years later, they are still claiming to have a unit "coming out in the fall".

If you want a tiny palmtop pc, check out the sony u-series, available in japan, or via dynamism.com importers.

The latest of the incredibly popular U-series, the 1.2 pound Sony Vaio U70/U50 is the lightest PC on the market. Among its many features: multiple quick-launch buttons on its glowing panel, transflective touchscreen TFT and fin-shaped stylus, pointing stick, scrolling control, external foldable keyboard, corded remote control, 1ghz processor, 20gb HDD, Windows XP, and much mor

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