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CS: Source Half-Life's Only Multiplayer

Zonk posted about 10 years ago | from the back-to-black-mesa dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 216

James DeSimas writes "Halflife2.net was able to get an exclusive interview with Chuck Osborn from PCGamer. In the interview he found out that Counter-Strike: Source is indeed the only Multiplayer for Half-Life 2." This comes on the heels of the news that PC Gamer will feature a special HL2 Review in its upcoming issue. Full Steam and Retail packaging details about the game are also available from many sources today as well.

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slashdot is getting more and more shitty (-1, Troll)

jms258 (569015) | about 10 years ago | (#10384666)

slashdot is worthless. i just posted a huge commentary on religion, science, superstition, and the fallacies that we hold true in the modern world, and this whacked out mark-ass webpage didn't even post it after i clicked submit. someone fix this shit.

Re:slashdot is getting more and more shitty (0, Troll)

jms258 (569015) | about 10 years ago | (#10384793)

yeah, good ... mod me as a troll. as though the event that prompted me to write the first post didn't actually happen... if your web site can't store data reliably or even just simply POST that same data, then it is not doing what it is supposed to do, and, therefore, is shitty.

Re:slashdot is getting more and more shitty (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384966)

Maybe if you didn't try posting retarded irrelevant tripe it would have accepted it, you big fucking baby.

Re:slashdot is getting more and more shitty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385122)

take your tripe to kuroshin

This game will be a revolutionary FPS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384671)

First Post Slashdotter

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384682)

First Post Troll! Whee! I so Rule!

Re:FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385256)

dude, you suck ass

What? No crowbar headcrushing? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384687)

No crowbar headcrushing in multiplayer?
That is no fun at all!

--

Knut Karlsen, norway

Re:What? No crowbar headcrushing? (1)

Mikmorg (624030) | about 10 years ago | (#10385254)

I agree to this in so many ways it hurts. I occasionally go back to HL Deathmatch just for nostalgic reasons, but contrary to modern belief, I think its a great game. Down with reality RPGs! Go back to shooting pixels as-big-as-your-head :) I think Sierra really messed up not creating a successor. Thats why I ask, who will be the first to mod Counter-Strike: Source to play Half-Life Deathmatch? :) I'll play it, for sure. Let me know when it happens, I'll go buy those products then.

CS Source (4, Informative)

mfh (56) | about 10 years ago | (#10384689)

Halflife2.net was able to get an exclusive interview with Chuck Osborn from PCGamer

So what happens when a journalist interviews a journalist anyway? That's not good journalism, IMHO.

FTA:

* Standard Edition - includes HL2 and CS:Source. Ships on six CDs, in one of three box-art packages (Gordon, Alyx or the G-Man).
* Collector's Edition - includes Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source, a Half-Life 2 T-shirt and a Prima book sampler. Ships on a single DVD.


First I would like to say that Vivendi Universal has pulled crap in the past [slashdot.org] related to shipping and hr practices, and other crap [slashdot.org] , and other crap [slashdot.org] , and that means it's an unstable publisher in my books.

We're not sure if Steam will have HL2 or not. It's up to Vivendi last I checked. We're not sure if CS Source will be considered part of the Vivendi distro or not either. Speculation upon speculation at this point, IMHO. Note that this was a PC Gamer guy who was interviewed by some other guy

Re:CS Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384764)

Of course, hlfallout.net and csnation.net have actually posted an email from Gabe Newall confirming. Not so much speculation as fact.
Presumably Vivendi has no control over CS, since it wouldn't have been part of Valve's origianl contract. By releasing CS:S early, they put pressure on VU not to delay the release of HL2.

Re:CS Source (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 10 years ago | (#10384900)

Of course there's still the possibility that someone hacked Newell's account after guessing the name of his SO...

Re:CS Source (5, Informative)

NotAnotherReboot (262125) | about 10 years ago | (#10384777)

It's not up to Vivendi to decide if Half-Life 2 will be on Steam.

Their current contract with Valve states that Valve has online distribution rights; the only catch is that Valve has to wait until it is available from Vivendi. Vivendi has up to 6 months to ship the game after Valve has supplied it to them. So, they can decide when it comes out on Steam (by delaying it themselves, which would be stupid considering how big holiday sales are).

What do you mean we're not sure if CS:Source will be part of the Vivendi distro? You just pasted the part about the two in-box versions including CS:Source.

How is this speculation? Gabe Newell from Valve delivered these details himself.

The PC Gamer guy didn't say anything earth-shattering, by the way; I don't even see why we're discussing his interview. The retail/Steam details are what are interesting.

Re:CS Source (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 10 years ago | (#10384823)

If it's not too expensive chalk me up for the Collector's Edition. I don't care for all the extra junk, but I don't want to handle 6 CDs to install one game. On another thought maybe I should just wait half a year, the game itself doesn't interest me and that short after launch there'll be no mods yet (made the same mistake with Doom 3).

Re:CS Source (1)

fireduck (197000) | about 10 years ago | (#10384868)

standard edition: what exactly do they put on 6 cds?

you've got an engine CD, a content cd and a content cd for CS:S. what do you need the other 3 cds for? the gold steam package looks like it might require a few more CDs (day of defeat, HL1, all HL mods), but most of that stuff doesn't seem to be in the retail box.

Re:CS Source (2, Insightful)

the unbeliever (201915) | about 10 years ago | (#10385385)

Doom 3 is three cd's, and the final product is approximately 1.5-2gb of disk space. One assumes six cd's are engine, content, content, content and more content.

Maybe the sixth disc contains magical pixie dust that makes your computer able to run it all.

Re:CS Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384902)

We can counter-strike this situation with a little source... if i were to code new levels alone it would take half my life but if a few of us put steam into it; we'd be free,man to make any scenarios we want.

Re:CS Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385239)

Good one d00d!

Re:CS Source (5, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 10 years ago | (#10384956)

They're not really journalists, they're salesmen. Which is worse journalism, salesmen interviewing salesmen, but better marketing.

Re:CS Source (2, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | about 10 years ago | (#10384994)

While you wait to see how major publishers will jerk you around next, games for linux [linuxgames.com] keep getting better [happypenguin.org] and better [wesnoth.org] !

Re:CS Source (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 10 years ago | (#10385127)

While you wait to see how major publishers will jerk you around next, games for linux keep getting better and better!

Gimme a call when happypenguin isn't full of clones and remakes. Or at least one example of blatant copyright infringement [happypenguin.org] . Not saying there aren't any good Linux games, but if what you link to is any indication, there's a long way to go compared to the major publishers.

CS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384691)

CS sourse is the only reason to buy Half Life, does this mean no mods?

Re:CS (1)

Jacer (574383) | about 10 years ago | (#10385102)

That's very opinionated. The single player for half-life was revolutionary, and the single player for half-life 2 will more than likely be good in its own right.

Doesn't bother me (1, Flamebait)

NoInfo (247461) | about 10 years ago | (#10384694)

I, for one, don't get much enjoyment head-shotting AI, anyway.

Re:Doesn't bother me (1)

Zardoz44 (687730) | about 10 years ago | (#10384858)

The only multiplayer. Not only multiplayer. This means no HL2 DM, assuming the source is valid.

Though I thought there was mention of moving all the offical mods from HL1 to Source, just for something to do. This would mean TF-source, DoD-Source, etc...

A Great Shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384696)

Having even basic multiplayer (HL DM, Team DM) would give mod-makers a head-start in developing more complex multiplayer mods, so saying that mod-makers can add in HL DM is really no excuse.

Disappointed... (2, Interesting)

SnowDeath (157414) | about 10 years ago | (#10384708)

I am incredibly disappointed that it seems there will be now regular HL2 Deathmatch. I played CS from beta 2 until the present, but I have gotten extremely fed up with CS and want plain, vanilla HL2 DM again...no waiting until your idiot teammate wearning the "myg0t" tag dies as he is the only one left alive on your team...

Of course, I will be buying the Steam Gold pachage b/c I am a fanboy ;)

Re:Disappointed... (1)

SnowDeath (157414) | about 10 years ago | (#10384733)

Preview would have been good...mispelled "no" as "now"...

That is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384717)

..until someone makes a mod addressing this. Why again is this front page news?

tf2 (0)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | about 10 years ago | (#10384738)

half-life 2 will (hopefully) feature TF2, CS sucks badly!

Re:tf2 (2, Informative)

JimmehAH (817552) | about 10 years ago | (#10384794)

Team Fortress 2 will be a separate game. It will not be included with the game (did you read the summary?) - you'll have to buy it separately. Team Fortress Classic will be ported to the new engine as a free mod though, I imagine.

Re:tf2 (1)

dknj (441802) | about 10 years ago | (#10384952)

I think we need to bring back Mega TF :)

-dk

Re:tf2 (1)

|<amikaze (155975) | about 10 years ago | (#10385091)


I second that motion! Man, was that awesome!

Re:tf2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385024)

I read the article, but saw no mention of TF2. That said, any idea when TF2 is coming out? I loved TFC (hate CS).

Re:tf2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384813)

half-life 2 will (hopefully) feature TF2, CS sucks badly!

I hear ya brother.

What an empty review... (4, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | about 10 years ago | (#10384739)

The entire interview can be summed up as saying HL2 is really cool and that Counter Strike Source is the only multiplayer... though I'm sure we'll see other mods in time.
That being said, this interview basically told me not to get too excited about HL2. I'm a huge fan of HL and its mods, but I get bored quickly with single player games... I want multiplayer. AI in games can only go so far. I'm also not a big fan of counter strike. I prefer DoD and Natural Selection (some others are okay once in a while). So, no rush for me to buy HL2 when it comes out.

Re:What an empty review... (5, Funny)

witcomb (636938) | about 10 years ago | (#10384874)

"AI in games can only go so far" Yes, but intelligence in multiplayer doesn't go much further.

Re:What an empty review... (1)

gregduffy (766013) | about 10 years ago | (#10384940)

I'll agree that it is an empty review ... but why is there this reigning idea that AI can only go so far?

I'm fairly confident that, like any other developing technology, it will come of age.

The problem is that (AFAIK) there isn't as much research going on in game AI as there is in other types of AI -- for instance, the numerical analysis and forecasting work I do at my university.

Maybe they can tie it into the concept of military training to justify the work ...

Re:What an empty review... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385075)

>I'm a huge fan of HL and its mods, but I get bored
>quickly with single player games... I want
>multiplayer.

*I DON'T*.

Fuck 'em if they're not willing to cater to the single player market. They can look at their balance sheet for that quarter and see the money that isn't there because I didn't purchase their product.

Big Whoop! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384765)

They've delayed this game way too many times to the point that I've pretty much lost interest in it.

Maybe when it hit's the bargain bins.....

Re:Big Whoop! (1)

Aheinz1 (532062) | about 10 years ago | (#10384887)

They've delayed it exactly once. Sure, once may be "way too many times." If you rule out any game that gets delayed once, though, you're pretty much going to be limited to Mahjong 2004: EXTREME EDITION and Arcade Classics 26. ;)

Re:Big Whoop! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384928)

Exactly once in the last two months. At least 6 times since it was annmounced.

Re:Big Whoop! (1)

Aheinz1 (532062) | about 10 years ago | (#10384973)

The only official date Valve ever gave was Sept. 30th of 2003. Everything else was speculation done by third parties about offhand and unofficial comments made by members of the dev team.

Re:Big Whoop! (1)

Jearil (154455) | about 10 years ago | (#10385381)

Doom 3 was never delayed. Every date ever announced other than the final one was mere speculation on the game industry.

This is why it's sometimes good to have a date set to "When it's done." and stick with it... Never give a real date unless you can meet it (hense the joke of Duke Nukem Forever)

Re:Big Whoop! (1)

FiReaNGeL (312636) | about 10 years ago | (#10384977)

Big news for you, it won't hit the bargain bins for a long time. Considering the original Half-life sold at full price for what... 4-5 years?

Re:Big Whoop! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385163)

Not big news at all. If you look again, you might notice I said *maybe*.

Besides, they'll be used copies available soon enough.

Steam purchase offers more (4, Informative)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | about 10 years ago | (#10384768)

As the Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] folks point out:

  • Basic Steam purchase is $5 cheaper than retail
  • There are more goodies in the Steam packaging
  • Though HL2 can't be played until the retail version comes out, multiplayer can be played sooner.

I know this is basically redundant whinging... (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 10 years ago | (#10384772)

Even though no one else has said this yet in this thread, because someone says this in basically every story like this - whatever happened to co-op modes?. Hardly any games have co-op any more, which I find to be the most enjoyable type of multiplayer first person shooting. Ever since playing through doom 2 in co-op I've been hooked yet no one seems to want to make games with this feature any more - they want us to fight each other instead of teaming up :P

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (3, Interesting)

AceCaseOR (594637) | about 10 years ago | (#10384835)

I don't remember if Halo PC had co-op (I didn't buy it, since my computer couldn't run it), but Halo for the X-Box did, and the game was only beatable at it's highest difficulty on Co-Op anyway.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | about 10 years ago | (#10384913)

Halo PC didn't allow co-op. I wish it had, because that was one of the most fun co-op games I've ever played.

Personally, I'm sick of deathmatch style games... so I prefer playing Counter-strike and DoD on teams like Humans vs. Bots.

DM style means that 1) you can play anyone and not really care or have a disadvantage if you don't know them and 2) you can keep playing without ever feeling satisfied because you beat the game. So you keep playing...and playing...and playing.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 10 years ago | (#10385275)

but Halo for the X-Box did, and the game was only beatable at it's highest difficulty on Co-Op anyway.

What? Legendary 'impossible'?

I've completed most of Halo PC in Legendary (excluding the Library, of course) and while it's horribly difficult, it's actually a brilliant challenge, and great fun. And I'm a pretty terrible player, too. :-)

A lot of people whinge about single-player games, but I usually prefer them - I'm pretty crap at multiplayer stuff, as there's always that perfect-shot teenager with nanosecond reflexes waiting to kill me time after time.

With decent AI in a single-player game, I find it much fairer to play against as the monsters tend not to leap around in some highly unrealistic manner, spouting off obscenities, and I usually have a moment to think tactically...

Thus, I'm really looking forwards to Half-Life 2 - it looks like it has way better AI than a lot of other recent releases. Yes, the game's development has had some almost farcical problems, but it looks like it's all coming together. I don't mind about the delays, as long as it's worth playing in the end.

multiplayer handicapping (slightly off-topic) (1)

Thuktun (221615) | about 10 years ago | (#10385500)

A lot of people whinge about single-player games, but I usually prefer them - I'm pretty crap at multiplayer stuff, as there's always that perfect-shot teenager with nanosecond reflexes waiting to kill me time after time.

Many "real" games have the concept of handicaps to level the playing field for players. ISTR Q3A has some kind of handicapping capability but I haven't ever seen anyone actually use it. Do other games have that concept and actually use it? (Beyond the handicapping of the game itself via difficulty levels, of course.)

You'd think obscenely good players wouldn't mind using that, since it would provide more of a challenge and extra things to boast about.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (2, Insightful)

SnowDeath (157414) | about 10 years ago | (#10384869)

HL2 will have COOP eventually...SVEN COOP 2

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384890)

There's always Sven Coop - their mod has support for all of hl in coop mode, as well as a bucketload of other custom maps.

they've mentioned plans on having an hl2 version as well

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384964)

Hello :)

Commando from Sven Co-op here, we will be making Sven Co-op II for HL2 to fufill your co-op needs.

Where developers fail to deliver modders will provide ;)

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

Japong (793982) | about 10 years ago | (#10385066)

Bless you guys - did you happen to get copies early, or will you only get to start once HL2 goes retail?

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

GarfBond (565331) | about 10 years ago | (#10384982)

Rumor has it that Sven co-op (the people that brought you co-op mode for HL1) will be working on an HL2 mod.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (2, Informative)

hollismb (817357) | about 10 years ago | (#10385170)

Well, at least on the Xbox, you've got Halo/Halo 2, and The Rainbow Six and Ghost Recons if you want co-op.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

FortranDragon (98478) | about 10 years ago | (#10385421)

If you want coop try Serious Sam [serioussam.com] , First and Second Encounters. It's a fun shooter in the original Doom mode: lots of enemies and fast paced.

Re:I know this is basically redundant whinging... (1)

los furtive (232491) | about 10 years ago | (#10385526)

The Serious Sam series has co-op mode, and is always a fav at our lan parties. I'd love to hear of others.

ATI (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384787)

So, have they decided yet which package we who went out and bought Radeons a year or two ago will get?

Re:ATI (1)

TelJanin (784836) | about 10 years ago | (#10385152)

People who have that special offer (like me) can download every Valve game from Steam as part of the deal. So, I'm guessing that you'll be downloading the final game.

Re:ATI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385215)

You're going to get dick-up-the-ass. And you're going to like it.

They will give the weakest version possible, and nothing more. Look who's involved... Vivendi. They'll fuck you over big time. It's their style.

Re:ATI (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 10 years ago | (#10385304)

I'm guessing we get bronze. I only really like the single-player stuff, so that's ok by me. Counterstrike fans are gonna be bummed tho I think.

Re:ATI (4, Funny)

gosand (234100) | about 10 years ago | (#10385322)

So, have they decided yet which package we who went out and bought Radeons a year or two ago will get?


That would be the "Unobtanium" version.

Only Multiplayer? (0)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 10 years ago | (#10384839)

Valve didn't really have any multi-player in HL either. CS/TFC/DoD were all 3rd party mods which got popular and Valve made them 'official' mods or whatever you want to call them. I'm sure there will be 101 Multi-Player mods out there. Not to mention SvenCoop2 :)

Re:Only Multiplayer? (1)

Zakabog (603757) | about 10 years ago | (#10384934)

Valve didn't really have any multi-player in HL? What about the multi-player everyone played before mods came out, you know the Half-Life mutliplayer that is part of half-life? I played that all the time, I loved killing people with the cross bow.

Re:Only Multiplayer? (1)

fireduck (197000) | about 10 years ago | (#10384944)

TFC was actually a first-party mod that Valve released in an apology to the fans who bought the game in anticipation of Half-Life: Fortress. just about everything else, though, was third party.

and the game did ship with vanilla deathmatch. which was decent fun but nothing to write home about.

Re:Only Multiplayer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10384970)

thats. stupid.
i was in a HL1 DM clan before the SDK was even released. mods werent even possible back then.

Re:Only Multiplayer? (1)

Derang() (318404) | about 10 years ago | (#10385033)

TFC was not a 3rd party mod. It was created by valve as a platform to test a lot of the stuff that was going to go into Team Fortress 2 (such as the netcode). Obviously TFC isn't really a testing platform anymore for TF2, but that was its original intent.

Re:Only Multiplayer? (2, Funny)

DigitalRaptor (815681) | about 10 years ago | (#10385045)

Maybe you had a different version of the game than I did.

In MY Half Life I could run the game, click multiplayer, and kill people in the HL game, in HL maps, with HL weapons, and HL skins.

What were you playing?

Re:Only Multiplayer? (4, Informative)

JavaLord (680960) | about 10 years ago | (#10385060)

Valve didn't really have any multi-player in HL either

How does this stuff get modded up? The original Half life *DID* ship with multiplayer deathmatch. [gamefaqs.com] and it was pretty fun too.

Re:Only Multiplayer? (1)

Dock (89815) | about 10 years ago | (#10385169)

If by "3rd party mods" you mean Valve hiring John Cook and Robin Walker of TFS (TeamFortress Software), and having them (as well as other employees I'm sure) create TFC to be published by Valve...

...well 'nuff said.

Wonderful (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | about 10 years ago | (#10384860)

What about those of us who don't like CS? Single player better rock and the mod community work hard and fast or this is going to be a wasted purchase...

I love half life and all of it's add ons but cutting out multiplayer in exchange for a mod is just lame. Why not make multiplayer then release Source as a official mod like TFC?

PC Gamer is pretty much 'free' advertising (4, Insightful)

quantax (12175) | about 10 years ago | (#10384875)

People should take not that PC gamer is essentially a marketing tool to get gamers to buy the games that gives 'exclusives' to the mag. Expecting an honest assessment of HL2 or really any game from this would be rather naive. Driv3r comes to mind as a fine example of 'exclusive' reporting at work in the game review business, where certain publishers/reviewers somehow overlooked the many and obvious bugs in the game and still talked about it in a rather positive manner.
Doom3 as well is a good example of this; nearly every single reviewer (both mags and sites) for the first few weeks acted as if this game was in fact the second coming of christ. While Doom3 was very well executed and obviously had amazing graphics, I am unsure how people felt so positively about a game that really got drudgerous after the 7th lab that you had to transverse to reach hell. And then you just go back to the labs after you reach hell for more hallway adventure. For all the amazingness of the engine, I was hoping for more variety in the environments, which with the exception of hell and outside on mars, there was very little that changed.

These rags are definitely not the place to get a real opinion on a game; their real value is for the screenshots they release as part of the exclusive. Otherwise, it is often difficult to tell the reviews from the advertisements themselves that share the pages.

Re:PC Gamer is pretty much 'free' advertising (2, Interesting)

Japong (793982) | about 10 years ago | (#10385207)

I would disagree with your post - although I'm having difficulty understanding "People should take not that PC gamer is essentially a marketing tool to get gamers to buy the games that gives 'exclusives' to the mag."

As a long time reader of PC gamer (since the 4th issue of the magazine, which is now on to issue 129) AND a reader of CGW, IGN and Gamespot, their scores don't deviate all that much from one another or from Game Rankings. Every once in a while you will get an anomaly, but that can be chalked up to their being very different reviewers with different tastes for different games. Many PC Gamer "cover Games" have sucked, see the South Park issue (February 1998) and then watch as it gets slammed with a below 50% score. Same goes for well-hyped games like Soldner, which recieved great press up until the review copy, which stank.

Sure, triple-A, big-budget titles will usually turn out to gain high scoring reviews, but that's a benefit of having a high budget and superstar developers, like Blizzard - they get hyped because they put out good games, not the other way around.

modding tools (3, Insightful)

caramelcarrot (778148) | about 10 years ago | (#10384885)

If this is the case, I am interested as to what multiplayer code they will provide in the SDK. They will have to provide a basic DM system for people to build on, or will they just give the counter-strike code?

It's rather odd.

Steam packages, but how much??? (5, Interesting)

Zed2K (313037) | about 10 years ago | (#10384907)

Steam Packages

* Bronze -- HL2* and CS:Source.
* Silver -- HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*, Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on Steam.
* Gold -- HL2*, Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 1: Source*, Day of Defeat: Source*, Valve's back catalog currently available on Steam, Complete Strategy Guide from Prima Games, 3 different Half-Life 2 posters, Half-Life 2 hat, Half-Life 2 postcard, Half-Life 2 stickers, Half-Life 2 Soundtrack CD, Chance to win a trip to Valve! (1 trip offered for every 5000 Gold packages purchased).

*To be made available upon product's release.

Also what does "to be made available upon product's release" mean? Does that mean DoD source isn't done? Does that mean HL1: Source isn't done? So basically if you buy the gold package next week the only thing you'll get are stupid posters, strategy guid, hat, postcard, stickers, soundtrack and all the old valve games until the other games are actually finished which still noone has any idea as to when that will happen?

Re:Steam packages, but how much??? (3, Informative)

fresh27 (736896) | about 10 years ago | (#10384991)

HL2 and HL1: Source are not finished yet, and Valve must wait until Vivendi declares them gold. However, CS:S is basically finished, because it's been in beta so long and all it needs are the new maps. When HL2 is released in stores, HL2 and HL1: Source will be unlocked on Steam.

Also, DoD:S isn't done yet, and probably won't be done this year, but you will get it in the future when it comes out. Valve kept it out of the store boxes because they needed to give an extra incentive so more people will buy from Steam, bypassing the publisher and getting Valve more money. Also, the game isn't finished so it's not possible to put DoD:S in the box.

Re:Steam packages, but how much??? (1)

Zed2K (313037) | about 10 years ago | (#10385012)

So basically they are willing to start taking peoples money for HL2, but not actually deliver anything? CS:Source doesn't count. The thing is just a mod and I view it as free.

No thanks. They'll get my money but I'm not giving them a cent until the game is finished.

Re:Steam packages, but how much??? (1)

fresh27 (736896) | about 10 years ago | (#10385035)

It's just like a preorder. Have you ever preordered something before? You will get the game eventually, but the advantage of paying early is you get to play CS:S. Or, you could wait for the full game and just twiddle your thumbs.

Re:Steam packages, but how much??? (2, Insightful)

Zed2K (313037) | about 10 years ago | (#10385083)

Sure, but with preorders they don't charge you until they ship the product. Why should anyone give Valve $60-70 (or even 80?) bucks for a product that no one knows when they will even get it? For all we know the game could not come out for another 2-3 months. Yet Valve will get their huge flow of incoming money from people plopping down cash for a product that doesn't exist. With steam it is even more confusing. It has the ability to give it to the user instantly. So why bother preordering? Its not like they will run out of downloadable copies or something.

I could see preordering the box versions but looking at a digital distribution system taking preorders for something that can be d/l in an hour or so? Just seems really wierd to me, but based on Valves past it doesn't surprise me.

Maybe then need cash for their legal problems.

Re:Steam packages, but how much??? (1)

fresh27 (736896) | about 10 years ago | (#10385128)

So why bother preordering?

Because you get to play CS:S ;)

Natural Selection (2, Insightful)

dan_sdot (721837) | about 10 years ago | (#10384931)

Whats the word with Natural Selection [natural-selection.org] ? This has to be the best HL multiplayer mod there is. I would be thoroughly disappointed if this never came about.

Re:Natural Selection (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385307)

http://www.naturalselection.pexgames.com/games/hal flife/mods/naturalselection/specials/nemesiszero_1 /index.html.en [pexgames.com] and http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php? showtopic=81921 [natural-selection.org]

Basically wait and see - hopefully it will move across, they're pushing the HL1 engine right upto it's limits at the moment

Valve, Multiplayer, TFC and You (5, Insightful)

Japong (793982) | about 10 years ago | (#10385009)

I don't think anybody wants to compete with UT2004. No one, including Battlefield 1942, does it better right now. It's addictive, there's almost no learning curve, and even n00bs can have a good time and rack up high scores by playing support. Doom 3 only had basic deathmatch, Quake IV will be mainly single-player as well. It's not surprising Valve didn't want to go through the monumental investment of getting a good multiplayer option going when they already had CS.

I mean, there was Team Fortress 2, and it looks like a stillborn from here- there's been no real news on the game for at least two years, and almost all of the features intended for it have made their way into other realistic war themed shooters (parachuting into missions from planes, allies showing up as squad re-inforcements, voice chat).

Re:Valve, Multiplayer, TFC and You (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385405)

Quake IV will be mainly single-player

Do you have a reference for this? I was under the impression that Q4 would follow in the footsteps of Q3 and be mainly an online experience--basically the real Doom3 multiplayer.

What ever happened? (4, Funny)

shoptroll (544006) | about 10 years ago | (#10385069)

So what ever happened to Team Fortress 2?

CS Players (4, Informative)

Zorilla (791636) | about 10 years ago | (#10385073)

This shouldn't take as much of a surprise to the average Counterstrike player. I imagine the two most likely responses are:

CS Player #1: You could play deathmatch in Half-Life?

CS Player #2: I play this Counterstrike thing all the time, but what the heck is Half-Life? It didn't come on my Counterstrike CD I bought at CompUSA!

Re:CS Players (1)

Hanno (11981) | about 10 years ago | (#10385380)

CS Player #1: You could play deathmatch in Half-Life?

Actually, I was bored by Half-Life 1's deathmatch. Counterstrike is definitely the more interesting multiplayer game.

HL1:Source? (1)

ramunas (771197) | about 10 years ago | (#10385138)

Is it just me or are they actualy porting HL1 to source? In that case, I might just re-visit Black Mesa

Re:HL1:Source? (1)

zoobaby (583075) | about 10 years ago | (#10385175)

Yes they are porting HL1 to the Source engine.

No matter what it *ships* with (1)

Control-Z (321144) | about 10 years ago | (#10385145)


There will be mods. I know DOD will be out for HL2. I'm sure DM people will do a DM mod, and we'll see the usual Rocket Arena and Jailbreak.

Don't worry kids.

Dammit. (3, Insightful)

The Fanta Menace (607612) | about 10 years ago | (#10385186)

I really enjoy DM, but I've never understand what people see in Counterstrike. The games are always over too quickly, you seem to spend more time sitting around waiting for it to restart than actually getting out there and putting bullets in heads...

Re:Dammit. (1)

Zed2K (313037) | about 10 years ago | (#10385192)

Try Day of Defeat. You respawn after a certain time and its a lot more fun. But you die a lot more too.

Umm... No (4, Interesting)

illumina+us (615188) | about 10 years ago | (#10385193)

That's odd because in the stolen builds and in the "beta" there was HL2 DM Multi-Player.

So Doom3 has more new MP content then HL2...? (1)

kikensei (518689) | about 10 years ago | (#10385251)

At least id created 4 new MP maps etc, even if multiplayer is still buggy, and a Q3 rehash. Valve just "sourcified" a community mod's gameplay and map content with no, or little, new material. The dynamic duo certainly took a pass on multiplayer this generation.

What is Half-Life: Source ? (1)

boris_the_hacker (125310) | about 10 years ago | (#10385253)


Is it the original half-life game but using the source engine to run it rather than the original engine ?

Not what I hear... (2, Interesting)

jacksonj04 (800021) | about 10 years ago | (#10385328)

modDB [moddb.com] is saying that DoD will also be included on Steam. Yay/nays?
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