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ULB GNOME 2.8.0 Released

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the pretty-desktop dept.

SuSE 23

riggwelter writes "FootNotes reports the availability of GNOME 2.8.0 packages for SUSE Linux. For the first time, a new GNOME desktop release is available for SUSE within a couple of weeks of the source release."

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I might be trolling but... (2, Informative)

El Icaro (816679) | about 10 years ago | (#10385461)

Even though I started with suse I keep finding it more and more bloated (notice i'm not mentioning any desktop environments) no matter with what UI you use it. It also seems to move in the madrake direction. It is starting to use it's own personalized all-in-one configuration/setup utilities which lock out more "expert" user options. If I want to edit something in another distro I look for the file in /etc, here I have to look for diferent suse config files, and check to see why X option is greyed out in yast and then try to find documentation as to why it happens. I usually prefer enabling or disabling an option from the config file and look in the log, than just receive a "sorry, can't do that" answer (I'm a bit of a masochist ;)).

Re:I might be trolling but... (2, Insightful)

JabberWokky (19442) | about 10 years ago | (#10385785)

Yast reads and writes to files in /etc/sysconfig. The rc files all also read those same files. There are no "suse config" files, at least no more so than in any other *nix.

--
Evan

Re:I might be trolling but... (0, Troll)

El Icaro (816679) | about 10 years ago | (#10386136)

Whoops.. HA HA.. I never thought I could have been this stupid.. after instalation and after configuring stuff in yast I keep seeing lots of "writing suse something" lines (I'm on a windows box now proving what an idiot I am) so I just type in locate suse* and try to look for the files (tihs WAS a long time ago, it was my first distro, and after mandrake (5th) I tried it again).
But I still think it is bloated.
Now that I finally use my braincells after a long summertime hibernation, i'm thinking, couldn't those be the scripts yast was executing to apply the config changes?

:: Head explodes from thinking ::

Re:I might be trolling but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10392813)

exactly why i abandoned all rpm based distros...

try Slackware...

I might be trolling but... (-1, Troll)

nijk (781345) | about 10 years ago | (#10385485)

Whatever, fuck gnome

Re:I might be trolling but... (0, Troll)

cmad_x (723313) | about 10 years ago | (#10386112)

still better than KDE

Re:I might be trolling but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10387971)

But KDE still has a better sex life than you do.

And the reason... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10385552)

Novell?

Re:And the reason... (3, Interesting)

riggwelter (84180) | about 10 years ago | (#10386111)

Actually, no, ULB GNOME is a community provided effort, independent of SuSE/Novell

Re:And the reason... (1)

reallocate (142797) | about 10 years ago | (#10392809)

Actually, that "community" is one busy Brit named James Ogley.

Building for other distros using src rpms? (1)

Chilltowner (647305) | about 10 years ago | (#10386158)

Has anyone tried rebuilding the src rpms from here to get them to work for other rpm distros like the Redhats? Or is there another good source of src rpms to use? I used to get my RH 9 gnome rpms from Ximian, but they seem to have stopped updating for 9. Alas.

Re:Building for other distros using src rpms? (1)

El Icaro (816679) | about 10 years ago | (#10386245)

About this, but completely off topic (what a paradox, huh?), a linux newb (somewhat) has a question about rpms.

Is there a way of using other package systems with slackware? Like emerge from Gentoo for example.

Re:Building for other distros using src rpms? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10386432)

Huh? That isn't a question about rpms.

Re:Building for other distros using src rpms? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10386908)

There are a couple of other packaging systems for Slackware Linux like slapt-get and slackpkg. I am sure that there are others but these are the only two that I can remember right now. Don't worry about being off topic on Slashdot. 98% of the comments posted are off topic. The point here is a community that can hopefully at times provide some insight and help.

Slapt-get Homepage:
http://software.jaos.org/
slapt-get is an APT like system for Slackware package management. It allows one to search slackware mirrors and third party sources for packages, compare them with installed packages, install new packages, or upgrade all installed packages. Great for scripting as well.

Slackpkg Homepage: http://slackpkg.sourceforge.net/
Automated tool for management of Slackware Linux Packages. Slackpkg is a tool for installing or upgrading packages through network. You can make a minimal installation of Slackware Linux and after that install additional stuff from a Slackware mirror.

Does anyone else have any Slackware Linux package management options for El Icaro?

Re:Building for other distros using src rpms? (1)

codergeek42 (792304) | about 10 years ago | (#10387822)

I used to get my RH 9 gnome rpms from Ximian, but they seem to have stopped updating for 9. Alas.

FWIW, You might be able to continue getting them as backports from The Fedora Legacy Project [fedoralegacy.org]

Slackware. (1)

ftgow (791708) | about 10 years ago | (#10386835)

As a Slackware goon, I always wondered how newer versions of Gnome got to Slackware users. LinuxPackages.net, which is mainly for just slackware packages, doesnt seem to really have ever given updates to any of the stock gnome packages on the standard slackware distro. Slackware 10.1 will, of course feature gnome 2.8 (slackware 9.0 was 2.2 9.1 was 2.4, 10.0 was 2.6), but for those of us who think KDE licks balls, and gnome is more of an elegant, less bloated desktop environment, and run Slackware, what are our options? Is there a respistory I'm not familiar with? I doubt slackware.com's package browser would have that packages UNTIL 10.1 comes out, in which case I will upgrade anyways. (Word up) I would compile from source, but would probably fuck it up, but then again, if I format my partitions with every new OS upgrade, I might as well give it a shot. Any place that would have a howto, or list of instructions from building straight from the source off gnome.org?

Gentoo... (1)

codergeek42 (792304) | about 10 years ago | (#10388470)

has had it hardmasked in Portage since a week or two after its release. Too bad my computer is still compiling it ... ^_^

They've beat Slackware (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | about 10 years ago | (#10390700)

Beat them over the head with a stick.... C'mon, I don't want to end up compiling all of the packages just to find out that the official Slackware ones were posted the day after I finish compiling and installing.

Re:They've beat Slackware (1)

reallocate (142797) | about 10 years ago | (#10392799)

Dropline's release should be happening soon. It's put out two release candidates. Drop by the Dropline forums to see what's going on.

One issue for Slackware, and Dropline, is that some of the new goodies in Gnome 2.8 use hal and dbus, which require a 2.6 kernel. Slack runs fine with a 2,6 kernel, but ships with a 2.4 kernel.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Slackware move to Gnome 2.8, KDE 3.3 and a 2.6 kernel via a point release.

LIke It, With Quibbles (2, Interesting)

reallocate (142797) | about 10 years ago | (#10392849)

I installed it last night on SuSE 9.1 Pro. Appears to be very well done.

Quibbles: It doesn't include hal and dbus; OpenOffice won't launch ("...libvcl645li.so: undefined symbol: XineramaIsActive"); install instructions seem out of synch and in need of updating.

Re:LIke It, With Quibbles (1)

reallocate (142797) | about 10 years ago | (#10392877)

Just discovered that OpenOffice isn't part of ULB_Gnome. Must have been dragged in from one of the other sources in the suggested source.list.

Re:LIke It, With Quibbles (1)

Yusuf Smith (814758) | about 10 years ago | (#10402744)

I installed it last night on SuSE 9.1 Pro. Appears to be very well done.

You mean, it didn't mess up your Nautilus icons, leaving a blank-paper icon above everything?

Re:LIke It, With Quibbles (1)

reallocate (142797) | about 10 years ago | (#10402884)

Yes and no. I've now installed twice. The first install was over a complete 9.1 install. The desktop looked very good; one of the Smooth variations is the default theme. I added dbus and hal successfully, but broke things trying to install a volume manager that could. So, I re-installed a KDE-less SuSE and then reinstalled ULB. This time the root desktop was fine, but the user desktop was as you described: blank paper icons. Deleting every Gnome-related config file in my home directory didn't improve things. Eventually, I wiped that directory and recreated the user. That fixed the problem.

ULB seems much more responsive than the standard SuSE desktop, which is consistent with my experience comparing Gnome to KDE. The display quality is just about the best I've seen on my hardware.

ULB does not include dbus and hal, or, apparently, a volume manager compiled to use them. As a result, Gnome 2.8's automatic volume detection doesn't work. I.e., it doesn't detect a CD or know when an extracted tar file has created a new directory.

And, Cogley's directions for using apt seem out of synch with this release and its sources.list file. I had to go through multiple iterations of updating and upgrading on both installs.
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